Radeon RX 7800 XT vs. GeForce RTX 4070, 45 Game Benchmark @ 1080p, 1440p & 4K

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00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
00:28 - Ad Spot
01:17 - Introduction + Test Specs
02:05 - Starfield
02:41 - Baldur’s Gate 3
03:13 - Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart
03:31 - Cyberpunk 2077
04:21 - The Callisto Protocol
04:57 - Fortnite
05:54 - Resident Evil 4
06:29 - Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered
06:58 - Hogwarts Legacy
07:48 - Star Wars Jedi Survivor
08:36 - 1080p [Mixed]
08:59 - 1080p [Rasterization]
09:18 - 1080p [Ray-Tracing]
09:37 - 1440p [Mixed]
09:52 - 1440p [Rasterization]
10:09 - 1440p [Ray-Tracing]
10:32 - 4K [Mixed]
11:09 - 4K [Rasterization]
11:29 - 4K [Ray-Tracing]
12:04 - Final Thoughts
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Radeon RX 7800 XT vs. GeForce RTX 4070, 45 Game Benchmark @ 1080p, 1440p & 4K
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@Totto70770 9 месяцев назад

Glad you mentioned prices outside the US. Prices in Europe make no sense either. Good AIB models for both cost the same: ~575-600 Euros. Almost seems like the 7800 XT is being intentionally overpriced by the sellers since it is expected to sell well.

@yentlvantendeloo2930 9 месяцев назад

where do you live in europe? Localy I see atleast a 60 euro difference in the amd cards favor.

@zacthegamer6145 9 месяцев назад

In Australia, both 7900 XTX and RTX 4080 cost almost the same.

@AR-ey1ur 9 месяцев назад

I'm from Europe and nobody is buying AMD GPUs here. You can see this clearly by the number of reviews left, among other things. Stocks are low and most AIB options simply aren't available at all. AMD CPUs also aren't popular (as compared to Intel), but notably more popular.

@TheRelixo1 9 месяцев назад

Come here to my stupid country (Hungary) where still 780 EUR the cheapest 6900XT and 650 EUR for 6800XT .... The 7800XT will be easily cost here to 720 EUR

@adolfodias83 9 месяцев назад

Don't forget in Europe you have to account with taxes so the start price point will be the more or less the price you mentioned

@DDX1944 9 месяцев назад

Only Hardware Unboxed would say "15 games" is too small a sample, like bro u guys are amazing

@ChrisMisMYhandle 9 месяцев назад

Like bro

@xKamiiii 9 месяцев назад

it is too small

@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventure 9 месяцев назад

@@xKamiiii nice try. Maybe make a better fake account next time, Hardware Unboxed

@xKamiiii 9 месяцев назад

@@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventure ?

@junyaiwase 8 месяцев назад

@@xKamiiiishes joking that you are HU making an alt account because most people think 15 games is a well enough sample size

@TheStateOfEarth 9 месяцев назад

I think the extra vram could be the deciding factor for longevity. Way back in the day I got the rx480 with 8gb of vram and that ended up being the far better choice than the 4gb version since I used the card for more than 6 years.

@fkim8449 9 месяцев назад

Wel I played with my r9 fury till 2022 😳 cyberpunk 1080p everything low 60fps that was the time....

@Humanaut. 9 месяцев назад

Same. I am actually still using my 480.

@suramabhopali7921 9 месяцев назад

I still use rx 580

@chilldude30 9 месяцев назад

True, although I still feel 12gb is fine for 1440p gaming for a long time. 8gb is a problem though of course.

@tumultoustortellini 9 месяцев назад

Afaik, you can use ram as vram if you find a way to set it up. That could pass the vram issue easy. Especially with how cheap ram kits are, I don't think this problem will be too influential, if you've already got more than 8.

@MrAtthedrivein925 9 месяцев назад

Awesome benchmarks! Thank you Steve for all you do

@AthanImmortal 9 месяцев назад

Welcome back Steve! Thanks for such a thorough test. Didn't actually expect it to be this close, I wonder if some of the wins for 7800XT were also in part because of the higher memory bus bandwidth not just the extra 4gb?

@furieux6742 9 месяцев назад

Look 4k fortinte. 1fps difference. Its bus width the problem. No ram.

@rustler08 9 месяцев назад

@@furieux6742 To be fair, Fortnite has shit optimization for AMD. The 7800XT is an objectively superior GPU in terms of rasterization, offering over 10% more performance in benchmarks. What you're seeing in 4K is just brute-forcing the shitty title with more power and more memory. Same thing for Hogwarts Legacy.

@papineau4518 9 месяцев назад

@@rustler08 just wait for drivers it's gonna open the true potential of this card

@AdrianValenciaYT 9 месяцев назад

@@rustler08 Fortnite has shit optimization.* It stutters even on a 4090, so don't try to make amd a martyr here. 😅

@slickrounder6045 9 месяцев назад

Both advantages help, but that would mainly be at 4k and only sometimes in 1440p.

@osardegozar2581 9 месяцев назад

This is a great comparison video indeed. Also I'm glad you mentioned pricing situations outside the U.S. Just as in Australia, 7800XT costs as much as 4070 in Japan.

@arbernuka3679 9 месяцев назад

So what ...id take 7800xt over 4070 anyday even if it was more expesive for 50-100$. More vram (more future prof), faster and only 2% slower on RT even tho most of us dont care for RT, its a no brainer choice.

@Eleganttf2 9 месяцев назад

@@arbernuka3679you're clearly blindly missing out some points in the conclusion do you ? Also not everyone is just looking for gaming performance, power efficiency especially in EU and not to mention productivity task is still HORRID for AMD

@osardegozar2581 9 месяцев назад

@@arbernuka3679 I understand it's no brainer for you. Other people, however, may also consider power efficiency. 4070 is more power efficient, which also implies it's generally quieter. Besides, higher prices outside the U.S. means its price advantage over 4070 does not exist outside the U.S., irrespective of the fact that some individuals prefer 7800 XT even under that condition.

@arbernuka3679 9 месяцев назад

@@Eleganttf2 you seem to have missed more than me, you realise 7900xt is basically on par with 4080 in terms of productivity ? After updates and updates 7900xt was only 5 % behind same as in gaming dude. Amd this gen is way better than last gen in productivity, read more and talk less. And yeah this channel especialy this video is ALL FOR GAMING so stop commenting nonsene about producivity or smth else ngreedia fanboy.

@golgol4903 9 месяцев назад

@@arbernuka3679guess you got cheap electricity then.

@CRBarchager 9 месяцев назад

Thank for you for the review. Getting really close to the magic 1m subs. Grats.

@jinty83 9 месяцев назад

Great video as usual Steve, keep up the good work. The difference in pricing in the UK seems to be similar to the US which is great. Hopefully this happens in more regions once more stock appears of the new cards. Wouldn't it be nice if Intel could make a competing Battlemage card in it's next generation. Even more competition on pricing would benefit us all.

