Haha, if I was thinking like a genius I probably would have foreseen the problem and purchased extension cables :P. But it wasn't an awful Plan B haha. Glad you liked it though, it was certainly an interesting build!
these are totally awesome chassis. I did a build 2 years ago using the Metis Pro in Gold and absolutely love it! one thing I did though was to remount the acrylic windows to the INSIDE of the side panel. it makes the unit look cleaner and I also added a RGB Fan to the top of the unit. I absolutely love this brand and am disappointed its so hard to ontain in the US. Raijintek need to broaden their market reach!
Thank you very much, really appreciate the support! I found this case really compelling. But I wish the window was the full size of the side panel. I tried to get an acrylic side panel in time for this video, but unfortunately I just didn't have the time (and thought about it too late...). But I'd recommend getting one cut to size if you can to maximize that window to its full potential. Since the side panel is held in place with simple screws it should be a really easy and effective modification which would look great. And should only cost around £20 (but that does add quite a lot of cost to the case itself. Biggest piece of advice for this case is handle it with care. Those anodized brushed aluminium side panels are very easy to damage with a small scrape from a screwdriver. Anyway best of luck with the build, if you have any questions please just ask, and of course thanks for checking this one out!
That color of case actually grew on me in the length I watched this! So much so I want it now! LOL...Lots of fussing around but I love fussing around in a build cause that's the whole point of me getting into building! I seriously don't care about mounting drives anymore as all my drives are SSD and more now support 2 M.2's on the motherboard so my latest build has 2 M.2 NVMe's and only 1 SSD.
I know your pain building this sff , I have a 2600x , rtx 2060 mini , aurous pro WiFi mini, 16gb Corsair lpx FULL SIZE atx 650w coolermaster psu , 120ml coolermaster aio Absolute nightmare to build but looks great I took out my noctua 120ml top intake as it was loud AF even with Pam! The gpu would ramp the fan up and is cooler and quieter without it! Atx psu spun round as it was fighting with the rear aio exhaust.
Bunch of custom cables would solve all the problems. Honestly, i would love for this case to be even a bit smaller. I think 3cm could be reduced in height, by removing the 5th expansion slot cover, and just having 4, as well by removing the water loop gromets and repositioning the power input socket.
Very funny vid, liked the way you entertainingly explained your thought processes while hitting those bumps with this fairly awkward case. Your passion and excitement really come across nicely. Could be me watching on my phone, but could it be that the whitebalance was quite off and somewhat glaring at times? Still good lighting as black cables could be seen clearly in front of a black mainboardtray for example. Many others loose such things filming to dark. I have the same powersupply, it’s just amazing that they pack 600W in such a small package, had the same issues with the cables also. I swapped it in my atx case, though with extensions for 24 pin, cpu and gpu and as I thought my old supply was flawed I snipped the drive power cables and adapted them^^ after that...it seems to be the mainboard power delivery causing my start issues at times...oh well. Doesn’t stop me from overclocking it anyway Anxious to see that strange little case water cooled, that will be a interesting one. It’s awesome that you go that route. Most others would just slap in an aio and call it water cooled...
Thank you very much, I've wanted to make a few skits here and there to bring more personality into these videos. I'm still a bit awkward on camera but I'm loosening up a little the more I'm doing it which is good fun. On the note of lighting, it wasn't your phone, I'm working with a slightly different lighting setup that I'm getting to grips with. It's not super fancy, it's just a couple of soft boxes, I'm just inexperienced and learning on the job a little. Plus it's all crammed into a small room so I'ts all a little crammed in at the moment haha. I've needed to get more control of the light to be able to direct light onto the darker parts of the cases, but there were so many complications with this build that I lost focus of resetting the exposure on the camera in between shots. I'll work on the angles of the softboxes and the exposure setting to improve these next time around :). The power density of the SF600 really is impressive, it's pretty much spot on the 50% efficiency 'rule' for this system which I was so glad to be able to get hold of. Props to you for the modding a PSU, it's not something I know enough about to be able to do myself, and I'd no doubt make a mess of it, so I will need to get hold of a longer set of cables at some point for suture videos requiring a longer set of cables. Nice work on the PSU mod, seriously impressive! Water-cooling this on is going to be really interesting. I'm wondering if there's any chance we'll be able to fit the full size reservoir in, I haven't measured it out yet so it'll be a mystery until the video is made. It's going to be a really tight build though. I plan to do a lot of water-cooling in ITX cases in the future so this is going to become familiar territory on this channel. I'm really looking forward to it! As always I really appreciate the feedback, I'll do my best to control the lighting for the next video since it really was all over the place. It's a little tricky to balance the light out across the entire frame, but I do want to avoid overexposure which detracts from the clips so much, but of course I want to keep exposing the darker areas to maintain detail. I'm taking a few days of annual leave off across the next few weeks to help this channel get to 100 subscribers, there;s never been a better time for me to push harder. I'll stop typing now haha, catch you in the next one!
