I was an Evangelical Fundamentalist Christian for 30 year's and the doctrine of the trinity NEVER made sense to me...it's LUDICROUS. I love Tovias bible teachings... I guess I have to call myself a Noahchide.
Former Catholic here. I have read the Bible, Quran, Book of Mormon, some,not all Talmud, Gita, many Vedas, Buddhist writings, etc. Much truth in most of these. None have the complete truth. Humans are the apex of creation. We seek meaning. No religion can be proven true. Some can be proved false, sorry Mormons. All take faith. I can’t prove there is no god, but no one can prove there is a god. I don’t like any of god’s fan clubs. If god does exist, I have many questions and could never worship her based on the current state of humanity as well as the heinous things god did, or at least condoned.
@@mathgod The authenticity of Moses is based on the public revelation at Sinai: God revealed Himself to the entire nation of Israel, at least three million people, and proclaimed before them the Ten Commandments. The entire Jewish people personally experienced that revelation, each individual in effect becoming a prophet, and each one verifying the experience of the other. With their own eyes they saw, and with their own ears they heard, as the Divine voice spoke to them, and also they heard God saying, "Moses, Moses, go tell them the following ..." They did not receive the occurrence of that event and accept it as some claim or tradition of an individual, but they experienced it themselves. That public revelation, therefore, authenticated the bona fide status of Moses as a prophet of God, and the Divine origin of the instructions he recorded in the Torah. That, and that alone, is the criterion for the belief in, and acceptance of, Moses and his teachings.
No wonder you did not read about the Godhead. You believed in a word that was nowhere to be found in the bible - the trinity. God made man in his own image. Soul, body, and spirit. Father, Son, Holy Ghost. Lord Jesus Christ. Three parts not three separate persons.
@@mikemaid5350 I KNOW ALL of the Christian doctrines and belief systems which all evolved and stems from ancient Egyptian and Zoroastrian PAGANISM. Christianity is a PAGAN religion and a BLOOD SACRIFICE DEATH CULT. Your mythological godhead and trinity don’t exist…it’s ALL MYTHOLOGY. Do the REAL INTENSE RESEARCH about the history of Christianity and the New Testament and you’ll find the REAL TRUTH about Christianity…you HAVEN’T done the research…Jesus was not the son of a mystical god, there was NEVER such thing as a virgin birth or a resurrection…those are all PAGAN mythology belief’s…it’s all fictional stories and myths. Do the research and start studying ancient mythology and PAGAN religions and you’ll see that Christianity is the same thing. You should most likely get rid of your Christmas and Easter because those developed from PAGAN religions in which you know NOTHING about EVERYTHING I’ve mentioned because Christianity won’t reveal these truths because if they did it would be the TOTAL END of the fake Christian religion which would be the best thing that could ever happen. I was a Christian for over 30 years and then started seeing that the New Testament DIDN’T add up with all of it’s contradiction’s and lies. The gospels are a total mess and Christians don’t even know that Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John didn’t even write the gospel’s…they are all forgeries along with the rest of the New Testament. In fact NOBODY knows who wrote the 4 gospels. I recommend for starter’s that you watch the documentary ZEITGEIST right here on RU-vid and start reading mythology. The REAL JESUS was an Egyptian warrior…DO THE REAL RESEARCH AND WAKE UP.
I used to be a penecostal apostolic preacher. But I decided to not read the new testament for about a year and study only Torah to see if they line up. And the Torah absolutely teaches Christianity to be a man made religion. Praise be to Hashem! THE ONE AND ONLY GOD DEUTORONOMY 6:4
Unfortunately for you my friend you have to deal with the fact that still to this day no one has been able to disprove the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Therefore no Christianity isn’t a man made religion.
@@stevenirizarry9427 Using that logic, Christianity is just as believable as believing a giant pink unicorn will fly to earth one day. You can't say it's false because it didn't happen yet. Don't used unfalsafiable claims as proof, they're not.
@@mosherosenthal4321 a false claim? 😂 it’s a known fact Jesus Christ did exist now show me His body and you can prove Christianity wrong. Until then stop with your foolish comparisons of the Lord Jesus Christ to that of a unicorn.
Thankfully I've found this channel. I hold a lot of respect for this rabbi who is moderate , educated , fair and far from extremism. Always knew that the pagan Romans when they just transitioned from paganism to christianity imported along all those pagans ideas of god the father and god the son. Even the Christmas idea and timing was borrowed from ancient roman festival. Oh and I'm from Muslim background but been atheist most of my life.
@Iyas kelu Not as much as (your?) Christianity with its self-inflicted wound about Jesus Divinity that Jesus didn't even teach it during his time. That's why "mystery" always presented as an apology in Christianity. Christianity ia the biggest flaw in all of Abrahamic faiths.
@Iyas kelu Have you ever studied your New Testament? They couldn't even get the stories straight. You have 2 different birth narratives in Matthew and Luke having Jesus born at different times and 2 different resurrection narratives having Jesus first appearing to the disciples in different places.
@@davidjanbaz7728 Hmmmmmm, did you actually read segal's paper? The Jewish heretics promoting this concept were not even remotely mainstream. The old testament is pretty clear on the unity of God. Course the mental gymnastics of 4th century theologians to eliminate sectarian contradictions while satisfying the emporer's political needs, is self evident.
I’ve listened to this video NUMEROUS times. SO MUCH info, hard to absorb the first six times! Thank you, Tovia, for explaining the Greco Roman mentality, the early church fathers, and Scriptures. AWESOME VIDEO!!!!
As a former JW , one thing that was crystal clear , even from the Greek scriptures , was that fact that you had to perform mental gymnastics to make the trinity fit the narrative. There is even less solace to be found in the Hebrew scriptures for the trinitarian, if read with honesty ,the concept is absolutely crushed time and time again. Rabbi Singer is very articulate and learned in his dismantling of the myth.
@@howardrosen3736 Witnesses don't believe in the Trinity doctrine so he was already without it what he is lacking is the Christ and a true relationship with God because he has abandoned these things which brings nothing but Doom.
@@RedDwarfism no one in the bible believes in a trinity doctrine... no one ever gets one from reading the bible... it is an idea that developed out of ignorance and misunderstanding which went something like this: Jesus seems to be God, the father is definitely God and we can only believe in one God, so how do we make this work? and it took almost 300 years before Christians made up the fully excepted trinity of today, which by the way still has some variations that are considered heresies by other christian groups.
@@jiohdi Let me be clear here though the Bible itself rebukes the very idea of a Trinity doctrine and first Century Christians were much of the same mind as modern day Jehovah's witnesses when Rome introduced this doctrine those of this mind said no and were treated as Heretics by the church of Rome. They became scattered groups it wasn't until the Renaissance that a true reflection came more fully into the light one example being a man called Michael Servetus who was burned at the stake by Calvin for rejecting the false doctrine of the Trinity but rather than silence his message his death galvonised others it wasn't until the modern age that the congregations of old were restored.
