Ranking Every FIGHTER Subclass In D&D 

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Sorry, but Eldritch Knights are the worst. Pick another Fighter Subclass - preferable the Battle Master or the Rune Knight - and Multiclass. Warlock(3)+Divination Wizzard (2) and Shadow Sorcerer(3) give you pretty much the Same and add up their respective Class features for a hefty "Fuck You" towards the Eldritch Knight. You may even pick the Invocations so you can Longbow Eldritch Smites. There is no Way to make a worse decision than following down the Levelpath of a Eldritch Knight - Fluff or Crunchwise. And the Echo Knight has Abilitys Rulewise that pushes him above all others. First of all, your Echo is "an Ally" - so you have permanent Flanking Advantage. Also, whenever you Hit, you can Bonushit from the Echo - what gives you a +1 Attack Action for Free. Having "Protection" for Fighting Style, you can pose Disadvantage on Attacks on your (if GM is lenient) or your Echo. Also, every Attack on the Echo is an Attack not on you or your Allies - yay for Tanking Damage. You can do Opportunity Attacks from the Echo, literally doubling your Range on them - which brings the Polearm Master/Sentinel Combo to a new level. Oh, you like to rather play Eldritch knight you say? Because of the Spells you say? Well, fear not, little Apprentice of the Dark Arts, here you go with Shadow Sorcerer, allowing you to huddle in a Bobble of Darkness while doing that Shite plus getting an Shadowy Dog accompany your Echo. Doggy Tracks, Echo follows, you teleport. And, if you do want to annoy your GM totally, fight with a offhand Shadow Blade and get 3 Levels of Warlock in for the wonderful Relentless Hex you can put on your FindFamiliar that invisibly dwindles around and allows you more Teleporting for no Recource cost aside a upcast prolonged Hex while slicing others with 4 Attacks per Turn from Level 8 on - with a nice 47 Damage average Baseline - against AC19. Oh, and your Echo can do all attacks you can do - including a Grapple. Remember the "all directions"-thingy and that nasty Fall Damage you take when frappling something from the Sky?? Well, your Echo is taking that for you. Oh, and when Grappling, both get restrained, right? Wrong, Echo is immune to conditions. Echo Knight is the most UA-Style broken Class in terms of OP-ness and one of the few that can compete with a celestial Sordin.

@@Rabijeel That is quite the rant. That is dependent on optional rules for half of it. Off topic for a third. The information on grappling with the Echo Knight was a nice find though. Good catch.

Are there currently any plans to do this kind of video for some of the other classes? Personally I'd love to see one on Bard's or artificers myself

I concur

Psy Warrior is best fighter subclass and one of the best designed subclasses in 5e imo. Surprised it isn't ranked higher

@@neildoscher9536 I wouldn't say the best but I would definitely put it in A. It does kind of feel like a worse battlemaster at times.

@@neildoscher9536 psi warriors are definitely fun I've played a psi warrior and rune knight so I think rune knight edges out but psi warrior is an a tier for me.

It sounds like fun, but something tells me some DMs I've played with wouldn't allow most of the things I would try. It sounds like a very DM reliant subclass. Tbh, most of these subclasses probably live or die by how RAW a DM runs things.

That feeling will never change. Lol

Eldritch blast may have barely less utility but it can be used infinitely

I may confirm we do that

Or, since you get a full extra turn when it triggers, you can use your bonus action to Second Wind and heal yourself, no multiclass needed.

Personally I always take a single level in Forge Cleric. Get healing spells, get searing smite, and get a free +1 to armor or weapon. Its nice for a single level dip and thematic for a wandering Samurai style character, fixing and potentially forging their own gear.

@@LupineShadowOmega It also fits with the Japanese aesthetic. Since their culture is so full of rituals, it would make sense that a samurai, i.e., a nobleman, is pretty in touch with the divine.

How about a second wind?

Or second wind

Yeah I would bump Cavalier as well, and maybe drop arcane archer down. at least swap it with pdk in the same tier

@@pedrogarcia8706 agreed, The fighters primary role is as a tank and its battlefield control makes it the safest dependable options to do that. Arcane Archer fails and is terrible at what it promises. It literally is a baseline fighter with no subclass in most encounters, its literally what the D Tier is for. I want to like it but just can not lol.

Shame the echo knight isn't allowed in adventurer's league

A mounted Cavalier with a polearm, polearm master, great weapon master, and Mount Combat is really great. The lvl 18 special reaction on every turn for Opportunity Attacks shuts down enemies within 10ft reach, and lets you focus your main reaction on your other class abilities. Can hold back a horde in a choke point, using ADV to minimize the penalty for Great Weapon Master and the +10 damage on each of the many Opportunity Attack as the enemy enters or moves within your 10ft radius of death, which also stops their movement in their tracks.

@@Watcher40K9 Also you can protect your mount from melee attacks because of Unwavering Mark which definitely helps in the early levels if you don't have mounted combatant yet. If I wanted to play a sort of protector type of character and was starting at a higher level, I'd definitely choose the Cavalier.