@keech100 9 месяцев назад

Just more :(

@kevinyoliveira68 9 месяцев назад

But sadly Intel not will sell sufficient cards, they can beat AMD and Nvidia in price per performance ratio, but idk why don't

@chy.0190 8 месяцев назад

"The difference in pricing in the UK seems to be similar to the US which is great" They are the same price though, or £10 difference at times.

@jinty83 8 месяцев назад

@@chy.0190 at the moment yes but that isn't always the case. Prices can fluctuate quite a bit although in some parts of the world the difference is astronomical which is awful.

@wesnickle 9 месяцев назад

Great review, I ended up going with the RX 7800 XT, I was deciding between that and the RTX 4070 (I play at 1440p) but between the $100 lower price tag, the better rasterization performance, the additional VRAM and bus width, and the free copy of Starfield, the 7800 XT was an easy choice.

@donloder1 9 месяцев назад

which AIB gave out the free copies? edit: welp it ended on the 28th

@avs_ytb 9 месяцев назад

I would have preferred 4070 just because of the power efficiency. I have noticed that it consumes literally 40-50% more power while performing similarly. Electricity Bills will just coverup the additional proce of 4070 in 3-4 months. But maybe in the long run the 16GB Vram will be much helpful but 4070's DLSS 3.5 is next level.

@collinsorrells-yl4fi 8 месяцев назад

@@avs_ytb The difference game to game is less than 50 watts... So more like 3 or 4 years to recoup that difference even if you game like 40 hours a week. Also the overwhelming majority of 7800 xt's are reporting to easily under volt by a considerable amount with no performance loss or even performance gains. There's a whole sub reddit questioning why the stock voltage is so high with most people running thier cards around 200 watts.

@zetterburger 6 месяцев назад

Getting Starfield is a negative

@TheLongWind 6 месяцев назад

If you pay $5-10 more can you let them keep Starfield?

@goldenpanda7004 9 месяцев назад

I'm personally getting a 7800XT, I work for a PC build/repair shop and all my co-workers have NVIDIA GPUs. It'll be interesting to have direct experience with Radeon cards to be able to more confidently suggest them

@bryanyokofich5021 9 месяцев назад

As someone who owns both I can say that I like Radeon a bit more. The software alone is is much better than nvidias IMO

@maxism5454 9 месяцев назад

That's actually a smart move

@officialteaincorporated243 9 месяцев назад

@@bryanyokofich5021It certainly has more features but that doesn't make it better. Despite amd software being much improved over the years, it still isn't quite there in stability and nvidias is much less prone to issues. Especially at the launch of cards (like the power issues with the 7900xt/xtx

@bryanyokofich5021 9 месяцев назад

@@officialteaincorporated243 I agree with you but user experience varies. Nvidia drivers have been good to me but so have AMDs. I’ve never had a problem with driver issues with either card. Just my 2 cents.

@bryanyokofich5021 9 месяцев назад

@@Navi_xoo I’ve never had any issues with Adrenaline but you are right I was talking in reference to Adrenaline Vs GeForce experience I should have probably clarified. I will agree that DLSS is better than FSR but some people in the space don’t care about either. They would rather just have a clean native image rather than rely on any upscaling tech. Same thing for RT many people don’t seem to care at all about it because no matter if it’s GeForce or Radeon card is going to have massive performance hits. Just trying to make a point that there is a market for these GPUs and while there are downsides to Radeon there are plenty of downsides to GeForce as-well such as Micron memory on 20 series cards, crippling vram limitations as cards age compared to Radeon counterparts, GTX 970 “4gb” of vram, etc. I have not used chill or boost so I can’t comment but anti lag feels great in GPU limited scenarios. Just some of my thoughts on this age old debate lol

@johnnymaynard299 9 месяцев назад

Thanks Steve, always good stuff. Keep um coming.

@jamienoonan1186 9 месяцев назад

Great comparison, thanks for all the hard work.

@xpk0228 9 месяцев назад

In Taiwan 7800XT is 80 USD below 4070, but there are only 1 model in stock. AMD GPUs generally does not sell well in the first year of being on shelves here, as the price is not low enough to make people notice. however they discount very agressive late into the generation, where 5700XT and 6700XT both got below 300 USD a few months before the new generation launched. (early 2020 for 5700XT and summer 2022 for 6700XT)

@Farded_ 9 месяцев назад

That’s just usual for rdna2 rdna1 was extremely price competitive for its entire life cycle and a big factor to why that happened with rdna2/6700 xt is from overstock and the gpu shortages

@slayerr4365 9 месяцев назад

I don't think amd gpu sell well for the first year anywhere in the world because it's well known amd tactic that they price cut by 10%/20%/50% 3-12 months after a release of every gpu. The 7800 xt is the first card they released where the price has been pre cut for release so people know it won't go lower for once (so it's a safe buy). For some reason they forgot to pre cut the price of the 7700 xt though lol

@danborg1228 Месяц назад

5700xt i buyed it in swe 2018 still using it did not even cost 350 dollars back then

@bongi6811 9 месяцев назад

Great video and benchmarks! I've seen a lot of people argue about the 7800xt vs. the 4070, saying that one is obviously much better then the other until some realized that they had completely different ideas about the price of both cards since local pricing is all over the place. This is why it's important to look into what GPUs you can get where you live in your desired price range and then look at reviews and benchmarks of those GPUs to determine which one is the best for you.

@azazeltheforgotten 9 месяцев назад

Has been the case for a really long time now, I really wanted an rtx 3070 when it was announced but ended up buying a rx6700 xt since it performed really similar and costed about 200$ less in Mexico when I purchased it

@rustler08 9 месяцев назад

Even if local pricing is the same, the 7800XT is 10% faster already and will likely see increases to performance over time with newer drivers (remember that the 6900XT dropped in 2021 doing like 17,000 in timespy and now does over 21,000). On top of that you get 33% more VRAM. Unless you're buying for AI applications, you are really wasting money on NVIDIA

@bongi6811 9 месяцев назад

@@rustler08 I mostly agree with that, but I've seen people saying the 7800xt is up to $30 more expensive where they live along with some people highly valuing RT and DLSS. There are definitely still situations were the 4070 could make sense, but overall I agree that the 7800xt looks better for most people.

@crackajacka87 8 месяцев назад

@@rustler08 If you play games a lot then the 40 series Nvidia is a very tempting choice as it's low energy usage saves you money in the long term and I live in the UK where energy prices more than doubled here so I will probably get the 4070 as I will probably save money for similar performance long term.

@tvb7461 5 месяцев назад

@@bongi6811 in my country the 4070 is 100 euro expensive than the 7800xt

@neoaliens8635 9 месяцев назад

Welcome back Steve and I've come fast to welcome you back and watch your video fast! As ALWAYS and as the way it should be!

@AgentSmith911 9 месяцев назад

Excellent review as always 👍🏻

@grimdicer152 9 месяцев назад

Glad to see Steve feeling much better.