I was baptized Catholic, growing up I used to defend the church from the Protestants. But I got some deep questions about my faith that seemed need a lot of deeper explanations. I was enlightened when every time I traced back Catholic practices to Judaism, but it was still lacking a deep connection. It was a question on the nature of angels that started my journey opening me up to the real beauty and splendour of Judaism. I am still learning so much about Judaism by listening on Rabbis in YT. I am just so fascinated every time with the depths of wisdom by authentic rabbis.
*Mark Babiuk:* Sounds like you're on the right track - may God continue to bless you as you seek out His Truth!! If you buy yourself a Tanach (Hebrew/English Bible, comprised of the Torah, the Prophets and the Writings, i.e. Psalms, Proverbs, etc.) you will see for yourself what God actually said to us on Mt. Sinai, as compared with the falsehoods preached by the grossly twisted, mistranslated Christian 'bible'. Rabbi Singer's 2-vol. set of books entitled "Let's Get Biblical - Why Judaism Doesn't Accept the Christian Messiah", would be a great help to you in helping you understand the vast differences between Judaism and Christianity, and why no Orthodox Jew will EVER accept "Jesus" as the Jewish Messiah.
@@criticalargument8667: Yes, the Torah is the "word of God", that was given to Moses on Mt. Sinai. "Science" is MAN-MADE, largely Godless discipline, therefore it carries NO weight in the Truth of God. That's not to say that Science has no value, because it certainly does - it's exploration of our world helps us to better understand how it works and actually shows us that everything that it explores didn't just suddenly 'appear out of thin air on its own', but, in fact, has a Creator. I don't know if you're a Christian or not, but the ENTIRE world (except maybe for Athiests, Buddhists, Wiccans, etc.) believes that God gave His instructions to Moses on Mt. Sinai, outlining how He expects us to live in His world and explains how we all got here. If you actually read the account of creation in the Bible it explains how we all got here - nothing else makes sense. You either choose to believe that there is a Creator who created our world, or you don't - but the evidence that this world has a Creator is OVERWHELMING because of the variety, complexity and minute detail in everything all around us. God cannot be 'proven' except in relation to what I said above, that the sheer complexity of our world confirms to those of us whose eyes are open, that there is a Creator, and we owe Him our allegiance, just by virtue of what we see in His creation.
@@criticalargument8667: That's your 'opinion', and the 'opinion' of Science - as I said, Science is irrelevant, concerning spiritual matters. "Science" has made statements about their findings about the physical world, and later retracted what they said because they found OTHER 'proof' that confirmed their first 'proof' was in error! So you can't rely on 'Science', if you can think for yourself - I don't mean NEVER rely on Science, but it needs to be taken with a grain of salt, as it were, and we need to use our common sense when listening to what they tell us. You either believe in a Creator of the universe and choose to see what's in the world around you, or you don't. YOU have to see it for yourself. Your 'opinion' on 'reason' is illogical - 'reason' brought us the philosophy of Hitler (may his name be cursed forever!!) and the Germans, who were oh-so-enlightened, but who stood by and did NOTHING while that filthy monster SLAUGHTERED over 6 MILLION innocent people - just because HE deemed them to be 'inferior' according to his own sick, demented standards!! So 'reason' is irrelevant! GOD, Creator of the universe, is the ONLY source of teaching for the way we are to treat our fellow human beings. That's what His Torah is all about - the whole reason He gave us His instructions on how we should live in His world! That people have chosen to ignore what He said, and depend on their own 'reason' and 'Science', is on humanity - NOT God! You have never actually STUDIED the original Jewish Hebrew scriptures that God gave to man, therefore of course you would see the Bible (Hebrew Bible!) as filled with confusion. It's really not - it only appears that way to the unlearned. That's why we need to learn from the Orthodox Jewish rabbis, who have been studying the original Hebrew of God's ETERNAL (i.e. STILL in effect today!) Torah since Mt. Sinai. God Himself told us to listen to the rabbis (who He tasked with teaching us His Torah), first of all, because they are the ONLY people eminently qualified to interpret the Hebrew scriptures for us, since they have been studying it since Mt. Sinai - and beyond that, if these rabbis teach us wrong teachings, they are directly responsible to God for what they have taught us, and will suffer the consequences when they stand before Him on Judgement Day. When God told us that His Torah is Eternal, that means that He ensured that He would protect its integrity down through the centuries - otherwise, there would be no point in His telling us His Torah is Eternal, and that it is to be followed forever.
@Philosophy and religion You are a complete Torah illiterate and yet you want to "Argue" about Scripture in Torah - lol??? What I don't understand is how someone so completely unqualified and illiterate in Hebrew Scripture, would be stupid enough to debate it with others? You strike me as a very ignorant clown.
Original Christianity came from ancient Judaism I would encourage you to read the Bible in the Christian manner but to reject the Doctrines and seek the answers that the church could not satisfactory answer be both brave and bold.
@Tenaktalk...I found this! Sorry for bugging you with my question on the other video! I just needed to scroll down in the comments. :) Thanks so much! You're always on top of everything. You work so hard, you guys are awesome! Love to you all from TN.~Chana
IF i GAVE TOVIA A DOLLAR FOR EVERYTIME i USED WHAT i LEARNED FROM TOVIA IN my DISCUSSIONS.... i WOULD BE BROKE AND TOVIA WOULD BE A TRILLIONAIRE... THANK YOU FOR BREAKING EVERYTHING DOWN IN LAYMANS TERMS.....
One would hope religious men do not keep the money donated to them and spend it for the common good. Not so for all those Baptist pastors who use religion as get rich schemes.
Thank you, Rabbi Singer, for all your videos and wise explanations. Most xtians have no understanding of the historical /spiritual (pagan) mindset of the known world at the time xtianity was founded. I'm glad you bring that out so clearly. I once read that a church in Rome has the god Mithras in the basement. ..said to be of virgin birth, visited by 3 kings with gifts, and having 12 disciples. Upstairs in the same church was JC on the cross, also said to be of virgin birth, visited by 3 kings bearing gifts, and followed by 12 disciples. Today's xtian populace is totally unknowingly following a pagan religion. I hope all your time and effort helps some of them realize this and go back to the teachings of Moses and the prophets.
@@thebunnisher there is not one thing that i don't research before it goes into my TRUTH files. the rabbi is not giving opinions he gives correct verses, history, and facts. ESTATIC if you find any verses that he used incorrect please post them for me. If you can't defend the christian stand, who are you. chpt and vrs,
Thank you for this fine analysis. I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school. They made an error though in Church History by teaching a real history not by your mentioned apologist "high school teacher". To this day, I don't know how he kept his job. Yet, the seeds of destruction for the concept of trinity were sown and I have studied the subject for many years hence. The Council of Nicaea was a critical junction where the slosh of Roman emperor worship and the god-of-the-day ran into the upstart Pauline version of Christianity. As you say, the Unitarians weren't there, maybe not invited to the party. So, what we got is a doubling down for century after century of a politically-motivated theology that doesn't really make sense. Heavy sigh.