I was in a 1-shot where the DM gave it number of uses equal to PB per short rest and it worked fine. The shots aren't OP (except for the Banishing one vs Demons etc) and the low number of shots RAW is just dumb IMHO.

Sounds like a junk change. Just change it to PB number of times. You're still not going to dump points into int when you need dex and feats to make this work. In either case it's still higher dps then people think even without changes.

@@Comicsluvr Banishing is until the end of that creature's next turn, and doesn't perma-banish.

Great idea.

It is worth noting that arcane archer actually has a few work-arounds for their INT vs DEX issue. 1. If you build DEX, some of the arcane archer options dont care if your target makes the saving throw. 2. If you build INT, some of the arcane archer options dont require an attack roll, and you have the redirection for your normal attacks anyways. 3. As a fighter, you have extra ASIs, so building for both DEX and INT is quite reasonable.(What you wanted to pickup the lucky feat and fey-touched feat? what are you, a min-maxer?) Regardless, its fair to say the arcane archer is generally underrated, even as is. The real issue is they explicitly list shortbows and longbows in the original version of the feature, meaning crossbow expert becomes sorta stupid. That's quite a dumb restriction though, and jeremy crawford has gone on record to say it probably should allow crossbows(or possibly other ranged weapons).

Yeah, it feels incredibly silly that there isn't a way for melee martials to learn maneuvers. Battlemasters could still exist as the subclass that is king at maneuvers and potentially even teaches the other martials how to use them, but it feels like maneuvers are the thing that many melee subclasses are missing. Doesn't make ANY sense that a melee martial wouldn't have picked up A SINGLE melee maneuver of some sort even by level 20. Plus melee martials are on average a bit weaker than spell casters, and don't have nearly the level of utility (which is more important in d&d than raw power most of the time). Plus, if you keep it as an optional side system, then noobs don't have to worry about messing with it.

@@TurtletheShell there are ways for melee martials to learn maneuvers. The Martial Adept and Fighting Initiate feats give maneuvers and can be stacked. Or you can multiclass into 3 levels of battlemaster.

@@MyNameIsNotPa Martial Adept does. Fighting initiate gives a fighting style (unless they just changed it, haven't kept up with one D&D, but that wouldn't have been announced at time of posting if it has changed). That's also a huge problem. Melee martials need constitution / tankiness more than ranged characters, so you typically will want to use more ASI on that. Giving up ASI for an optional feat compared to some of the other feats available to melee martial, especially a rather uninspiring one, is silly. Maneuvers should be available to all melee martials and just learned over time / handed out slowly by the DM, with battlemaster being particularly adept at them / the class that trains everyone else. Look online at all the threads saying that feat isn't quite strong enough and that it should just be trainable in game via other means. Melee martials are lacking for options to spice up their move set, and also for utility, and maneuvers fill in that slot as weak spells for martials, without overshadowing the doubtlessly stronger potential of spells.

@@TurtletheShell there’s a new fighting style that gives essentially the same benefit as Martial Adept, printed in Tasha’s Cauldron. That’s why I referred to Fighting Initiate.

@@MyNameIsNotPa Oh right I forget about that one. Yeah, but again would you rather use an entire feat on that or get your asi to max / pick up something like GWM? I don't min max builds and usually don't go for GWM, and even I haven't found much room in builds for those feats. Should you have to give up two or more ASI just to get a somewhat workable set of maneuvers by max level, if that then means your accuracy and / or con will be piss poor? I don't think so. Any legendary melee martial that reaches level 15+ would, realistically, have learned how to i.e. hamstring a foe or cleave through them decades ago. It's lacking in realism, fun, and lets down the roleplay.

I am reading the DnDBeyond "Sage Advise Compendium" and do not see this listed. Can you provide a source for this into please?

@@mikekinney5247 I know Jeremy Crawford tweeted about it but not sure if it was officially written down anywhere yet.

As rules as intended it's only meant for scouting but from what I heard it got removed for some reason and never got added back in any re-release of the subclass so as rules as written you can definitely just hide in a place no one can get to and use the echo to solo a whole dungeon with a echo that keeps coming back.

​@orcunkozaci840 Sir, we're under attack! "Who is it? The humans? The elves? The halflings?" Just one Shadow, but it keeps coming back no matter how many times we get rid of it! "Get the scouts ready to..." The scouts are all dead, sir. "OK, get the footsoldiers ready to..." They're dead, too. "The arechers?" There goes the last one. "The infantry?" Currently failing at holding it back. "The base is lost then, we have to..."

It really is so good, and I love that it's good for both ranged and melee combat

@@natashasurvivallady8021 mine was primarily melee, rocked a great-sword for most of my campaign and the damage nova's I'd do later down the line, and with an action surge and advantage were peak. 👌

Samurai Is a boss.

