Rachel & Tino Discuss Him Cheating On Her and They Break Up 

They’re literally the same person. That’s why this went so badly. They both have the exact same personality.

I didn't like tino from the very start but it's also hard to sympathize with Rachel since she chose him with all of his red flags over the other guys who really cared for her.. something about her is also off.

Rachel!! There are other ways to make a partner think the relationship is over. Telling them that you won't wear his ring is one of them.

Rachel can't have a normal conversación, imagine being with her forever.

His trying to blame her for him cheating😮😳😡WOW😒that’s a red flag right there….cut your losses & go girl..he ain’t worth it,his not genuine.The fact that he says I thought we were done,& then he moves on immediately🙄🙄🙄SAYS ALOT…he is a LIAR,HE NEVER LOVED HER.

He reacted to her pushing him away.

She won't anwser when he ask does she want this to work out. Won't wear the ring. Wasn't really cheating.

He did not say he loves her.

Rachel is doing a great job playing the victim. I don’t believe she wanted to move forward with this relationship, and that she did say all those things to Tino to confuse him about whether they were really a couple or not. I believe the reason for Zach’s departure on Rachel’s season was because he finally saw Rachel for who she was. Good performance Rachel, you actually almost had me convinced that Tino was the one who was lying!!!

Honestly even Tino blindsided me this season. I thought he was the best fit for Rachel but apparently not. This conversation on screen is so cringe to watch

All Tino sympathizers hill me

This is truly better than the soaps of the 50s & 60s but, geez, do folks spend their time watching this instead of actually doing things?

Wether she wants to take responsibility or not, there are 2 sides to this situation and it's very clear. She started distancing herself from her fiancé, not wanting to do therapy which they probably agreed on. He felt left out. What would you do if your fiancé you found on a dating show wants space after filming stops? It's bizarre...the entire situation. And in this scene Rachel has no emotions, she's just acting for the cameras probably trying to get ratings up for the show. In real life a real couple would've given it a second shot analyzing the circumstances and cutting out the noise and outsiders so they can see if there is something worth saving. Seems like the guy didn't sleep with the girl, he kissed her then realized its a mistake, he belongs with Rachel. She was acting in favor of the show, letting her heart suffer. These leads are used if they not taking things in their own hands. Be the Matt James, who chose who he wanted irrespective of what producers wanted.

i think rachel is a manipulator. i think she is.

that is literally meryl streep or like a clone made out of her dna. she looks EXACTLY like meryl

Funny, how many guys did she kiss but when he kissed someone it's cheating.

He is a narcissit no accountability he is using word salad I hope she runs fast

They made a horrible couple. I never really liked Rachel. She doesn't seem that she would be a good girlfriend or wife. And Tino definitely would've cheated on her and made up stories to cover it because he is too hot for her.

No insurance for families with beta husbands

This just doesn’t feel right at all. Neither of them seem okay. This is just so off.

is this comment section real.......how are any of you finding any excuse to sanitize or rationalize what Tino did? he's literally a grown man and people still point to Rachel for the blame? Rachel was at home and he was off with another woman in a restaurant breaking every promise he made to her when he proposed. Hecould have broken off the engagement before he kissed another woman and broke Rachel's trust. Don't defend men like this when they would never defend women lol (like how people are pointing to Rachel for Tino's cheating.... he is just sorry because he got caught) :)

If a man will cheat on you when your engaged then he’s certainly going to cheat when he’s married

she doesn't have to tolerate him kissing someone else.

I'm not really a fan of Rachel but he kept calling the cheating as "tiny" I would be even more upset too. Not only did he cheat but no accountability

Yeah, they're both immature. Yeah, they both have issues. Yeah, they could've gone about this relationship differently. Still doesn't justify cheating.

Are they both high?! That was the weirdest conversation ever

Frankly, they are both immature. When Aven said that he didn’t want to rush an engagement, Rachel got upset because she wanted an engagement right away. That is a sign of immaturity and a red flag. Aven was right at that moment.

Omg I don't know these people, but she is coming across so toxic.

We got nothing out of this whole conversation 🤔

I really think rachel is someone else before camera abd behind…zach already saud that and now tino…not that its ok what he has done, but they played him much worse in my opinion…but…i dont like both of them…

Annnnd this is how “Lust” ends, not “Love”

I can't wait til their contracts are up and he goes on a podcast and spills the beans. lol.

Idk what it is but she's so cold and manipulative to me! Like You want the truth & got it but are still searching for something else argumentative (knowing he was codependency issues and has 1000 thoughts in his head but then again how do you really know a person after only a couple months)😭 TINO run & dont look back buddy cuz you need a different type loving😂😂😂

Even if this had not happened, they would not have lasted. I'm sorry, but Rachel is not very likeable. What Tino did was wrong, but she comes across as someone who isn't very compassionate or accommodating. Good luck to both of them in healing and moving on from this.