@danburycollins 9 месяцев назад

Awesome vidoe - given the similar performance of these two cards - a question for me is how much I should factor in the higher Vram in the AMD offering - in terms of longevity in the future. Also whether poorer performance in titles such as cyberpunk with RT might be somehting that future patches (of game or more likely gpu drivers) could mitigate.

@jwiz1911 9 месяцев назад

Thanks Steve! Glad you are feeling better!

@frank.bullitt 9 месяцев назад

Another awesome video from the Benchmarking God. I purchased a Tuf 4070 OC for $1050 AUD. Very happy with my purchase. Thanks for the recommendation

@andrewcross5918 9 месяцев назад

Great review and glad that you are better now. With the bar charts for the overall averages could you perhaps switch from blue for all to some kind of coloured system to indicate sub 30 FPS, 30-60 FPS, 60-90 FPS, 90-120 FPS and 120+ FPS. As you point out in the 4k RT data most of the frame rates are really low so seeing some kind of visual indication of where that lands might be a good addition.

@-Devy- 9 месяцев назад

Right, because just looking at the bars and reading the numbers is too difficult?

@andrewcross5918 9 месяцев назад

@@-Devy- yea when they are showing the % delta on the summaries rather than the individual benchmarks it is hard to tell the actual frame rate... hence why I said for the 'overall averages'

@XBnPC 9 месяцев назад

Very happy to see Steve back as well as strong competition in the mid-range GPU market! This is great news for gamers! FSR 3 SOON PLEASE 🙏

@TheRealSkeletor 9 месяцев назад

You consider this a mid-range GPU? I would consider any GPU over $500 to be high-end, though obviously not top-tier in today's market.

@manpan1 8 месяцев назад

@@TheRealSkeletor well yea this is mid range, a starter tier gpu is anywhere between 100-350, a mid tier gpu would be anywhere from 400-750, and a high end gpu would bee 800 - 2000

@ninja1man4u 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for the review hub. I hope that Steve is feeling better!

@mallonox 9 месяцев назад

Thank You! It's extremely important that you addressed the pricing situation outside of US.

@kysierkevin 5 месяцев назад

They did not mention a critical data lacking here and that is power consumption. The RX 7800 XT is drawing at 200-240W on average at 1440P gaming while a RTX 4070 is at 155-170W at 1440P with the same Graphic Preset and at more/less the same FPS. In a month you can save as much as $100-$200 depending on where you live and how much kw/h your electricity monthly bill is

@chilldude30 9 месяцев назад

At the same price, I'd say it mostly come down to whether you value the Nvidia software features and RT performance over the extra 4gb VRAM. I do prefer DLSS over FSR 2 but maybe FSR 3 will redress that.

@pjd0ioas 8 месяцев назад

I'd also add electricity prices depending on how high they are in your area, how long you have your PC on and how long you game. I pay a lot for electricity, so that's also an important point for me.

@exgaryex 9 месяцев назад

best comparison video I ever seen. thank you

@Modverse 9 месяцев назад

i love your guys intro its so soothing

@perlichtman1562 9 месяцев назад

I currently have both the 7800 XT and 4070 and there are usage cases where each is better. For gaming (outside of especially heavy RT in games like Cyberpunk 2077), 4X upscaling 4K video in Topaz Video AI, video editing and 3D/2D apps with good AMD support, I have been preferring the 7800 XT. For upscaling video at more normal resolutions in Topaz Video AI and for 3D modeling work in applications that heavily favor Nvidia (like Blender) or that don’t support AMD, I have been preferring the 4070. Overall, I would give the edge to AMD unless you do a lot of 3D modeling/animation/rendering.

@duxnihilo 9 месяцев назад

What if you lived in a country where the 4070 were slightly cheaper?

@tryfergoodra552 9 месяцев назад

@@duxnihiloThen the 4070 is a no brainer , at the same price the 4070 wins by small margin tho, unless you want to play in 4k but both cards are very weak for 4k

@duxnihilo 9 месяцев назад

@@tryfergoodra552 My is AMD so weirdly priced outside of the US? :/

@duxnihilo 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for the answer, though.

@surajprakash3181 8 месяцев назад

hi, I m looking to buy either 4070 or 7800xt for ue5 and blender work, would u say 7800 is kinda not so good at handling those softwares? in comparison to 4070. In my country 4070 Gigabyte AERO costs 62,350 rupees and the 7800XT Sapphire NITRO+ costs 60,000 rupees, 28 USD cheaper.

@olnnn 9 месяцев назад

Have you considered revisiting how these compare in a more cpu-limited scenario and if the AMD cards still have an advantage there? That could also have some impact on a buying decision on a mid-range card.

@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventure 9 месяцев назад

I'm incorrect. If you are CPU bottlenecked then it will give the same fps because your CPU cannot send enough frames to the GPU for rendering to begin with. You see what I mean? If the GPU cannot render the frames fast enough then the CPU will quickly finish its work and wait idle. Same goes vice versa. If CPU cannot keep pace with GPU then GPU will render whatever workload it has been given and then sit idle until more work is given. That's why when testing GPUs, reviewers do not use weak CPUs, or even mid range CPUs. Because if your CPU can only give 40 frames to the GPU for rendering, the GPU will just sit idle after finishing 40 frames. Meaning both Nvidia and AMD cards will give 40 frames.

@nou4605 9 месяцев назад

@@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventureYou missed his point and wrote a huge ass paragraph. AMD GPU drivers have a lower CPU overhead. Meaning being everything else equal in a CPU limited scenario the AMD card will give your CPU more breathing room.

@Dracossaint 9 месяцев назад

@@nou4605just to back this up, this was also demonstrated previously on hardware unboxed as well.

@samk7500 9 месяцев назад

@@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventure this is a completely incorrect understanding of how CPUs work. There is no static "40 frames", it's a CPU that works in conjunction with a GPU and the rest of the PC to try run your game smoothly. Drivers are a specialized form of software. Lighter software puts less demand on the CPU. If your CPU is maxed out, you are likely taking a performance hit as your system is now CPU bottlenecked. HUB, Daniel Owens, and many others have already benchmarked and shown that Nvidia drivers do indeed use more CPU due to driver overhead since the software that actually drives the AMD/Nvidia GPU is quite different.

@RafitoOoO 9 месяцев назад

@@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventurebig wooosh

@borisp6035 9 месяцев назад

exactly on point and all te charts you need

@hammerheadcorvette4 9 месяцев назад

0:30 I'm interested in seeing more of the Galium Nitride technologies coming to market. It will definitely make carrying power banks, charge stations and other peripherals more bearable.

@ElladanKenet 9 месяцев назад

I think it really depends on the games you play. Pick whichever GPU does better in the game you play most often, at the settings you prefer. They're close to parity performance wise.

@ValkisCalmor 9 месяцев назад

At the weird pricing outside of the U.S., sure. If you're seeing them at MSRP, performance parity with a $100 price gap gives us an obvious answer. 'Course if you're not desperate for a GPU right this instant, you can always wait and see if NVidia adjusts pricing in response.

