Raishan | Critical Role: VOX MACHINA | Episode 80 

And I just know he has bought a hundred by now, and they are all at Liam's house with the other cat toys.

I always thought this was such a funny bit til I heard, like ten or so episodes back, matt say: " this is why /I/ bought them for you." Poor guy went out of pocket like a teacher or something and they never use them hahaha. Still funny, but with a caveat.

Every episode where they _do_ bring them: "Guys, don't point your lasers at the screen."

"Is giving someone a potion your full actin?" Every episode.

Poor guy 😅

That was a challenge to read

Dragonception

Same energy as "so you are just gonna bring me a birthday gift on my birthday to my birthday party on my birthday with a birthday gift"

Don't read these while drunk... worst decision ever

@@-Mothy- except yours doesn't really make sense...

I feel like after slaying Thordak everyone sort of forgot that Raishan was an Ancient Dragon too.

I mean it's understandable, Thordak went down really easy for being the Big Bad of the arc

One of the dumbest things any and all of them have done. And considering they made a deal with her too. now the diseased (maybe?) deceiver gets to call the party dishonourable.

Christopher Laryck She shot first with the Chain Lightning on Vax, you can choose the targets. And it's not a safe choice but it's in character and emotions were running high, they definitely knew what they were getting into.

Thanks, Khang. Perhaps you missed the last episode. While Raishan was attempting to speak to Thordak's body, in the tunnel leading to the cinder King's lair, Keylieth and Vax launched the attacked (this occurred near the end of episode 79 - the battle scene really begins here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-THyXWq5iS0k.html). Vax made the first attack against Raishan. then deceiver fled into Thordak's lair. When the group continued to come after her, she attacked with the chain lightning. While I am not suggesting that she didn't 'need to die' I am only saying that it has become habit for the group to break their word. one of their first quests when they came to Emon was to not steal the thing they were hired to steal and get the mage in the tower to help them instead. Vax especially attacks people without provocation (see the young man that worshipped him as a hero and wanted to join the group). In a world of heroics, honour is a valuable commodity and Vox M has tainted theirs.

I absolutely love how much Travis and Sam can laugh at their misfortunes instead of getting upset.

I had to say i laught at this. Scanlan had been dying to use this line. like forever. XD

When Keke fell in the lava Travis: She died as she lived! Me: Hot? Marisha: A fucking dumbass?!

Yes.

Poor guy got walloped, it was so upsetting :(

Noneed to explain. We all understand.

I know. I've been, somebody better fix Gilmore up. NOW.

Sam: "how does Gilmore look?" Me: "handsome." Matt: "he's seen a lot of struggle from the last battle" Me: "oh you meant..."

I can't believe they didn't give him the hero's feast. Went so far as to deny Allura closure so theycould bring him alonh, and they give the feast the fucking trinket who can just bamf into the necklace when he goes unconscious

Man was busy leading the charge in the city. Really an underrated hero.

That snivelling rat left him in the tunnels. An absolute coward, his clan would be ashamed.

You know Larkin is a dwarf, right?

2 years later - still the most under rated comment here

Raishan is Larkin.

I've literally been screaming that at my monitor in every episode where someone else plays Pike.

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except because of the time difference it would be nighttime in new york so she wouldnt be filming

@@jameshorsman2304Sometimes…actors film…at night…

​@@jameshorsman2304you think actors do 9 to 5s ? 😂

Also they rolled horribly.

Spell casters make the best boss fights.

@@MrSealemon eh, depends! I understand it gives the dm more options, but as a DM it's also your choices in the design of any boss encounter that give yourself these options. For example, giving legendary actions to normal monsters is gamechanging already, and it's often pretty simple to alter existing actions into mechanically interesting versions of themselves imo, etc etc. Making even physical bosses interesting in their own right.

They fought the **cinder king** before this, they were out of most of their useful stuff AND engaged without full frontage. They made terrible decisions the entire time, raishan isn't that dangerous. They enjoy drama more than tactics is all

I think it's by the contrary, Matt himself mentioned Raishan isn't as hearty as other dragons, it's just that they fought her at the worst possible time.

JayHKayJr i had to go scanning through all the spoilery commentary looking for this. Idk how this ain't upvoted to shit. Thank you.