I see the two who disagreed were ousted. I thought of the way Trump is treated. History repeats itself Love To Listen to you Tovia. You are a great teacher. Thank You, Shalom!
Alhamdulillah. We Muslims have you telling you for years that any form of Christianity is idol worshipper (except the Unitarian Christian). Glad you finally opened up your mind and find the truth.
My story is too long to comment in a text. I will say that born a Jew by blood and always drawn toward Judaism but raised a Christian and now 76 years old, I’ve come to a “crossroad” I’ve been studying Torah, listening to Rabbi Singer and Rabbi Alon Anava. At this point in my life I’m standing at a fork in the road and seeking the TRUTH WITH ALL MY HEART. This video by Rabbi Singer is more information I’ve heard this far. I SEE through this video (teaching) by Rabbi Singer that I have much to learn! Thank you, Rabbi Singer!
@OTO TAKE stop poisoning the well and using ad hominem attacks. Prove hes wrong by facts. Hes at least claiming facts. If they are wrong that's cool... but you haven't proved him wrong. You've only attacked his character and position.
@OTO TAKE as I've stated. He is at least claiming these facts. Where are your rebuttals? You just said the stuff hes spewing is wrong. That's poisoning the well. You also in other comments attacked his character. So please rebut
No the positive claim by you "his facts are fake" is for you to demonstrate. Not for me to prove are true. I'm not saying hes telling the truth. I'm saying when one makes a claim it is for them to back it up not for others to disprove. So he makes claims and backs them up with whatever he has. You CLAIM hes wrong but offer no proof. It is your job to prove him wrong when you claim hes wrong. Learn how argumentation works
@OTO TAKE you don't have time.... ya ok. What a great christian. "Guys I swear I have proof this Jew is lying and my non bias christian views and some facts I supposedly have, but I am too busy to show, prove him wrong and prove me the christian and jesus right but you gotta take it on faith and believe me...." that's basically what you're saying. Either put up or shut up and dont step up to knock others down if you dont have to goods to back up yourself. You'll get a beat down by facts logic reason and proper argumentation.
@OTO TAKE I never said jesus's divinity was voted on in 325. Never once. Stop placing others beliefs upon me. The trinity was invented by people. Look to eastern religion.
Very illuminating. The Niceean event shows what happens when you design a religion (or anything) by committee. Christianity is so doctrine-driven that it was inevitable there will always be hundreds of conflicting opinions/sects and , unfortunately, the self-designated orthodox in power would commit violence against 'heresies'.
"Christianity is God's way of bringing pagans to know Him as Father." Christianity is the pagan way of keep pagans away from the truth which is the oneness and infinity of god as proclaimed and testfied by the torah and the prophets.
Catholicism didn't exist back then. Tovia is wrong on so many things. Christianity was forbidden under Diokletian and Christians were persecuted. Constantin also wasn't a Christian back then, but Christianity was growing unstoppably and Constantin had to meet with the Christians in order to achieve stability in the empire. It was when Constantin won a war that he believed the Christian God helped him to win he became a Christian. But he also didn't make Christianity the one and only religion. That wasn't his intention. The trinity wasn't pushed by the empire, it was pushed by the Christians who read the Scriptures.
@@JonathanDeLeon-em4px The impaled nazarene death cult is misogynistic, murderous, and monstrous. I am a Celtic Pagan VVitch and there is no way I would follow this man made system of control. Get your facts straight, the real truth is far removed from what you try and pass as the truth. Ave Lucifer 🤘
Catholicism didn't exist back then. Tovia is wrong on so many things. Christianity was forbidden under Diokletian and Christians were persecuted. Constantin also wasn't a Christian back then, but Christianity was growing unstoppably and Constantin had to meet with the Christians in order to achieve stability in the empire. It was when Constantin won a war that he believed the Christian God helped him to win he became a Christian. But he also didn't make Christianity the one and only religion. That wasn't his intention. The trinity wasn't pushed by the empire, it was pushed by the Christians who read the Scriptures.
@@brilliantbeaches5389: So WHERE did "Catholicism" come from??!! The "Roman Catholic Church"??!! Could it be ROME??!! Although it may not have been called the "Catholic Church" - THAT'S where it came from - just what you read in your "NT"! Btw, Rabbi Singer has been studying Christianity IN DETAIL for 40+ YEARS, so he knows FAR more than any of your Pastors, Ministers, Popes, etc.! FAR MORE, since he has been studying the original, ETERNAL (i.e. STILL in effect and binding TODAY - a LIVING document!) Hebrew scriptures since childhood! Christianity REFUSED to learn the original Hebrew scriptures, leaving them in profound darkness as to what God ACTUALLY said to us - which resulted in the false, pagan, man-made religion of "Christianity" - ALL denominations! PLEASE buy Rabbi Singer's books, "Let's Get Biblical - Why Doesn't Judaism Accept the Christian Messiah", so you can see VAST differences between Judaism and Christianity, and why Christianity could not POSSIBLY have come from God. Also extremely helpful would be the Hebrew Bible (says "Stone Edition TANACH" on the cover), and Rabbi Stuart Federow's book "Judaism and Christianity - A Contrast". .
Muzaffar Khan Melchizedek Is without Father or Mother or genealogy; he has neither Beginning of Days Nor end of life Hebrew 7:3, the Author of Hebrew draws on Genesis 14:17--20, Jesus had a Mother, and presumably A Father, We are told that Jesus died on the Cross, Melchizedek Cannot die, Who is greater?
@@JonathanDeLeon-em4px: Please provide us with scripture where God told us to expect a SECOND set of scriptures (i.e. your false, pagan NT) AFTER Mt. Sinai (i.e. God's ETERNAL Hebrew Torah). We would be VERY interested in reading such a scripture!
@@janishart5128 "For the Law shall go forth from Zion and the Word of the Lord from Jerusalem;" Isaiah 2:3. Judaism was born at Mt Sinai but Christianity was born in Jerusalem and from there has spread throughout the world. Christianity is the Law of the Spirit which will replace the Law of Stone given at Mt Sinai.