@ElladanKenet 9 месяцев назад

@@ValkisCalmor Less obvious than you think. Hence why I said it depends on your game and settings, because surprising noone, Nvidia will do better with anything needing raytracing. For $100, anyone interested in raytracing shouldn't even consider AMD as an option. But if you don't care, then yeah, AMD is clearly the better value.

@Dempig 9 месяцев назад

@@ElladanKenet For ray tracing , you shouldnt consider anything other than a 4090, and even then the 4090 is far too weak for native resolution gaming with rtx. If you're buying a rtx 4070 for ray tracing , you WILL be dissapointed.

@ValkisCalmor 9 месяцев назад

@@ElladanKenet Did we watch the same video? The RT performance was still pretty comparable in most games. I don't know if many people are planning to play Cyberpunk exclusively for the next four years.

@ValkisCalmor 9 месяцев назад

@@Dempig Eh, that's only really true at 4k. A lot of us are targeting 1440p, and you can get pretty good RT performance out of the 4070Ti and 7900XT at that resolution. Easily 60+ and usually 100+.

@Celis.C 9 месяцев назад

I'm curious how the latest gen (including cpu etc.) compares to cards that probably a lot of people might still be rocking, like the gtx1070, gtx1080, rtx2060, Vega 56, Vega 64, Radeon VII and the like

@Bobblybook 9 месяцев назад

I'm about to upgrade to a 7800xt from an hd7950.. waited so long the model numbers overflowed and rolled back around 🤣

@PineyJustice 9 месяцев назад

@@Bobblybook At that point you need to wait for the 7950xtx refresh. Keep things consistent

@IKILLER147 9 месяцев назад

I will be upgrrading from GTX 1070 to RX 7800XT for UWQHD gaming and work

@Bobblybook 9 месяцев назад

@PineyJustice Honestly I would do something petty like this just to have the numbers match up, but it would be so overpriced I would have to pass even if they released one sadly

@bumpsy 9 месяцев назад

I'm getting the 7800 xt and am currently running the 1060 6GB. Mainly to upgrade to 1440p in modern games :)

@dIggl3r 9 месяцев назад

(wow Ugreen went hard, I've seen their SAME add on ALL the major hardware/news channels this past week)

@andym975 9 месяцев назад

Great summary and overview of both cards! I'm wondering if the lower stock of the 7800 XT is both a marketing and PR ploy by limiting launch availability of the 7800 XT compared to the 7700 XT at only $50 less. They get the PR of a sold out of the higher tier card on launch day, better performance to their price-comparable alternative from Nvidia, while also providing a 'reasonable' alternative with the more plentiful 7700XT. That being said, at $50-100 more for a 4070, this is entirely on Nvidia with their mid-tier pricing.

@drwalka10 9 месяцев назад

"7800 XT is both a marketing and PR ploy by limiting launch availability of the 7800 XT compared to the 7700 XT at only $50 less." ... You have any more conspiracies ?

@The_Noticer. 9 месяцев назад

Starfield being AMD sponsored will likely have nothing to do with nvidia's lackluster performance. More to do with the high CPU usage. Much like tessellation used to cripple AMD. Hogwartz legacy and Cyberpunk, and jedi survivor are also CPU demanding titles aswell. Lo and behold, same discrepancy... Assassin's creed valhalla has GPU geometry shaders, resulting in 100K+ drawcalls per second. No doubt the Nvidia driver absolutely flatlines here. So it would be nice if the game's perfomance would be explained technically, instead of based on team green or red, like something nefarious is going on...

@jontyhood 9 месяцев назад

I mean… Look at how intel had no access to the game and thus it’s driver was (and still kind of is) broken at launch. This isn’t a team red vs team green debacle, just that game exclusivity seems to hinder driver development from the other vendors, a bad thing for all gamers (see Portal RTX, nvidia partner). So there’s definitely more too it I reckon.

@PriestPoppy 9 месяцев назад

I mean, the game did not work at all on Intel GPU because Intel received the game the day people could access it, this meant basically no time to iron out a driver.

@K5Legion 9 месяцев назад

Nvidia is also cutting costs over time to optimization of their own drivers. Even if it wasn't AMD sponsored, I doubt we'd be seeing much if *any* optimization based improvements.. It sucks for everyone, unfortunately.

@The_Noticer. 9 месяцев назад

@@Tracenji You dont just magically sprinkle optimization dust onto a game dude. It all depends on what is being displayed. The Havok engine is quite capable with respects to physics simulation, go check some video's with people memeing milk cartons everywhere. Secondly, if there is a lot of geometry, there will be a lot of drawcalls to throughput which is notoriously a weak point of Nvidia. If you look at Assassin's creed valhalla, that uses the GPU to compute the geometry, but it results in the CPU having to create very small drawcalls for each of them, and it can run into 100K+ drawcalls. Which INCREASE with resolution. Hence at 4K, the 7800XT absolutely annihilates the Nvidia GPU which has to do all these drawcalls through their clunky driver with no hardware support. Especially if the calculations are interdependent its difficult to multithread. And high CPU load just cripples Nvidia at the moment. All the games it does particularly poorly in, in this test are all high CPU load games. (open world, lots of calculations, physics, geometry, AI etc).

@The_Noticer. 9 месяцев назад

@@K5Legion Not only that, I dont think without completely revising their driver, and adding scheduling hardware on their architecture, that they will be able to make many gains through software alone. I think in the short term, Nvidia's performance in rasterization will be incredibly lacklustre in modern games built from the ground-up with next-gen ryzen consoles in mind (more CPU usage), which is why they're pushing their meme AI and RT. It's the only thing they can do with what they have...

@UNr34 9 месяцев назад

Nice to see how much AMD has improved RT performance.

@korhanaydemir8366 9 месяцев назад

Cyberpunk RT Nvidia is still 57% faster than AMD.

@truedps8 9 месяцев назад

@@korhanaydemir8366 So? Sounds like a CDPR specific issue then? Something the dev needs to fix, not AMD.

@PineyJustice 9 месяцев назад

@@korhanaydemir8366 CDPR is highly nvidia sponsored and RT is implemented in the most pro nvidia anti AMD way possible for them. Meanwhile tech that actually matters in UE5 lumen the gap is nonexistent or favors AMD. Nvidia's specific RT tech has no legs, lumen will be in most games coming out for the next year.

@ThunderingRoar 9 месяцев назад

I mean let's be real NV sponsored games push ray tracing really hard (CP77, Dying light 2, Alan wake 2, Portal RTX, Metro Exodus, Control etc) and these are pretty much the best looking RT games since they usually have RT global illumination and in these games NV gpus have a big advantage. On the other hand AMD sponsored games only have ray traced shadows and/or reflections and thats about it. Its the type of games where you barely notice the difference between RT on or off. So with less demanding ray tracing they re gonna be on equal ground UE5 and lumen will be a different story tho

@mareklolo9357 9 месяцев назад

@@PineyJustice Nvidia raytraycing/DLSS technology (rescale, denoiser, pathtraycing for RTX effects) is more advanced compared to lumen from epic.

