One of the main reasons that I was so drawn to you guys in the beginning is that you do not deny the existence of racism, but rather you keep it in the right balance for the current political times. While I am on the conservative side of the aisle, I have long been uncomfortable with some Republican denial of racism, just as I am uncomfortable with the Democrats overstatement of it. Listening to you makes me long for the Pre-Obama years where we were so close to a post-racial society. I do believe that most people (left and right) still align in this space, but we are drowned out by the politicians, media and activist groups that only seek to divide rather than unify...which is then amplified by the silo effect and tribalization thanks to social media.
Jeff, racism in the US is (was) asymptotic--ever closer to, but never reaching zero. Minority racist discrimination is flat-out illegal in every rational aspect of public society, and racism is rightly condemned and rejected by the vast majority of individuals! You're right: the pre-Obama days were our opportunity for a color-blind society. So why did President Obama play that identify card into media hands, starting with Trayvon? And the legal proceedings after Trayvon's death? Same for Michael Brown. Dying embers of racism have been fanned to become emblems of identity. We tried to rally around policing standards and statistical performance for the most part, but the critical narrative would not have it. The narrative has captured (or has a foot in the door of) every American sector and institution, and can barely remember when we were not divided on race, as you wrote. We need to pull back from the brink, meet back up in the "space...so close to a post-racial society." We need a new contract for neutral application of constitutional law. that overrides the duopoly of Democrats and Republicans. I like the way you think.
@@paigemccormick6519 That requires a third party -- which will never happen because the DNC and RNC have pretty much managed to codify the two-party duopoly in State Houses across the country. It's designed to shut independents and third parties out entirely, and subsequently no one has a voice except the extremist base of the two major parties. If people would focus their attention for five minutes on their State and local governments and what they've done, through gerrymandering and State voting laws, you'd start to see the vast electorate between these extremist bookends assert their influence over their State legislatures and perhaps then -- and only then -- will the parties start to meet in the center of the debate -- or "neutrality," whatever that is.
@@briane173 Hey Brian. Third party, new party, yep. Slim chance. Slim to none, for a constitutionally based solution. What a terrible loss, so I'm not counting it completely out. The place to meet is at the constitution. Why is that so hard for adults?
I love to hear you two talk, but I'm totally stoked to hear that John is doing another course for the Great Courses! I've already got two, and I'm looking forward to the next.
@@BonRain8734 I am pretty much punk in spirit so sometimes positive, sometimes not. Lousy and McWorthless are profoundly sick men. This view is not on the positive/negative spectrum.
Glenn and John , I am so so glad I know about both of you . I enjoy very much in listening to you both . I'm 77 years old , retired from San Francisco cable cars and your conversations make me so happy ... God bless you and the many others I am privileged to hear ...
Just btw, black people, owing to imported American politics, are actually vastly overrepresented in almost every aspect of public life in the UK, despite the fact that they make up 3% of the UK population versus 13% of the US population. And for older generations it's less, they probably make up 2% of people in the age range of prominent economists, so statistically you might not even expect to see a single black economist at LSE. If you turn on British TV you'd assume the UK is actually as or more black than the US, even though it isn't. And similarly to the way hispanics are a much larger share of the US population than blacks, yet receive far less representation in public life, South Asians are more than double the British black population, yet appear far less in the media etc.
Phew! I thought it was just me. I'm curious who the advertisers think they're selling to by putting so many black people in their advertisements. You could be forgiven for believing that everyone in the UK is in a racially mixed marriage from watching our commercials. Yet the borough I live in is 98% white British.
@@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108 Please stop engaging in laughable hyperbole, dispassionately observing basic facts is not "sobbing about seeing a black person in a tv advert". I've just watched an hour and a half long podcast by two black guys, yeah I must be really bothered by seeing a black person on television.
Glenn I would find it incredibly interesting if one of these episodes you could dedicate to sharing your thoughts on Modern Monetary Theory, considering it's responsibility regarding our current economic collapse. Thanks for all the content!
Richard Baris's take on school shootings is that it's a recent phenomena that started becoming more regular around the start of the counter culture movement. On top of that it, according to the FBI, continues and expands due to institutional media fixation on these events effectively acts as marketing for more of them. In my own thoughts; the idea that removing guns is the answer flies in the face of historical data where these events barely ever happened despite kids having MORE access to firearms. Even in high gun control areas these events still happen. Ultimately it is culture and people who must be looked at but that's never easy.