My take on this is that they're both beautiful humans but they both have some issues. and both have some manipulative tendencies. Perhaps that's why they were drawn to each other. They're somewhat similar in their personalities. Not being mean. I like them both but they both need to grow before they're ready.

Hmm...After what Zach said and now with what Tino's saying, I think Rachel's lying at least about some stuff. Cheating is wrong...but lying is also wrong. I would rather be with someone who messes up like Tino did but comes clean and says sorry than with someone who lies, can't own their mistake like Tino did, and is manipulative like Rachel. You can hear her almost finish saying, "You're not going to make me look like the bad guy." I think that very revealing...

“WE WERE ON A BREAK!”

ALWAYS LISTEN TO YOUR PARENTS ADVISE, SAME THING HAPPENED TO MITCHELL. NAYTEZ DAD TOLD HER HE'S NOT READY BUT SHE WENT AHEAD. ALL IN ALL I KNEW TINO WOULDN'T LAST AND AGAIN RACHEL IS SO MANUPULATIVE IN HER CHARACTER

I think she is a narcissist. He called her out. Thank god he journal's her bs. Zach was totally derailed by her as well. Left her in the fantasy suite. She is gaslighting.

He literally looks like handsome squidward 🤣🤣

Rachel is a big-time power player. it's tough to be her partner.

Cheating is wrong. 100%. And she’s not entitled to forgive him and regardless of what she did, cheating is wrong. If you’re unhappy, just leave, don’t cheat. But at the same time, I wouldn’t be surprised if Rachel was causing a lot of problems within their relationship as we all assumed she would based on her overall behavior this season. Whatever Rachel is behind the camera is one I think like Zach, Tino met.

I think Rachael has a lot of emotional issues and is not wanting to make her at fault as well. this doesnt makes sense to me. She is at fault too.

I’m on his side on this one.

I don’t think what he did was right but i understand him confiding in a ex who he has a connection with when he thought they were not together and kissed her i understand that accident and he told her he’d didn’t have to . She is ridiculous and wants to ruin him and make him look horrible but it made her look horrible I think instead. I don’t condone cheating but he kissed her he didn’t sleep with her that is a huge difference.

Rachel all season just felt so self centered, she made so many of the guys feel like they weren't loving her enough. She just seems like the type of person that constantly needs big gestures or else something is wrong. It also just seemed like no matter what Tino would've said or done, she was ready to walk out of that relationship, just like every time she met even a minor speed-bump on the show

I feel bad for Tino... he's having an anxiety attack and that's why hes acting the way he is. Its hard to think clearly

This is classic. A women wanting him to beg then him saying he wants to be with her only to break it off.

Right after the episode where Rachel had like a very strange personality with Zach I knew we had no idea who Rachel was behind closed doors. This is also evident here but much more during the live show. She didn't want him to explain where he was at and that she said she would return the ring she just wanted him to apologize and she would get her moment as the queen bee, I know it's tradition for bachelor nation to support the woman but she is wrong, and she was definitely gaslighting him. Tino deserves better.

I think Rachel took control of how this conversation will be by being pissed and dominating and not knowing where she is at fault in her miscommunication. I feel that Tino is kinda being put on the spot like he he being berated like a five year old . He seems scared of Rachel.

I’m glad Rachel dump him 🎉

i think rachel kinda gaslighted tino cause rachel wasnt sure of her feelings still.

Omg! It’s Kristin and Marcus old home in LA 😅😅 my mind is blown

I believe him. And he made total sence.

I don't believe Racheal. She is gaslighting him. Yikes!

All she heard when he started talking was I kissed another girl

I don't believe her. He is being gaslight and she's acting like a b word. And doesn't love him.

The audience of this show really loves the pile on. They're down his throat when he does something they don't agree with and now they're down hers when she does the same. Tino never really deserved the criticism to begin with

Seriously just from a kiss, you throw away your whole life

She is overbearing and wants to look good and doesnt want t let him say his truth.

