Ranking EVERY PVE Subclass in Destiny 2 (ft. Saltagreppo & Aegis) 

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Really hope S23 gives Stasis some much needed love. It's one of my favorite subclasses.

I don't understand Bungie's stance on Strand at all. They say that they want Stasis to be the Crowd Control subclass, but everything about Strand is designed for CC. Why would you design Strand the way it is, and then step back and ask yourself why it's doing what it does. Like, that's how you designed it. What did you expect to happen? Now, they've taken that ability away from Strand and given it an identity crisis

I agree with this tier list. One thing for sure is that there is no WAY well stays the same when final shape drops. If they want us to use the new warlock super they have to tone down well.

Could yall do an updated tire list for pvp? 🙏

My most played class is Revenant but I've been trying out some other builds for the last couple of months. My favorites have easily been Orpheus Rig Thether Spam and Gyrfalcons with Graviton Lance. I do really enjoy Solar but I don't particularly like any of the exotics. YAS is getting mega nerfed, Caliban's is a lot of fun but a little bit too much of a hassle for what it provides compared to other add-clear builds and Arthrys's sadly just feels rather weak. Lucky Pants is pretty cool and running Speedloaders on Solar to give your whole Team the speedloader buff and radiant is a cool support build but it doesn't feel all that special. Arc hunter is awsome but the Assassins Cowl build is probably the "hardest" class I've played so far and I don't always want to think that much while playing. Lastly I really can't get myself to like Strand Hunter. The super is just plain unfun to use, the grapple grenade is suboptimal compared to shackle grenades, the melee feels like a worse version of Withering Blade and there is barely any cool Strand exotics to synergize with the build (both weapons and armor). I love the Strand Beyblade though. If they added an exotic armor piece to double down on becoming a radioactive beyblade master I'm down.

Void hunter is clutch in GMs. Bonk Hammer Titan is a liability in GMs.

I’m actually a stasis hunter and it’s actually really powerful if you know how to use it

To me the problem with stasis is it has zero buffs. Like its lacking the 'verbs' (devour, radiant, sever) like its missing buffs

Terribly disappointed with the thread runner rating I think it’s great. But end of day these guys know what they’re talking about.

we need an updated tier list for 2024

Ive wiffed with thundercrash more times than id like to admit

Strand hunter has to be one of the most fun subclasses, I can just switch off my brain and make orbs for days

I’d probably say the solar subclass is S++ tier because of the the damage output.

If well shouldn't break neither should bubble

Geomags makes arc warlock hella strong

Prismatic has entered the chat*

I was so disappointed by hunter stasis super, it’s so lame all you do is throw two pieces of ice, why titan smashes ice and warlock gets a ice staff

I use Omnioculus in GMs regularly. Invis hunter is absolutely S+ tier when you can negate enemy detection and mitigate incoming damage by 50%. I had to stop watching there.

All subclasses are s tier in my eyes

I love your content dude but I find with your tier lists the *S* Catagory has kinda lost all meaning as so many of the Subclasses get jammed in there...just IMO

W Aegis

That well take aging like spoiled milk 😅

Another W video❤❤❤❤

The "old suspend threadrunner" due to the nerfs definitely belongs in B... but the new whirling maelstrom makes it on par with gathering storm at least. You get unlimited tangles that unravel everything and potentially unlimited woven mail on top of threaded specter basically giving you invis??? Dont think these guys have played with the "new" threadrunner much

Sounds like salt is titan main putting all titan supers in a tier😂

Idk why ppl speedrun...it is so pointless

Stasis needs some of these changes. - Shards should be made with fragments and not aspects. - The 40% DR from the fragment Chains, should work similar to that of Woven Mail. Whenever that 40% DR gets activated, it lingers for 10 seconds after there's no more crystal or frozen enemies. Allowing for a little extra survivability (especially for Warlock) and less stationary gameplay. - Rime(Stasis only form of intrinsic healing) needs to be removed and added to another fragment or reworked. A few of the stasis armor exotics need some buffs as well. Bakris - Kills while Light Shift is active reduce the cooldown of the next dodge. * Red/Orange - 5% * Champs - 20% *Mini Boss - 50% *Boss - 100% *Guardians - 10% Ballidorse - Allows for early deactivation of the super for a 15% stasis damage boost. Hoarfrost - Finally change barricade size depending on which which barricade you have equipped and allies get 25% increased ability cooldown regen while behind the barricade. Cadmus - Precision Kills or kills with a diamond lance create a stasis elemental explosion that slows nearby enemies. Winter's Guile - Gain 2 melee charges.