I'm a 68 year old black American who lived, worked and traveled abroad for 25 years living a year or more in 5 countries. Wherever I go abroad I try to contrast and compare how those countries deal with racial /minority issues versus the US. I do tend to focus on places where I've been that had large black populations: France and Brazil. That said I do not focus exclusively on blacks. For example I was often curious about how gypsies were and are treated in Spain and other European countries or how Muslims are treated in France whether they are black or not. It had been a minute since I'd listened to Glen and McWhorter so this was an excellent topic for me to come back to for a listen. As usual, lots of food for thought. Thanks. Grabbed a backpack after college in 76 and flew to Amsterdam. That was the beginning of my love affair with travel, languages, and cultures. Unfortunately I have not gotten around to reading a book that's been sitting on one of my shelves for a while. Its title Afropean. Make no mistake though, I will read it.
So glad I found the new channel. Used to watch you fellas on blogging heads and wondered why i hadn't seen any new videos. Glenn i saw you on lex fridman and tucker. Love you guys. Keep it up!
Just reading through here, and so so many comments have been censored. The algo doesn't like what's going on here. (At least, I think it's the algo, I hope Glenn and John aren't deleting comments.)
Glenn is so right about reacting to school shootings vs school aged deaths by shooting in other ways. Cmon. And it is because of the racism of grafters in my opinion
That description of the Sewell report was more than fair, it was quite disappointing because instead of getting academics with different views to sit down together and to come to some shared conclusions it had people who were politically motivated towards the Conservative side - which I have more sympathies for - more or less dominating it whilst those who disagreed with them often left, or came out later to report feeling railroaded or sidelined. Which is a shame, I remember prior to the report and during the George Floyd protests - incidentally, when I started watching this show - looking into UK inequality, and found the same findings as the Sewell report (at least those that are solid regardless of the political bunfight that made it a shitshow) which is that in the UK you cannot delineate success based on skin colour, as African British and Caribbean British outcomes vary on average markedly despite being hard to differentiate by look. Likewise, Bangladeshi British earned about 60% of the National average whereas Indian British if I recall correctly earn either equal to or above it, despite looking similar. Even then if you break down Indian British further, Gujurati Indians - well known for being a mercentile people across the world - are generally regarded as affluent and successful. This isn't to deny racism, or that racism isn't relevant in the discussion, it's just to highlight that racism cannot explain these differences because many of these people look exactly the same. Some of the other factors it could account for - for instance how long a community had been established in the UK - did some of this work, what was left could be racism, but it could also be culture and other unaccounted factors. Not all of the report was good, I think it probably did provide too rosey a picture, and yes those students and staff were entirely correct in how they portrayed it flopping, some tried to say it was a whitewash but while I think it deserved criticism for how it was run, that is going too far.
There is the Korean alphabet (Hangul). Japanese (Hiragana) is also alphabet based. "Indeed, legendary linguist James McCawley noted that “Hangul is the most ingeniously devised writing system that exists, and it occupies a special place in the typology of writing systems.” He adds that it is “the only writing system in the world that divides sentences not only into words and syllables and individual sounds, but also articulatory features..."
It is quite refreshing to see people ( just a few I might add) using their pre- frontal. books r wonderful instruments. Mr. Lourey,it's a Grand pleeasure..thank you.. Though I am not making g light of your subject matter, FEAR IS A TERRIBLE THING.. THE LIZARD, HOWEVER FEASTS WITH NO TERMINAL ENDEAVOR... Maybe in a few centuries, If we r still here.
"Something must be done" has never fixed a problem. Ever. Cf Thomas Sowell The Vision of the Anointed. Answers are always messy. Banning guns means just the bad guys have guns.
Yes. :) It is standard form in our age for intellectuals to speak as if to every problem there is a "policy" solution, if only we would make the sincere intellectual effort to discover it. It is religion. The progressive cult has captured America thoroughly.
@@IsaiahSellassie Yeah ithe idea that every problem has a solution is a fundamentally "progressive" idea, and yet that sort of thinking is so pervasive in modern society that most people aren't even aware how much of a break it is with almost all of human history.
@@jdg9999 This is the desired effect. This is the purpose for which the first generation progressives theorized the capture of public education, and opinion making media. The essential revolutionary premise of the progressive project is that all that we have received from the ancestors, all the common laws, customs and traditions, all the ideas of good and evil, all the wisdom about human nature, all these are all wrong, wrong, wrong. The wheel must be reinvented----by themselves, of course. Hence, the "counter culture" as it is called. The good is evil, and the evil is good. Man is woman, and woman is man. Straight sex is perverse and repressive, but homosexuality is noble and virtuous. So on, and so forth.