HD 720p setting was how I saw it, tho I had to magnify a bit... Pretty entertaining, but it screws with people with small screens/low res.

The rest of it mostly seems like german, but I cannot figure what the intended message would be since it looks like just random words, spelled as a non-german might write them if only listening...

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I have been scrolling for this for a while lol

This is why sometime if your unsure don't 2nd guess the Dm. Laura clearly thinks it over before she says anything, and she was wrong only jarrett didn't get the feast

That's correct. It was so frustrating to see that mistake go uncorrected, 41 points of poison damage Gilmore shouldn't have taken from Raishan's breath. It was fire resist that Gilmore was missing, because nobody bothered to cast Protection From Energy on him and they only had 4 potions. What's even worse is that Heroes Feast feeds 12 *plus* the caster. www.dnd-spells.com/spell/heroes-feast - "Up to twelve *other* creatures can partake of the feast". So Jarrett didn't need to give up his spot for Trinket. It's basically the Last Supper (from Christianity) as a spell. But at least Gilmore didn't actually die, and it probably didn't make a difference in the fight. Still, it didn't help in that chain of fail of running up to heal each other and then getting more people hit with more AoEs. Because apparently VM is terrible at using group heals.

No, a useless bear got it instead.

Well none of them have heros feast benefits, because Raishun dispelled its magical effects from everybody... but sure it's totally trinkets fault. Although I do agree trinket is totally useless.

@@Peter_Cordes Actually they had 5 potions of fire resist, they got 4 before the fight from Drake and had one already. The potions were given out to Grog, Vex, Scanlan, Percy, and Keyleth. Keyleth could have cast it on Gilmore but would then had been limited in what damaging spells she could cast since it's a concentration spell. Don't think necessarily it was a bad choice thy made when dividing it up, the spell I think the group was missing was See Invisibility. They have encountered a lot of enemies in the past that had made use of it against them, so taking measures to prepare for it would have made sense. I don't know if Invisibility Purge is still on the 5E cleric spell list, but Scanlan could have picked up See Invisibility as a lvl 2 spell when levelling up...it last an hour and not a concentration spell so multiple people could have gotten a use of it.

PromethianChild scanlan is literally a genius so....

Scanlan didn't have Feeblemind as far as anyone knows. He also had spells for Counterspell that he never used which is why he died.

If he'd used the flute earlier, maybe he could have used it.

Scanlan's 8th level spell is Dominate Monster, not Feeblemind. But I agree I think he was trying to save it for the possibility of controlling an ancient dragon. I was actually expecting him to try to use it on Thordak.

@@ModernArtery [Edit: I was mistaken. My answer here is wrong. Please do not take in consideration. My last answer explain why. Thanks.] Dragons are not considered Monsters to be dominated by this spell. I have pretty sure I heard Matt saying in the previous dragon's fights that Dragons are in the "dragon" category, and that is why wyverns can't be dominated too. This battle Scanlan was level 15, and the spell listed is really Dominate Monster. www.dropbox.com/sh/ghuql8zx9d4y7sf/AAC6v2i9BrAdndHAsEi-fFDUa?dl=0&preview=Scanlan_L15.pdf If funny how the expectation over Sam makes him more genius than his real actions.

the raw energy Percy gives off with his one liners is unmatched

I'm so sad that no one caught that

That was genius, I caught that first time. Funny how the captions didn't spell it Raze, perhaps even the transcript writer missed the joke! Haha

No mercy percy was in full effect and feeling punny

YEAH NO MERY PERCY!!!

OH GOD HE'S ANCIENT AND FROM THE FUTURE AT THE SAME TIME

Pretty in line with Taliesin's origins.

@@LoLotov as most eldritch beings tend to be

He is living and has lived across the timeline in full. He just misplaced where the pandemic was a by a few years. We got what he meant though.

Lol that's so true.

And Ashley is the DM

Okay okay okay

Yes please

The narrative telephone episode she did is as close as you're going to get I think, but still absolute gold!

