I think he said it because the turning of her flame is delayed compared to when you turn on the joystick, and many characters can counter her(not all). This makes his statement true about her being hard to use, especially in showdown with alot of assassins
auto aiming is easy aiming is hard ,its hard to hold lane when u deal little dmg pwr projectile because enemy will juke behind walls and her projectiles are very slow, sure mid range shes no skill but if ur playing againdt good players she will be hard to play against longer range
@@dino_brawlits not that hard to aim as the flames are like a beam, you can move it towards the enemy easily and the enemy cant dodge unless they move backwards
u need to understand the difference between what basic skills take to master and the skill cap like how many different mechanics of a brawler there are to master because this is what he is talking about
I know I know we've seen Ambers autoaiming until they are out of ammo all the time, but keep in mind: I'm ranking the POTENTIAL and I believe that good aim on Amber in combination with movement makes this brawler so much better. Also controlling your oil, gadget, etc.
@@CozarGCS I honestly stopped in 6min I can't see more of his "mistakes" (because it's way too far from being his personal opinion, think of Bibi being "high skill cap" and Bull being "Average skill" ...
@@Casual780 Buzz is my main, since i unlocked him 3 years ago, but he is no skill in this current meta. Breacks my heart seing it. But hey Buzz' full potential is extremly hard to reach.
1:40 What in the world makes Amber so hard? Auto spamming with her aim, or just pressing her extremely op and skillless gadget? Or throwing out her enormously large super? Like what?
Everyone are cofused so let me explain Its because auto aiming with amber is very effective but youll still miss some shots which is why un really high level and in order to master her you must manually aim which is incredibly hard to always hit while aiming with amber. While i dont think shes the hardest, she should probably be in the bottom oh very hugh skill but since auto aiming is still very effective with her u can still count it as mastering and then she would be no skill
28:34 Snake explaining why Chuck is no skill: "Chuck is no skill, like man Chuck is like a heist brawler, play him in heist, play him with four stations, spamming super all the time, that's like absolutely no skill" 1:42 Snake explaining why Amber is very high skill: "I thing Amber is not an easy brawler especially with aim, many people are just spamming autoaim with Amber, but that does not mean this brawler is easy to play" You can see the difference. The excuse for Amber being very high skill is that you can aim insted of autoaim, which like the same for every brawler 💀💀 And excuse for chuck being no skill is that he's a heist brawler
With that said, a lot of other s tier heist brawlers should be considered less skillful using that logic. Colt, colette, various throwers, etc. would automatically be considered non-skilled automatically if you were to only consider hitting a sitting target.
Chuck can do a lot of things: 1. Push Enemies with super. 2. Cancel Supers and gadgets. (Obs: Its hard and you need to know exactly the time thats not obviously. 3. Can dodge. 4. Can save allies being a Shield. 5. Counter Brawlers Stealing Ammo. 6. Using a cicle for dash + gadget + super = goal in brawl ball. (Obs: All that need a plan for the future and the positioning can be not that clear, sometimes just put flags in the mid is really bad and most part of the people dont know how to use gadget) 7. Tired of list, but have a lot more things... I play a lot with chuck and start play this game in the beta with VPN in 2017, this list is dumb, sorry for that, Snake is only using personal parameters and being close mind for a lot of possibilities and potencial
Collete being lower skill than amber is so diabolical 💀 Edit: Not to mention, I would love to see the reasoning behind stu being a very high skill cap and melodie being in the same tier as EDGAR in no skill.
@@up2thatamber is pure auto aim, her super isn’t hard to hit and the fact she has a starpower that lets her charge her super isn’t very skillful and having a gadget that litterly gives her a super and speed boost, meanwhile Colette takes more skill cause you actually have to aim her shots and her super, even though she has a high DPS she still requires skill to play
@@SandyfanHere I thought he explained in the video why amber was so high. Ig you don’t agree? Maybe collete should be high skill but even then you just have to two tap and super to kill any brawler. I can also understand why amber is so high. You don’t get much value by just auto aiming you have to be methodical and use the ammo wisely. ALSO, maybe you missed the meaning of “Skill to real skill”? Amber requires more skill to get the most value compared to collete, while still requiring skill to aim and use gadgets wisely it’s not nearly to the level of Amber.