"Something needs to be done" "Something ought to be done" Why? There are many bad things that happen that we accept because we balance them with the positives of allowing risky activities. Relieving hundreds of millions of people to the right to effective armed self defense and resistance to tyranny because of a statistically insignificant number of people being killed is not a standard we apply to anything else. Vastly more children are killed by drowning in backyard ponds and swimming pools each year (things which have no utility outside of recreation) than by guns (which have vast utility in hunting, pest control, self defence, a last resort against tyranny AND recreation), but no one suggests banning them. Similarly we accept the deaths of thousands each year purely for the convenience of higher speed limits. You could engage in the same dishonest emotionalism in many areas (is it taking 10 minutes to drive to Starbucks instead of 20 really worth a child's life?), and yet it's only done with guns. This suggests to me that the motive force behind elite gun control advocacy is not care for human life, it is disarming politically non compliant sections of the population.
Another way of saying this point is that we need to weigh the effects of gun control and other action both on the number of offenses, like gun homicide or suicides, and on the number of Defensive Gun Uses, which deter and prevent homicide and property crime. Lower-bound estimates put DGUs in the hundreds of thousands, more generous estimates put it in the millions per year. So, indeed: will the reduction in DGUs outweigh a reduction in gun homicide, qualitatively and quantitatively? Will it result in a net gain in average lifespan, or will the increased ease of commission of crime against unarmed defenders result in a net loss of livelihood?
@@hanssvoboda Right, because, small arms have never been used to fight governments before? Civil Wars have never happened before? What exactly is your basis for ridicule? I bet you were one of those people with Ukrainian flags in their bios high fiving when Zelensky was handing out guns to people on the street at the start of the Russian invasion.
I respect both of you, and I have watched your content for years, but the last segment about gun control is a very good example of people who are not very familiar with the way something works attempting to regulate it. Just to pick the easiest example, the ammunition that is used in the AR-15 is not used exclusively in the AR-15. It is used in many other firearm platforms. It's not a special high power round. That is just the first of several things that can be pointed to in this argument. Again, I have great respect for both of you and have listened to every podcast you have put out for years, but there's some missing information on this subject.
Regarding the point about people not being able to manufacture their own AR15 rounds, they actually can be manufactured at home with an ammo reloading kit, so I don't think limits on ammunition seem like a plausible restriction to solve the problem.
@@ondolite3789 In PRISON!! Wow. That’s quite the extreme point of view there Ondo. Could you say specifically what Loury and McWhorter have said that warrants imprisonment??
I thought detoqueville like 2 seconds before he mentioned him. This is all in the past, now, and i just started listening, but i hope he did go detoqueville with at least some of his experience over there.
Europeans have no real idea about America other than stereotypes vice versa. The only exception might be with journalists who spend time in America with actual "average" ppl and not in silly bubbles that exist everywhere.
A large segment of our elite is of an antagonist, anti national orientation. They have a disproportionately large megaphone, and an organizational network of staggering breadth of coalition, and depth of finance. They use race and gender as weapons to bludgeon normal society.
Some East Asians have written phonetically for hundreds of years - the Koreans. The odd thing about Korean is they didn't fully purge Chinese characters from their writing until about 2000. Now, most young Koreans can only read the phonetic system. You can't really write Chinese with any existing phonetic system, like pin yin. Too many things sound so similar that you need to see the characters to resolve the ambiguities. Reading pin yin is more like a deciphering job, trying to identify which characters it might represent. When it was frowned upon for women to read, there was a secret phonetically based writing system for Chinese which women kept from their men. I've never seen it, but it sounds interesting.
... I wonder if Koreans realized cell phones can translate Chinese post2000 so learning it is pointless hobby. Pre2000 it served a purpose... Now Korea needs to simplify their grammar and honorifics. English needs to drop it's articles, I am trying to write something brief and count every letter and boy can one drop without unclarity "the" and "a" and "who" and "they" to cut like 5% of many sentences...