Literally just finishing building this - but I can't get the illuminated power button to light up......? I like it, but it's a tight little case to build in. I went with just an nvme m2 for all my storage to save space and wires and keep it tidy. Using a i7-8700k on a 240 liquid cooler. I hope it doesn't get to hot in there.....🔥 Great video.....🙋♂️
I don't think you'll have to worry about heat...I built in the smaller mitx Rajintek case that looks like this one but smaller and had a full gaming rig going for the last year in it with just that one included fan lol.
@@RogerDiotte Hey thanks. I think you're right. During my normal usageweb surfing and RU-vid video stuff) I only see low 30's. My gamer son borrowed it and it went to low 60s. I do have the rear case fan and can put one on the bottom if needed - doesn't look like it will though. I read somewhere the 8700k ran a bit hot, so I was a bit worried. Thanks for the response....🍻 Oh, and the power button light - just flashes red every so often..... like every few seconds..
@@capitaldd3693 bummer about the lighted power button. Yea it has the red LED that flashes on mine during hard drive activity... I am anal and would want the lights to work also...
@@RogerDiotte yeah, it flashes during activity you are correct. The white light doesn't though.. I should double check it, maybe I did something wrong with the connection...
awesome look, but thermals are tragic. What were engineers thinking, that PSU intake should fight case exhaust? if they turn PSU and add some frontal mesh, so psu blows air on top side, then the case could actually work.
Looking at this in 2023. All these streaming services has got out of hand. I need something that isn't huge, has an optical drive, and room for SSDs to run PLEX and store all my media.
Hopefully in maybe half a year or so you can just message corsair and ask them if they can send you the psu for free :D same with cases, at some point company's are going to ask you to review their stuff. You're probably one of the best case reviewers out there. All the other reviews are way shorter and less in depth.
That would be fantastic, and a huge milestone for this channel. The general idea is to review products from as many manufacturers as possible so there is some precedence to encourage the chance of sending a review copy. So at least I'll be able to send an email and link a video (one of the later ones, the early ones were below par) of one of their other products. Hopefully that'll be enough to them to give this channel a shot. I'm confident it will happen at some point too, it would seem to make sense, but I'm going to need a strong view count for this to work. We'll have to reconsider our approach after February 20th to see where we stand, I'm nervous as to whether we'll make it. But I'm taking a few days of annual leave over the next few weeks to guarantee a stream of videos, there's too much on the line to coast it. I think next video will be the water-cooling in the case which I'll start tonight, and after I might do a video on sourcing water-cooling parts for a first build. Something widely useful to many people which may aid the discovery of the channel before the 20th comes around. But what do you think? On the note of video length, I actually intended to make this a 15 minute video... but the components compatibility was all over the place, and the thermals just left me puzzled. I couldn't justify it all by saying it was just a mid-performance case, it has 4x 120mm fan slots so that's not too bad. Anyway I couldn't really find a sweet spot for the system to all work well under full load, but at least we tried. Anyway I've gone on for long enough as usual. Thanks for checking this on out, I'm glad your still liking the videos, and I really appreciate all the support!