I'm about to play a dragonborn samurai in my upcoming campaign 👌🏼 it seems so damn good, and with the breath attack I feel it adds some extra damage that will help make a difference when that last little bit is needed to take down a few enemies at once haha

@@SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs the way the dragonborn works now, being able to replace an attack with a breath weapon, especially with some of the extra attacks samurai fighters can have for-going advantage, if you take GWM, hasted actions, etc. you can really get some good damage. Plus who doesn't love temp hit points and advantage as a bonus action?

Doesn't she work down the chippy on the high street? ;)

Out of curiosity, would a level 18 samurai just be able to use a healing potion or a healing hands from feats/racial effects when they get knocked to 0 hp?

Champion is one of those pecs people sleep on due to the lack of "flash" in their abilities, but the trade off is that you are never behind or ahead on your resources; when you go in for your long rest you aren't lamenting the spell slots you didn't use nor staring down a big fight and realizing you wasted spells being silly. And doubling your crit is *devestating* with the right loadout; a half orc fighter with a flametongue great sword is going to be looking at 10d6+str on a crit which is going to happen twice as often as anyone else.

Where would you put the Gunslinger?

I know one thing that destroys the game with arcane archer that no dm would ever allow. Rules as interpreted Arcane shot specifically Grasping Arrow

Except it actually can't, and battlelosers are made obsolete just by having skill checks. I dont need to spend a cringe dice to push someone, I can just athletics check push them and achieve the same effect, but while having additional subclass bonuses.

@@youtubecensorship842 while dealing 0 damage tho. Battlemasters are masters for a reason, and they dont need to loose an attack to prone someone

@@youtubecensorship842 It is way more economical to knock someone prone and attack with extra damage at the same time than to sacrifice an attack for a shove action. Same with grappling strike, although it doesn't do the additional damage. Being able to grapple/shove without sacrificing two of your attacks, and indeed, dealing an extra d8 is obviously better. Losing one or two attacks with a greatsword is a massive loss. Shoving is obviously still a very useful tool for all fighters, especially once you have 3+ attacks or if you have multiple melee attackers in your party. Personally I think that Rune Knight is better for this kind of play as they get advantage on Strength checks and can shove or grapple creatures of sizes that battlemaster can only dream of. Battlemasters also get riposte, which is a very good use of your reaction (although other classes like Rune Knight also get excellent reaction options). Being able to do one thing that Battlemaster can with a skill check, and also arguably worse than they can, does not make them obsolete. Personally I think Battlemaster is a terribly designed subclass but there is no question that they are one of the most useful and versatile subclasses for fighter.

I agree can’t always bring your mount into the dungeon and if it was tied to having to have a mount to use their effects it would be worse when you aren’t able to use your class features

It's the cavalier from the D&D cartoon series.

I think they should have handled it like the Drake ranger and gave them a pet to use. Have it level with them and gain abilities. Have it be medium but you can mount it.

Yeah, don't know what he was going on about. Previous Cavaliers/Paladins leaned too much into the Mount aspect when the style of the game doesn't lean well towards having mounts. They gave them actually *useful* abilities.

​@@lluewhyn it's a flavor fail

I had a similar problem with battle master. Fortunately the DM let me change maneuvers.

Ranking the Cavalier heavily depends on what level you’re playing at. Unlike most Fighter subclasses, it’s really backloaded. Using Treantmonk’s style of ranks, I would rank it around the middle of D for levels 1-9 and bottom of B for levels 10+.

I always have an issue with people just saying that cavalier is a “mounted fighter” because they have a single ribbon feature that helps with mounted combat. I think they’re great defenders and have a lot of potential, but in games like you’ve described they lose all of their traction

@@GamerTreeProductions Yeah I never actually got why people playing that it's just a class about mounted combat; I mean the title clearly indicates that they're going to be good at mounted combat, which they are, but even on my first read through when the book first came out, it's super obvious that the subclass features are universally useful (provided you're in a game that makes a lot of use of combat tactics).

There is a certain epoch of D&D afficionado for whom, when you hear the word 'Cavelier', it's immediately followed by 'Acrobat' Because whatever foibles of the Cav may be, token heroism is acceptable if the GM says so

One thing I’ve done with my players for Arcane Archer is tie uses to Intelligence modifier, that way it rewards characters who build around high intelligence instead of directly forcing it

Oh, I like the suggestion of using Con. I've suggested Dex but I can see the DC improving with your life force (i.e. Con). I would make the uses per day set at 4 like Battle Master. Create a feat that can bump it to 5 so BM's and AA's are opposite sides of the same coin. And non-AA's can gain one of the "trick shots" through the feat once per rest.

Have to comment on the order you put the levels in. I don't know enough but now that I'm looking at it, maybe 7 should be 17.

I also like the idea of tying the DC to CON. The Rune Knight does this as well, so it wouldn't be that different.

@@dashvash5440 Thanks, my one key didn't work in that instance.