John McWhorter's work rate is astonishing ... He has eclipsed the academic lifespan of an intellectual by a factor of 3 at least 🤣 ... How he is able to constantly work on books, journals, lectures, podcasts, appearances etc .. unbelievably talented 🤝🏽
Thanks, Messrs Loury & McWhorter! Nuggets I mined: UK dark-skinned people are unencumbered by the Leftist American “systemic racism” narrative and afraid it will unduly influence the conversation in their country. (12:30) France does not collect social statistics based on race to avoid legitimizing racial categorization. (13:30) The victim view of racism is being overcome because dark-skinned people (Nigerians, Jamaicans, Caribbeans) and Southeast Asains who haven’t been subjected to it (or simply reject it out of a sense of individual pride) are experiencing success. This 1960’s idea of white supremacist racism is losing its impact on non-whites because they are finding it is NOT the obstacle it is advertised to be. American blacks who still buy it labor under the misconception. (15:30 -27:00) Violence in the black community is the real uncomfortable conversation that the majority of the black community doesn’t want to have. (30) Downplaying vs. Overplaying racism (35) Communities wherein violence is the norm creates a culturally closed ecosystem that reproduces itself. Likewise, the ideology that racism is the only answer to this cycle, is itself an intellectually closed ecosystem that reproduces itself. If we understand that this closed way of thinking perpetuates both ecosystems, perhaps compassion mixed with wisdom can help us infiltrate the system and introduce new ways of thinking. (40) The victim worldview is not entirely wrong, but to focus and dwell on it is ineffective for generating solutions that lead to change. Even granting the victim’s mistreatment, merely blaming the oppressor forfeits the victim’s agency to him. If it is wholly oppressor’s fault, you must wait for his recognition and change of heart. “All you can do is plead. “(42) Family, Religion, Entrepreneurship being the keys for success (44) The alphabet was invented in Africa. (45)
Regarding the last topic on mass shootings “versus” gang or otherwise urban gun violence perpetrated by young men, there may be an important component cause common to both: the lack of a consistent male role model. I recommend Jordan Peterson's latest podcast episode with Warren Farrell where they discuss the role of absent fathers and male role models in the pathological progression of would be mass shooters. Edit: To men everywhere: Care for your sons lest they end up “taking care” of you.
there may be a lot of Jamaicans (& other Caribbeans) still in Brixton... but the house prices there make it far from being a ghetto.. average price: half a million pounds, a three bedroom place upto 1.5 million. it has to be in the top 5 places that have been gentrified in London, I used to live there.. I cant afford to now... Peckham is the same.. its more farmers markets than dance hall. other than that: Glenn and John.. excellent work ... as ever
Dr. Loury, Korean is an alphabet developed for the very reasons that Dr. McWhorter stated…to make it more democratic, ironically in that regards because it was the King that wanted it and then developed it.
The two of you should invite Angie Speaks, from the low society podcast on. She so smart you could have an amazing conversation about any topic. Please, reach out. Maybe you all can contrast the way race is thought of, and spoken about in the US and UK. Or the mindset of immigrant blacks and native born African Americans.
I really like listening to you guys, and your conversations are an essential illuminating factor in the mix these days -- however, there seem to be some persistent blind spots I've noticed over these past few months of listening. The main one that comes to mind in the middle of this talk is a kind of surprising blindness to the entire academic thought sphere of Systems Thinking. i.e. Donella Meadows, Fritjof Capra, etc. I think when people toss around the word "systemic" as in "systemic racism," very few have any clue that systems dynamics is a vast, intricate, complex art and science that sits at the throbbing core of every single one of these issues: violence, inequality, economic disasterousness, etc.. Systems make calculus and astrophysics look like kindergarten -- it's humbling and vast, yet we need the best minds and hearts leaning into this right now. As much as Glenn likes to say "meta-" I actually see very little meta or systems thinking being leaned into here -- middle-meta for sure, but not meta-meta. Brilliant, polyvalent thought and great oratory, rhetoric, and guts from these 2, yes -- but -- ecosystems, systems in all their profundity will shift and enlighten us if we can collaborate and peer through the various veils together.
Has anyone every examined how distrust of police may lead to more violence? I can see how maybe someone will have a dispute and if they don't trust the courts or the police, they will resolve that issue on their own - often violently.
It should be well understood that good policing diffuses violent situations to protect the general public, the suspect, and the police themsleves. That process requires trust from the public. The real argument is whether the police or (sections of) the public should change to build up that trust.
I worked for a black American journal that had of course a global reach to others of African descent. The mag was nearly entirely devoted to entertainment unfortunately. I was amazed and shocked how many black American celebrities identified as having what they called "gangsta culture." In the drive for Americans to separate themselves along ethnic lines, unfortunately for black Americans it seems violence (as long as it's within the community) has been embraced as that defining difference.