@@LoLotov Actually there was a stretch goal to have Ashley DM, so this could happen

probably still tracking through the snow after they left him in the mountains... poor guy :(

@@Darksnakemrniceguy no, he was in the tunnels with them. Maybe he is still trying (and failing) to jump out if the tunnel. Poor guy never gets to shine lol

@@jamesgarlick4573 omg, most under appreciated ally from vox machina D: maybe one day theyll have a one shot stream just about him... one can hope :(

Right I mean Larkin fought one dragon for a bit but Jarrett stepped up this time, I think with their forces combined it would have been an easier fight.

I was really looking forward to seeing Larkin in action, but in the usual vox machina style they completely forgot he was with them. I guess it's hard to keep track of who you have following you if they aren't players. Matt really shouldn't have let Larkin get left behind though. Maybe it was on purpose and Larking played a monumental role in fighting off the lizardmen in emon, while VM fought the dragons. Also, Larkin could of really helped them with raishan.

You just kinda throw your hand up like "Dang it, Vex! Oh well..." in the most Leave It to Beaver moment ever

It's not the greed that is a problem. It's more that the group accepts it. It's possible that the resulting interpersonal friction was played out pre-stream, but it always rubs me the wrong way that everyone else just lets Vex walk all over them. It works as a character trait, but it suffers from that metagaming problem where you let PCs do things you wouldn't let NPCs do because you know that PCs are on your side.

@@qerupasy Note the other part of the trait though. By and large she's the savvy one with money. She's the book-keeper. The accountant. So they let her do what she's good at. She's a master of coin character, and she is very very good at it. So I see this as an extension of that trait. She's paid full price what? twice? in the entire campaign? For anything?!?

It would've been hard for one. We're talking about replacing people are basically your family at this point. Grog loses his best friend and sister, Percy loses his best friend and lover, and they both lose a mutual frenemy in Vax. Something tells me the two of them would've just parted ways after that. I imagine a scene in my mind where they would've buried the bodies at Greyskull Keep, in the temple to Sarenrae. Just five headstones with different flowers for each of them. Grog heads home to Westrun and helps to rebuild while Percy heads back to Whitestone to assume responsibility as a nobleman. It's a somber ending to an adventurous tale, but as it is often in DnD where the dice decide everything. All this to say that Vox Machina would've disbanded with the deaths of so many members and we would've seen _everyone_ make new characters. Thankfully, despite all the dumbassery this episode, none of this happened and we got the, "eh, we'll take it" timeline.

Family that stupid is better off lost. The only party members I really cared about were Scanlan of those 5. And to see an end to Vax I would happily have traded the whole party.

@@KainErrow See, comments like this make me question why and _how_ you've watched 80 episodes hating that many characters where they star 90% of the time. I know some people have their gripes, but I personally enjoy all the characters. In any case, they weren't stupid outside of Vax who was the one to initially attack Raishan, but even then he was doing it more-so out of emotion and not thinking straight at all.

@@Dracon350 To be entirely honest I was in a lot of pain earlier and basically sniping anything that even vaguely irritated me. :shrugs

@@Dracon350 Vax asked Keyleth for the go ahead to attack Raishan. He asked her more than once and while she didn't give a literal yes to attack, the way she put it implies that Vax should go ahead and attack.

I would totally watch that for a one off

As glorious as that would be, I'm pretty sure Matt would play a dwarf bard.

Nope, he played a space hamster..who was a pilot..and giant, but tiny...it was weird...

I've been reading about D&D's history lately and the very first worlds that were created were populated with powerful mages and other figures that were basically the DM's old characters they had used in previous games, kind of a reversal of what you're describing. Many of these characters still exist even in homebrew settings due to lending their names to spells (Mordenkainen, Bigby, Otiluke, etc.)!

@@chrisparker6517 where can I find this?? :o

Why did Vax looked so annoyed when that happened? do you know by any chance?

@@Grrrr1997 Vax began hostilities with Raishan rather than allow her to touch Thordak's corpse, so he felt responsible for all the death and destruction that befell the party after that point.

@@Grrrr1997 I just watched this episode for the first time tonight, and when I saw this scene at this exact time stamp I thought Matt was saying Keyleth couldn’t get out of the lava at all and was prone so that if she tried to get out she would suffer more damage. It came across as him kind of just saying Keyleth was insta dead no recourse. I suspect that’s what Liam was responding to

@@hmcturnan ohhh! That actually makes a lot of sense and now I can finally understand why he made that face hahah thanks!