@@JonathanDeLeon-em4px: Uhh, actually NO - that verse means no such thing!! It is speaking of God's ETERNAL Hebrew scriptures, which Christianity has REFUSED to learn, and they have therefore bastardized God's original meaning and created their OWN work of fiction NT, that did NOT come from God, and created their false, pagan, man-made religion Christianity! God told us that His Torah is ETERNAL, therefore it CANNOT be "replaced"! Absolutely NOTHING in God's ETERNAL Hebrew scriptures can possibly refer to ANYTHING in your false, pagan, man-made, anti-God, anti-Jewish, hate-filled, replacement theology work of fiction NT - NOTHING!! Your false, pagan, man-made NT did NOT come from God, Creator of the universe. When God gave us His Torah on Mt. Sinai, He told us it is ETERNAL (i.e. STILL in effect and binding today!) and that we are NOT to follow ANY other teaching than what is in His Torah. Christianity IS another teaching, therefore, we are NOT to follow it's false, pagan message - God's orders! PLEASE do some honest research on how your false, pagan religion started, and you WILL discover that it absolutely did NOT come from God, Creator of the universe - it just did NOT! Christianity preaches AGAINST what God actually said to us at Mt. Sinai, therefore it is absolutely NOT from God. It calls God's ETERNAL Torah a "curse" and tells everyone that we are no longer "under the Law", and sees it a "legalism" - this is NOT what God said to us! God's ETERNAL Laws are NOT "A CURSE"!! NOBODY has the authority to abrogate and call what God has told us is ETERNAL, "A CURSE" - NOBODY!! This is arrogant, self-righteous blasphemy! You have to ask yourself WHY you would no longer WANT to be under the Laws of our CREATOR - Who knows better how we should live than HE does??!! Christianity is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind, and they have been LYING to us for thousands of years. This is why you NEED to investigate for YOURSELF what it REALLY teaches, and HOW it started.
doctim111 Christianity that you see is primarily based on the teachings of Paul. Christianity has NOTHING to do with the primary teachings of Christ. They are two different religions even as per the NT.
@OTO TAKE The word : in the beginning...etc...etc... was not from Jesus, but from a man named Yohannes (not Yohannes ben Zabdi Jesus companion) Logos as a concept of God was written long before Gospel of John That was from Philo in Alexandria who wrotes that, beetween Jews Mystiscm-legend an Greek Philosophy And St.Agustine wrote that in *Conffesion of St.Agustine* below : "Book of the Platonists that had been translated out of Greek into Latin. In them 1 read, not indeed in these words but much the same thought, enforced by many varied argumenents that: In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God. All things ware made by him, and without him nothing was made ". So Christian nowadays was NEW FORM of Sinkretik Hellenism in my opinion. please do research yourself and find True Teaching of Jesus (peace be upon him). Shalom Aleichem
Growing up Christian for over 40 years I now find it absolutely amazing that we was always steered away from learning the original language or any other history and that we have been told since kids this is not something you can understand you just have to have "faith" that the Bible is accurate. And the only time I've ever known someone to say please don't research it just take my word for it, is usually someone misguiding you....
I've never seen someone speak so clearly on christianity and judiasm. I am an ex traditional catholic and I have studied much myself and studied many different works within the church(saints, popes, fathers, doctors, etc) and this man is very honest and very charismatic and well spoken. Thank you Tovia
@@harrykuffal6516: Islam is a man-made religion (although it's not pagan, like "Christianity", it preaches blasphemy) that absolutely DID NOT come from God! The ONLY scriptures ever given to mankind, are the ETERNAL (i.e. STILL in effect and binding TODAY - a LIVING document!) Hebrew scriptures given to Moses at Mt. Sinai. NO FURTHER SCRIPTURES were given to mankind after that time. .
@@Al-bq5yr: Islam (which did NOT come from God (Allah), btw!) preaches that the Tanach (God's ETERNAL words, given to us at Mt. Sinai) are CORRUPTED!! This is BLASPHEMY, and calls God a LIAR (God forbid!!) since, when He gave us those words at Mt. Sinai, He SPECIFICALLY told us that they are ETERNAL (i.e. STILL in effect and binding TODAY - a LIVING document!) and that we are NOT to follow ANY OTHER TEACHING than what is in those Hebrew scriptures! Islam IS another teaching, therefore, we are NOT to follow what it teaches - God's orders! Islam is not 'pagan', like Christianity is, however, and therefore Jews are PERMITTED to pray in a Mosque, but not in a Church. Islam needs to LEARN from the Rabbis, as commanded by God in Deut. 17:8-11, and get to know what God actually said to us at Mt. Sinai.
Greatest respect for the accurate knowledge conveyed here. That said two points to maybe make clear. The council of Nicea addressed the divinity of Jesus, it did not establish the Trinity, that was about 50 years later. The last thing dealt with at Nicea was Heretics, and how to banish them. This was eventually expanded to include death & led to the slaughter of countless millions in the following centuries. At first Gnostics & Unitarians, later Moslems & of course recently 6 million Jews. The greatest tragedy may have been against the native American Indians, estimates as high as 30 million dead. All this guilt on the hands of Orthodox Christians, can it not be said this religion has given God a bad'name?
Thank you, as always, Rabbi. As a Quranist Muslim our faiths share alot of common ground. Your videos are very helpful in explaining eloquently the proofs against the divinity of Jesus. Keep up the good work. Peace.
I am a Roman Catholic, yet an open minded one, to the point of exploring outside orthodoxy and other creeds. Jesus is a Jew who professed Judaism and who practiced everything Jewish in culture, and I am exploring this root, stripped of the lens of Orthodoxy. This is closer to home, closer to what Jesus could actually be before orthodox Christianity was even solidified. Thank you for your page and videos.
Thank you Rabbi Tovia Singer. We have many things in common, specially the love for the Book of Daniel, i find it special and it is so important in my life that i have tried to memorize Daniel's prayers and thoughts. In my opinion, a person that seeks for the Truth seeks for G-d even if it is even atheist sometimes even scientists; however, from my Catholic background, when i started reading scriptures especially the Old Testament, i found several conflicts between what it is considered the foundation of Christianism (Old Testament) and the Gospel itself! Putting all personal preferences to one religion or the other aside, how do you reconcile centuries of control in this age where everything can be proven wrong? What do you teach your children when they start repeating sentences or prayers that don't make sense at all? I've looked to other religions and in the end i truly respect the positiveness and drive that millions of Christians practice worldwide however i am truly respectful of the nature of G-d and how we can best serve Him. G-d Bless You
There is no Christian who will believe in the Doctrine of Trinity if they Knew History the Evolution of Trinity. Knowing this history truly obliterates Trinity
I am so happy to have come back to my Jewish faith. The Christians MUST call Jesus G-d because otherwise, they must reject Hashem's word saying there is no Savior except ME!