Maybe for the 1st time in recorded, because of our media tech, we are able to watch exactly how history is able to repeat itself in the worst ways. Like watching a bus being hit by a train in slow motion through a GOPro. We can track the crack from the point of impact of forces in motion. From every angle!Position. Etc. We can trace trajectories of every shard of glass to where there come to rest. Then rewind it back to the "just before." It's as beautiful as it is horrible. Like a new poetry.
in the Uk it has become more popular to use race in politicking but it was never a meaningful thing to promote segregation to get people to vote for you.
I don't have the whole story at my fingertips, but there was a king in Korea that actually invented a 24 character alphabet specifically for the common people to learn quickly and for everybody to use. They still use Chinese script as well, but the overwhelming majority of modern Koreans use Hangul, the aforementioned phonetic alphabet. That's a level of benevolence rarely seen in history in my estimation.
I’m working through John’s class on Language Families of the World on the Great Courses (now Wondrium) and he discusses the creation of the Korean script. Pretty neat- “a wise man can learn it in a morning and a stupid man can learn it in a week.”
@@yovicta34 That sounds about right. I was able to work it out over a few weeks by looking at signs, comparing to the Roman script that often go on them, and listening my Korean friends. It really is that simple! Mind you that wasn't focused study but rather opportunistic and sporadic, or otherwise I probably coulda learned it in a week like the hypothetical stupid man.
I don’t know how I found this channel but I love it 🥰 More people like us need to speak up! That’s the problem. People of color are allowing these intellectuals who have never stepped foot in our dangerous neighborhoods to tell US what’s the problem. The problem?? No fathers in my neighborhood growing up, abuse, violence, generational trauma, and rotten schools. Racism?? I’m can tell you about 2 times as a young person. I guarantee you those 2 times did not ruffle my feathers when I had already been traumatized by my environment during my formative years. We need to speak up!!
WOW that alphabet project sounds like a home run. That could encourage a movement back to phonics. I'm old enough to have been taught that letters make sounds. This common core thing just doesn't cut it.
At time 36:36, Glenn says: "Witnessing violent acts when you're young is traumatizing." and then he goes on to discuss community/familial violence. It's a valid point. But I wonder, when will Glenn and John get around to addressing gangster-rap? What is the effect on a toddler, who is rolling around on the living room floor playing with his ABC blocks, in having too-loud gangster-rap videos blaring out on the large-screen tv three feet from his head? Meanwhile, his single-mom is pacing around drinking and smoking and having a too-loud profanity laced phone conversation with her girlfriend and barely paying attention to the little guy. He's raised by gangster-rap. Could that have anything to do with outcomes? Or is gangster-rap good food for young minds? Is that how the Bangladeshi immigrants do it?
Why? Listening to gangsta rap doesn't make you kill people or commit violent crimes. You understand lots of kids in the suburbs listen to gangsta rap too, right? Can the music be used to reinforce learned attitudes? Certainly. It's definitely a part of the echo chamber John and Glenn were referencing. But let's understand that those attitudes and the lived perspective you hear was already happening for at least two generations before it found its way into music in the late 1980s. The music is, or at least was initially, based on a reality that already existed. And that same thing had been happening in poor Italian, Jewish, Irish, Polish neighborhoods for decades-- cosa nostra didn't need gangsta rap for kids who grew up in certain neighborhoods want to be made men. You're basically just saying bad parenting effects outcome, which almost everyone agrees with. But the point is that environment supersedes even parenting.
@@michaelahurt Thanks for your thoughtful reply. You agree that bad parenting effects outcomes. Roger that. I contend that the choice of music and music videos that you choose to play for your child can be an important factor. Bach is better for children than gangster-rap, in all ways, period. Parents SHOULD play Bach for their children, and they SHOULD NOT play gangster rap for their children. Your argument is that gangster rap is "real", in that it portrays real life. OK, fine. But parents have a choice about which elements of real life that they subject their children to. Serial killers are real also. Should parents have "The John Wayne Gacy Story" on rotation as their toddler rolls around on the floor? Or are there better choices that they could make when choosing entertainment?