The really annoying thing is 5e actually has rules that state a character can jump a number of feet equal to their strength score with a running start so she shouldn’t have had to roll at all for that short a distance. I guess not many people know about that rule though since I don’t see anyone else mentioning it.

More like until they listen to marisha/keyleth and follow her orders to enter into a battle with low health and their high level spells already wasted. If they had rested before jumping headfirst thing would have went quite differently for them. Letting keyleth cause an unnecessary fight is what fucked them up.

@@asluckdespairs really that was Vax this time. He started this pain train.

@@asluckdespairs so wait for a 1 hour for a short rest or 8h for a long to let reishan have her way with the body, they had to try and stop her, even if she wasnt using thordaks body for other things shes still a evil entity who would no doubt return for retaliation no matter the amount of time she promised to stay away and needed to be dealt with, it was the right call

Or doors

@@duman173 I'm sorry but i have to disagree if it was the right call but who knows? Maybe it was one of the best choice to make because they are still alive. I would consider regrouping first and then striking at the same time (or at the same pace), so it leaves Raishan with only a little amount of time to react. If Scanlan was there he could have counterspelled her invisibility and let the rest work. I just hate that Vax ask Keyleth out of all people in the group.

True. Very true. Watching this in 2022 too lol

I can't even remember why people hated 2017 anymore

@@laurens.6940 I believe it was the political situation

Watching this in November 2022 in Florida.

yea i mean, 2017 was a good year in comparison. somehow

It makes me happy that I’m not the only person watching this in 2021/2022

@@bradleydixon1589 i think there are more of us than you think hehe

@@mayapplesauce1396 Definitely, and I have a good idea why, too.

@@zemorph42 Because good content is timeless.

If they knew the rules of the system they play they'd know they can jump a number of feet equal to their strength score without needing to roll at all. Those tiles are 10 feet each. Keyleth's STR is 14. The only way she would've had to roll is if she tried jumping over the widest parts of the lava river.

It really could have. I swear, I think I see a few DM moments from Matthew where he might have fudged certain stuff to prevent massive loss of life but let's be honest...for a lot of them it's their first time playing a type of game like this.

Let’s be honest here. It should have gone badly. The fact they survived was a miracle, or amazing DMing. Fighting a tactician dragon right after a roided up Super Dragon AND having a split party in a hostile environment? Like jumping out of a plane, they should have died. Walking away with only broken bones would be unbelievably lucky.

@@Nickle_King I mean I think you saw some DM forgiveness there. When Vax goes to zero, and also when Keyleth jumps into the lava he asks for HP BEFORE rolling damage. Which is fine because it's their game and they can play as they wish. But yeah, I get the feeling the DM didn't want a slaughter and eased up a lot.

just because the character dies doesn't mean that the person stop's playing they just make new characters that get worked into the story

@@vaughnmonkey if every single character died, they might have had some struggles continuing.

Nenene Ness - and keyleth almost did too!

Best Shakespearean quote there is

ah poetic mastery

who stabs who

@@leolion_plantstar9462HE stabs HIM

They did though?

they did have a fair bit more NPC help, like the airship and such with Thordak, particularly Raishan herself assisting them. it might just be a matter of 'counters', Thordak was relatively speaking, countered by the fire resistance potions and was straight muscle that was absolutely insane that VM can bash their heads (or more likely Grog's and Vax's) against. Raishan however, is a cunning fighter with very powerful magic and a will to survive while they had used most of their power JUST killing Thordak (Vax reaaaaallly jumped the gun to make such a major decision without even consulting the party, only asking Keyleth who has shown her herself to be massively stupid and unreasonable with Raishan, note making death threats constantly in Whitestone with complete disregard for what would wipe out the city like her precious Fire Ashari) might be a situation of Raishan would've been crushed by Thordak if she tried to battle him herself, but she's far more deadly to the party than Thordak would be

matt said that he likes tricking players into making them think it's gonna be an easy fight and then turning weak creatures stronger and more clever, so they gonna be a more serious threat all of a sudden ;)