Arians were Trinitarians too. We now consider them non-Trinitarian because their idea of a Trinity doesn't fit the formal definition of equal and indivisible Trinity we have now, but the Arians weren't Unitarians and definitely had three persons in their godhead too. They also insisted on the full divinity of the Christ (Arian doctrine emphasized that the Son is God). "Orthodox" Trinitarians and Arians both trace back their understanding of the Trinity from Origen's theological model. Alexander and Arius' conflict wasn't over the existence of the Trinity; both believed in three persons in the Godhead. What they disagreed on was HOW the three persons of the Trinity related to each other, which resulted in differing Christologies. In Alexander's view, Jesus Christ is not a creation of God the Father but an emanation of God Himself. In Arius' view, Christ is also an emanation of God but the person Jesus is a creation of this emanation. This is why the final battle of the debate centered around the terms homoousion and homoiousion: Was Jesus Christ of the same or of similar nature to the godhead? Neither questioned the Christ's divinity. They just disagreed on Jesus' nature, whether he had been a created being or not. If Arianism had won out, we would now have a form of Trinity anyway, just slightly modified. Ironically, the same would have been true had Athanasius not been on the scene and only Alexander's unmodified view had come to define orthodoxy. BOTH Alexander's and Arius' positions have been rejected by the modern Church because they both relied on Origen's idea of emanations of God which is now considered heretical. This is largely thanks to Athanasius coming up with the notion that emanations imply hierarchy, which lowers the dignity of the Christ in the godhead, resulting in the creation of the doctrine of Homoousian Trinity we have today. This is the root of the modern Trinity becoming equal and indivisible. Alexander escaped the same condemnation leveled on Origen mostly because of his opposition to Arianism, not on the merit of his understanding of doctrine. Nicaea was a battle between Orthodox Trinitarianism and Arian Trinitarianism which resulted in the out-of-nowhere victory of Homoousian Trinitarianism, which rejected both.
Arians were already perverted by the belief in a literal preexisting Jesus. The first christians were simply believers in one God and one messiah next to Him. Church Fathers twisted the simple faith with paganism and greek philosophy.
@@bardowesselius4121 Exactly. There were many such groups early on like the Ebionites. Many of these were ethnic Jews and followed the Mosaic law meaning also no human sacrifice
Trinity is not about 3 different Gods. Is the only one God manifesting himself as he wants according his will. Example... God is spirit? He is in all sites at the same time? Well forget about Jesús for one moment. He showed to Abraham as a man, he eated Abraham food and Abraham cleaned his feet. And moses showed his back. God walked with Adam and Eve. Question was God only with Moses in Mt Sinai and not in the all universe? Or was with him and every where at the same time?
@@nehemiasservant9853 No dice... God is "Achad" 1 ,one and not a man a tree a star a frog etc.. This is clearly stated all throughout Torah and Tanakh . Pagan idolatry had triune god s born of virgins died for your sins to save the world common theme in achient world . No Calvary human sacrifice for sins allowed either in Torah. Sorry
Absolutely a genius who sticks to the facts even if it unfortunately goes against the grain of certain people's beliefs. It is not personal, it is business (Tony Soprano)
I bet there are A LOT of Southern Baptist Ministers who are getting a bit tired of certain members of their conregations(having viewed a few of your videos,) coming in and quoting you Rabbi...This is the first video where I even giggled a bit...cheers...rr Normandy
@@zerosumgame336 that's because they're not going by the Torah they going by the tulmud. And they all have something different you know I hate to say it in every religion they have corrupted scriptures
Another fantastic and factual discussion by Rabbi Singer. Thank you so much for the enlightenment you bring to your viewers. For anyone interested in finding out more about the evolution of Christological thought and debates/conflicts in the early church, you can read Bart Ehrman’s “How Jesus Became God.” This book presents a well-researched documentation of everything Rabbi Singer is talking about here, from theories about modalism, to adoption, to exaltation, to incarnation. The book culminates with the Council of Nicea and the fallout from that event. It’s not a huge book and is easy to understand.
The Romans catholic teachers mostly never wanted to Not know the Creator Heavenly Father' s truth nor know Him deeply,but mostly only wanted ppl to believe their own ideas. HEAVENLY Creator Father awakened us in His own Truth after reading Tanach . Even our very 1st American president wanted American government to know His truth, but instead they created laws of abortion, since was opposit of what our main God's truth.
Exodus 12 verse 2; Isaiah chapter 12 verse 2; Isaiah chapter 43 verses 10 to 12; Acts chapter 4 verse 12. Lord Jesus Christ is Y H W H, one only one God and Father of all who is above all through all and in you all. There is no other God and Saviour.
Jesus is the Word, is your word from another entity? Neither is God's Word separate from himself yet God's Word is what created what we see, just read Genesis! God Spoke (which in case you need an explanation is God's Word) Every time God Spoke His Word Created something. First it was Light, then it separated the waters, created vegetation, etc.. The New Testament declares Jesus is that Word from the birth of Jesus! Mary was over shadowed by the Power of the Most High, that power is God's Word and in Philipians 2:7 Rather He (God's Power) made Himself nothing by becoming a servant and taking the very nature of being a human! So though Jesus had divinity in His Spirit, the Divine purposefully remained a servant which is evident in the temptations Jesus encountered. What person in human history would be tempted by turning a stone into bread? Only the Power inside Jesus would be tempted and that Power rejected the temptation! The Hebrew scriptures speak in many instances that God will be with us, it's the very essence of the name Immanuel and Jesus is Immanuel! Did anyone ever think that the enemy, Satan, would purposely create a Pagan system that would emulate the true Faith so that when God exercised His plan (which Satan knew of) we would reject that plan based off of the system Satan created! My point is that Jesus while having the Power of the Most High within Him, that power was challenged to not impose itself onto Jesus the person as Jesus the person had to suffer everything we suffer! Hunger, Pain, loneliness, rejection, praise, laughter, pity, remorse, Joy, etc... I don't know about you but I am comforted that God chose to know us so intimately!
When G-d created the universe HE spoke in Hebrew.= his holy language. How come JC's account was in Greek and he thinks in a Greek way? There is no continuity from the old Testament to the NT, is there? They are not the same and ONE but rather opposites and contradictory, are they not?
@@pardes7342 That is your opinion however a lot of Rabbi's have accepted Jesus because they see it as thoroughly Jewish! Also it was written and copied
@@pardes7342 There have been many great rabbis among the Jews who came to faith in Jesus. But you have probably never heard of them, since the Jewish community casts them out and slanders them as soon as it comes to light that they believe in Jesus. Rabbi Dr. Daniel Zion, Chief Rabbi of the Bulgarian Jewish community during the Holocaust, Samuel Isaac Joseph Schereschewsky, he was born to an Jewish Orthodox family who founded a University in Shanghai, and translated the Old Testament into Chinese, Rabbi Stern, who was a rabbinic scholar, known for his sharp knowledge of the Talmud, Rabbi Slostovsky, a teacher in a Rabbinic School and the Secretary of the Rabbinical Court of Jerusalem, Rabbi Wertheimer, a rabbi with academic degrees, who became a very popular speaker. My Favorite: Rabbi Yitzhak Lichtenstein he served in several synagogues until he became a regional Rabbi in Hungary. One day, he decided to read the New Testament because he thought that it was the source of all the blood libels, and that it was the reason the anti-Semites threw stones at him during his childhood. But what he found, to his surprise, changed his life and his heart forever. After thorough research of the Old and New Testaments, he came to the conclusion that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah that he had been waiting for all his life. The Rabbi also translated the New Testament into Hebrew and it matches beautifully with the Tenak! How about Rabbi Israel Zolli, Rabbi Zion Daniel, Rabbi Dr. Muller, Rabbi Joseph Teichman, and Rabbi Daniel Weiss? If that's not enough, we can keep going!