In my opinion each rune invocation is stronger than a single battlemaster maneuver. At level 3 you get 2 runes, but also 2 uses of giants might. Since most people don't have 3+ combats on a day that means rune knight has comparable power levels to battlemaster based on those resources. After this however, the dmg states that weapon dice scale with creature size (if the weapon fit their size). A large creature does 2 times the dice in damage. At this point rune knight is leaving even the battlemaster in the dust. After level 3, things only get worse. Battlemasters get more options and eventually higher dice, but this means that it barely scales as it gets levels. Rune knights, to the contrary, get access to EVEN STRONGER runes at level 7, get an additional rune to use at 7, 10 and 15, and get a pool of forcing rerolls on enemies. At even later levels, your giant might becomes even better (also with you becoming huge and extra range) and getting access to all runes twice per short rest. Also, after level 5 it becomes increasingly unlikely of your giant might uses to ever run out. So, after comparing like to like, do you still think the rune knight is not an S-tier?

I don't see why it's not S tier but battle master can be. Since as said here that's 2 amazing runes you could choose with also great passive abilities for added RP stuff where as battle master sure there's over 23 maneuvers so very customizable to your play style but a lot of them are pretty useless or not worth the superiority die to spend since you only get so many and they all are dependent on what you got on that roll as sure the max can go up from d8 to d12 so chance to be good no doubt but that's a lot of luck asking for those moments. Where as the cloud rune just be oh shit nat 20 for 70 damage! Nope your friend is taking that hit and it just happens then. Plus the more range of combat but outside combat abilities rune knight has and story points can have is way better and cooler then, you know how to battle well and know how to trip a guy and kinda can get a type of bio on the enemy? Of if there better or worse then you in something.

@@Olav_Hansen Pretty sure its already been ruled that a player DOES NOT get the same effects of oversized weapons as a monster does in regards to the rule you are referring to, which should be obvious since its in the "creating a monster" section of the DMG. A class ability needs to specify what effects it gives you, which it does, in this case as just an extra 1d6. I can find nothing referring to PCs getting to double their damage dice when enlarged.

@@cyanide7270 well it doesn't just say it works for monsters, it mentions it works for "creatures". Player characters are invariably creatures. And if the dm is still being difficult, if you fight like a giant and beat it, take his weapon. Fire giant for example uses that huge greatsword. You drop it before using giant might, then use free interaction to pick it up. That very section in the dmg says that if players use a weapon that is made for 1 size bigger it is disadvantage and 2 sizes bigger it can't be used. So as it is confirmed that you CAN use the weapons, if you are the correct size you will do so with a normal roll. Or third alternative you purposely task a blacksmith to make an oversized weapon. Might cost more, but as the dmg states weapons can be made for larger creatures, and you are able to use those.

@@Olav_Hansen Probably chalk it up to different interpretations. Ive always looked at it and heard that effects where monsters are concerned do not apply to PCs (as with this since its in the creating a monster section), and that PC class effects over rule other rulings unless otherwise specified, to which this fits. So yeah, if thats how you wanna run it go for it, just feels like another interpretation difference, like how there are also people that still believe Reverse Gravity works with Prismatic Wall. Which it doesnt.

TBH to me the champion just feels almost like a subclassless fighter. Which sucks because it could have had so much potential.

The Champion instead of getting an extra fighting style at lv 10 should get an updated version of the fighting style they already have. For example with blind fighting it would increase to 30ft instead of just being 10ft. This is especially true due to the fact that u can get another fighting style just by multiclassing or taking fighting initiate feat. So it really makes getting another one in Champion really meh. Not only that but it would make Champions more unique but still keep them simple like they should be.

@@davidstratton696 what about letting fighting styles stack?

@@moxar2220 That could work on some but not others. I think it’s just better to give an updated version of it which is almost the same thing but not. Like how do u stack great weapon master for example?

@davidstratton5428 great weapon master is a feat. I think you mean great weapon fighting in which case you stack it by allowing another reroll rerolling twice and taking the highest

My dm allowed me to make a katana that was basically a rapier that did slashing damage. We did a lvl 18 one shot and my elvish samari had elvish accuracy, mobile, sentinel, and lucky. There was so much carnage and so many crits it was amazing

Also, I believe that samurai have a feature that make you trade your attack with advantage into more attack. So basically instead of having 4 attack (5 if dual wield) with advantage, you go full beast mode with 8 attack (10 if dual wield) wich is insane comsidering this is even before the two action surge a fighter can use!

@@lordgino2006 while that ability is definitely powerful, you can only use it on one attack per turn

@@lordgino2006 It is one of the later abilities, yes. Mind you, as it's worded the free attack has no reason to not be at advantage itself So if you combine it with fighting spirit, the extra attack is entirely free

My issue with samurai is its basically the one gimmick creating advantage for yourself. since DND is a team game another player could generate advantage for you and the rest of your party or a battle master could use a combat maneuver to knock a target prone generating advantage for himself and their party. If you think in terms of "how scary is my character individually" then samurai is really good. But if you think in terms of "how scary is my dnd Party as a group" samurai is not as good as a different fighter subclass.