Awesome, yeah it's still monetized which is great. But now we've brought attention to it, RU-vid will find out and stop it ASAP haha. It's going to get demonetized at some point, I've come to terms with that, I'm just hoping that past 1000 subscribers when the changes come in it will get better.
AV Techy all out attack mode it looks like^^ hope your girlfriend is ok with using up your leave for a „hobby“ One idea that just popped in my medicated and flue infected mind, maybe looking around different company’s, they often have their own channels, check wich products they don’t have featured and send them a exclusive review for use on their channel?? Somewhat crazy maybe...
+Samenilla gorilla Thank you very much, it took a couple of late nights to get this one out even though it was a little late. The Water-cooled build will be our in about a week though, I'm really looking forward to getting back into those :) Thanks for checking this one out, were certainly heading in the right direction, but it'll be a couple of weeks before we'll be able to work out if we'll make it to 1000 in time. I'm hopeful though :)
+Applejack It's a pretty cool price of kit, and it provides a lot of power for such a small unit. But those cables are only for ITX cases which is good ti keep in mind. I'll need to get a cable pack for if I'm going to need to use it in a future compact mATX build. But until then it's going to pull it's duty in the water cool build coming up, and then it's waiting for some upcoming ITX builds :). Thanks for checking this one out, the journey to 1000 subs is looking good so far, but it's going to be close. I think we'll make it though! :)
you could get the 450 variant as well. Some say the internal components of the 450 watt variant are better than the 600 and 450 is probably plenty for an itx rig :)
+Elias Vissers That's not a bad shout, for this system the Max voltage is around 300 - 350W from memory. The peak efficiency of a PSU these days is around the 50% load mark, so the most efficient PSU for this system would be in the 600 - 700W range. But of course efficiency is not always the driving factor for all people. Sometimes cost is more important so the 450W would be the one to go for. But bear in mind that most PSUs are quieter when there is less of the total load on the PSU. So if the system in this video is using 300W on an intensive task, the PSU will be far quieter if it was a 600W than if it was a 450W. There's so many factors to think about with every component in a system. But I'd certainly say that 450W would be plenty for most gaming systems, but if acoustics are a priority then a higher wattage PSU will most likely be very beneficial. Awesome suggestion though, and I really appreciate you posting it here! :)
Haha well I tend to go on for a bit generally, same goes for the videos as well. I think there's so much that goes into the deciding factors for a system. Most of it will be down to budget and the use-case, but there are a few extra nice to haves like quieter parts or designer components that can be obtained with some trade-offs with other components in the system, or by spending a bit more if it can be afforded. Spending more doesn't always make sense, so your comment makes complete sense to most people including myself. I personally stepped up to the 600W version for that extra silence during low usage, which is really useful for me during script writing. So the trade of cost for acoustic performance made sense since I spend so much time using the system. Anyway I'm going on again, it's like a disease haha. Sorry for the walls of text, thanks again for checking this one out, and I really appreciate the solid comments!
+Paul Hamilton I completely agree with you. I was trying to source a manufacturer to cut a 3mm sheet of acrylic to size so I could replace the panel. But by the time I thought of it, it's was the weekend... Due to its really simple panel mounting of 4 screws it would be really easy and well worth it. Certainly an option for those why really like the style of the case :)
Perfect review! I'm planning to buy a compact matx case too. And this one seems almost perfect. My only question about it is thermals. The PSU exhausting the hot cpu air and that makes nonsense for psu health. Why they didnt cut a mesh to the front and turn the psu intake to the front of case. Bottom fan slot also seems not useful. I'm gonna put a 3800X and 3060Ti in it. Do you recommend it for a full air cooled pc? If you have another case advice, i wil be happy to hear it. I checked Silverstone PS15, Aerocool Trinity Mini, Silverstone Fara H1 M.
If you buy this case either expect to use 2 drives or have your drives visible through the window. You can buy the case with no window to avoid this issue. Edit your videos to 10-12 minutes. Just show us the best way and discribe some of the problems with other methods while doing simple tasks like attaching the motherboard. It's not necessary, nor does it improve the video to watch all the other failed methods. I also built in this case's smaller brother (for my mother) and it works great for her limited use.
