Rambo - Hollywood Vietnam | Renegade Cut 

Hollywood, just another arm of the military industrial complex.

I often have to explain some of these themes from the 80s Rambo movies, and often get a reply about Schwarzenegger doing their same thing. The one man army action films, may be similar, but Schwarzenegger has only fought generic enemies in most of his films, with the unarmed Dictator in Commando, or the terrorists in True Lies, being the closest to it. Chuck Norris and Stallone were fighting a specific country, and their alleged puppet(Russia), while also spinning that conspiracy of captive prisoners a decade after the war in Vietnam. I remember having arguments with kids about POWs still being in Vietnam, after I had read many books on the conflict and articles written about the conspiracies. None had any proof, nor did they ever feel it needed any, because for many 80’s kids, this idea was planted early and was told in many films, and TV shows such as Magnum P.I., which even had an old Russian adversary for a villain. Where I lived my school looked like a George Bush volunteer center. The city was so Red, that I only remember 2 teachers who weren’t actively talking about him and how important the election was, or very proud republicans. So many of those kids I grew up with just believed anything an “authority figure” told them.

@@jackskellingtonation It *can* be, and it is required for the US military to co-operate with filmmakers. If you see a movie with real US military equipment - warplanes, etc, you can know that the US military approved the script first.

Renegade Cut pow is an appeal to emotion- Kris of trineday revealed the drug angle yet we know several other ops were activated Popeye & Phoenix as well as a cottage industry including both sides of a manufactured dialectic- Jim Morrison family served as both a catalyst and remedy- culture creation perfected

Awesome critique but where’s Chuck Norris and the missing in action crapfest? I grew up in the 90s and watched a ton of 80s action movies as a kid, chuck’s movies left in an impression for me because of how good evil they made Vietnam seem.

LOL! don't even bring up politics is superhero movies...

Didn't you hear? Media can only ever be "political" if it involves women and minorities in non-stereotypical roles!

And keep politics out of sports (as Trump takes a lap around the Daytona speedway in his limo).

@@mickeyg7219 on the other hand, the more a superhero movie uses military assets the more jingoistic it is. Remember Iron Man and the narrative of "the only reason we are doing such a bad job of winning in the middle east is because they are stealing our high tech guns!"

Right wingers think that anything that isn’t conservative is political. They’re so stubborn and stuck in their ways that they don’t understand or see that ANYTHING can be political or say some kind of message.

-- Too true.

RIP George Carlin you were 1 of my favorite comedians

I cried everytime your country said they are good and they cared

Given how the warmongers and "humanitarians" are acting in America right now, they seem to regret not bombing Afghanistan into the neolithic time period like a pack of psychopaths. Any lessons that we could of learned, out the bloody window much like Vietnam.

. . . and, in real life, Sylvester Stallone ran away, to avoid being drafted to fight the International Red Menace in Viet Nam; facts glossed over by TIME magazine when they reported about the movie star who spoke for combat vets.

Fuck stallone , i hope he bwcomw villain in next movie with horrible death

There were OSS agents telling the State Department to support Ho Chi Minh but muh communism overruled all rational thought.

This is popular stance on the subject from American point of view. That it was just some crazy tarzans that shoot coconuts from trees xd. But still, America aside I dislike framing Viet minh as just a victim. Totalitarian communism in vietnam is problem to this day, even if in a completely different form than in China or in Soviet Russia

yup. And not merely at a military lvl; the Viet Minh/Viet Cong had been deeply involved in political organizing, protest, local government, and civic services. They organized themselves as both an active opposition within the French colonial system, and an alternative government outside of it. Ken Burns's doc on Vietnam, somewhat inadvertently, manages to give probably the best sense of this available to mainstream US audiences just through its interviews with Viet Minh/Cong individuals.

I think that N. Vietnam became more totalitarian the longer the war dragged on. It's like the US went after a wild animal under the fiction that it was a monster, but in pursuing it and fighting it, N. Vietnam slowly turned it into the monster they were after in the first place, and by that point the US didn't have the stomach for it. If they had just avoided the whole conflict in the first place I don't think N. Vietnam would have become so totalitarian. The best thing would have just been to not intervene at all.

@@21Arrozito Vietnamese here, and yeah I don't like my authoritarian government at all, but it wasn't supposed to. Ho Chi Minh actually wanted nothing to do with China, he hated them more than even the French, because China had a long history of invading us (at one point we were practically one of their provinces for 1 thousand years). Indeed, Vietnam and China did go to war just a few years after the Americans left

US: No, it's everyone else in the entire world who's wrong!