@@awexpat8943 I wholeheartedly agree that what you allow your child to see/hear is an important factor. I just don't believe it's a *determining* factor. It's the canary in the coal mine. If a 7 year old is listening to that kind of music there are very likely much larger issues present. The point about it being real isnt to validate it -- although there is some cathartic value -- but rather to illustrate that it is not CAUSING the bad outcomes -- or really even contributing all that much -- as outlined by the fact those same bad outcomes predate the invention of gangsta rap and occured in multiple cultures over time and throughout history. In that respect any discussion on the impact of music specifically ultimately needs to revert to broader parenting topics or discussions like the one Glenn/John had here about being trapped in an echo chamber. But that's not to say the music is good for kids (or anyone tbh) or doesn't influence people. It's just a lower level issue that is symptomatic more than causal
@@michaelahurt Wow, no insults, I really appreciate that, it's not often that I have the opportunity to debate ideas as ideas, thank you. Now then, you claim that ganster-rap is not THE determining factor. OK, again, fair enough. But still, I contend, that it is a substantive factor that can be easily addressed. It should go away. It is bad. I contend that, when you look at the rates per-capita of fatherlessness, criminality and abortion in the black community, that there is an emergency there; I contend that this is an all-hands-on-deck scenario. We need to address the top-line issues, sure, (I think we have. Affirmative Action? DEI?) but we also need to address the low-hanging fruit. Gangster-rap is the low-hanging fruit. It is not conducive to most humans flourishing. It may well be self-validating, to folks who find themselves in similar environments, but it is not the ideal, it should not be celebrated, and in fact, it should be shunned. Play Bach for your kids. Will this solve everything? No. Is it a better choice? Yes.
Hi Glenn are you referring to Perre Bourdieu'' s theories to help explain the extent of violence/crime by some black African Amercian men living in very deprived areas such as habitus , capital and field etc
Great show as usual. Quick comment on demographics of mass shooters, this is from memory so please no nit picking. Believe the data used 4 or more injured or killed by the shooter as the threshold for a mass shooting. Shooters: White 54% Black 18% Asian 6% Hispanic forgot but it was well below population percentage. IIRC Whites a bit underrepresented, Blacks a bit over represented , Asians being higher than expected was a surprise. The perception that this is an overwhelmingly White phenomenon is a media driven thing, IMHO. Actually looks like one area where we are, sadly, pretty diverse.
If this is the data that appeared in Mother Jones a few years back, the definition of "mass shooting" had been doctored to exclude gang shootings. If you include those, blacks are overrepresented.
Also, there is a reason why they use 4 victims and not 3, when you drop it to three, the numbers really slide towards Black offenders. Stats can be misleading, as we all know.
Stats. Of 25000 murders about 5,000 are criminal on innocent stranger, and 5,000 are interfamily who really hate each other or are pathetic in some way, so if a healthy family (not mine haha we have drug issues) odds left are 5000 per 340m so 1:68,000, over lifetime odds of all murders are 1:240 and if excluding the criminals and familial this is 1:1000. Pinker would point out this is 10x lower than Victorians had in age of not much guns. 10m black men will die decade early from crappy medical care, why do we only cry over 5000 innocent murders, its almost genius how rich people get is to focus on guns not medial care for men in 50s? . . I have no gun but like the option, I hate to say it but Covid showed govt can be extreme, I do have a big knife and know I probably could do harm as any pistol user knows only about 5% of bullets hit at 50meters it's amazingly hard and if in same room just knife em, I sound crazy hah. But J is wrong some places are peaceful cause they're meek not cause Finland lacks a pile of guns...
@@captjimusfl - So was is "mass"? It simply means "large number," which is highly subjective. The difference between 3 and 4 is so low as to make the exclusion of 3 from the definition of "mass shooting" meaningless, if for anything other than manipulation of the numbers. The entire label is meaningless.
18% of w hites have I Qs north of 115, 2% of bl acks do... So when you wonder why there's a limited amount of b people at the very top in Academia theres your explanation.
McWhorter's Jimminy Glick impersonation at the 29:00:ish mark. "I wonder why...." It's no mystery. People. Most people, are poor getting poorer in a culture that feeds that fact back to them in so many ways its overwhelming and creates a very real desperation. No reason to kill someone but it's no mystery to me. Very sad.
Have you ever looked at the differences between the culture in the USVI vs the BVI? Despite a very similar history of slavery, colonialism etc. there seems to be a dramatically different outcome. I wonder how being associated with the US influenced this?
The obv about how people in other parts of the world think the US is a racist hellscape is something I point out all the time. Same with the rest of the world's view on US emissions contribution.
Re: Racism having to do with the current situation, I like what Scott Adams says about these things: "It's useful to separate the cause of a problem (racism in this case) with the solution, which is defanging the Teachers Unions so school competition blooms and every poor kid gets the same shot at a good life."
A Drama school I used to teach at in london had a new boss take over just before covid and the George Floyd things in 2020.. she had an agenda which those events helped accelerate. One example The students handbook was much modified and the cover page was changed to read that the school founded in 1860s had been founded on racism and had maintained racism and now those who had benefitted from that racism much change that.... While it isn't at the same levels here as in the US... we are worried that it will go that way..