I hate how you keep judging a brawler's skill based on the gamemode they are typically played in. As someone with The Collector title, playing Colette on heist is braindead for sure; but pushing her on literally any other mode is WAY higher skill cap. Same with chuck, you say he's no skill because "just play him on heist and spam super" but again, that's just ONE GAMEMODE. Put him in something like brawl ball, and you actually have to be smart with your posts, where you put them, using the knockback to save and score goals. Judging brawlers based on the gamemode they are the best in is terrible for judging the potential the brawler has because there is no room for skill expression, you just win. You have to base their potential on every gamemode because its the gamemodes they are bad in where skill actually shines, since it is actually required to win.
Yes, but he's judging them in all the gamemodes and maps the brawlers make sense in. For example, the C tier brawlers are only playable in certain maps and modes. You're not gonna play mortis in heist or Angelo on snake prairie. He mentions countless times how a brawler would play as a gem carry, mid-lane, on hot zone, on belle's rock, in heist, in showdown, and he shows clips in brawl ball as well.
Never watching these rankings again. amber bibi dynamike buzz crow being high skill cap is crazy plus grey being high skill insted of high skill cap tier.💀💀💀💀🙏🙏🙏🙏
He's talking about the skill cap of the brawler. For example dyna shots are very hard to actually hit in a 1v1 situation (at high elo), so you need really good predictions. Also knowing how to do triple dynajump is actually useful if you don't just do it for no reason, so it increases his skill cap
You don't seem to understand what "cap" means, it means how much skill it takes to play the class to its full capacity. Or in other words: How much better a perfect player could be than the average player. So, buzz, crow, amber and bibi might be easy to play but hard to master, that just literally means that their maximum skill capacity is higher, not that you need to be amazing at the game to play with them on a normal skill level
Sometimes you close your eyes on so many things and just rate a brawler based on one particular aspect. I know this might be a bit nerdy, but you could do a more detailed review by rating each criteria and combining them into a final score: 1. Final potential (how difficult it is to master). 2. Early potential (how difficult it is to become decent). 3. Aiming (how difficult to hit). 4. Game sensitivity (how difficult to adapt to different situations). 5. Super dependency (how much super does for a player, e. g. brawlers like Jessie or Bo would have 1/5 in the category). 6. Specialty (how difficult to master a special mechanic a brawler has, e. g. dyna jumps). 7. Attack range (more difficult to play if you have shorter range, isn’t it?).
Fax,snake puts el primo to easy to master but piper high skill,like literally how?el primo can’t charge his super with just waiting unlike edgar,he has a low range(i agree that it is harder to play with low range),you can’t get close to piper because of her gadget and super,el primo’s hyper charge is only good at teamwiping in brawl ball which is pretty useless against piper because of her super,piper could just kill an el primo with spamming main attack and gadget,el primo has nothing to do against her
Dude is a W, usually characters are rated as follows: for example 8-Bit slow, lots of damage, lots of health = Easy, Medium character. Although if you take into account that because of his speed he is very limited in mobility, because of his speed is not possible to chase enemies or escape from them, because of his speed to hit experienced opponents is very difficult, he is very much tied to his station, and you can still because of his speed, attack mechanics to come up with 101 minuses and in the end it turns out it is not just a fighter who is slow but he has a lot of health and damage.
No hate snake thug but I would say Tara is bottom high Skill because you could use her gadget to block attacks from enemies that could kill you and it's requires a good amount of skill to aim your cards to get most damage
@@SnakeThug7 Literally knowing where to put his super? Just like some brawlers that were supposed to be lower, u putted them higher bcs of the placement
I'll tell you a fact People hate Tick because he does the "Artillery" role better than everyone else Absolute control The best brawler my eyes have witnessed, and ever since, I main Tick
@@dripdog2149 im crow main, but my third favourite brawler is tick, and I think has some skill, because hard to put tick-s head right position, because enemy can easily kill the tick head, when i place it wrong. And the enemy in legendary 3 and master, can easily dodge the tick mines, because tick mines are slow
Tick is no skill i have the guide: Spam red button on enemies for a while Charge yellow button Continue spamming red button An assassin is near you Press green button and yellow button then spam red button Win the match Be star player with the most damage Free mastery “Where is my head” title
Poco in no skill? Amber very high? Man is judging by potential and places bibi 2 tiers above bull, says that piper requires any skill, puts colette, chuk and grom are easy to master? Yeah this tierlist is absolute bullshit
@@swuini you're really asking how? You probably think that in low trophies ash's performance is the same with high. It's invalid. His super most of the time is more than likely to get destroyed without a problem so you need much more skill to use it differently. In everything but range he's outshined by bibi. You need to handle rage with chill pill so you get maximum damage and heal at the same time while using super for backup and catching people off guard. Ash also is a slower tank than others with a bug hitbox so moving with him is also important. You rarely get more than one brawler hit with his attack at high trophies and If people know that ash exists, they will have no hard time playing against him. The only no skill ash is low trophies full aggressive mode, ash with healing comp and ash who only slams autoaim. He also needs a lot of aiming to get some perfect wall hits and maybe get more than one entity with your attack. You also need to count your rage before you attack somebody face to face so he hits you and then with your next hit deal more damage than before. With ash you also need to sacrifice a lot, whether that is your super, your hp, your rage, your ammo. Can you do all that with bibi?