The World: Kinda,yes.

@@user-jn1wm3tb8v listen I know people like to talk shit about the United States and rightly so. But don't think for a moment the United States did nothing in World War 2. That is flat out ignorant and stupid.

well yes, but actually depends

Very interesting comparison. Glad you shared

The documentaries do and many books on the subject on how America should have not gotten involved and if we did it would have been better to support Ho Chi because Ho Chi actual use to work in a bakery in Boston he understood America.

you’re very right with the British empire exploits & the brutal reality of colonisation by the british as a nigerian, one of the many countries formerly part of the british empire

@@kappadarwin9476 oh he understood united States better than most white politicians then.he had an deep understanding of the situation of African Americans in US.

And all this time, I was confused about those stories of vets getting spit on by protesters who wants them to return.

This right here. This is one of those stories that adults would tell when you asked them about why the world is the way it is. The adults I grew up around, it turns out, all their world wisdom is full of shit. The really fucked up part, I can't be mad at them for lying, they don't realize that. But being gullible sacks of shit and going along with everything...

My stepfather has this whole story about he was spit on and a hippie stole his luggage. He punched the guy out and was taken to an examination room, where a mysterious man in a black suit let him off with a wink. That's not a joke. That's the story he tells over and over.

What was the documentary? Ive been looking for a good vietnam war doc

Jasmine Kelley then that was a plant, hmm... still technically untrue

So was the A-Team and Robocop

@@PancakemonsterFO4 That's a good mention! Robocop starts as a R-rated satire on corporatism, got turned into corporate merch for children!

That was Brian Dennehey

In Rambo 2, that was Charles Napier as Murdock, not Brian Keith.

Rambo the kids cartoon was class he had a flame thrower. I would love it to be remade, rambo would go in and bust up strikes assassinate anyone trying to start up a union.

@@jaspervanheycop9722 "Who knows? But they're clearly hiding it for some reason." Thus the conspiracy is rendered unassailable. The reason for the conspiracy is naturally as hidden as the conspiracy itself. The only think I can think of is countering it with another conspiracy theory, that is to suggest that the original conspiracy is merely a smokescreen for another conspiracy, which it is.

I always thought it was about the US government just kinda dumping Vietnam veterans back into society, with no assistance at all.

I had a friend who was a Vietnam vet and people would often thank him for his service. He'd then say "things sure have changed from back in the day." Apparently, he believed this myth about servicemen being mistreated after Vietnam.

Same here. I've heard that since I was old enuff to know what Viet Nam was.

I believe I somewhat remember reading from my U.S. History textbook in my Junior year of high school that the "spitting on servicemen" was not a myth and that it "did happen." I’m not too sure about it now, but learning recently how it was all a myth really put a distaste in my mouth.

Jeeves Anthrozaur that is fake; there has been no version of the movie with this. There's a video out there that debunks this myth

And then Frank Stallone sings a cover of The Hollies' "He Ain't Heavy, He's my Brother" (Rambo III end credits). Ah, propaganda!

It was dedicated to "The gallant people of Afghanistan"

Big fucking oof

This has not aged well at all.

It was a victory, the goal was to destroy Vietnam then leave. Chomsky talks about it

who? I've never encountered these people. but then again, I live in a very progressive leaning place.

Otto: "We did not lose Vietnam. It was a tie!"

@@ryanpyle9822 thank you very much for making me look that Chomsky tidbit up, bro; sincerely. Here's the video (see video timestamp 41:29): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-82XBmo0a6r4.html

@@mickeyg7219 very cool millenials!

The 2000s and 2010s as well: London has fallen, American sniper, etc.

Black hawk down is a grotesque propaganda movie.

Well not all films in the 80s where right wing Propoganda Full metal jacket was a satire on Vietnam, Terminator was a critique on the military industry & corporatism, Robocop was a satire on Corporatism & Violence with the police like it didn't take it's self too seriously, The Star Wars Sequels (including the Ewok Movies) where critiques on Vietnam where the Rebels were the Vietmanese, The Empire were the Americans & Palpatine was Nixon, Indiana Jones is about Stopping Nazis from invading areas & Stealing treasures (Mostly because Steven Spielberg was Jewish & his Dad fought in WW2), They Live calls out the Bull$hit with Ronald Reagan same with Escape from New York you could also say That She-Ra was an anti Imperialism show (Although the Netflix Reboot did a better job with this especially with its pro LGBTQ+ themes) & Etc so the 80s had leftist/liberal (Maybe liberalism IDK) & not just right wing or far right movies/show but I get what you mean.