@Belfor09 9 месяцев назад

Glad to see you Steve going strong! You one beautiful creature! :D

@howie3601 9 месяцев назад

My 7800xt will be here in a couple of days. Just got the 7800x3d cpu yesterday. Hyped for the new upgrade. I'm going from a 8700k and gtx 1080

@Teh-Penguin 9 месяцев назад

This channel is a dream for all the comparison nerds out there(me). Thanks for all your hard work!

@JamieR 9 месяцев назад

That was a perfectly timed release for my search 😂 Thanks for the amazing content HWU!

@yippykayak5842 9 месяцев назад

They’ve just started coming in to stock for a decent price in the UK. I was about to buy the asus dual 4070 but picked up the sapphire pure 7800xt for about £70 less

@davidlefranc6240 9 месяцев назад

Good job as usual!

@CsQ_RandomRepository 9 месяцев назад

I see that the Australian pricing has the RTX 4070 and the RX 7800 XT evenly matched as well. IN South Korea, this is also the case with the price gap of the cheapest of each being just 10,000 won (about $7.53). The weak price-to-performance argument for the RX 7800 XT is made even weaker when factoring that some popular online games in South Korea, such as PUBG, tend to perform noticeably worse on AMD GPUs. Needless to say, AMD GPUs are still having a rough time here.

@leonro 9 месяцев назад

I would argue that you don't really _need_ the extra performance in lighter titles like pubg where you'll be getting something like over 200fps either way. But it's indeed tough to justify a 7800XT at the same price point as the 4070, because the 4GB of extra VRAM isn't a whole lot, and that's its main selling point.

@rustler08 9 месяцев назад

@@leonro First off, that "JUST" 4GB more is 33% more VRAM, which is not a statically insignificant amount. Second, that 4GB of extra VRAM can and will be the difference between a choppy, horribly unstable FPS experience and one where you have to lower settings because NVIDIA cheaped out on that not "a whole lot". This isn't a 1080P card with excess VRAM like the 3060 12GB was. You're out here discredit major differences as though they're trifling, and it really just shows either you don't know what you're talking about and/or you have a massive bias.

@mjkittredge 9 месяцев назад

I imagine that performance will improve soon with driver updates. These are new cards after all

@leonro 9 месяцев назад

@@rustler08 Mate, my current GPU is an RX 6800. It's "just" 4GB because 12GB will likely be enough for good a while to set any game at max settings, or at the very least close to it. It's not the same massive difference as when Nvidia had an 8GB 3070 (Ti as well) and a 10GB 3080 going against 16GB AMD cards. And that was at a time when 8GB was already close to being maxed out in games. Yes, it's still a difference that matters, but will the difference between ultra and high textures be enough to offset Nvidia's better RT, software solutions, and brand recognition? I wanted to say "I don't think so", but it should be a straight-up "No!". At the very least, not when the 7800XT and 4070 are being sold at the exact same price. I'd consider it a toss-up if the 7800XT was cheaper by 5-10% - any less of a difference and Nvidia wins, any more and AMD wins.

@busetgadapet 9 месяцев назад

2023 and you still play pubg lmao

@gameison4813 9 месяцев назад

I ended up buying 4070 cuz it was cheaper than 7800xt for me. It should be more expensive but it wasn't and i ain't overpaying for amd for sure, especially when they are sold out and next batch is getting even more expensive. 4070 were in stock for quite some time and below msrp and my currency lost value but they didn't raised price. I also managed to get good discount. 7800xt pricing was affected by currency rate change and i would have to pay roughly 100 euro more in my currency to get 7800xt and they ain't even in stock so i would have to wait for a week or so.

@gamesmaster1060 9 месяцев назад

Cope

@TakumisBizarreRacingAdventure 9 месяцев назад

@@gamesmaster1060we all do, son

@papalazarou7880 9 месяцев назад

Great video as always. I’m getting the 7800 XT, happy Christmas to me. My son has the 4070 and he loves it, he mainly plays Fortnite DX 12 at 1440p. My daughter has the 3070 and that’s still a great card!

@VividEsportsFN 6 месяцев назад

That's great to hear, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. At first, I was leaning towards the 7800 xt because of its great performance and cost, but then I realised the RTX 4070 is better for Fortnite which I mainly play, so i went with that. Merry Christmas!

@farmertech51 8 месяцев назад

Thank you for the info in this video. What GPU do you think would be best for Microsoft Flight Simulator in VR?

@MugRuith 9 месяцев назад

One thing I'm very curious about but content creators and tech analysts never seem to discuss is the difference between GPU models. I want to know how the sound and thermals and housing quality differ between the 7800 AMD reference card and the different models made by Sapphire and PowerColor and XFX and the rest.

@TheRealSkeletor 9 месяцев назад

There are plenty of websites which review the different models of each GPU and compare them to the reference models, though they're usually in the form of text articles with embedded images (graphs), rather than videos, so you're unlikely to find many of those reviews here on RU-vid.

@da1punisher 9 месяцев назад

I ordered the Hellhound 7800XT from Amazon here in the U.S. I guess that is a definitive statement concerning which I'd choose. Here it comes with premium Starfield too, so for U.S. buyers that factors into the value equation. I know it did for me.

@GroundedTech 9 месяцев назад

If I hadn't built a PC with the 4070 a few months back I would have snapped up that 7800 XT. Great video.

@21stcg17 9 месяцев назад

Wish you a swift recovery Steve! Can hear your voice crack at 5:56 😰

@bryantallen703 9 месяцев назад

Just picked up a RX 6800XT Nitro+ for $380. I would stick with the 6000 series. They also support FP16 half Floats which doubles FP32 compute. The 3000 and 4000 series from nPIGIA does not. it does help in some games. FP16 helps in games like Mass Effect: Andromeda and Far Cry 4,5 and 6 for example.

@user-jj4bv5yk5k 6 месяцев назад

Ordered the same card, can't wait😅

@user-fe2oh8oj2u 9 месяцев назад

Special thanks for including CSGO. I hope you will include and test CS2 when it is released officially. Also, thank you for showing raster and RT graphs separately. Pure gold. Great content as always.

@letsdig74 9 месяцев назад

I like that you brought up the pricing model is different outside the US, meaning the card is not as good value i Europe for example. Adding to that a higher power draw, this card will struggle on the market after the initial launch sale. Thanks again for very rigorous testing.

@combo9114 8 месяцев назад

Great review, really interesting stats. I think one missing point here is that upscaling using DLSS usually outclasses FSR in every way possible, in every game that have both implementations. For example, FSR at Quality very often looks WORSE than DLSS using Performance. Not to mention having additional Nvidia features like Frame Gen, Ray Reconstruction, and DLAA. As mentioned frequently by people like Digital Foundry, the image quality of the upscaler really needs to be a factor in comparisons because sharing raw benchmark numbers doesn't paint a full picture for consumers. While image quality comparisons would obviously introduce more subjectivity, I think at this point it's an essential piece of the puzzle.