@@pardes7342 First of all you start off with a lie in stating the New Testament is Greek! It was first Aramaic/Hebrew which was every Jews language in Israel! The only surviving texts are Greek. No one knows what was in the library of Alexandria that burned down. Continuity from Rabbi Tovia's point of view does not fit because Tovia is an anti Christian teacher. It is his sole purpose to discredit the New Testament but he fails to point out how in the Talmud the way ideas are formed from scripture is developed exactly the same. The difference is the New Testament explains the Hebrew scriptures from a different view point. That doesn't make it wrong, just wrong to Tovia!
Just for clarification of what I was taught studying the Trinity: Genesis 1:1-3 In the beginning God (The Father) created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God (The Holy Spirit) moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, (John 1:1 God's Word/Jesus) Let there be light: and there was light; Genisis 1:27 (we are made in the image of God, therefore also a trinity: body (earth suit) , soul (heart and mind), spirit (Genesis 2:7: God breathed His Spirit into man); this can not be substantiated in The Tanach, thank you for your teachings, Rabbi Singer!
Genesis 1:2 “The spirit of God” is God himself that moved upon the face of the waters. God is spirit. Those who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
During the council 318 Catholic Bishops voted Iesus into existence as they decided what the nature of Christ. If a group of people can vote on what they believe god is, they in turn invent him or her.
In 318 the council was not Catholic church''s but it was church's Catholic council. Both are differen. In that time there was no Roman Catholic church,but church was universal (Catholic).
In my opinion the Council of Nicaea was a nightmare…it was the worst thing that ever happened with a bunch of nonsense New Testament creations and inventions. If Jesus was god then why is he asking himself why he was forsaking himself when he hung on a cross??? “My god, my god, why have you forsaken me?” So Jesus is god and talking to himself, asking himself why he’s forsaking himself…it’s ludicrous and doesn’t make sense. It’s a ridiculous story even in mythology. So god sacrificed himself to himself just to kill himself…he committed suicide. I love Rabbi’s teachings…he always makes so much sense…common sense. I wish Rabbi wouldn’t apologize to Christians for speaking the TRUTH. I could be wrong but Easter doesn’t exist…it was technically a PAGAN festival celebrating the goddess Ishtar…the word Easter is derived from the word/name Ishtar. The Christian Easter is a construct…it was a man-made invention.
I am a muslim, and my interest is Islam history and your content adds a great amount of reference for me to understand the flawed theological concepts of christians. Thank you
the New Testament clearly says He is God. Even John the Baptist said "After me comes a Man who is preferred before me, for He was before me.’" John was born before Jesus, but John knew that Jesus existed before coming to earth to take up human flesh. There are times where Jesus forgave sins in the bible; only God can forgive sins. After Jesus was resurrected, Thomas called him "My Lord and my God" in John 20:28. In the book of John it says Jesus was the "Word of God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God" Your problem with understanding this, is that you believe Christians are saying Jesus is the Father. Jesus humbled himself to become man and this is why we see Him asking the Father for things and saying things like "the Father is greater than I." He came as a submissive servant to God the Father. In Matthew 23:34, 37 He said that he himself sent Israel prophets in times past and that they refused Him. In John 5:23 He said all may honor Him just as they honor the Father. Even in the gospels there are times that the Jews wanted him dead "for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.’” John 10:33. Jesus never denied being God. He is God the Son, NOT God the Father. Two separate beings, but of the same substance, eternally coexisting.
Traditionalist Why do you stop reading at John 10:33? If you would read the next three verses, you would see clearly that Jesus DOES refute their claim. If Jesus is God, why does he say that the father is the “only true God” in John 17:3? How many “true Gods” can there be?
entertainjacob he is just pointing out their hypocrisy. John 10 is not the only instance where they accused Him of claiming to be God. Such as when they accused him of claiming to be God when he forgave people’s sins directly. The Jews were correct when they replied with “only God can forgive sins.”
Traditionalist no, he is refuting them. He refers to Psalm 82 to show them how wrong they are, how he wasn’t claiming divinity at all. They accused him of many things, saying things like... he's demon possessed(John 8:48-49), or that he's breaking the law(Luke 6:2 & Mark 7:5), or that he claimed to be God (John 5:18). Though he clearly was not guilty of any of these things. They were looking for any excuse to get rid of him(Mark 15:9-11).
So first Jesus is a preacher, then he's a son of God, then he's The Only Begotten Son of God, then he is equal to God, and now I hear more and more Christians referring to Jesus as Father God Jesus. This last title to me is the final and complete break with the God of the Jews and Judaism and solidifies the connection of Jesus to the Greek god (Zeus) and the Roman god Jupiter.
I am a Christian presbyter from India. From the very first day I took my spirituality serious I know there is only one God. That is The God of Israel. I never want to come out of Church because I believe there would be no theology 100 percent perfect. It does not mean I support Christian Idolatry. Being a faithful worshipper of The Lord I try to bring my very intimate friends in to The Lord. I reject each every doctrine of Christianity being a Christian himself. As a good human being of God i never want to cheat anyone,but,I am cent percent sure He would enable me to bring out at least a 100 key people for The Lord. I will never bring them out..God willing ,would keep them within to bring out 1000s. Ultimately curbing the greatest apostasy.. Still I believe Jesus as a faithful Rabbi misinterpreted and misrepresented...
So you cannot be Christian ! You are a lot closer to Islam and Judaism, as the only two monotheist religions who worship exactly the same Supreme Almighty God.
Hello Rabbi Tovia Singer, I have an unrelated question. Would you consider it anti-semitic for the Christian pastor of First Baptist Dallas, Texas, to say over and over and write it in a book, "Hell Yes", that all non-Christians Jews will go to hell? Is that offensive to you? It is to me. I grew up in a SBC church and was active for 50 years. I will never forget the experience of hearing people of my faith tell everyone that both Yitzhak Rabin and Anwar Sadat went straight to hell when they were assassinated. That was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Jesus is quoted as saying "Blessed are the peacemakers" so how could I believe what I was being told? I couldn't. Thanks for your teachings.
Constantine had to appease the pagans and the Xtians ie Xmas, Easter. Holidays rooted in paganism. But the church doesn't keep the commanded moadim. All religions are man made. We're all supposed to keep Torah, this isn't a religion but a way of life.
*Carrie So Very:* Well said!! I believed since childhood, until 15+ years ago, that all the pagan holidays were normal - that they were what EVERYBODY celebrated worldwide! Not anymore - since I've learned what the Torah ACTUALLY says to us, and that Christianity is a false, pagan, man-made religion!