I think they were received by the *relative* size between Thordak and Raishan. She was small *compared to him,* but they forgot how big she was compared to V.M. After fighting Thordak they were prolly thinking, "Oh, she's small we can take her!" 😅

Not really. Matt buffed Raishan so much that she is probabily the most powerfull monster in the history of D&D. She can cast 4 spells per turn. FUCKING FOUR SPELLS. She was casting spells after every single player action. She casted cone of cold twice in a single turn. There is no way to prepare for that. All the other Dragons were tough, but nothing close to this. Matt created new rules to make sure everything went as he wanted. Like creating a wall to stop Raishans pursuit. So you tell me she flied 160 feet carrying two eggs and also created an invisible barrier at the same time, considering she had just cast a lot of spells in less than 6 seconds? Completely unfair.

I mean they also fought two powerful dragons in a row, they lost a lot in the fight with Thordak so when it came to raishan they were starting to run on fumes

Truer words have never been spoken

Thank you. I needed to hear that. Going back to ignoring the hate comments now 😛

It's actually not too bad unless you open up the replies (especially when there are a lot of replies)

Thanks for the much needed reminder. I started with campaign 2 where everyone boasted about how "great" the community of CR is, and I completely agreed. Yet, coming to watch this campaign for the first time, "great" is definately not how it started. So much unnessacary hate, and for what? I'm just happy people have grown up for campaign 3 and spread love not hate. But hey, "if you can't love yourself how in the hell are you gonna love somebody else" :)

@@liznolen1117 I think the best way to describe it is that us Critters are passionate. Anyone who watches several hundred hours of content would have to be. Unfortunately, some Critters turn that passion into hate.

There's caption for all the episodes and god thanks because english is not my first language so it would be really hard to understand what's happening if those caption weren't here

@@abriicotier4775 Subtitles also make it a lot easier to watch at 1.5x / 1.75x

P.s. wasnt trying to be mean just worry about you guys!

S P A C I N G

Metallisika yikes

Your forgot to say spread out

@Metallisika I love your comment so much.

Sam is Dead z

@Sam is Dead, you LEGEND!!! (Especially for the "timestamp" idea!!!)

1:14:37 You'll thank me later

Sam is Dead r

1:50:14 Brass*

LA is the official city of dumbass libtard scumbags with no appreciation for AMERICAN language or values.

@@whiteamerican1988 there's no such thing as an "American" language. There's English and Spanish and a great joke, that went over your head...

Stine Agerbæk you must be one of the LA dumbasses

White American Goddamn calm down.

@@nickxcaliber7991 well, the US has never declared an official or national language

Well, if they weren't exhausted from just killing a bigger dragon, they may have had a better chance at this. The issue of possibly fighting two battles in a row when you need to put out all the stops for a bigger threat is what you won't have much for later.

I mean ti be fair they were just in a bigger fight

*Whitestone Whiterun is in Skyrim 😀❤️

Not to mention the abysmal rolls

They should've asked jarl balgruff to assist them since they were in "whiterun"......

if only we'd listened

*maniacal laughter* U.N. is going crazy

Raise? Sam wrote raise? But his daughter is an adult.

@@MorinehtarTheBlue Yes. See the Campaign 1 wrap-up episode. Sam reads the entire letter in full (I was wrong in earlier comment when I said Ashley did the out-loud reading - it was Sam)

​@@MorinehtarTheBlue Scanlan's daughter, at most, is MAYBE a young adult. gnomes reach adulthood around 40 years of age, and assuming scanlan is _actually_ 69 - 71 years old over the course of the series, it's safe to say she's not actually an adult just yet in terms of gnomes. i'd wager she's around 20 - 25 years old, personally.

I'd say "raise" is probably used pretty loosely. more like... be a good influence on and help guide

I loved the face Travis made when Laura read that out, you can see how much he appreciates the story-telling 👍

This could have easily been a TPK If Matt hadn't have made Rishan decide to leave.

@@alexandraboeschenstein3916 How is Raishan going to kill or even survive J'Mon?