@@Andbix bibi has wide attack relatively same range, hp, damage and speed without the inconsistency of rage. She also has hyper charge, has easier super charge, better gadgets. Are you purposely trying to be wrong or are you actually saying this rubbish. Ash has potential higher than your chance of you coming back from your pointless argument.
This is true that both have relatively the same range for the main attack but for damage I’m not so sure. Since the damage will only be the same if ash gets his rage bar up. But with his normal attack it’s not the same so I get why ash should be higher than Bibi. But the thing is Ash’s super u can’t use it differently it doesn’t change the fact whether you place it far or near it will still get destroyed. There is no other way to use it differently as ash super only targets enemies. While Bibi’s super you are able to use it differently when there are walls on certain maps just like Rico’s bounce which is why on that aspect SnakeThug ranked Bibi higher than Ash. Both are basically no skill but Bibi should be higher in my opinion.
I really hate how he put Edgar at no skill because he didnt want to get hate for it. Being an edgar hater myself, I notice how everyone in high elo showdown focuses edgars so their lives are hard there 😅. But seriously i think snakethug should stick to his own opinions no matter what because hes gonna get hate for a tier list regardless, but thats just other people's opinions. I think we can agree that the people that give him hate for putting amber at very high skill only play amber in low elo and low skill situations so thats all they expect from amber. Anyways, i think the people that flame him for his placements dont play at the level he does so they dont understand even though he explained multiple times that its just his opinion from his gamesense and experience. (Sorry for bad english i started learning 3 days from now) What?
i agree, tbh playing edgar on around 3k trophies really is no skill but to play edgar on like 50k trophies r27 you will see how hard its actually to play him. he has so many counters
@@1mr4n81There’s a difference between a brawler being hard to play and a brawler need skill to play. Example, Edgar is hard to play in showdown because most players in the lobby target him,but if you just look at Edgar’s kit, Edgar is easy as heck to master. You press a gadget, and jump on someone. You also have to know how to dodge and psych people out but that’s pretty much it with him.
Chuck? No skill? In heist and showdown - i COMPLETELY agree, everywhere else - he's the hardest brawler in the GAME. He is literally the ONLY brawler that REQUIRES making a strategy BEFORE you enter the match and actually viewing and analysing maps to make a good use of your track and if you're speaking about potential of brawlers - carry the entire game by yourself and not be the 0/13 bad random. He is the only brawler that REQUIRES playing mind games with your enemies, because chuck is the only brawler that can be ambushed by literally anyone, so predicting and countering these ambushes, and even more - MANIPULATING your enemies to group up and stand near your last pole, using yourself as a bait for your teammates to catch them off-guard and get a teamwipe because the enemies were so focused on waiting for you to super for them to kill you. He is the only brawler that actually needs above average IQ to even be played, not even talking on what it takes to master him. He is the brawler that gets the MOST punishment for being out of position. Literally EVERY SINGLE THING about chuck requires skill and deep understanding of the game - both his gadgets require skill and (again if we're talking about potential) high IQ to pull unexpected clutch plays, both his starpowers require skill - first is playing with poles and second is optimising all your setups to 3 poles, his attack is hard to hit, his poles' knockback which makes you be able to counter assassins and push your enemies into your own attacks requires INSANE skill because his poles fly very slow, his dash which can be used to tank, bait and evade damage requires insane reaction speed which is skillful, aaand you also need to avoid being ambushed while supering OR make a pole setup where you can't be ambushed (which starts and ends outside of enemies' reach) which requires being highly intelligent and being able to predict flow of the entire match just by looking at the map and enemy comp. And on higher trophies you need to rebuild your tracks CONSTANTLY and as fast as possible to outsmart and catch your enemies off-guard, all this while staying alive and maintaining your pressure. Tell me how is chuck not the hardest brawler in the game. As a proud wipeout rank 31 (pushed entirely with randoms in wipeout) chuck main who has 106k mastery points on him i feel DEEPLY offended. Just because of this fact this is an L video for all 6 non-heist chuck mains in the world. I suggest you to try playing chuck on 1000+ outside of heist and not uninstalling the game from your first time being ambushed. Have a good day.