Haha, that PSU connector took like 10 minutes to remove, it was like it was welded in place haha. I'm going to need to by some extenders or a longer PSU cable set for future builds since that set will probably only suite small ITX cases. Anyway, thanks for checking this one out, really appreciate the support!
I think quite a few of the cablemod packs for the RM series are compatible with the SF units, but then they may be too long in some cases? I was considering getting the sf600 with the Silverstone adapter plate; it seemed like a win for ITX and ATX cases, but I read up that it has bad coil whine.. is there any truth in that?
Hmm, I might have to get in touch with CableMod and see confirm if RM cables work, I would have thought to since its from the same manufacturer. Nice shout! In terms of coil whine, under full load which for this system is around 350W I haven't experienced any coil whine. What does create ridiculous coil whine however is my EVGA GTX 1070, its so annoying when the whole system is super quiet on water, and when the card is under load it starts winging... I don't think that's an RMA-able cause, but I wouldn't want to waste the warranty for coil whine. Anyway, I'll definitely need to look into those CableMod cables. But I'm going to have to watch the expenses a little since with the new motherboard and PSU we're a couple of hundred pounds down... I'll work something out.
Excellent, I'll look more into PSU a little later. Thanks for the link :) I can't say I've come across a high FPS output while exiting a program, although it's not something I've specifically looked out for. Although I don't hear coil whine more when exiting a game or benchmark. I'd almost certainly say it's caused by the GPU, it's graphically based and I'm assuming your PSU is built to deal with a much higher load, and I can't say I've experienced coil whine from a PSU (not that I've tested loads of PSUs), but I haven't ever pushed a PSU to the limits of its ability. I've always had a PSU with a wattage double of the systems maximum for that efficiency. I only have issues with coil whine when the GPU is under load. It's a real pain since it's the most expensive part of the system, and ideally that would work the best... ideally. It might be worth adding a top FPS limit if it's becoming a concern, I know the AMD drivers have that option (although it's hit and miss), but I've not played around in the Nvidia driver as much.
Jeez, glad I only need two drives. One SSD - an M.2, and one HD. That's it. If you want three million drives and to go in easily? Wrong sized case. Great vid, though. Really helpful if I go with this thing.
With m.2 and no 3.5s there is plenty of space in my Styx even with an 23cm R9 380....not sure what all the fuss is about....stoopeed small side window tho that will be side panel acrylic magiced away
When I'm reviewing a case I generally look at what is claimed, and investigate whether the claims are met. Packing this case full to meet the full compatibility is what the comments, or fuss, is based on. It's a small case at the end of the day, so care does need to be taken. But either way the claims need testing otherwise there are a few unknowns which isn't useful to a viewer. Hope that clears up any uncertainty in the review thought process.
Hey, you've made a small mistake while writing your about section, it says "they would like me look at" instead of "they would like me to look at" . Might want to change that ;)
Excellent spot, you may have been the only person other than myself to read that haha. Thanks for pointing that out, I really need to stay on top of these admin style tasks!
Oh wow, that's dedication. Yeah the sub count has been really sketchy over the last week, we actually experienced a -1 the other day which isn't normal. Strange things are happening leading up to this deadline... Really appreciate the spot though, trying to look less amateur in all respects is always a good target haha.
Hi Av Techy, the case doesn't really interest me, but your video was still amusing! Question: Do you know if there is a difference between budget and more expensive cases in terms of the "feet" the power supply rests on? I have a budget case and power supply and it makes a low frequency vibration noise under load. I thought of getting an anti-vibration gasket for the power supply which insulates the screw holes, but I can't do anything about the case's metal feet on the base touching the psu. Or do I just need to get a better psu assuming that they don't vibrate or ramp up the fan as much?