Because Raishan was hasted, but he only took one action each round

I’m not sure that’s true. It’s my understanding of the rules of lair actions that the dragon activates (they can’t choose the same one twice in a row);them so they should have stopped with Thordaks death. Regional effects either end or improve over time, so a lot of that damage wouldn’t have happened. Having said that the DM is always right, but if Matt knew the rule and chose a different one it kind of shows he wasn’t being easy on the party.

Vax should have insta-died when he went down, 2 death saves failed for the tail attack after he went down to the claw and then another one from hitting the ground...

Oh vax, that was such a mistake

Its amazing how little flack he got from that.

Here’s a rule for all you roleplayers out there: if your course of action has a very high chance of killing multiple people other than you, don’t f***ing do it no matter how ‘in character’ it is.

Laura is so talented. All these guys are but her, Matt, Travis and Liam are truly top notch voice actors

The closer the camera is to someone the more detached from the surrounding space they become, which in turn makes them seem more detached from reality. Film theory :D

You managed to binge this? Imlove the show don't get me worng, but at so many points did i was annoyed and had to stop

@@lefterismplanas4977 being annoyed at stuff depends on how you view the show and what your like about it. What annoys a lot of people (and rightly so some stuff can be annoying) doesn't bother others

And 4 years later I finished the book today, watched this episode and read this comment. What's the opposite of serendipity? It hurts Slim.

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thank you!

Bump

DAMN and then Keyleth almost kills him xD

Yeah, Bullshit there too, I was furious. Vex gets a 15 feet fall and gets an auto fail, this jackass gets a 60 feet fall and nothing. I understand he could have forgotten that, partially because of THE CONSTANT WHINNING AND REMINDING OF FUCKING EVASION AND UNCANNY SHITDGE

He didn't just fall 60 feet and nothing. He fell 60 feet and failed 2 saving throws. Sure it should have been 3 but still, he showed mercy and only made it 2 and he just got lucky that he didn't die in the hands of Keyleth.

I saw that too. The DM ignored that last tail attack which, if Vax was within 5ft. would have been 2 fails in addition to the fail from the fall. Vax technically died if not for some "divine intervention"

Dastariel Vek why not write matt and the gang and tell them how their fun is wrong and you can do better so youll be taking over, DMing and playing all characters.

Liam Doc It was an eventuality he would have tried to kill an evil entity, even if it was an ally at the time. Why? Because of the Vengence Paladin's Oath.

@@icspps he could have waited- at least until the rest of the party arrived- or preferably until they were well rested.

@@archie4president330 You are absolutely right. However, Liam Obrien has a tendency to not wait for people. Remember Cassandra in Whitestone?

@@icspps to be fair he has said he wanted to play a somewhat pig-headed and more boyish rogue, but I do agree. If it's fun for him then great but his character at least isn't good at planning forward. Still it's a great show.

@@archie4president330 RPing is important to fun. But if it messes with your team and changes situations from under control to deadly, it really should be decided as a group.

I'm there with you bro :(

Four months from that comment, and looking at the number of episodes, don't think of it as 2 years to catch up on, think of it as being halfway to episode 46 of the new campaign.

Just got here. What episode you on now?

Same

We are so far behind

I still value Ripley higher, because she was a character I wanted to learn more about, Raishan is just an evil backstabber whom Vox Machina knew well enough to do the backstabbing first.

I think Raishan is pretty interesting. It's rare for a dragon to be that empathetic and go so low as to ally itself to "humans", even if deceptively. Ripley literally just stole Percy's work and wrote her name on it.

Sarah Andrea Royce Though if Raishan's story is true (and I think it is), wouldn't that make THORDACK the backstabber? He broke the deal first. When you think of that, then Raishan actually hasn't betrayed anyone yet. Quite the opposite actually. Everyone backstabs HER.

^THIS!

most people have figured that Raishan would have back-stabbed the party eventually

I would be so on edge-

Jester isn't a healer though.

@@Melina_Evarblume_Seelie oh and Vex was? 🙄🙄🙄

I do love battle jester though

I'm THE Cleric?!?

Matt's face spoke for me at that moment. It was the cherry on top of a whole night of awful dice rolls. I was so done with those fucking dice by that point.

She shouldn’t have needed to roll at all for such a small jump. The whole episode was mostly a mess, continuing on from the last.