I think carl deserves at least a high skill cap if not very high skill cap tier, his main attack is quite hard to learn and the plays you can pull off with him if ur are good with are insane
My skill list is like this: Very High Skill Cap: 8-BIT, BELLE, BROCK, BYRON, DYNAMIKE, NANI, NITA, RICO, RUFFS, SPROUT (❤MY MAIN ❤), STU, GUS, SAM, GRAY. High Skill: ASH, BARLEY, BEA, BUZZ, CARL, COLT, PIPER, EMZ, EVE, JANET, JESSIE, LEON, MAX, MORTIS, OTIS, PAM, POCO, LOLA, SQUEAK, SURGE, CORDELIUS, MICO, ANGELO, MAISIE. Average Skill: AMBER, BONNIE, BO, BULL, CROW, DARRYL, GALE, EUGENE, GROM, LOU, MR. P, PENNY, SANDY, TARA, CHESTER, MANDY, WILLOW, HANK, L&L, Pearl. Easy to Master: BIBI, COLLETE, FANG, GRIFF, EL PRIMO, ROSA, SHELLY, SPIKE, TICK, BUSTER, R-T, CHUCK, CHARLIE, LILY. No Skill: EDGAR, FRANK, JACKY, MEG, DOUG, KIT, MELODIE, DRACO. Remember! This is my opinion. Does anyone agree with most of my list? Let me know! 😁! (Please like it took me a long time to make this).
@@WaledBarghot But I saw one reply yours... How you have Sprout that high, haha. And Tick also.... Mine was rank 28 and a half, but I stopped playing for some time.... Now I'm trying to make my account more "positive" in terms of rank. I am almost on 50K.
@@aurostar2272 i main her and play showdown/brawl ball instead. She's the ONLY anti-tank in the game and the ONLY brawler to deal % dmg, that alone should make her unique and hard to master. The fact it's sometimes more valuable to let an enemy with 1k hp live and hit another enemy with more hp instead (due to the % dmg) already makes her hard enough. Not to mention chaining her supers, aiming and positioning. And also using her gadgets..
@@Krezmor I main Colette too, but she really is mid skill. I’m ranking by how hard the brawler is to play tho. If you were to rank her potential, she’d probably be much higher since you can pull off some nice plays with her.
ONE BIG THING YOU SHOULD KEEP IN MIND WHEN WATCHING THIS VIDEO: this is not a brawler tier list or meta tier list, simply just how difficult a brawler is to play simply on their base abilities
I respect your opinion on piper, at first it seems like it needs skill, but when you take a look at her a little deeper, you notice that she has almost no counters, like, she has insane damage, even from a close range, she counters everyone, every other long range brawler cand be countered, they usually have one tool to defend themselves from close distance, but piper has 3, she can even take down tanks by jumping on them with that stupid gadget that you just click and send your opponent to the moon, she has 5 ammo (with the gadget) because her pushing gadget works with her reloading star power, so yes, she is the best sniper at long ranges, she takes down every snipers, and even at close range, nobody can stop her, you can just get within autoaim range and it is free kills Aven if an edgar, a shelly or an el primo jumps at you, you have either your gadget, your super or your hc to destroy them With hc she can literally jump on a shelly and get a free kill So i would definitely rank her at no skill, it is not even hard to hit at long range because of her bullet speed
@@vasilikimaravitsa99553400 but 5 times, it is 17k damage, and bro, 3400 is more than enough, it is too much, look how much damage brock deals, not even 2400, and his attacks are slow and easy to dodge, piper can 2 shot most brawlers and can kill every brawler except frank with her 3 or 4 shots
Agreed. But not in no skill since you need good aim so use her, for me she'd go to easy to master since good aim is required for pretty much every brawler and it's not a hard skill to have
I understand no skill Chuck, but I think he has insane skill potential on knockout and wipeout. I personally pushed him there and I find him much harder
Also I think there's some mistakes in my opinion: 1st - Bibi literally is faster Jacky with half of attack circle + bubble, so it's not above average skill, when you can just rush into someone almost without dodging 2nd - Amber most of the time uses her autoaim, kites opponents, shreds opponents with gadget and rarely uses manual aim, so she is also not above Average 3rd - Piper, Bea and Surge shouldn't be in High skill, because Bea can easily hit enemies with wide and fast reloading attack + easy kill super, so she is Average; Piper can literally nuke from distance or just rapidly 4-shot you in midrange, good super + no skill gadget, also Average; and Surge... you can just press shield gadget, and jump on opponent's head anytime you want, becoming real threat after 2 supers (after 1 for melee brawlers), after that you can just autoaim, definitely Easy to master rank 4th - Mr.P and Hank pretty much Average, because they both can be easily shredded if their matchup is not good. Pretty much all🤔
