Trying an early upload (by 1 hour) to see if it's better for the video/channel. Enjoy my takes on the Soulsborne Final Bosses, and remember to stay civil and debate with kindness in the comments ^^
Could it being so weak make sense lorewise though? I mean why else would it need the help of hunters? (I'm no lore expert by any means, I could be talking shit)
@miyazakisimping that's the sad-ish part. It makes sense lore wise. But since the Moon Presence created the dream, it should at least have more variety of attacks/abilities and again, not have the same HP as Gehrman.
@@darianclark3980 Would have been cool if it used its role as master of the dream against you. Maybe changing the look of the place or trying to warp space offensively.
'You were by my side all along.' 'I am Malenia. Blade of Miquella. And I have never known defeat.' '*inaudible Orphan of Kos screeching*' FromSoft know how to write a good line when they need to.
"For my lady's painting.." "This spot marks our grave. But you may rest here too, if you'd like." "Return from whence thou came'st." "My true mentor.." "ROOBEERRRT!!!" "MYYYY NAAAAAAMEEE!!!! IS GYOUBU MASATAKA ONIWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! AS I BREATH, YOU WILL NOT PASS THE CASTLE GATE!" "Have it writ upon thy meager grave; felled by King Morgott!" "I won't miss." "AWGHHHHAHHAHHH!!!" - Orphan of Kos "Cower before Destined Death." "For the glory of Ashina." "Oh, is this.. the blood? The blood.. of the Dark Soul.." "Good riddance.. starving wolf." "Miquella is mine, and mine alone." "I am Malenia, Blade of Miquella." "Hesitation is defeat." "Mayoeba yabureru."
For myself I love Isshin the Sword Saint as a final boss. The arena and the lore for fight are amazing. I remember when I beat him I'd actually turned off the music so it was just the sound vfxs and I feel like it challenges you to use everything you've learnt. My ranking 11: True King Allant 10: Aldia 09: Nashandra 08: Moon Presence 07: Mergo's wet nurse 06: Elden Beast/Radagon 05: Gywn 04: Soul of Cinder 03: Shura Isshin/Emma (I consider Emma phase 1) 02: The First Hunter (forgot how to spell his name) 01: Sword Saint Isshin
I would've loved Elden Beast more if it was optional like the Moon Presence. Maybe have it be locked behind getting all of the Great Runes as right now there's no reason to get them all outside of testing them after which you'll stick to the one you like
Not a bad list but I would replace Radagon/Beast with Gwyn. Gwyn is not a good boss fight whatsoever, but the lore/atmosphere/music is nice. Radagon/Beast is actually a good fight with Radagon being a great phase one and Elden Beast being a cool, atmospheric and A/V spectacle. Elden Beast has a couple issues but I still kinda like it, I def like it more than Gwyn.
It's actually possible to dodge the Wet Nurse's desperation move. You just need to dodge the moment she casts the ability and it won't happen. I've pulled it off myself before.
Gehrman is my favorite bossfight of all time. Almost everything is perfect. Moveset, arena, music, lore behind the fight. Everything is the best of the best. The only small gripe I have with this fight is that it could have been a bit harder for a final fight.
First off, based Sword Saint enjoyer, for making him your #1. I'd even say it's among my favorite final bosses in gaming as a whole. After not playing Sekiro for some years, I decided my first thing to do on this revisit was fight him right away. Absolute thrill. Second, I personally would put Radagon a bit higher, maybe #5 cuz of its mechanics after getting better at ER. Something I learned about post-nerf Elden Stars is that if you wanna avoid it without a hitch, run under the arm casting Elden Stars as its sent out, and sprint like mad. It ensured I didn't have to deal with it, making the fact it can act with impunity a non issue. Third, I'd personally put Gwyn lower cuz of how the fight feels. The parrying can make him an absolute joke, but if you can't or choose not to, his attacks are pretty janky, and unreliable to negotiate with. Still very doable, but it doesn't feel satisfying mechanically. Narratively, very satisfying though as it makes perfect sense that his fight is anticlimactic given the state of the world, and the amount of time that has passed since his efforts to prolong his age.
Gwyn is a funny case as despite what would seem obvious and what people would tell you... He was meant to be hard. Miyazaki himself said that he was meant to be really challenging, but their attempts to balance him in such a way that would make all builds viable in fighting him ended up making him a joke
@@historicflame972 it's more the fact that the moveset is unreliable. I don't care if he's hard or easy, I just want the moveset to be reliable to deal with regardless of your approach. When two different swings have the same animation, just one is twice as fast than the other with nothing to really differentiate them other than the swing speed itself, it just feels like shit to deal with. Maybe I myself haven't fought him enough to learn if there is a tell, but it's pretty obnoxious. It's not like Pontiff where he has two similar sword swings, but the faster swing is only in the middle of combos, while the slower one is a standalone move it combo starter.
honestly you do not know how much I respect the Old king placement just for SPITE towards "Uhm Ackually I'm better at souls than you!!!" mfs in the last videos comments hahaha
The first time I heard someone say “On fleek” was in 6th grade, i graduated highschool 2 years ago😭 i got a license, a first job, moved states, entered and left my first relationship, and am legally allowed to drink now, and yet the word Fleek haunts me.