Basically the two people he's closest to were either the cause of them fighting when they shouldn't have attempted (Kyleth) or suffered most from the fight (Vex). That would make shit awful rough for an character that gets so deep into the emotions.

it’s so great to watch talks machina and listen to Liam’s thoughts about the moment.. he knew as a player that it would be an awful decision, but had to attack based on what Vax the character would do! such a cool commitment to the story, it makes these moments feel so much more real and meaningful ❤

i certainly hope so

It doesn't seem he takes as much accountability for his actions as he should based on the next episode. Scanlan had every reason to absolutely lay into him and probably should have been more forceful in pressing the point.

@@miimo_channel its not cool commitment to character, its annoying and selfish to almost kill your entire party with an incredibly stupid decision that only makes sense to you the player. What did Vax think was going to happen? That having completely exhausted themselves fighting Thordak that Raishan was just dessert? No, he should be thinking that he’s going to get everyone he cares about killed.

She said she had a way to force him to tell the truth.

Yea she used a scroll which was probably a lot more powerfull than just casting speak with dead, it probably dominates the soul aswell or something like that.

He could have been mad enough it to relise

@@deanthompson88 yeah if a caster at raishans level needs a scroll u doubt the spell needs permission to get its info

@@ianberry5562 Her magical prowess doesn't really factor into her needing to use a scroll, she probably isn't able to learn "speak with the dead" with her caster class (I'm pretty sure she is a sorceress).

Yup. Matt knows this and doesn't want to do it/plays it off like it was the tail attack that hit Vax (narrates it slamming him down), never resolves it and doesn't even give Vax a single failed throw from the tail attack, just one from the fall damage.

13:39, it’s basically the same idea

Seeing as only Bards and Clerics can learn the spell, she absolutely did not have the capacity to cast Speak With Dead without the scroll.

@@TheThreeHeadedDragon technically raw she couldnt do that even with the scroll (can only do scrolls of your class and need to roll for lvls higher than you have) but yeah

@@mel-burnes I'm pretty sure anyone can use scrolls

@@khatogast6916 well do i have news for you! > If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material components. Otherwise, the scroll is unintelligible.

@@mel-burnes Lot Lots of dragons bard around Westrun in their gap year before college.

Kayley, not Hayley

Fairyfyre only works in a 40-foot cube, and Raishon could have easily dispelled it, or avoided it. and chances are Keyleth didn't learn such a spell for this mission.

Syd Phillius She explicitly said she had Fairy Fire during the fight. Instead she chose to turn into a fire elemental and do diddly squat for 4 rounds. Thank god for Gilmore’s quick thinking though.

@@enigma7ic And one more reason she didn't drop elemental form, she only had some 50 hp left on her true form, so no point risking getting whacked into the lava, or beaten to death via Raishon's melee attacks.

Also cast call lightning and did nothing with it at all

Keyleth/Marisha was aware, even contemplated using it out loud at the start, but decided not to as there was little guarantee of hitting Raishan.

It would have been but she was on the ceiling the whole time

@Shaun O’Brien while the lair actions were frustrating, Matt does not stick to every classic D&D rule, this is their home brew game. Also, from a storytelling perspective it also makes sense, Thordak has had months to turn Emon into essentially a fire plane, and just bc he’s dead doesn’t mean magma and lava will become inert :)

There’s not really any evidence to say it’s not

I'm so happy with the way this ended. Their stupid impulsivity nearly got everyone killed. Could have waited for everyone to get there and attempt to get an understanding of the situation. But no, stabby stab.

Scanlan screwed everyone over with not calling on J'mon earlier though.

Was definitely a waste of Percy's bullets

I mean, none of them knew how to get out, and in their position, I would've destroyed the eggs too, just in case if we couldn't come back for a while, we don't need a new generation of THAT

To be fair, think from an end of the world perspective. Focus the green dragon that keeps killing you over and over after a legendary red dragon fight whilst they can’t even see the green dragon, or try and get rid of as many dragon spawn as possible so even if they die the world isn’t subjected to more dragons lol

I wish they just didn't attack Raishan after immediately fighting Thordak

​@@michael_am yes, exactly. it was more noble than strategic

last episode at the very end: Meteor Swarm (9th)

This is great to see, thank you

Raishan is literally stronger than Thordak the way Matt built her. Level 20 full spellcaster (or at least 17+) on top of ancient green dragon abilities, along with the capability of casting a spell as a legendary action... Even starting from even footing, Raishan would have been a far deadlier opponent than Thordak.