@tony_T_ 8 месяцев назад

FSR 3 exists and it's way better than whatever AMD had earlier

@combo9114 8 месяцев назад

You’re mistaken here. FSR 3 doesn’t have, or use, any improvements to the upscaling already present in FSR 2. It adds a Frame Generation feature that interpolates and generates new frames to increase the frame rate, similar to Nvidia’s DLSS 3.0 Frame Gen. It does not improve image quality in the slightest (and just like Nvidia Frame Gen, arguably reduces image quality)

@spacedock873 9 месяцев назад

One thing you didn't mention in buying decisions is size - neither the RX7700XT nor the RX7800XT is available as a dual slot board, making them unsuitable for most SFF builds. The fact that the RTX4070 draws less power and so is available as a dual slot card may also be a factor for some people.

@t5kcannon1 9 месяцев назад

Great content; thanks! I got a 7800xt on pre-order (£480 for a 7800xt, vs £560 for a 4070, UK pricing). I guess the price difference will continue to narrow. Regardless, the amd's extra vram is certainly nice.

@gamesmaster1060 9 месяцев назад

I thought the 4070 was £570?

@Yahya-X 9 месяцев назад

I'm guessing you've pre ordered the Sapphire Pulse 7800 XT from Scan as i've also pre ordered the same for £480.

@IronWarden 9 месяцев назад

I also have a 7800xt on pre-order for £480 but just spotted a 4070 for £530 and now I'm torn between them both.

@t5kcannon1 9 месяцев назад

@@Yahya-X Spot on! Scan pre-order, due in stock 30th September (hopefully).

@t5kcannon1 9 месяцев назад

@@gamesmaster1060 Going for £560 on Amazon today.

@jasonleslie9494 9 месяцев назад

Love the video thanks 2.1 hdmi is king for my lgc2

@eldorian91 9 месяцев назад

I bought my 7800xt on day one based purely on the thumbnail on your day one review, glad to see that your followup big review justified the purchase lol.

@AstralPhnx 8 месяцев назад

Interesting thing about the price you mentioned. Hilariously, just over the ditch here in New Zealand it's the polar opposite with the 7800XT undercutting the cheapest 4070 by a not insignificant 131 dollars. So over here it's literally no contest the 7800XT is just the go to lmao

@wayward03 8 месяцев назад

My older GPU just died so instead of waiting for the next gen I just pulled the trigger on a mid tier 7800xt. Should be good for maxing out 1440p for a little while.

@chriswebbtech 9 месяцев назад

Nvidia's software across the board is superior. Not just DLSS and driver support, but Nvidia Broadcast tools are awesome etc. Still if you don't use any of that, the AMD seems the way to go.

@larsvassenjansen1651 9 месяцев назад

It's a much of a muchness, as MSRP in Oz, and many other countries outside the U.S, means it's basically a coin flip for whoever's interested in one of these two cards. May be worth comparing the performance of these two versus past gen' high performers, in a similar price-band, like (maybe) the RTX 3080, and the RX 6800 XT. I guess the reason would be to gauge the possible lifespan of owning the older sku's. Great benchmarking work as ever, Steve!

@thegoldenraptor 5 месяцев назад

Hardware Unboxed to the rescue as always

@leakyabstraction 9 месяцев назад

These UGreen products seem quite impressive, and the design is really nice

@hammerheadcorvette4 9 месяцев назад

Galium Nitride finally coming to the mainstream. Interested in it's specs.

@photonboy999 9 месяцев назад

*RTX4070 user... my 2 cents* When I bought my RTX4070, the AMD comparison was the RX-6800XT. The POWER DRAW under gaming was 300W vs 200W for the RTX4070 (my room gets WARM so power draw matters a lot). The price in Canada was also slightly HIGHER. Aside from VRAM the AMD card didn't offer much. Ray-tracing to me isn't a deal-breaker but it matters. If I was comparing an RTX4070 now with an RX-7800XT I'd need to think much harder about it if the RX-7800XT was cheaper. Power draw 250W (vs 200W). Not really a factor... FSR3? Too bad I can't compare so that's a tough one. CUDA? Matters but not a deal breaker. Price? Not a big deal to me but not a deal-breaker. VRAM? Ya, I really wanted 16GB but I couldn't justify an RTX4080 as I'd also have to rebuild my PC (R9-3900x CPU currently) due to a big CPU bottleneck... long story short I'd probably still go with the RTX4070 but mainly for DLSS and CUDA (Topaz video editing)... AMD will have a tough time getting me back though. I'm willing to pay EXTRA for better to a point. I get super distracted by things like SHIMMERING etc so visual QUALITY to me is probably the most important part.... Although, I probably will keep the RTX4070 for a long, long time now. I have a lot of games and I seem to be replaying OLDER GAMES just at higher resolutions. Currently playing Mass Effect Legendary trilogy (modded) and Skyrim AE (modded). I have FPS drops in Spider-Man Remastered but I wouldn't build a new PC for that. I'd really need SEVERAL games that just blow me away for me to justify building a new PC. I've got so much time and so much money after all.

@Xman360z 9 месяцев назад

Thank you for including non US price considerations

@MisterShaggyDoo 8 месяцев назад

Hey! Quick question, i play with a tv instead of a monitor, i rock some good 50fps in cyberpunk with 1080p, i wanted to buy the 7800xt but im afraid that it wont be that great given that my tv is 60hz if frecuency. Is it worth buying the 7800 xt?

@marcel52269 Месяц назад

If you care about the dips, yes. Consistent 60Hz with the 7800/7700xt is wayyy better than 60 sometimes and 40 at others.

@gaustin 9 месяцев назад

Chose the 4070 a couple of months back for a mini ITX build and glad I did, would still go for it due to the power draw and DLSS.

@calvinminer4365 9 месяцев назад

I got the white Asus TUF 7800xt for my white mITX Lian Li q58. It was a tight squeeze, but it fit fine and has never cracked 60° while staying silent. I love it.

@TheXboxSux 8 месяцев назад

Same. It's so quite and efficient compared to my old 1080ti. It's the perfect stopgap to see how the 50 series pans out and whether i'll buy a top tier card ever again. If it had 16GB of VRAM it would have been perfect.

@elpman001 9 месяцев назад

One issue not talked about much regarding the 7800xt is its width. The reference model is 50mm and nearly all of them are even wider. There are a lot of old cases, especially ITX that can't handle a 50mm width card.

@dzenan6318 8 месяцев назад

Get new case

@elpman001 8 месяцев назад

@@dzenan6318 that is totally fair but you just spent the difference you saved in buying the cheaper card. Also, what if you like your case?

@scslre 7 месяцев назад

@@elpman001then you'll have to continue to live with that issue

@jonjon3829 6 месяцев назад

dont use the side panel? you'll get better temps too. I got a sama 01 and I dont use any panels its all barebone and mounted to the wall.