As long twillight clerics exist i think thats a better multiclass option to make you target nr.1 But i dont know if i would rader go twillight+ barbarian or twillight+fighter or just all 3 cause why not xD

I have a Minotaur AG Barb i was looking into multiclassing, but Cavalier really didnt fit to me. Since i was looking at a 3/4 dip, alot of what it gives wouldnt have been useful since it was mostly stuff i could already do between Ancestral Protectors, Rage and Reckless Attacks. The only thing i wouldve gotten out of it was the Bonus Action attack, which even then wouldve been pointless since i already had a way of weaponizing my Bonus Action with Minos Hammering Horns. That only comes from how the games being played though, as the DM has ruled that since Hammering Horns is a Shove action, the target DOES fall prone even though the trait doesnt specify it, which in itself is already AMAZING, but we also have a Gnome Polearm Master fighter that tends to ride my shoulders, so as i shove he gets to make AoO at the same time. Mines probably a lot more of a niche example of how it doesnt work, but i think that there are plenty of ways to make a Bonus Action deal damage without stacking abilities as much as this does, so maybe this fits more of a primary Fighter, Barb dip?? If the extra attack however was a REACTION, thatd change things a LOT.

@@okgut2033 Very true. Honestly though, Twilight Cleric is something that I would say is due for a nerf in some capacity, so I dislike using it. Insanely good spell list, insanely good channel divinity. It basically turns you into a paladin that also is a full caster with the cleric's spell list that can also fly and give themselves half cover in the mid to late game.

But that relies on multi-classing. If you don't do that then it affects things. My favorite character I created, though haven't been able to find a group to play with in my area:( Is a Drow Feylost Death Domain Cleric. Who I don't think if I can find a group will multi-class, but if I do then I'm thinking Druid.

@@morrigankasa570 Yeah, I know, it's meant as a fun little multi-class build to force one-on-one fights that I thought of while listening Your character does sound fun, I've never played a Death Domain Cleric before so I hope you have fun.

Trip attack only works on size large or smaller so it shouldn't work, besides that the creature gets to use a strength saving throw and with legendary resistance the creature could choose to succeed it. Nonetheless, I bet it was a pretty cool moment and the dm may have allowed it for that reason!

@@2222lex wait Santa isn't real?

Anything can be a good subclass if the dm lets it do things it's not able to do and doesn't use their legendary resistances lmao

You mean the day your DM sucked at following basic rules? Yeah, pretty cool, but now your entire game is defunct and worthless, as it will always be the game where rules are cherry picked, and reality bends for favoritism, so achievements are immediately invalidated.

@@youtubecensorship842 jeez man he had a cool moment in a game because of slightly bending the rules what's your problem

In the same breath, Bladesingers have done Eldritch Knight dirty and honestly deserve to swap features with them. The fullcaster getting the better of the two variations just grinds a bit annoying when they get basically everything else.

War Magic is super fun 😊👍

the only build I have ever done that managed to use true strike as written to any good effect was an eldritch knight. had fun, but would not do again.

Their real strength lies in the abjuration spells. Heavy armor plus Shield can pump your AC pretty high, especially if you take the defense fighting style. Absorb Elements can give them resistance to problematic damage types in a pinch and buff their damage as well. Protection from Evil and Good is super useful on fighters as well, as it prevents charm effects from the creature types that most commonly tend to have charms. Effects like that can shut a fighter out of combat indefinitely

I had a eldritch knight-bladesinger multiclass build, some of the most fun I’ve had playing dnd, getting the best of both worlds was awesome.

I got u fam, the council are working on it!

@@DnDShorts Awesome!!

@@DnDShorts Yes please!!! This Ranking Video with detail is awesome!!!

AA's greatest weakness is the number of times you can use the "class defining feature." Bump that up to 4x per short rest like Battle Master and it becomes a lot better. Change the DC to 8 + Prof. + Dex and the class is perfect (IMO) but than really outshines Ranger 😅

The problem isn't even the abilities. It's the fact that you cannot realistically use them due to how few uses they have

@@peterwhitcomb8315 I don't think so, goodberry and spike growth, conjure animals, ect keeps rangers on par

@@jamesbaker2092 I have a whole rant against Rangers being mechanically bad (even with Tasha's). But that is another subject and this is about AA's in Fighter so I'll leave it at that.

@@peterwhitcomb8315 I'm ready to hear it, I'm happy to discuss why I think ranger is criminally underrated

Rune knights an incredible support though and has so many options for the reaction, casters love you being their friend with storm rune, forcing disadvantage on the enemies saves is lit. Plus hey prof mod forced rerolls with your aegis skill is lit.

Plus the Stone and Storm Rune can take out nearly every low level enemy for most part of the battle. :D ive frustrated my DM more then one time with these xD

​@@Cpt.Str4ng3 oh i know, during this one halloween themed one shot our DM was hypin up this big villain who was kinda meant to be the vampire master's right hand monster. he approaches us and i used the stone rune and completely render him worthless as we slam him into the ground. this is why you give your big encounters minions. it was such a massacre that i actually feel bad about ruining a villain he was excited for and i now restrain myself when it comes to the stone rune in single enemy encounters. plus i just prefer the flavour of the other runes now so i usually take stone last.