5:50

This goes so deep. I think Tino felt the need to "act out" because Rachel stopped paying as much attention to him and he no longer felt loved because she needed so much space from him. She triggered his underlying codependency issues. His way of communicating his needs going unmet was to be unfaithful to Rachel because he was too codependent to just call off the engagement or wait it out to get answers at a later date. So I'm not condoning his behavior. But I see this as an attention seeking behavior. He wants to know if Rachel still cares as evidenced through her jealousy. This validates his codependent need to feel seen, desired, and valued as a man. He doesn't have the self esteem or communication skills necessary to be up front that although he loves her he can't just wait around for her to feel like being with her fiance now and then and then need a bunch of space and still expect him to hang around. We're all busy and tired adults. But when you're in love your significant other is a person you can't help but show desire for spending time with even if you're busy or tired. So it was feeling one sided for him and she gave him threats and ultimatums and his ego was fragile so he sought comfort elsewhere. Not a nice thing to do but also when you live in a narcissist's tornado you do tend to start treating others narcissistically trying to cone to grips and get out of the tornado as it swallows your soul🌪. She probably feels blind sided as she may have been used to partners sitting around waiting for her and staying loyal while she rejects and deflects blame onto them while they just take it in stride hoping she'll come back and give as much as she gave to the relationship during the love bombing phase. Neither are blameless and both need to be accountable but instead if coming clean in her behavior she is taking him over the coals for something he's taking ownership of. I mean he's being manipulative too but it's likely from a core wound of being raised by narcissists and he had to also act out to get his parents to pay attention to him so that he could verify if they still cared about him at all. If he even really ever mattered to his mom and dad or was he just a performing work horse to be abandoned and put out to pasture when not of use to anyone.

Rachel is a drama queen. If she really loved him, she would forgive but I don’t think either one of them are ready for a long term relationship.

Is that her house? It's really nice.

I’m in Tino’s corner on this one. Rachel said she wanted to understand why the situation had happened. She already knew her point of you. She should have been looking to understand Tinos frame of mind and what motivated him. To me, it looked like she had already made her mind up 100% and made no attempt whatsoever to understand his point of you. I hope she looks at this interview and sees her part. I’m afraid I don’t think that much of her anymore, which is a shame because I really did admire her at the start.

Team Rachel. Tino cheated on her period. If there were issues, he should have communicated with her, and if irreconcilable, end the engagement!

As a woman Rachel your crazy hunny you need some kind of therapy that's all what tino did was wrong but if men look at the bachelorette they wouldn't want to be with your because of your behaviour not only with tino but the other guys who choose to date you

Please do not bring her back.

Imagine needing therapy before the relationship is even official 😂. Rachel is a walking red flag.

She doesn't have the ring on

"WE WERE ON A BREAK!"

He cheated. Unless they officially broke up he had no excuse or reason to defend that.

This show is for poor people with poor families and no insurance...

So was Tino ever seen again cause her dad…..

I have a headache and I want to puke

I can’t stand Rachel I don’t like him ether but she played up for the camera so bad and it was very obvious I think gabby is a true honest person but not Rachael

Even after more than a year after watching this, it is terribly painful to see it again. What a Dumpster fire! It truly made me dislike Rachel for being so incredibly bullheaded and for how she treated Tino. What he did was wrong, true -- but he was APOLOGIZING. He didn’t have to admit it even happened, but he did. She clearly had no intention of ever trying to understand what happened at all -- she wanted to break up all along. She destroyed that poor guy, and it didn't bother her one bit -- that's obvious. A kiss in a bar isn't what I'd call cheating, and he apologized repeatedly. Nope, she never had any intention of staying with him; she wanted the drama and airtime. I had been such a fan of Rachel at first, but bit by bit, saw the red flags.

He looks too much like Justin Trudeau

Girl do not call God in your problems. You created those problems on your own. You are so immature going for the hot guys and Zach was there for you. You played Zach and ended up single after the show. You wanted fame and your was not in it for the right reason.

Tino's dad was right.

Racheal was upset at Tino with another girl, Well look hard Rachel you see your heart was for Tino, Well Logan heart was for Victoria Now you broke them up how does it feel...😭😰😩

She just wants more tv time lol

I think shes very intense impossible to communicate with. Wasnt the relationship on a break when this happened over what a kiss?

trash. karmic relationship thats all. get out of lessons and accept the one who really knows how to love:)!

I’m torn here - because on one hand, it was so clear from the start that there were literally a dozen guys better than Tino, and I just truly never saw what Rachel saw in him. She was clearly just most attracted to him, but he literally had so many red flags. Rachel, however; undoubtedly has manipulative tendencies and has a lot of things she needs to work on before committing to a relationship. it doesn’t justify Tino’s cheating, but They just flat out were not a good combination and this was bound to happen

She goes on a show yo date 50 dudes at the same time, but once she picks you, she is all you can see...Let her have a beta husband that she will cheat on and maybe after that guys gets fed up he sets their house on fire

it’s the gaslighting for me

He kissed another girl and is blaming her for it??

"I just want you" but kisses another girl. Boy bye.

I'd be Rachel in this convo for sure. I'd be pissed.

She sounds crazy. He needs to run.

Does she think she's perfect!

This show is what's wrong with women...Why is it still on? None of you are gonna be insured...

Hes a woose

He’s a gaslighter lol

The actual crocodile tears

Drama

TINOOOOO

She wanted to humiliate someone she 'loved' and made sure she called in the cameras so the world could see. Hope Tino is doing okay these days.

Lmaoo a girl before the show...