Douglas Murray's latest book about Western Civilization has a lot of information about this. It's entitled The War on the West. Your boss owes a debt of gratitude to England because even after they abolished slavery the British Navy spent much blood and treasure on the high seas intercepting ships involved in the slave trade. Your country has graciously and humanely allowed people to immigrate to the West. It's a shame people like her show such a lack of appreciation. Individual liberty is a Western Christian concept. Whites are the indigenous people of the British Islands. Other people who immigrated are very lucky to be there whether they know it or not.
@@carolblume5073 indeed... my former boss.. she used covid as a way to accelerate her plans to gut the place in a sort maoist take over and sacked 99% of the teachers and causing other members of staff to resign. I did wonder why given he4 convictions that she as a white person didn't step aside, or despite her stated intent to get 30% minority ethnicities across both staff and student bodies, the majority of here new hires we white and female. Though she stepped down after being there less than two years, though that was more to stop her from being investigated which would of also put the board who put her in place under the spot light... However she did successfully destroy what the institution stood for, the work members of staff had spent decades building and left only the name
Someone has to explain how "gun control" legislation will prevent gun crime, including school shootings. How exactly will that happen? Details, please. Just like you would require for any other proposal like this. How will a government that cannot perform even its most basic responsibilities competently going to perform "gun control" of any kind? How will "gun control" prevent the bad guys from getting guns of any kind? Details, please. The "system" already ignores, every time, the signs that some nut case is considering mass violence. When it occurs, police stand down and do nothing. Perps are released without parole and disappear or go back to their life of crime. Innocent citizens suffer. Most mass gun violence occurs in situations that do not involve schools. What is the difference between a "mass shooting" and a hundred shootings of and by young men, including many minors, in a month involving street gangs? Why will reducing the rights of responsible citizens through even more intrusive government help solve the gun violence problem? Details. please. Workable plan, please, that includes how you will achieve effective action from a completely incompetent government that treats concerned parents who attend school board meetings as terrorists. Convince me that this is not just another episode of punishing the innocent so that the politicians can get accolades and make political points as we more closer to Big Brother government. Plan please that addresses root cause of violence and not symptom, yet again. Then we can talk.
In that sense it is also a self fulfilling prophecy. Some people buy guns in order to feel more safe and to be able to defend themselves. If a government fails in reducing crime and keeping the neighbourhood safe, more people will get guns, which leads to more incidents, etc.
@@santibanks Exactly. I wonder how many social workers who replaced defunded police it takes to stop a home break-in or a mugging or prevent a carjacking?
You won't get an answer. They can't answer it. People like JM don't understand that 2A is the only thing allowing them to properly and fully express their 1A.
It does not work mechanically, but culturally. Some years ago a young man with a semi-automatic weapon entered the grounds of the Gilroy Garlic Festival, opened fire ad killed 5 people before the police at the festival were able to kill him. How could those deaths be prevented? Gun rights folks argue a good guy with a gun in necessary. But then we have the case of the shooter in Buffalo. Here there was a good guy with the gun (a retired policeman working as a security guard) who did try to stop the shooter and was killed. But even if a good guy with a gun is successful (as at the Gilroy festival) they cannot act until AFTER the shooter has opened fire and possible killed multiple people. If they try to intervene BEFORE the shooting starts, you have a situation like the shooting in Kenosha WI in 2020. Here a young man with an automatic weapon moves into a crowd of people at an protest. Some of the people there accost him, and the man kills two of them in response. Later on he is aquitted on self-defense. The issue here is that people must die before it is clear that a heavily armed person is a shooter rather than just a heavily armed person. Only after people have died can a "good guy with a gun" intervene to try to stop the shooting, and risk death in doing so as the officer in Buffalo. This leads to a reluctance of "good guys with guns" to intervene in situations where a heavily armed young man with body armor is shooting people as at the Uvalde school shooting recently. By making is legal (and so culturally acceptable) for shooters to carry powerful weapons to places where they can start shooting, we are making such events socially acceptable. We can SAY we don't approve of this behavior, but we cannot assert this belief until people have died. We did not have this culture in my youth, People did not walk around with high power weaponry because it was illegal and so not acceptable behavior. Someone who did this would face jail time on felony charges and so it was not done. Unsurprisingly, mass shootings were not a routine affair like today. Legalization of heavily armed citizens in public is fairly recently it will be a couple of decades before the culture fully adapts to this new environment, by which time, extrapolation suggests we will have one of these mass shootings every other week. By then they will be routine, no different than gang shootings, just part of the normal risk of everyday life in America.