The best way I've found to deal with Elden Stats is to circle around EB to get it between you and ES, then do running jumps until ES goes away. A RU-vidr called LupineO shows it off well in a challenge run he did recently.
He's easily in my Top 5 Boss Fights of all time. But I'd definitely need a lot of time and energy to figure out the rest of that list, I've played too many games xD
Already in the works. I have both a boss ranking & area ranking video for Lies of P in the works. If I'm lucky, one of them will come out this weekend ^^
I think Radabeast would be better if Radagon stayed dead, and the cutscene for entering the arena shifted so that you teleport in to see his corpse and then the usual phase transition cutscene happens. Give him a bit more health, and don't give any boss kill banner ceremony until you've slain Elden Beast. Also, use Fan Daggers against Elden Beast. They make such a satisfying quintuple clink against its glass body and let melee players not feel as left out when they aren't close to the boss. Finally, when it does the rings attacks, it always resurfaces directly opposite to where it began the attack, so you can catch up to it consistently. A couple days ago I was able to first try the duo on my level 147 character, with a little help from the Divine Fortification incantation, and the fights work quite well when you know what you're doing and don't need to slog through Radagon a dozen times to secure your Elden Beast kill.
Bloodborne is one of my favorite games so I am going to add some lore theory as to why I think the Moon Presence is so weak. Remember the Great Ones are sympathetic in spirit to the people that make contact with them. So I think the Moon Presence hates the other Great Ones that have created the nightmares which is why it allies with the hunters and creates the Hunter's Dream. It may be weaker than other Great Ones so it uses the hunters to slay the other nightmares. Also it could be holding back because its sympathetic towards you the hunter that killed the other Great Ones. It also could be a young Great One, maybe a past hunter that became the Moon Presence, like you do after beating it, so maybe it isn't as powerful yet. Since it is a cycle that is constant. Idk these are just theories I have thought of as to why it's so weak. From a gameplay standpoint, it could just be weak so a player can more realistically beat Gehrman and Moon Presence back to back on a first try or play through.
Also another reason the moon presence could be so weak is that maybe the good hunter is the first time a hunter has had the power to defy the moon presence and fight it
I get why people want me to rank weapons, but I've never been a player who fucks around with different build & weapon types. I worry I legit wouldn't be qualified to talk about them.
As a new Bloodborne player, I can say that yes, my first reaction to Mergo’s Wet Nurse’s clone attack was to run in a circle around the arena until it ends, and I just ended up dying many times to that boss
The age of fire is NOT the age of humanity, the age of dark is the age of humanity. This is just propaganda fed to you by Frampt and the gods to get you to sacrifice yourself to the first flame. Fear not the dark, my friend, and let the feast begin.
I'm proud I did Gwyn like any other boss, with no shield, simply rolling through his blows. He's one of my personal favorite boss, and I'm glad I didn't know of the parry possibility so I fought him loyally
12: true king allant. Not bad, good design and for story telling 11: gwyn: awful fight, good music though 👍 10: throne duo: never liked this fight, not sure why 9: mergo nurse: kinda dislike the music, and the nightmare phase ruins the flow 8: moon presence: mid fight, awesome design 7: nashandra: Amazing music, decent moveset, good story 6: emma/isshin: just doesn’t feel nearly as good to me as sword saint 5: aldia: cool moveset, best voicelines, amazing ost 4: radabeast: I actually prefer elden beast to Radagon 3: gehrman: used to think this fight was mid, but I like it a lot more now 2: isshin: such a good boss, peak sekiro combat 1: soul of cinder: what can I say, best moveset, best arena, best lore, best soundtrack
the 1 hp attack of the Moon Presence actually harms it even more than you mentioned, since for a few seconds after using it your Rally is increased by quite a bit.
If you wanna be a little different, for your next video you could go with “most important character in each Soulsborne game” Though two of them would still be the final bosses
if they gave the moon prescense morgott's moveset i would be replaying bloodborne like 50 times. its just such a cool design and it deserves to be the hardest boss
Gael doesn’t fit technically end ds3, but I’d like to think lore wise he’s the final boss because you (the player) and him are the final beings left in the world of dark souls
For that reason alone he should be in here, because not only is he the final boss of Dark Souls 3, he's the final boss of the entire souls series. To me, that alone gets him a seat at the table, especially if Mergo's Wet Nurse is here, and 1000x more if Aldia is here 😂
When I clicked this it was already into the video a little bit. It was at the part where he said become slug, with the be cut off already. I was very confused.