I agree. I am playing one right now and the Fire Rune is so much fun with a hand axe. And knowing Giant is very interesting.

@@logandurham2979 remember to activate your storm rune to give enemies disadvantage on that fire rune save all on the same turn!

Your trigger would not work on a spell attack. It is not a weapon attack and thus cannot be used to force them to drop the focus. It wouldn't even work on a ranged attack because you would be targeting the arrow and not the bowman. Wording is key on these things.

​@@Nempo13Yes, spells arent attacks

@@Nempo13 They didn't mention anything about a spell attack, and it would definitely work with a ranged attack. "When you hit a creature with a weapon attack, you can expend one superiority die to attempt to disarm the target, forcing it to drop one item of your choice that it’s holding." That applies to ranged attacks, thrown or otherwise. Wording is key on these things, isn't it?

Do a three level dip into gloomstalker and it becomes ridiculous.

@@NPC-rq6vn What does gloomstalker give you that makes it so good? The extra attack on your first turn?

@@SirKickz Additional attack that does an extra 1d8. If running the Surprise mechanic, thats a LOT of damage right there, unless your DM is a DICK, and rules that "Only the first arrow gets surprise", which is just completely stupid.

@@SirKickz it also give you invisibility in darkness vs creatures that use dark vision and grants you dark vision , so you don't need to always use your Fighting Spirit. Plus hunters mark / or Favored Foe as well as all the utility that 3 levels of ranger gives.

@@cyanide7270 Dread Ambusher says "If you take the Attack action on that turn, you can make one additional weapon attack as part of that action. If that attack hits, the target takes an extra 1d8 damage of the weapon's damage type." That reads to me like you only get the extra d8 on that one extra attack, not all of your attacks that turn. Was there a clarification on it that went the other way?

So a Duergar Rune Knight would go crazy?

Also play a race with powerful build like a loxodon, so you count as one size larger when determining what you carry, lift, push, and drag.

Yeah, and they just feel so cool. Nothing feels better than facing giant monsters and turning just as big as them

I agree, it can even be a great character to add to the group if perhaps you're playing with an under-size party or perhaps one that leans a bit too heavily into one role that doesn't balance the combat (like a party of squishy casters so the DM has to add a warrior that can draw some of the aggro but let the players have fun blowing things up. The abilities make them really great at shoring up weaknesses in an overly large group too, since they don't bog down actions in the turn order.

I think that even without the table rune knights deserve the s tier. At level 3 they are really close to battlemasters if you exclude oversized weapons, but at level 7 it just leaves battlemasters in the dust, only adding insult to injury at levels 10, 15 and 18.

Yeah fire rune is no joke for crowd control doing 4d6 of fire damage between the fighters turn and the enemies because you do damage first then they attempt the save all while incapacitated. This plus the initial damage from the attack plus of course hulking out means any big nasty is going to know they been kissed.

Worse than a commoner? Eh, what? Cantrips, mage armor, more hit points. Spells that you can just cast like cantrips at higher levels. I'm playing a bladesinger right now, and while definitely not as strong as an EK without spell slots, she could take out a lot of problems with no slots at all.

No offense, but your comment is classic "say you don't play 5e without saying you don't play 5e." Maybe you played an older edition, when cantrips had limited uses?

@@timmartin6885Calm down.

@@Lardo137You too.

you need a Vorpal sword: snicker snack!

@@samuelbroad11 I have mentioned it to my dm since she is a back up character and they like the idea enough they will consider it. But if I don’t use her as a back up, I might use her for the module the blade actually comes from when we play that. Lots of time to consider! Lol actually finding that blade in the items list was exactly what gave me the thought to make an Alice inspired character

@@mentalrebllion1270 convince two other players to play tweedletwins!

@@samuelbroad11 I’ll be sure to help them if that becomes a thing. At the very least, have them be twins. How about twin bards? That’s a good class to represent them I think. 🤔

@@mentalrebllion1270 one warlock with fey patron, the other a bard, make sure they have enlarge reduce, polymorph and animate objects!

Yeah everyone seems to miss this when reviewing echo knight.

Just because Jeremy Crawford said so doesn't mean you HAVE to play it that way.

RAW as written, you absolutely can attack and teleport through it. In no printed book is it changed, thus, it is how it stays. Until they print new editions, a 5.5e for example, nope, Echo is as written. They can update the Beyond all they want. I don't know anyone that uses Beyond, people hate that level of nickel and dime crap. Paying per race to even USE it on Beyond's sheets is insane.

The official short (and more importantly non-campaign setting specific) name for the Purple Dragon Knight is the Banneret.

@@watcher314159 Thanks, made the change.

One question, where did your bard see a t-rex in the wild? To polymorph or wild shape into something...the character has had to of seen it and know about it. Just because it is available in the book or list isn't enough.