--- You are too kind; excellent allusion to Ambrose Bierce. Thanks.

You want to know something funny about that idea? In the book that the Rambo film, the first one, is based off of. Well....Rambo dies at the end. There are no sequels of books, at all. So it's actually quite plausible that idea could be true.

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He did one about homoeroticism in 80-90's action movies and included a bit on Top Gun.

Navy, Top Gun is navy. Not air force

--- Correct, because victory in and against Viet Nam is merely an extension of the U.S. slave-state preserved by HRH Richard the Nixon, King of the World.

You havn't been listening to cominform propaganda. Of course they're gonna say we're the bad guys!

@@Namkify Come on wake up America has always been the bad guy and History proves it...look on how the so called nation began,with an act of genocide kmt

I think the first two missing in Action films are far better then Rambo 2 and 3.

The book is better ... and has a pretty different message than the movie. Stallone's big speech at the end of part 1 makes that film cringe-worthy for me these days.

sadly for all the conservative call out about Hollywood liberal elite pushing political messages, they still cheer leader hollywood elite when it suit them.

Hamburger Hill is a good one too, just saw that one the other week.

--- No, you are wrong; Mr. Wilson's war was about personal profit, not about helping Afghanistan.

@@marianotorrespico2975 can you explain?

You would have fucked the country the same way you did Iraq

The Mujahideens are not the Taliban.

@@darimiwamubarak they're kinda linked tho

al qaeda

the US created it.

"Dedicated to the gallant Mudjahideen fighters" ... according to the end-credits. Yeah... that line didn't age well ... :D i.redd.it/5whaj2kr4wi31.jpg

The mujahideen of the 70s and 80s were succeeded by the Taliban, who kinda hate their predecessors.

The "dedicated to the mujahideen" thing is a myth. Photoshop. Mandella effect. It was always "gallant people of Afghanistan" at the end.

@@renegadecut9875 Funny. The "people" quote is what I thought I remembered and had it typed in my response before I edited it. Then I googled the dedication, found the pic and thought I had mis-remembered or that the production company had perhaps altered the dedication. Turns out I was wrong, thanks for pointing that out. :)

Correct; with the draft-dodging dullard Donald Trump, we are living in Nixon's police-state 'Murica, with Reagan's honest-guy racism, and Joe McCarthy's forked tongue defining who is 'Murican and who is American.

Let us know

I don't think you need to be ashamed of enjoying a movie with some problematic elements XD if so, I'd have to be ashamed of many of my favorite movies...

@@Gloomdrake It did a bit. 🙁 Mainly the realization that the sympathy I feel towards Rambo's mistreatment by the society he came back to was really uncommon, and kind of misdirects the guilt of Vietnam towards the civilians dissatisfied with it, instead of the government that should have never been there in the first place.

--- Excellent idea. I look forward to such a perspective of U.S. imperialism.

Yeah having the opponents be hideous monsters that lack eyes and kill by tearing humans apart is probably not the best way to portray Vietnam allegorically.

It'd be a cool twist if the Xenomorphs were only doing what they do in order to avoid extinction by the human industrial complex.

I love Gone With the Wind. It’s a brilliant movie. But as we should all recognize, it’s depiction of slavery is problematic as all get out!!! It’s place in movie history is undeniable and it is very good overall. It’s okay to like something but completely ignoring problematic things about them is a disservice to those the movie misrepresents. At least that’s my thought. Oh and that marital rape scene hasn’t aged well either.

I grew up watching John Wayne movies in the seventies. I think I was about eight the first time I saw "The Green Berets". I was two young at the time to realize it was just propaganda. For Much of my life he was my favorite actor. As I got older not only did I come to understand how conservative he was but later saw some old racist quotes from him about African Americans and Native Americans. I still have to deal with some mixed emotions about how horrible his politics were but still love some of his films.

--- Correct, because most folk deliberately ignore that "Hollywood" is a business, nothing more.

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@@renegadecut9875 Thank you for clarifying! Loved this video btw, keep up the good work

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