Thank you very much! And that's a very interesting question. Generally the only reasons you'd get vibrations from a PSU is down to the fan (since it's pretty much the only moving part), either the fan is off center acting like a rumble motor in a game controller. Or it's very slightly off center and it's ramping up to a high speed causing the same effect, which in both cases can rattle against the case causing more noise. These effects are made worse if the PSU is not secured to the case tightly. It really comes down to manufacturing quality, and of course failure rates. From well known good manufacturers the quality will be high enough to prevent the fan rumbling, but of course mistakes happen every now and then, and that's when RMAs come in handy. You can of course place some rubber or felt feet fixed to the case underneath the PSU with an adhesive (something light) if your case hasn't got its own. That will prevent the PSU vibrations teaming up with the case to start some sort of teenage rock band. On the note of the gaskets, you 'shouldn't' be experiencing rattling against the case if the PSU is screwed in tightly against it and if it's resting on the floor of the case well. But if there's some sort of gap then a rubber washer (you can buy from your local DIY shop) will fill the gap and stop the noise. But before you make a move, here's what I'd do: Grab yourself a towel or blanket, something you can fold a few times to make a thick bed the size of an A4 sheet of paper. Then take your PSU out of your case and rest if on top of the towel next to the case (fan side up so it can breathe of course). Then reconnect all the power cables if you had to disconnect them to get it out, and then power the system on. Then do something with your system that would normally create the vibrating noise (play a game, or run a torture test). If the fan is vibrating and making a lot of noise at this point then the only way to make that quieter is to replace the PSU since we would have determined the fan is the cause of the noise. However if the PSU is making a noise that isn't too loud for you (remember it will be a bit quieter inside the case), then we've determined it's a fault in the connection between the PSU and the case. You can get some felt pads for feet and some rubber washers for gaskets from your local DIY store which will improve the situation a lot and only cost about £5 in total. I really hope all that works for you, and it's fixable by only spending a little rather than a lot. If not, or if you need anything clarifying please get back in touch and I'll be more than happy to help out if you need it!
Thanks for your reply! Sticking my ear next to all the components, I'm fairly sure it's the psu making the noise. The screws were already fairly tight. Putting the tower on the floor didn't help much either. But then I stuck a cardboard box from my notebook (with padding inside) underneath and now the noise is gone! Leaving it tucked under my desk now :D
Perfect, so it was vibrating against the case, nice fix! Depending on the case that you buy they sometimes come with anti-vibration pads. Even most of the cheaper ones nowadays will have something to prevent the PSU sitting on the metal floor of the case. But just out of curiosity, what case do you have?
I have a Thermaltake Versa H15. They purposely drilled holes on the case floor that angle upwards to give the psu support, which makes sense, but that also means that there's nothing I could do prevent the contact/vibration other than sitting the whole case on a non-hard surface. I also wonder if a better quality power supply would help.
What size is the fan filter you used? The window in the case is around 155 mm X 155 mm , so slightly bigger that a standard 140 mm fan, not sure if the fan filter of that size would fit.
Correct, there would be a clash between the two. This is a tricky case to spec a system for, only the smallest ATX PSUs (125mm or smaller) and SFX PSUs will allow for a full sized graphics card unfortunately. At 10:37 is there I go over the specific measurements that allow for certain components. Hope this helps you out :)
Absolute excellent review of this case... I was looking into buying this in red to build my girlfriends pc in, she is a gamer, so I guess this case will be a no go. Really hard to find some nice looking cases with some fresh colors that would appeal to feminine gamers... Any suggestions? Looking for pink/purple/red or anything interesting other than black and white (she really hates my all white case)...
I’m actually also looking at this case for a 3600, 5700xt build. I think the biggest issue is that GPU, once you start going small form factor especially in a case with this design you are going to want a blower style GPU. You can get around this but you are going to need to cool the cpu with water. 120mm aio or a 240 aio mounted at the top would be a solution. I base this on my experience building in the Coolermaster Elite 130 with a 1070 Asus Strix card I used the Corsair H60 and temps were good. Lucky I’ve got a blower style so I can pick and choose on the CPU but I think I’m leaning towards a 120mm aio or a decent air cooler I was eyeballing the The MSI Core Frozr XL, RAIJINTEK MYA RBW, or Cooler Master MasterAir Maker 8.