For an end game master activity solar titan really struggling to go through there’s some game activities when you can’t do it w titan or warlock, that’s when void hunter comes to action

I disagreed with half of your tierlist last time...but this one is very accurate. Though for me void hunter is low A because his offencive capability on it's own is very bad. Invis is good in GMs but arc or solar damage output would be a lot more noticable. All the other classes stay perfectly at their spots.

The only way Salt would ever be challenged in this game is if he were forced to use green tier gear and weapons for a raid. And even then he'd find a way to trivialize a day one raid.

for me personally titans super really boring outside from burning maul "pyrogale is just cherry on top" i'm really looking forward to the new void super though it looks so fun

A bit sad to see how far the stasis subclasses have fallen, I remember back in beyond light when they were all so strong, especially shadebinder in gms.

Go watch esoterickk video. Did DPS on solo Riven with a Stasis Synthoceps build. It's one of the highest DPS supers in the game. Not sure why this narrative still exists

The best thing about Destiny 2 is 'almost' every subclass is viable in PvE Grandmaster content and that's how I mostly judge my subclasses as anything is viable in Legendary and lower content. I personally wouldn't be able to make Behemoth work in GM without just paying defensive, maybe someone else understands it's power but for me it's the shittest of the shittest (I fast forwarded the video, I see that you agree, glad it's not just me) - We're obviously talking about the current game, but before the nerfs to Strand, Threadrunner with it's double grenades basically nerfed any GM and with Aeon Souls me and my team walked the last two season GM's, but with the nerfs and Banner of War added, I full agree Titan Strand is far superior now. I don't really disagree with any of the other spots other than Arc Warlock is S+ tier for me (With Arc Soul, getting class ability on grenade damage you basically have an infinite uptime on all abilities and getting healing plus an offensive buddy for all your team.) It's unstoppable in all content especially with the damage and speed of damage that arc boasts. - I would also change, If Broodweaver get's B-Class then Shadebinder deserves B-Class also, most certainly since the Strand nerfs. Shadebinder is the only stasis class I consider viable in high end content and freezing people in GM content is a life saver. But other than that, great list.

I think my biggest disagreement is on the arc classes. Arc Warlock >>>> Arc Titan.

👏👏👏 very objective breakdown by D2 giants of play!

Strand hunter is actually really good with the new aspects c tier is criminal

I agree with mostly everything besides strand warlock I think it deserves around mid S tier. Best damage super on warlock automatically gives it a large bump and its neutral game is decent. I'd personally say that if you already have a warlock running well its the best thing you could run.

Solar Hunter is good at two things DPS and killing trash mobs. Definitely A tier at best. Not the best choice for GMs or anything you are significantly under leveled for.

I dunno how Solar Hunter is S when it's never an optimal choice in GM. It's essentially carried by SES+BB for boss damage only while having a lacking neutral

I feel like they don’t even play some of these classes. Strand Hunter with maelstrom and 100% up time on woven mail with the exotic helmet through grapple is at least A tier, if not S.

Ayo Above

W. Been waiting for you to drop this

Two radio hosts and Salt phoning in his lines.