Runeknight offers you four tries to shove or grapple with advantage and +13 athletics while large on lvl 6. I don't need versatiliy. I need somebody to cast enlarge on me so I can push a Terrasque of a cliff. At lvl 6. (you take a race with +2 strength, frost rune, giants might, and the skill expert feat for this. Or you play a Loxodon, you need lvl 8 to reach 20 strength, but now you can grapple 3 people at a time.)

Recently used giants might with potion of enlarge to grapple an ancient silver dragon mid flight and rode him into the ground. I love my Rune Knight.​@@user-rq7xn6uj6t

Agreed. Dude has a nice vibe

Personally, I love Eldritch Knights, but they are a little MAD and you're a bit restricted on the fighting styles you can take while still being good. However, the spellcasting does cover areas that fighters tend to struggle with, such as big crowds and enemies with ridiculously high AC. Plus, if your DM is evil and doesn't give you any magic weapons, they have cantrips for magical damage if they need it

I adored my Elderic Knight. Chilska was marvelous and I dis make her int work. Went with a reach weapon and shatter was her best ability. Her ability to call her weapon too her got the group out of enemy territory (that was so fucking stupid that entire thing. Swallowed the ring of winter, fought off a bunch of Yuanti basically naked, stopped a ritual, yea fun times) if she hadn't been able to do that it would have ended up much worse I think.

I second this. I just picked up eldritch knight cuz I wanted a returning weapon. Yet when I got down to mechanics of them, my hair brain, overthinking self just went ham. Currently level 7 and it's been a blast. My build's high int, which isn't optimized, but with good tactics, I'm easily the highest damager in my team.

Be a warforged juggernaut, you START at 8 feet tall. Also rune knight has been rewritten 3 times, most places have it as growing one size category larger. for a juggy that has powerful build built into it...this means you effectively become size huge (with the damage increase due to your weapon growing in size) at level 3.

What even there for the DM to be dependent about? Its a sound ability

@@WhyYouMadBoi it’s very open ended. Doesn’t specify what happens if you throw a large object and what damage die that will be. And maybe the DM rules you can’t use the ability to damage anyone. Worst case scenario you can only move object and friendly creatures 30 ft. as an action with psi die. Pretty bare bones if the DM isn’t lenient.

@@lukeamparo6586 Actually you can't throw objects only move them with Telekinetic movement. What you can do is have that large object over head of a enemy this is where you go to the DMG and look at the improvised damage chart. Which one it says "Hit by a falling bookcase" for 1d10 damage. Remember large objects take a 10x10 space. Animated large objects slam attack does 2d10+3 damage but they are obviously moving so taking away a d10 and modifiers. Again "Bookcase" are pretty big and can be stated to be our large object. The only "Open ended" is the DM not reading the DMG

@@WhyYouMadBoi It’s also dependent on whether the DM puts objects in the battle area. If it’s barren you’ll probably spend all your psi die doing telekinetic thrust. Moving friends is nice but wish you could impose a save against enemies. This is for below level 10 cause most campaigns it seems barely make it to lvl 18-20.

@@lukeamparo6586 Yeah this is a friend escape tool, as in if a ally is down pull them towards the cleric or if they need to escape and you can pull them out of a sticky situation. Or you know lifting someone up

That sounds like a fantastic character.

I don't think that's true. It's not the echo making the attack. /You/ make the attack through the echo, so any condition on you would still apply. But that does lead to a (nonsensical imo) loophole where if you're hidden from the enemy, the attack through your very visible echo is still with advantage.

I'm agreeing with Melody on this. Echoes are effects, not second player-characters.

echo knight does indeed offer exploration options that none of the fighters do. In my personal opinion battlemasters are a bit overrated tbh. Imo battlemaster is considered so good because it is so good... at multiclassing. No one ever bothers to look at their progression after level 3. At level 3 they are at about the power level of a rune knight and slightly above that of an echo knight. At level 7 the rune knight comes ahead and the echo knight overtakes the battlemaster. At even higher levels, both echo knight and rune knight just embarrass the battlemaster. I am also preaching rune knight a bit personally. If you read what the subclass offers in just runes it's already worth A-tier. That's without giants might and the other leveling feature. Those 2 are already enough to pump s tier, but there's a third part that's hidden to most people: In the monster manual it states that "for creatures of a size larger than medium, weapon dice scale". For large this is twice the original dice, for huge 3 times etc. It scales with weapons MADE TO FIT CREATURES OF THAT SIZE. Giant might explicitly states that you don't just become large, your gear grows with you. That means that while giant might is active, your greatsword deals 4d6 base damage. This singular effect from giants might makes the rune knight roughly equivalent to samurai, but with all the stuff I mentioned before it was already at S-tier level.

What is his mount?