@BecauseynotGaming 9 месяцев назад

What was with the super low core clocks in the original review that were 500-700mhz lower than average? Was the 7800xt at its normal 2600-2800mhz core frequency in this comparison

@buttergolem8584 7 месяцев назад

I got an old but very good G-Sync monitor (XB271HU). Do you think it's worth getting the RTX 4070 or buy the RX 7800XT plus the LG 27GP850P for 1440p?

@pierrebroccoli.9396 9 месяцев назад

Went for the 7900 XT myself with a demo card sold to me. Using it for VR and it is doing really well so far. Some quirks like Pimax Home and SteamVR Home driving the card really hard but in VR titles the card runs much happier and cooler. No idea why the card is driven so hard with those two apps. The card drives the 8K-X well with better colours and clarity compared to its predecessor, RTX 2080. RTX4070 - unless it's the Ti version and at a decent price - forget it.

@cediegamotin2787 8 месяцев назад

Did you encounter stuttering or other issues?

@pierrebroccoli.9396 8 месяцев назад

@@cediegamotin2787 No, but after launching SteamVR I use Power Plan Switcher to set my power plan to AMD Balanced. Annoys me I have to do this but has been the same with my old RTX. Now at least, most recent update of SteamVR, the AMD card is getting recognised and VR SS settings recommendations are appropriate. It's going we'll.

@ripandutta7565 9 месяцев назад

One of the best comparison, people often neglect pricing outside USA where same range amd GPUs are often similar or at times more expensive than nvidia. At the same price I'd always go with nvidia given the feature set and low power consumption it comes with.

@gamesmaster1060 9 месяцев назад

Cope

@atirta777 9 месяцев назад

@@gamesmaster1060 Cope what? The comment didn't state anything but facts, so what even is there to cope with?

@johernandez266 9 месяцев назад

@@gamesmaster1060 Cope 🤣

@Dracossaint 9 месяцев назад

@@johernandez266explain yourself or cap.

@johernandez266 9 месяцев назад

@@Dracossaint lol I was j/k My cope > His Cope. You know "I know you are but what am I ? " 🤣

@MrCovers101 9 месяцев назад

Managed to pick up a 7800XT a few days ago in the U.K. at MSRP. It’s roughly on par with the US with £500 MSRP for 7800XT, £600 for 4070, but I’ve seen 7800s shoot up in price now here too. Hopefully just availability problems as I have friends interested in them who can’t find any reasonably priced models

@officialteaincorporated243 9 месяцев назад

I luckily managed to get a 4070 at £500. If I didn't get that deal, it would have been 50/50 for me between the cards since both are great choices in the current market (although are disappointing based on 30/6000 series.)

@gladdiatorgaming 9 месяцев назад

With the 6950xt being 629 in places would you consider that versus the reference 7800xt at 499? Or would you consider the 7800xt about the same tier now. Thank you, thats in USD BTw.

@hyperturbotechnomike 9 месяцев назад

In the country i live, the 7800XT and 4070 are priced identical. I got a 4070 for my gaming system, because of the bad experience i had with the 5700XT (had to RMA replace it three times, T-Junction temp over 100°C in a HAF XB case lol, it was the sapphire pulse model, it had the noise profile of a harrier jet.) and previous AMD graphics cards. The 4070 i have is very quiet and cool, never going above ~70°C in 4K while using the silent fan switch.

@realgamer1998 9 месяцев назад

I never understood the benefit of having fan switches on gpus. Isn't it better to change the fan profile with software rather than to open up the case every weekend.

@hyperturbotechnomike 9 месяцев назад

@@realgamer1998 I only used the switch once, when i installed the GPU. As said, i do have a HAF XB case which is horizontal (All my PC's i have built in the last 20 years are horizontal, my weird tradition) and easy to access. Even when i would want to switch the fans to the "performance" profile, it wouldn't take more than five seconds.

@PindleofKujata 9 месяцев назад

I saw pricing and availability for the 7800 XT in Canada. They wanted $804 CAD the first night (Amazon pre-orders lol), but the price soon corrected to $650. I've been waiting to get off of my 3070 Ti, thanks in no small part to the VRAM issues. It's looking like the 7800XT will be the card I buy (once it's on a sale). I don't find Ray Tracing a compelling reason to stay with Nvidia, and FSR offers the same type of upscaling, even if it's not as good as DLSS. I'm also tired of Nvidia's shenanigans. I was even willing to go Intel Arc because of it. Ada Lovelace was a waste of a gen for us gamers. Shame.

@Deoneta 9 месяцев назад

Frame generation is honestly OP.

@hamster_master 9 месяцев назад

@@Deonetaamd also has frame gen now

@user-jt5ky9tp7d 5 месяцев назад

and it's a leaked Open-Source Mod so actually nvidia is no longer have a reason to stay with customers@@hamster_master

@cediegamotin2787 8 месяцев назад

Hoping to see VR tests soon as the VR grows, I'm still confused on what to get for VR

@DominicMalta 9 месяцев назад

We’re all games tested at native resolution or was FSR and DLSS enable?

@henrikw377 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for the comparison. Huge missed opportunity IMO not to include at least some undervolting/overclocking results. The 4070 can't really be pushed higher performance-wise but can achieve great efficiency gains (as was mentioned), but according to some reviews there's a potential 10+% performance uplift potential in the RX7800 XT with little cost (slightly increased power consumption). If performance is all that matters, that tilts the decision even further towards the 7800 XT.

@mlsasd6494 9 месяцев назад

imo its a lot more interesting to see undervolting results if you can reduce power consumption without too much of a hit to performance

@mojojojo6292 9 месяцев назад

You can 10% out of the 4070 as well combined with an undervolt it still uses around stock 190w average or with just the undervolt you can have very near stock performance at 140w.

@henrikw377 9 месяцев назад

@@mlsasd6494 I'm clearly inexperienced when it comes to Radeon/Adrenaline undervolting vs. Geforce/MSI Afterburner - every 7800 XT undervolting+overclocking example I've seen results in HIGHER power consumption. Scratching my head trying to understand this...

@junkenn 9 месяцев назад

In my country, the 7800xt was charged over $120 more than it's current MSRP. It's a turn off

@mhult5873 9 месяцев назад

Thank yoy for another great video! 16GB VRAM size better, because I speculatr 12GB will be too little in a year or so, at 1440p or higher. So I would go for a card with 16GB or greater and the best price to performace available (within my budget). Br

@NostalgicMem0ries 9 месяцев назад

im happier each day with my rx 6800 non xt that i got brand new for 380 euros

@Sturmx 9 месяцев назад

I guess I don't get the excitement. Okay its a couple percent faster. The vram/memory bus is nice but there doesn't seem to be any meaningful gains just.. marketing to bring you in because 16>12. You are losing out on Reflex, DLSS (looks much better and I hope AMD improves their FSR), Frame Generation, DLDSR, better AV1 support for non video editing people (discord actually supporting nvidia.. hope they update but its been out since the beginning of the year), cuda, nvenc, and I'm sure theres more. Nvidia is getting close to the point where upscaling looks as good or better then native. Ray Reconstruction looks VERY good. So far most of AMDs tech is just.. not as good and they have been constantly playing catch up. Who knows if FSR 3 will be comparable or even good. They definitely need to improve the quality of FSR. If you take a peek at amd/radeons subreddit you will see just walls of driver problems and just problems in general at any given time, always. I guess I just don't understand the appeal. Maybe if it were $150-200 less. But it seems like you are dropping so many quality of life upgrades just to say I can brute force this with power for a couple of fps more.