Threadrunner at B was absolutely not something I expected, it literally has so much damage and protection like decoys are invisibility on steroids

Salt be like, "Everything is broken so nerf it."😄

love how you put k walk for football!!! GOO HAWKS

I have BEEN! waiting for this vis, thank you! keep 'em coming

They nerfed suspend way too much

S++? no hate but please do S, A, B, C, D, E, F next time

More S tiers then A and under kind of defeats the purpose of having S tier

Banner of war is stronger than woven mail imo

Please make a new version of this for season 23 🙏🏼

Void hunter is not S anymore

I love well but my gosh like the subclass needs some serious reworks. the fact that pretty much every feature of the subclass has a specific interaction with heat rises is such a weak point for a game built around buildcrafting its like "Make your guardian any way you want but you have to run this aspect and this super or loose a ton of subclass potency" and that really pisses me off

Can someone give me a good description of each class and how they perform in PvP causal pve and harder pve I jus got back in the game and don’t know what to main, so pls help me out, I been using nighthawk golden gun lately and its fun, and then chaos reach and nova bomb on warlock but I feel like its damage isn’t that good, I know there’s that well super with the sun races but I feel it gets boring, I heard thunder crash and the burning maul with gauntlets is fun, so pls help me out

Where's my hammer???

This is why if Bungie nerfs well, warlocks will sincerely become the most useless class in the game.

Ill never understand why they jus buffed a lot of supers and the ones that were ass before the buff are still ass even after the buff

Well is NOT "S++"... lol

Hunters aren’t eating good when it comes to pve.

As a hunter main id said hunter is the biggest glass cannon when u comes to choice of classes

Strand titan with monte carlo is so strong

I was expecting strand Titan to be on s++

i wonder where they would put strand titan now

Bro is got Crash Bandicoot music in the background😤😱

Duskfield grenades on stasis are ass

How many of you main void titan?

If strand titan isn’t #1 you are a liar 😂. I’ll watch now

Hunter gunslinger and threadrunner should be swapped gunslinger is weak as hell in high level content you are as weak as wet tissue. Strand hunter has basically infinige woven mail and the movement of two grapples means you control the terrain

Well must go. Bring self res back please

Void hunter is not S

Good tier list. Cant agree with Broodweaver though. Broodweaver is leagues better than stormcaller.

Void lock is stronger than arc lock though

This is one of the most accurate subclasses I have seen in a while. I would put gunslinger and sunbreaker a tier lower and broodweaver and thread runner a tier higher but other then that it is pretty accurate

aegis and above are the goats 🐐

Lesgoooooo

😂😂

If its for PvE only, void titan is extremely overrated, C tier for sure tbh. 0 value in running that subclass solo or with a team.

Great video!

Stasis titan is better than stasis hunter. Renewal grasps are the most overrated exotic in the game

I think solar hunter isn’t that great. Compared to the other hunter subclasses, managing your abilities and buffs is like walking on a tightrope. It’s all centered around throwing knife, and that can be inconsistent in harder content and content with a fireteam. It’s not absolute trash but the other subclasses do what it does better with either less or easier set up.

Ranking EVERY PVE Subclass in Destiny 2 (ft. Saltagreppo & Aegis)

I don’t understand this video wtf is this ranking based off if it’s overall gameplay wit gms/raid then this ranking needs to be redone cuz they talk about dps as if that’s all the subclasses are based off if you put strand hunter on B then so should arc hunters as arc hunters is literally a NICHE subclass when running wit teammates on gms yet they rank it S because it’s very very good at normal/master raid runs for ad clear and dps so wtf is this video about 😂

I can't in good conscience like this video when there's S+ and S++ instead of just adding a D and E at the bottom

The integrity of this list is completely compromised putting Stormcaller that high. Why’d you bring salt and aegis if you’re going to completely ignore them lol

All I think that should change is threarunner to s/a, and gunslinger to b. Otherwise, good list!

Hello :3 i'm new in destiny 2, idk which class pick but i really enjoy warlock class, which items need for that build "dawnblade"?

I'd say my only complaint is brrodweaver being so low. Best warlock dps (some of the best dps period) plus the frankly ABSURD neutral of necrotic+wearer's trance.

No way Arc Warlock isn’t at least S. It’s unlimited ability

My Ranks: hunter: 1-arc 2-void 3-strand 4-solar 5-stasis warlock: 1-Stasis 2-Solar 3-Void 4-Arc 5-Strand Titan- 1-Void 2-Strand 3-Solar 4-Arc 5-Stasis