off topic but the breath stinking joke abt him 😭 when he was in i-land, he got up in jake’s face and was like “when i wake up in mah room” 😭😭😭 theres sm clips on tt abt it that i think are HILARIOUS. my poor ikeu had to smell his breath 😭😭
I am currently obsessed with your videos!! (and you only have two haha!! they're always so well researched and well spoken 🫶 looking forward to seeing more from you :)
I love Rain as an actor and ex idol but hate him as a director,whenever he debuts a group I feel like he just makes them sing and perform the things he cant do himself but doesnt put any promotions behind it,forcing a concept on a group with your own vision can work when its done by excessive promotion as you can see in Shinee and Girls Generation but forcing a concept without promotions doesnt work which JYP tried so much with GOT7 and Stray Kids then eventually set them free to do their own things and funded minimum promotions thats when both groups became insanely succesful,you have to choose one or another you cant have both
ciipher was great. i loved their i like you concept and i was sad to see them fade from the spotlight so quickly and go to the stereotypic boy group concept and sound. (not that there is anything wrong with that concept i love it but variety is nice ya know?)
40:16 some kpop fans make me feel like that all the time and i wanna right essays and make youtube videos something like that but i can't due to alot of reasons and sometimes i try to reason with them but in the end its me who is exhausted liek some people just don't wanna believe idk but i just wanna say that kpop is one of those communities that has abundant content online each has its own specific audience many times a toxic side of this whole fandom and they assure each other that it is ok i find myself clickbaited by such videos and these weirdos have no chill they disgust me but also leaves me exhausted and upset i hate internet sometimes Im Glad to find your channel doesn't make me feel any of those emotions lol, also this game is literally my childhood like you have good taste in games😭
The way ciipher had one of the best line ups and he just let them fade out of the spotlight like that... same with the many other groups he caused to exist. I just don't get what this man is doing and why they allow him to still make groups.
Ciipher had so much potential and I'm so sad they were failed like this. If they had been given more promotion and not only the shows Rain deemed important, they would've made it big, I'm certain. And technically Rain had another chance to make them big after Boys Planet. The hype Keita received was incredible and Clues were ready to build up on that. But I seemed like Rain had given up on them way before that time. I'm still so sad about how it ended. I will keep supporting the members on their own journeys but I still can't believe Ciipher is really over and that we most likely won't see them together again 😔 And all we can do is replay the old contents. I loved Ciipher so much, love the members still. I hope they will achieve what they dream of ❤️
I actually remember a lot of hate Ciipher got from Keita solo stans who wanted him out of the group since the group was apparently "holding him back" and he should get out of such a "Nugu group" smh
As a kpop fan, MBLAQ was a great group whose potential was wasted due to poor management and ill never forgive RAIN n Jtune camp for what they did to them. But i cat be too mad cuz all the members be living their life happy and if they do decide to return one day even if its for a short time ill be ALL FOR IT. I HOPE YOU CAN DO A DEEP DIVE ON THE GROUP BOYFRIEND(STARSHIP) WHICH IS ANOTHER GROUP WHOSE POTENTIAL WAS WASTED CUZ OF POOR MANAGMENT
omg i looooved Boyfriend!! i’ll def look into them more bc if i remember correctly they redebuted under a different company with a different name, thanks for the suggestion! i’ll look more into their story!
thank you so much for this video!! it's a great comprehensive compilation to explain to rain's defenders why fans of groups associated with him dont like him. personally, as a 4th gen stan and a fan of 1the9 (won's group before ciipher), my heart always breaks for ciipher in particular. after the announcement of the 4 members leaving, i watched one of tan's ig lives, and he just looked so,,, exhausted? it was heartbreaking bc he was already considered "old" when he debuted with ciipher (i despise that pls he was like 24) and all the more now that rain company burned two years of his time that he couldve spent furthering his dream and career. i really hope all of the artists find/have found happiness.
thank you! tbh i had a really emotional reaction when researching Madtown and Ciipher in specific bc it felt like Madtown didn’t have that much help from the beginning from their company, but with Ciipher it was like, they had all the potential resources and backing, but their company over time just kind of stopped. they were hyped up by Rain and his company in the beginning and now looking back, it all seems like an ego stroke, and it’s horrible because even before Ciipher the members had made a name for themselves. i knew a little more about Won since he was in 1the9 with Yechan from Omega X!! Ciipher’s lineup and the beginning of their story reminded me a bit of Omega X’s with a majority of the members being in the kpop industry before debuting. also with Tan, it was so sad seeing everything, he’s so young, but is seen as old in kpop, especially since he already did his military service, but he’s too talented to not try again, and it does look like he is trying, but i don’t think he’s signed to any company atm. also it was so messed up that the song he said made him want to be a singer was Rain’s Love Song, but then Rain treated them like that
Bro rain sounds like a narcissist, like don't get me wrong he's very very talented and I understand he also wants to keep his image up but he literally doesn't want to give anyone a chance in the spotlight, like if he really wanted his so called sons or people he found extremely talented to succeed he would've done everything to let them have their own moment but no, the reason ALL of this happened was because HE wanted HIS OWN spotlight
i would love to see u cover the recent fanwars w moas and stays! since the vmas just happened i’ve seen a lot of hate thrown between both sides (i’m a staymoa so obviously it upsets me) but im personally seeing more hate and insults towards skz and their music style ! do feel free to use that as an idea if you’d like
Most fws on x started from that b*ngc**t acc. He likes to spread lies & throwing hate to + x +, e.g., claiming they will perform on a lollapalooza parking lot when in reality, they're going to perform on the same main stage as jhope did last year. And he was a staymoa too, before 27th January happened. You could argue that not all stay is toxic, which I agree. But his tweets gained thousands of likes. His account is even harder for X to suspend because of its huge impression on algorithm.
I remember seeing someone in front of me at Kcon with a sign saying "Ciipher deserved better" and I was like 😯🤭and because I am still new to Kpop (becoming a fan in 2022) I didn't notice the black ocean so It's very interesting to learn about it after the fact. Also I love your video's the game in the background does wonders for my ADD. ♥
very excited to keep an eye out for your channel. the videos are great and well researched! also I was surprised when you said you don't speak any korean since you have very good pronunciation compared to most people who don't know any.
this was sooooo well researched. I didn't even know there was a girle group, like wtf. Im sooo glad that ppl tried to do a black ocean. I really hope that more ppl take the time to watch this, it was perfect.
Rain was the first bias i had Tvxq was the first group i listened to their album but i remember my korean friend talk about the show Full House with Rain and when Rain did Music i became a fan. i saw him not the main reason i went to kcon but i can't believe it took me almost more than a decade to see him live in person! but i'm ashamed to post his live concert videos at kcon because i dont want to promote a guy that basically saw his groups as cash grabs
i mean all companies see their groups as cash cows but at least some companies want the best for their groups so they can be successful and sell more money why debit a group just to let them wither
I'm in hospital rn and your videos have been absolute lifesavers through all the pain and blood tests and codeine fog. Really looking forward to more from you, pls keep going!! 💞
oh my god? are you okay??? i hope you get better soon wow, im so sorry that you’re in pain. thanks for the support, i’ll try to get these videos out faster 🫡❤️
@@duckypato AWW wait thank you!!! I got discharged the other day and I'm still a bit sick but I'm doing better :') I hope you're doing well and taking care of yourself, don't rush to churn out content you're not happy with that just burns you out! You've got a lot to show and brilliant thoughts to share, it's okay that those take the time that they take to put together~