The Council of Nicaea was not called in order to 'vote' on the divinity of Christ - Christ's divinity was already accepted by all Christians and had been since the earliest days of the Church. The Council was called to discuss the Arian heresy which did not dispute the divinity of Christ but rather disputed His co-equality with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Much to Constantine's annoyance Arianism was not accepted by the Church and the only 'vote' that took place was the unanimous affirmation through the Nicene Creed which rejected the Arian heresy.
its like the Hinduism where godhead came in 33 million or 13 or 33 form . They are not many but one.All pagan religion has a common similarity that is god came in different form.
The pagans managed to pervert the Christian writings in their translations to suggest there are three gods who together make the all-seeing eye of Ra. We left those gods of Egypt back in the Exodus when the Almighty revealed that He is One. Not two, not three like the godheads of the heathen.
"in Genesis 18, the Lord, God appears to Abraham in the form of three men. Liar, another lie and twisting of words by pagan christians.They were were angels, messengers sent by God.
@@zaggy3110 You are absolutely correct! Those who make such statements are counterfeit Christians and have no knowledge of the rule of "agency". Jehovah loves his angels and he enjoys using them as his agents or representatives. Also, Jehovah created the Sun which is likely not even one trillionth of his glory. Scientists say that if you were to put one single grain the size of a grain of sand from the Sun on the earth, everything within 90 miles of it would perish. Yet these silly trinitarians are trying to tell everybody that all those people saw God? OUCH....THAT WOULD HURT!!!
@resone3645 vipers. Think Matthew calls us that in chapter 23. Whole chapter is a psychopathic jew hate rant. Thanks for drawing attention to the jew hate in the NT.
Nico Not even close. I suggest you get your information from Jewish scholars instead of Christian sympathetic liars. The Jewish faithful have had a proper relationship with God (wrestled with God) for more than 4,000 years. The information you've adopted is a current affair, that was initially from the time of its inception in 325 in Nicaea, who took the Jewish scriptures and gutted them by adding and taking away from the word of God (the Torah) and the chosen prophets of God (the Haftorah). They (Constantine) the one in control at the time, took their own beliefs separate from the Jewish bible, and reimagined a whole new approach that helped catapult the Pauline scriptures and the unknown writers of the four gospels, designed by the Roman Empire to inflict death to not only the Jews, but also the Christians as well. In fact, there were more Christians killing Christians than Romans killing the Jewish people. This sick and twisted Empire of the Romans along with Constantine was causing confusion and death surrounded by the falsehood of lies, worthlessness and futile things, to ultimately bring about the demise of both parties, throughout the generations, and unfortunately our fathers for the past 800+ years had fallen for it without truly investigating the matters of what they had done a 500+ years before. The gentile nations are unfortunately in for a surprise. God made a promise with the children of Israel. God made a promise with Israel. Nobody else can make that claim. Think of that for a moment. God chooses the least expected. Sometimes the least expected became the least expected through ignorance. Sometimes the least expected is because something new came along and said to not worry anymore about what came before, we got something better, but the better was just a test, to know whether you were really actually paying attention or not, the way you were really supposed to. Don't just read Christian scholars input. Because sometimes what you consider is the enemy, actually is a friend with good intentions. Know your enemies. (An explanation in laymen's terms) Shalom
Really goofy how messianic xtians pick only tiny fragments of Tanakh out of context and mistranslated and ignore all of Tanakh in context in hebrew. They always go on to exhort " Masoretic text is corrupted" so ignorant . My Orthodox Artscroll hebrew Tanakh matches dead Sea scrolls. No xtians old testament comes close.
@@JonathanDeLeon-em4px Bahahaha yeah and the Book of Mormon is superior to the new testament it brings out what the early translations like the tyndale and king James versions tried to hide. Give me a break.
I would have to beg to differ with you on that one. There is ONE translation that is unbiased in its translation from Hebrew to English called "The New World Translation" and here is what one Hebrew scholar had to say about it: The Hebrew scholar Dr. Benjamin Kedar of Israel, Professor emeritus of ancient classical Hebrew, former Head of the Department of Old Testament Studies in the University of Haifa and Assistant in the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, evaluated the New World Translation as follows: “With Regard to the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION: In my linguistic research in connection with the Hebrew Bible and translations, I often refer to the English edition of what is known as the New World Translation. In so doing, I find my feeling repeatedly confirmed that this work reflects an honest endeavor to achieve an understanding of the text that is as accurate as possible. Giving evidence of a broad command of the original language, it renders the original words into a second language understandably without deviating unnecessarily from the specific structure of the Hebrew. To my English speaking students I always recommend a comparison between the King James Version and the New World Translation by which they are made aware of the objective difficulties in the original text as well as the different possibilities of interpretation. Every statement of language allows for a certain latitude in interpreting or translating. So the linguistic solution in any given case may be open to debate. But I have never discovered in the New World Translation any biased intent to read something into the text that it does not contain” - Letter, June 12, 1989, translated from the German, UaP.
Judaism evolved from the Pagan religions that surrounded them in antiquity. As an hisrtorian, it is easy to see how Persia, Egypt, Greece and Rome influenced Judaism. Zoroastrianism had a profound impact on both Judaism and Christianity. God was definitely created in man's image!
I am italian and i'm not offended bye your words cristianity have to go back to judaism. cristian church (vaticano)now extactly the non divinity of jesus
Sorry, Rabbi, you are mistaken. Zeus was not a creator god. Zeus was the son of Cronos - he killed his father and became the ruler of the gods. Cronos also was not the Creator God, he was the son of Gaea, who also killed his father and became ruler of the gods
"Jesus" is NOT HIS REAL NAME At All."Jesus" was the name made up by greeks.THE REAL NAME OF THIS MAN IS "ESO" WHO IS ONE OF THE GREATEST PROPHETS OF GOD ALMIGHTY.
How can u judge Jesus with the help of Bible? At the time of Jesus bible was not there, u rejected him when he never claimed of divinity He never said those things which are in bible now WHY???
Ayuni... the Bibleich they have not" was sealed 200 years before Jesus and he told his followers not to change one iota of that book. Furthermore, the Quran says that the christians say that the Jews killed jesus "Which they have not" You want to argue with the Quran go right ahead. It also says that Allah told Musa to go into the land and not leave. Those who don't accept it are called Falastinis... even though the real palestinians (Plishtim) left in the 6th century BCE and returned to the Greek Islands (YAVAN).According to your name you are from Pakistan. Many or my Pakistani friends tell me they were Jewish and forced to convert.
Jesus said the Father is greater than Me because Jesus reduced to a man. That is incarnated nature that is He himself reduced Himself. He did not hold his equality with the Father and adopted the nature of a servant. Thus the Father is greater than Me.
Very true. Yeshua is actually called the Holy Servant and the Holy One. The original Christians, not even called that (Followers of the Way) maintained Yeshua was the Messiah and saw him as an entirely human prophet of the Jewish faith.