@@almostmonk5523 lmao, Bibi has almost same health as Jacky, wdym? + Easy to dodge if you not keeping distance as needed, only assassins can dodge in that range properly
Nah bibi is more than high skill sure she is easy to play on low trophies but on rank 25, 30 ur getting countered by everyone and you cant just walk at someone and kill them also her attack is not just half of jacky's attack it has a long attack animation she does require A LOT OF SKILL but i agree with other things u mentioned😊
Hi snake thug I love ur vids and I follow u on both TikTok and RU-vid. I agree with mostly everything on your tier list. BTW if you buy the new brawl pass and get Medusa emz u get a new snake profile pic❤️
Low trophies is easy to play amber but in high trophies you need to play good plays it’s hard to play against Edgar’s and fangs and if you run out of ammo you are very weak and he’s ranking the brawlers for their potential
Snakethug I agree for the most part of the video, except for Colette and Chuck. I know that these Brawlers are braindead in Heist, but in other modes like showdown are they skill full. (I would rank Colette in high skill cause of her POTENTIAL: you can dodge with her super, you must aim with her and if you dont have the shield starpower, you cant super in any brawler. Chuck I would rank in high skill, cause of the nock back and where you should place his super.) Thanks for the List👍
smth ppl should be aware of, is that many ppl talk about skill floor when saying a brawler is skill or no skill. Skill floor is how easy a brawler is to pick up and play decently with. Snake talks alot about skill ceiling, which is how strong and hard a character is to fully master like completely. Another important thing to consider is that Snake talks about his experience, which is packed with good players. Playing decently with amber on 700-800 trophies is not the same as playing her on 1000+ or in masters.
i 100% agree, he's not talking about mastering a brawler (mastery, gold 3) he's talking about mastering the mechanics and actually playing sweaty with that brawler. @antonpoirier7200 your comment def deserves more recognition
Holding funny red button is high skill ceiling? And you can't say "it's easier at low trophies but hard at high trophies" because that's with every brawler.
20:50 du könntest ja mal eine Tierlist machen wie schwer es insgesamt ist gegen diesen Brawler zu spielen es hängt ja immer von Brawler ab den man selbst spielt, aber man könnte ja versuchen zu bewerten wie schwer es insgesamt so ist. Cooles Video❤
It is not bad in principle, but there are a lot of flaws in the video in my opinion. For example: Miko is not skill brawler, u can easy kill most of brawlers by just auto aiming and using ur broken starpower, or run away quickly through walls (all plays Miko on closed maps), the main thing is to hit with all attacks. EL primo is minimum average skill, because there are combination with atacks, super and gadget, that allows u do a good job, also he has short, narrow and long-time atack with which you can miss even close to an opponent. Buzz is maximum average skill, especially with wide zone super charge starpower,all u have to do is hit him super in enemies.
also i disagree with playsment Chuck and Tick. They both require understanding the gameplay for them, because Chuck needs to place the stations correctly and activate super in right timing (we are talking not only about heigst, i saw a lot of crazy gameplays video with Chuck) and for Tick u must play savely, he is very vulnerable to assassins and weak in 1v1, he requires a good team support and know his right location on the map.
i think the reason why everyone's hating is bc they're playing low-level gameplay while Snake's rating their potential (skill ceiling, not skill floor)...I know everyone's hating but I would love to see more of this kind of content in future seasons (already there's 4 new brawlers and balance changes are crazy in just 2 months) 🙏
28:15 as a doug main I'm sorry to hear this but I actually have to confirm... as long as you are in showdown. You need average skill to play him in brawlball. 28:52 no way you need skills to uss mico
ok you gave us a skill tier list based on showdown, so many brawlers like leon are actually difficult to play in 3v3 p.s: ALL the tanks are quite difficult to use in competitive and high trophies matches. having a god mobility with a tank isn’t no skill at all. this tier list works only for ranks 25 and below