@@therevanchist1123 I don't necessarily think you need to water cool the CPU. I have a Noctua cooler on the CPU and turned the rear fan to an intake. With so many fans intaking, positive pressure will force air out the bottom + exhaust via PSU. The Sapphire Pulse is a smaller 5700XT and should fit perfectly fine.
Zangeef Fangsteen you can get it without a window or you can make a full side window for it using acrylic or a custom shop could make a tempered glass for you but it will cost you.
Out of curiosity, where did you get that information from? Ideally they both need to be as cool as possible, and away from a region where they lose performance due to high thermals. Would cooling not be dictated by the application and specification of the system? The full case of fans is purely to represent a full load and full cooling scenario. It's not to be taken as a recommendation, but as an example of what is possible. 99% of the time most people will be running a CPU below full load and won't require a massive amount of cooling. And GPUs these days (in my experience) can generally take care of themselves with moderate airflow (since they come with a cooler that's designed to handle 99% of scenarios), hence why they don't concern me very much. I've never head of a hierarchy of cooling requirements between a CPU and a GPU. It's all down to the application. Such a black and white statement runs on unmentioned assumptions, is generally false ,and takes very little useful information into account.
From what I have studied thru videos like this and reading. www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Impact-of-Temperature-on-Intel-CPU-Performance-606/ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QwvfRwFx7ZM.html I have been paying a lot of attention to MB temperatures these days. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0qYHWAnvXv8.html Will try to send you a link to my current build
Those are interesting articles and videos. And from respectable sources. But I'm not seeing anything saying the GPU temps are more important than CPU temps. I noticed the Puget article was describing the importance and intricacies of CPU cooling. But there was not mention of a hierarchy of cooling. The general rule is that is the component is hot during operation, it needs a more substantial cooling solution. I'd certainly like to see your build, I'm always interesting in checking builds out :).
Important was an incorrect word. Critical? They say the CPU will run with little performance loss to thermal limit. The GPU will drop FPS and have other problems as temperatures rise.
For gaming, absolutely. But only up to a certain point. Most games have GPU based performance, but some are more CPU bound. From all the testing I've done on this channel, when a CPU and GPU get to a point where they need to thermal throttle to maintain a temperature lower than their limit, I've seen a similar clock reduction (around 100MHz). But whereas CPUs these days run at around 4000MHz, GPUs run at 2000MHz. So a 100MHz reduction from both will effect the GPU performance more than the CPU. But again, if an application is CPU bound, then any CPU throttling will effect the FPS. But I think you're speaking generally, which means you're spot on the theory. As for the cooling of each, it works on a case-by-case basis. Some cases are very tight, but have a whole side of the case ventilated and dedicated to the graphics card. But some have PSU zones right up against the underside of the graphics card. To work out what takes priority, testing needs to occur for each indivdual situation. But of course sensible observation will get the right approach 90% of the time. Anyway, I've gone on for way too long, it's a problem I'm trying to deal sort out haha. It's been a great conversation, always good to talk over these things to keep everything in check. Thanks for checking out the video, and best of luck with your future builds! :)
There aren't many times where water-cooling doesn't help. I have a video on water-cooling in this case which you can find on the channel if you want to know more.
Hmm... If you want an easy build, go for the PS15, but if you want a more interesting build go for the Styx. There's not a lot of room to grow in the Styx however. If this is a first build and you may change components out later then go for the PS15, but if your after a more unusual looking build with a bit of a challenge the Styx is the case.
Haha, well from my experiments (messing around haha) I found that having two top intakes and a rear exhaust is the best setup. I didn't find the lower fan position very useful, so that would be open to a 3.5" drive. Taking into account the PSU fan this should (in theory) create slightly positive air pressure, but it would only be very slight so dust would probably still be something to stay on top of every couple of months. Currently I'm half way through water-cooling in this case, and I'm going with that setup. I'm also heavily cleaning up the cable management so it'll be a nice and tidy build. Hopefully it will be a vast improvement over the looks of this build haha. Let me know if you have any more questions, and thanks for checking out the video, I really appreciate the support!
AV Techy, can you do a build for this case? www.goldonecomputer.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=4319 I want to know what you think of this case. pretty cheap and it's pretty small.