Personally I think they're awful, only slightly better than PDK Fighter

@@pyron5277 nah spells are the best feature in the game and Ek gets some really good ones. It's in the top of not the best subclass

@@4500danny I mean yeah spells are good but EK gets so pitifully few of them that it's kind of not worth it compared to most other subclasses

Something you are probably not doing atm but that does work: dmg 278 says: "big monsters usually wield oversized weapons that deal extra dice of damage on a hit. Double the weapon size if a creature is large, triple if the creature is huge and quadruple if the creature is gargantuan". A weapons dice scale with 'weapons made for that creature size', and since both enlarge and giant might grow the weapon with you, that means that the paladin rune knight deals 3 times the original dice, so for example 6d6 on a greatsword. In my opinion even besides this feature rune knights deserve S-tier imo, but with this interaction they are the undeniable kings of S-tier. To bad that he missed this interaction like so many others.

@@Olav_Hansen my group doesn't do that simply because enlarge and the tune knight feature both have damage increases of their own, but we did consider it.

okay hawkeye, have fun not missing

I thought aa deserved B as well. I might also bump eldritch knight to an A (shield+familiar is really good, and war caster is just amazing together with ek). But the single biggest mistake in my opinion is that the rune knight isn't at the top of S tier. It has so many 'obvious' abilities that already make it deserve S tier, but there's also 1 "hidden" feature that most people miss. Giant might, making you large, also makes your weapons large. Sounds logical, but a rule that many people forget is that a size increase means a dice increase. From medium to large the dice of the weapon become 2x, and at huge 3x (at gargantuan 4x but even you don't get that big). This means that just taking 18 levels in fighter means that you suddenly deal 6d6 with that greatsword when you use giant might. Then second turn use the rune giving you physical resist and you can most likely single handedly take down a terrasque. The size rules are so strong, that gwm isn't even worth it anymore for you. This means that you can prioritise getting 20's and the tough feat, enabling you to put even barbarians to shame as melee monsters. With 6d6+5, you deal an average of 26 damage per hit without using any additional resources (and accounting for the giant might d10)

That is 1 small ability that is surrounded by the other mediocre shots. It also does mainly poison damage which is the worst damage in the game. If that enemy is ever engaged with someone in melee the extra slashing damage doesn't do anything. So really its niche but strong.

@@Olav_Hansen That is at 18th level, near the end of the game, compare that with the at will when you get it Echo knight who gets a free 30 ft to 60 ft teleport. Able to negate 1 or more attacks, scouting and of course battlefield control from 2 places at once to 3 places at once allowing you to engage many enemies. I do agree that Rune knight should replace Battle Master although I believe battle master is low S if not A rank with samurai.

Come on man those are clearly rules in the DMG intended only for NPC monsters. If it was intended for Rune Knights to be given enormous damage boosts while enlarged it would have been listed in the sub class rules. 1d6 or 1d8 extra damage on one attack is all you get.

@@nicholaswalker2278 Actually not really, per the rules players are monsters. While I get what you mean it’s widely accepted that this can and does apply to characters. Plus every game is game by game basis so it’s up to you and your dm to decide if it’s fine to do. My DM allows it and I as a DM allow it Edit: Also this isn’t just for Rune Knight, any way you grow as long as your weapons grow you should be allowed this damage increase. Technically a player can pick up the weapons a oversized monster uses but you would likely have disadvantage because it’s not sized for you.

Why does it need to be as good with damage, rune knight is the strongest subclass in my opinion since it's the tankiest and arguably has the strongest/flexible abilities.

@@Ingimar16 I’m unaware of claiming it needs to be, as far as I and the people I play with are concerned, and as far as RAI Rune Knight has a higher Dmg output that stated in the video. That’s all that was being said. It’s not a debate or a flag being planted it’s just an observation

I dont think the Lance is actually meant to be the mainstay weapon of choice though. I think this is more geared towards the Longsword + Board type of Knight. So maybe You charge in with a pair of Lances, pop off your first turns two attacks, then drop them and switch to sword n board once engaged?

@@cyanide7270 That's fair enough. That strategy does put in mind that maybe DnD is doing Lances wrong. Lances are supposed to be the ultimate weapon of the charge then shatter on impact. Maybe WotC should have upped the damage dice(not that d12 is bad dice), but trade off is that a successful hit breaks the weapon. Dropping 10gp for say 3d8+Str wouldn't be worth it when PC's are low level and fighting goblins, but when the PC's are flush with cash and fighting dragons at later levels... Could be worth?

RAW, you can still attack with your echo, you are just deafened and blinded (so your attacks are disadvantage), although JC has said he thinks you shouldn't be able to attack while scouting, by the text printed in the book you can, and there has never been an errata!

I dont know the anime but it looks somewhat historical? Roman arches, half capes, stuff like that.

@@Liquessen Oh sorry, yeah I'm not sure either, I got it from a compilation of good anime fight scenes!

@@DnDShorts ahh thats a good point! cheers, great video (and other videos as well)

@Dave004 Hi there friend, i assume you've found the anime by now but just incase, Its call Garo: the animation or maybe garo project tbh you've already seen the best bit but i would give a light recommendation