@@perrycrozier8805: Not ONCE did God ever tell us that we need to be "saved" or be "Christians" to ensure our Eternal destiny. ONLY the false, pagan NT gives us that story. Nowhere did God tell us that He requires HUMAN blood (a purely PAGAN ritual, which He ABHORS!) as atonement for our sins. We don't "need saving" - God tells us that we can turn back to Him anytime, since He gave us free will. All we have to do is SINCERELY confess our sins to Him, repent of those sins (promise not to repeat the sin), and ask Him for His forgiveness. Therefore, the 'Jesus dying on a cross for people's sins' narrative, just did NOT happen. PLEASE do some honest research on how Christianity started, and you WILL discover that it absolutely did NOT come from God, since the NT preaches AGAINST what God said to us at Mt. Sinai.
Besides: no one in the Tanach (not the torah , not the prophets) called G'd a "father"because this would be limitation and a anthropomorphism forbidden by the Tanach.
The passage in question is Isaiah 9:6 which says For to us a child is born, to us a son is given and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called wonderful counsellor, mighty God, everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. I am looking at the passage now in the Tanakh which skews the translation of mighty God as The Mighty God is planning grace. I am looking at the Hebrew and there us no words in the Masoretic text for planning grace. The hebrew words are just Mighty God. Even in the oldest Isaiah scroll found at Qumran which is 1000 years older than the masoretic text it says Mighty God. This plus the fact that it says the Spirit of God will rest upon him has to be talking about Jesus as it is clear in the gospels that when that great Jew John the Baptist baptised Jesus the Spirit of God descended upon him and remained with him. Now this is no low energy spirit that merely dwells in Christians but is not tangible. This us full power Spirit of God that made the Roman soldiers fall back when they tried to arrest Jesus. This is the power of the glory cloud witnessed to in Kings and Chronicles thst was so powerful that the priests in the temple could not stand up under which made it impossible to minister to the people. Guys this is your heritage, powerful Spirit of God energy that dwelt in the Holy of Holies. This is what mashiach Yeshua ministered with. He said of his own self he could do nothing. How do I know this witness to be true because I could not stand up under the power when I was Holy Spirit baptised and many Christians have this. The gospels are true and the Early Church Fathers witnessed to the truth - wonderful counsellor, mighty God.
Lizzie Wood Bless you for pointing out this verse. Some day very soon Gods chosen will understand. They will have the desire to know who YHWH really is. :)
Lizzie Wood, I find it odd that you bemoan that translation you found which skews the Hebrew yet at the same time you do the very same thing with YOUR translation of Isaiah. The verse does not say a son is born, a son is given. The verse says a child WAS born, a son WAS given. (all past tense) Neither does the verse say "& he will be called". The verse says "and his name was called". (again past tense) Christian translators intentionally mistranslate this to add a Christological aspect to the verse. But it doesn't work. The same way none of the other verses they mistranslate to add a Christological meaning doesn't work. (Psalm 22, Psalm 110, Isaiah 7 etc..) Btw... the oldest Isaiah scroll is not older than the Masoretic Text because there is no such thing. The Masorites did not write a text. They merely added vowels to a text that already existed. Now as far as this being a reference to jesus, the verses in Isaiah say no such thing. This is YOUR interpretation. Moreover the verses actually indicate that it cannot be about jesus. Because as Rashi eloquently points out, the verse says "from NOW" & jesus was not born for yet hundreds of years. P.S. There is no such person known as Yeshua. That's a name invented by the Jews for jesus in the 1960's. The gospels are quite false. I could give hundreds of examples to show this. But one of the best is that the gospels claim jesus is the Messiah and this cannot be considering that even on the most basic level he doesn't qualify.
There are many verses in the Bible. God says I am not a man and no one can see me Isaiah 9:6 That is what Christian's bible stated "For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Christians normally quote the verse above and claim it's a prophecy about Jesus, however there are problems in this verse and they are as follows: 1-This verse is mistranslated by Christians. 2-This verse talks about the past events. Not future. 3- The mighty God doesn't refer to Jesus. 4- Biblical Jesus object being prince of peace. 5- Answer about the person who is being born and called "The Mighty God". 1. The verse is mistranslated and should be translated as " "For a child was born (יֻלַּד־) to us, a son was given(נִתַּן־) to us, and the authority WAS placed(וַתְּהִ֥י) upon his shoulders, and his name WAS called(וַיִּקְרָ֨א) a wonderful counselor is the mighty God, the everlasting Father the ruler of peace" (as per Jewish Translation) The Hebrew words above was translated correctly in other verses but not in Isaiah 9:6(in Christian's bible) Genesis 4:26 "a son was born(יֻלַּד־); and he called(וַיִּקְרָ֨א)" Joshua 24:33 "which was given(נִתַּן־) him in the hill country" 2 Samuel 8:6 "and the Arameans became(וַתְּהִ֥י) servants Genesis 26:9 "Then Abimelech called(וַיִּקְרָ֨א) Isaac and said," 2. As you read the verse from the Hebrew scripture, this verse is clearly talking about THE PAST event. From reading chapter 8-11, it talks about when Syria went to war against Jerusalem, God protected that city in the time of King Hezekiah. 3. The verse doesn't refer to Jesus for these reasons: - Jesus was never called mighty God / Everlasting father during his ministry on earth. - There was no Government on Jesus shoulder when he was here on earth. Pagan Rome was Governing the country and Jesus had to hide from them. 4. Matthew 10:34 Biblical Jesus said ""Don't think that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword." The prince of peace wouldn't make such a statement. 5. THIS VERSE IS REFERRING to HEZEKIAH. The name Hezek-iah literally mean "The mighty God" and it talks about the event that has happened in Hezekiah's time. HZK is chazak, which means The Mighty. The suffix 'iah' means God, and is appended to many names in the Jewish Tanakh, as I will demonstrate below. Just in case, if Christians are still arguing about the name, Jews have mighty names. Let me give you a couple of examples: Elienai =God is My eyes Tovia=Goodness is God Jehpoada=Knowledge Hananiah =Gracious Lord Elisha=God is Salvation Elijah = Yehweh is God Michael (nick name "Mike") means "who is like God". Gabriel= Strong God. The judges Exodus 21:6= Elohim Now just because the prophets such as Elijah, the judges, Hananiah, and Hezekiah have God names, that doesn't make them God.
Faisal Siraj I believe God is without form and is the ruler and the power and the glory. Jesus was His first creation in Heaven. To put it terms that we can understand, Jesus is the son. However He was the image of God since He has no form. God is in Jesus His son so Jesus spoke his own words and Gods words. God wanted creations but sin came in and God came to us in the body of His son who shed His blood for our sins. Our creator died for us. Its so wonderful and yet so sad how we treat YHWH the one and only God. I love Him and seek to know Him with every bit of my being. A God that loves that much is worth my devotion!