Interesting talk usual, though I do have an issue with the 'gun control' back and forth at the end. As it completely ignores the second amendment argument, which is in my opinion the biggest wall in considering any argument to use legislation to force the reduction of firearms/ammunition held by the US population.
My experience with my European friends is that most Europeans have a very stilted and parochial understanding of the US, mostly based on media presentations. They have no conception of how big or how populous or how diverse the US is.
Gentlemen, are you not going to talk about the violence inherent in popular American culture, going back to 1915 and D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation"?
John, the problem with going after the gun instead of the people is that the gun is not actually the most effective tool for mass killings, and it does nothing to touch the gang violence because most of those are with illegal guns to begin with. 1. Gun is not most effective tool: The truck attack in Nice killed more people than even the Vegas shooting, during which the shooter fired over 1000 rounds into the crowd. I think these sick people might choose guns only because it's scarier and more satisfying for them to directly attack people, but if they couldn't get their hands on them would they simply switch to an actually more effective tool that's still easy to find (a large truck)? 2. Most gun violence is with illegal guns to begin with: Even many of the mass shootings at schools are with guns the shooters themselves are not allowed to have, but beyond that the gang violence is also mostly done with illegal guns. Making guns illegal for more people to own isn't going to touch that in any way except from quite an indirect and roundabout route. Add to this that something like 90% (or higher) of the mass shootings that we think of (non-gang related) take place in gun-free zones, because they are clearly looking for such a place to attack, and you have a recipe for more gun control possibly leading to more mass shootings because they feel even freer to attack anywhere they want. I just think we need to consider unintended consequences like this (along with possibly less people having a gun when they need it to legitimately defend themselves), especially when considering enacting laws that directly go against a Constitutional amendment. Yes, of course there are limits on Constitutional freedoms, but there is a line somewhere when the limits cross into a nullification of the right. In a fascist state, people still have some measure of the right to speak, there are just limits on what they can say. It's a sliding scale, not an on/off switch.
I'll say it: there are too many Catholics on the Supreme Court. The religious school law that just came down in Maine, that these alleged constitutionalists ruled on, proves that.
Brixton born and raised. Most of my black mates think the idea you are strong enough or they are weak enough to be "kept down" is insulting and laughable. My little brothers very successful black immigrant girlfriend, gets invited on "woke" panels and all they ask is her opinion "as a black woman"! Not as a human, who is an expert in her field. She literally stopped doing them as she found it racist and insulting. Some prefer to be victims rather than victors! Its all about mentality.
It is all about managing circumstance successfully. You love blaqs who can pretend to be independent of circumstance as this makes you innocent. Oh, look my little bro's blaq squeeze has made it, showing that other blaqs have chosen not to. I prefer overt racists to people like you.
I am a huge fan of both of you, please keep it up. One small point: saying that "persons with a tendency to violence occur more frequently in the black population" cannot be shortened to "blacks are more violent" because this phrase implies that ALL blacks are more violent. This is only important because assigning perceived group level traits to individual persons is one of the foundations of racism.
I’m white and grew up in WV - racism was right out in the open there, there’s no doubt racism is endemic in this country. However, the idea that things haven’t changed significantly is just insane. I appreciate every thoughtful discussion I watch in which either or both of you are participants.
Gosh! I wish "something could be done" about car wrecks, cancer, the common cold (which I haven't had one in like 17yrs fun fact-no flu shot ever too, still tho), rapist, serial killers, obesity etc
Fun fact: my old friend loves you both so he doesn't have to feel guilty. As a white woman, it's been painful to see my part in this structure. I'm a better person for it. Why is that bad? By contrast, the same former friend, is estranged from his daughter, estranged from friends, could have been at Capitol Jan 6.
My therory would be culture in a group is passed on. Work ethic in certain asian stereotypes has solid base evidence that it rings true. So by extention in black(or any colour group)poor communities that have been poor for generations and have suffered social losses such as over imprisonment of adult males could therefore pass on less desirable attributes such as a higher tenancy for violence. So I'd say it's social not racial. But I'm a lazy englishman who never finished my sociology degree 😅 so my opinion probably isn't perfectly on point. But thank you both for making me consider racial complexities in comparison with Europe and the US. Your discussions are wonderful as always.
To your question you asked at around 35, I definitely think mass incarceration is a big factor, both culturally and practically, a criminal record is an impediment to doing something more productive with your life. Does race even exist without racism, therefore how do we discuss a question like this without racism being a factor?