​@@christopherarmstrong8255 not to mention the spamming of dispel magic. It's SO COOL when the DM blatantly metagames in order to make enemies seem smart despite having both logical flaws in their plans and a lack of information. I mean, if Raishan had any real intelligence she would have teleported herself and Throdak's corpse before a fight could even start.

@@donovangunther4538 or Raishan knew they had fire resistance from the Thordak fight, Matt has always described enemies having resistance to their attacks by giving clues like "it doesn't seem to do as much damage as it should" or something like that, makes sense that Raishan knew they had fire resistance just from her seeing VM fight Thordak

Or they could have waited until they were rested and prepared to fight her.........

@@donovangunther4538 She was dispelling the Heroes' Feast immunity to poison she knew they would use because they talked about when she was there and then invited people to join...and its a 1 hour long feast she could easily keep tabs on. He didn't need t do any metagaming for that.

The regular dc that he implies for revivify is 10 it should have got up by 1 or 2 because she alredy was revivified in the past but liam as Pike had a chance to lower it by how he described it and I think all things considered (middle of a fight, ashley isnt there to do it and everything) he was merciful but it wasnt over the top so its ok..

@@isaac8734 it was. this episode should have been the tpk, lava and everything. bad decisions. I love the story and I am greatful they are not dead and this adventure continues. But to be fair... :D

Basic DC is 10. -3 to DC for each successful contribution (Normally up to 3 can contribute). +1 to DC for any failed contributions, and +1 for each previous resurrection.

@@isaac8734 Well RAW Revify just insta revives no ritual or rolls needed. So either way Vex would have been revived, Matt created a rule for increasing tension around death but he gets to be lenient with it since it's his rule.

Yeah, I get their house rule but for a combat spell like revivify that only works for a minute anyways... not a good rule. Getting in 3 contributions mid combat just cripples that spell.

new equipment over break as well as two of the original pit crew left and as far as we know only one person was hired in their stead. New person still learning. It is fixed later.

its understandable, just sometimes in these videos the audio cuts out at the most inopportune times

Mimic Matt is best Matt

+Dakota Campbell Don't worry about it, I understand. But the new guy still needs time to adjust.

there's like only 3 guys in the crew. and now two got new jobs.

Except that it totally made sense for Vax's character, class and the narrative as a whole, if you didn't think Raishan, the mostly full health Ancient GREEN Dragon nicknamed 'The Diseased Deceiver' wasn't going to betray Vox Machina after getting what she wanted from Thordak's corpse then you're a fool.

@@DannyMakesVideosIGuess Possibly. But they could have adapted to the situation or bargained or delayed. Which would buy them time for a long rest which they DESPERATELY needed.

@@nspinicelli That's a completely fair point, they were all on the edge of empty when Raishan was attacked. However, in Vax's eyes, whatever Raishan truly wanted with Thordak whether it was a cure or not was happening right in front of him, and as a vengeance paladin he was not going to let her finish unharried.

@@DannyMakesVideosIGuess That's one way to think about the situation. I personally was thinking (when I originally watched this) that it was only knowledge that Raishan would obtain, and action was not required right then and there, so there was no ultra-mega rush to attack. Granted, perhaps Raishan would have moved somewhere more advantageous, but at least they would have been rested.

@@nspinicelli I was in the frame of mind, all of Vox Machina and Co. were very very wounded and low of health, Raishan had chose to affect Vax with a chain lightning and pretty much focused lizardmen, she only attacked Thordak when she was at risk or when there was nothing else to do. From that it was obvious to me she was hedging her bets, getting the battle to be as 50/50 as possible so she could sweep through whatever was left. After Thordak was killed and she had her information, I was under no illusion that she was going to leave straight away, In my eyes she was going to try to talk to them all until her breath recharged, meanwhile removing their Hero's Feast, and breath attack them, essentially knocking out at least 75% of the group.

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