@winj3r 9 месяцев назад

I have a small recommendation. Change old The Outer Worlds, with the Spacer's Choice Edition. After a couple of patches, it now runs very well and looks better than the original.

@Yerinjibbang 9 месяцев назад

played the original halfway lol is the spacer choice run better too?

@winj3r 9 месяцев назад

@@Yerinjibbang The Spacer's Choice is heavier to run, but looks significantly better. It does have a good implementation of FSR2.1, which can improve performance.

@anthonylee5305 9 месяцев назад

Just installed an XFX Speedster Merc 7800XT and could not be happier!

@txoni 9 месяцев назад

Ty for including 1080p on new mid-high end cards

@z0mb1e564 9 месяцев назад

On the multigame comparisons, it would be useful to have the bars colored by whether or not that game was playable. Maybe any game where both were under 30 fps are red, under 60 fps yellow? And really if both cards are under 30 fps, I’m not sure it’s worth including that result in the average seeing as most people aren’t going to actually play with those settings. Call it the playable average or 30+ / 60+ average.

@danieloberhofer9035 9 месяцев назад

Performance-wise, I'd consider the matchup a tie with a little advantage for AMD. Both CP2077 (with RT) and Starfield are basically meaningless for an overall comparison, as they're both heavily influenced by Nvidia and AMD, respectively. There's nothing to be learned there except that if you prefer Starfield, you buy AMD, and if you prefer CP2077 (with RT on!), you buy Nvidia - period. In the end it'll come down to two things: First, if pricing in your region favors Nvidia, you'll probably consider the 4070. If not, the 7800XT is the obvious choice. And second: Your personal upgrade cycle. If you switch GPUs every generation, the 4070 has the superior feature set and thus is a very compelling option. If instead you upgrade your GPU every 3-5 years (or even less often), the 7800XT is immeasurably better. Having 16GB instead of 12GB makes such a huge difference in terms of longevity I'd not even remotely consider the 4070 for a long term build. Moreover, AMD's track record of supporting older GPUs and improving both drivers and features is way better than Nvidia's. If you compare the last decade of GPUs (let's say back to Maxwell), with a few exceptions every AMD card aged better than its Nvidia counterpart. So for long term builders I'd go with the 7800XT, even if its price matches the 4070's.

@gamesmaster1060 9 месяцев назад

I'm not even sure about the 4070s advantages as the 4070 dips below 60 a lot on DLSS Cyberpunk on overdrive RT path tracing (which is the only RT mode I care about). So I think I'd rather just have the extra performance of the 7800xt without RT or mabye low RT. Ray tracing is something I think I can wait for until it becomes cheaper to run. I think if you are buying a GPU for ray tracing you should get a 4080 or 4090. 4070 feels like a bit of a half measure and the demands of cyberpunk will apparently go up with the dlc/update

@danieloberhofer9035 9 месяцев назад

@@gamesmaster1060 Pretty much, yes.

@Pistolita221 9 месяцев назад

@@gamesmaster1060yeah, I imagine heavy RT uses a lot of VRAM.

@gamesmaster1060 9 месяцев назад

@@Navi_xoo No I mean it's dips below 60 with frame gen on. It's terrible natively lol

@crafti2.027 9 месяцев назад

Thanks Steve.

@MK-vw6vm 9 месяцев назад

I did not expect it to be so close with RT activated at cyberpunk with higher resolutions. kinda impressive.

@jihadjoe 9 месяцев назад

Now that AMD's entire lineup is out and presumably Nvidia's too, can we see a comparison chart of their full stack of cards? It would be nice to see how the 7800XT compares to the 7900XTX or even the 4080. AKA how much performance is lost for a 50% (or more) discount? or conversely how much performance can be gained by doubling the price?

@jmangames5562 9 месяцев назад

Without RT or frame generation, both are invalid and not true performance.

@Bk_owns 9 месяцев назад

I'm packing the xtx. It's a beast.

@jporter504 9 месяцев назад

Does the RX 7800 XT come with Starfield in most other parts of the world? If so, that should be considered as a potential savings if the buyer is planning on acquiring Starfield anyway and as long as the promotion lasts.

@bryanyokofich5021 9 месяцев назад

I was going to buy starfield premium edition anyways so when I got the 7800xt I really only saw it as a $400 purchase rather than $500

@NetNeelsie 9 месяцев назад

Thank you.

@syncmonism 9 месяцев назад

A lot of weird things happen with pricing in different regions, and it's often not clear what's causing it. I assume it's sometimes because retailers are being stubborn with pricing, perhaps because they aren't keeping a close eye on the broader market trends, but it's also sometimes related to weak supply chains. I have heard that AMD cards would sell so poorly in some regions that it basically causes retailers to be unable to buy large enough orders to be able to sell AMD cards at their MSRP pricing. One issue is just that when cards sell out, listings where the cards are still in stock are often the over-priced ones. However, that just makes so little sense right now in regions where the 4070 can easily be found for MSRP. The 4070 often seems to go on brief sales at 550 in the US. If you must buy an Nvidia card, waiting for the 4070 to hit 550, or waiting for some other deal, like the 100 dollar steam gift card deal Microcenter was doing, is a great idea. In Canada, I noticed that the discounted prices on the RX 6000 series cards were never quite as low as in the US, though the prices for the RTX 3000 series cards also seemed to be worse. The 6800 XT was never widely available for near 500 USD, which is very strange, considering that availability of the 4070 for MSRP (810 CAD) has been excellent ever since it launched. Availability of some models of the 7800 XT in Canada hasn't been as good as the US, and some models have been priced higher than in the US, such as the Sapphire Pulse, which was priced closer to 525 USD than to the 510 USD price it is available for in the US. However, some models of 7800 XT have been the same or even a hair lower than US pricing, with the reference model going for 675 CAD. So, now all those retailers who were trying to sell the 6800 XT for closer to 800 CAD or more over the past 6 months are probably regretting not dropping the pricing sooner.

@dexter2392 9 месяцев назад

RADEON THE DESTROYER!!! Good work on the 7800xt giving the same or better performance for $100 less!

@MyrKnof 9 месяцев назад

nice little nugget, but its like a year too late to really steal any market? People looking for this performance already got a 6800XT or even 6950XT for cheaps?

@Mark-yz7ci 9 месяцев назад

Ehmm all 7800xt are sold out

@wendazhao37 Месяц назад

Hello, I saw that when you summarized at the end of the video, there was a frame of an NVIDIA graphics card, but it was an 8PIN interface, I remember that the 40 series was a 12PIN interface!Which AIC product is this?