I forget if i brought this up in a previous video or not, but theres an interesting detail i realised about Sword Saint Isshin. This is a legendary swordsman, who founded his own nation, and invented an entire style of swordplay. So the Sword Saint pulling out a spear that overtakes his sword as his primary weapon seemed to come out of nowhere. However then i realized that in this nation heavily focused on sword combat, Ashinas most elite soldiers, the best of the best, are the Seven Ashina Spears. Makes me wonder if Isshin is a proficient spear user first and formost, and he picked up the sword to give his opponents a more equal fight.
20:50 I have a weird love for Gwyns fight. I first beat Ds1 after playing first ds2 co op with some friends, and back in 2017 when we beat it I was the second of three to beat him (since beating him ends the game) which left me with one friend to fight him, it wasn't too bad. Me and the same group of friends are doing a challenge where we beat all 3 souls games before we try elden ring (currently on ds2 dlc) and I was the last one to beat Ds1 this time. My 1v1 with him was a lot more memorable to me than when I did it with a friend. Such a sick 1v1 lore wise to end the game. Like you said he was super aggressive in not letting me heal, it was a fight I had to actually learn and beat on like my 7th try. I love Gwyns fight, I hope the fandom never forgets how special and cool it was
With Gwyn, I think he was supposed to be a much more challenging boss but the game designers were forced to rush the last 30-40% of the game because the head gave them a deadline. Because of that, the ending was just underwhelming.
No, the lore makes sense of why he's kind of weak. His power was exhausted after holding on to the flame for so long and you face a man who's years and years past his prime. Also he can be quite difficult if you don't parry
Sekiro was my first soulsborne game (technically second since I played Elden ring till rennala but didn’t finish it at that point) and isshin literally took me 40 something tries the best of my tries were 25% of his spear phase and suddenly on my last attempt something clicked and I don’t even know what happened I beat him while my friend was watching me from the corner and I was shocked
Sword Saint Isshin is bananas. He’s actually kind of fun once you get used to his moves. But man was he ludicrous when I first faced him! Just have to get the rhythm…
the darkness clone attack pf Mergo's wet nurse is actually and AOE attack that she casts and you can DODGE it surprisingly enough hehe. If you do you will escape that phase completly
When you're getting targeted by elden stars, run (not walk RUN) in an EXTREMELY tight circle - I usually avoid 90-95% of them as long as I know its about to hit
People talk about the overall quality of DS3 and Bloodborne's bosses but seem to overlook Sekiro, which imo has the highest-quality set of bosses in the whole series. Individually, Emma and Shura Isshin aren't even in my top 5 Sekiro bosses yet I 100% agree with this list's top 3. Amazing video and one that earned you a subscriber!!
Only played ds1 through 3 so far, and yeah soul of cinder is easily the best of the group. I have a soft spot for Nashandra despite her being really easy, and even though they have good lore, I don’t like Aldia or Gwyn much at all as bosses
I think you should have included Slave Knight Gael to this aswell, because he actually wraps up the entire story of Dark Souls 3, or even the entire Dark Souls series... Then again, the list would be really unfair in that situation...
The Elden Beast fight would be way better if, after beating Radahn, you learn (from Melina maybe), about the Elden Beast in some way, then you get to gather some things (maybe you just need to get all the great runes), and only then, do you fight the Elden Beast. I just feel like that would build up the fight way better, as well as making it actually feel distinct from Radagon
If I’m so honest Imo the final fight of Elden ring would be better if it was just a beefier and slightly tougher version of radagon, and scrap the beast altogether
I'm gonna be that guy, but from what I remember in the lore the age of fire was the age of lords, not the age of hummanity, Gwyn feared the dark age of humanity that comes after the age of fire.
good video man i prefer elden beast and radagon over gwyn but i get why people like gwyn but if you don’t parry gwyn his fight is fairly difficult in terms of DS1 but the music for elden ring final boss is what does it for me i love that theme so much
The Soul of Cinder is one of my top five bosses(I played DS1, DS2, DS3 and BB. I can’t play DES and I’m not interested in Sekiro and ER). The other 4 are: Ornstein and Smough, Sir Alonne, Lady Maria and Gael.
I have a problem with something you said. I believe that True king allant is meant to be the final boss people think about as it fits better with the messages of the game. The idea that choosing to be selfish and sacrifice those around you leads to misery and desolation while everyone paying their debts and making the necessary sacrifices let’s the world prosper. We mainly see these ideas and theme in demons souls and DS1, Before they moved on to other things. The best example in demon souls I can think of is the phalanx. phalanx was a person who let others go and die on the battle field while they stayed safe in the castles walls, so they died as a weakling and who hid behind their comrades. King allant chose to sacrifice the souls of others and act selfishly, so he didn’t have to improve himself, and as a result he died as a weak slug. In dark souls 1 Gwyn stole the lord soul and didn’t pay his due until anor londo was abandoned and he was all alone, he was selfish he started the world down the path to the end of everything. So yes it is important to consider everything even if you don’t think people will remember it. Especially if you’re considering the story behind the bosses.
I'm not denying that True King Allant fits better with the story Demon's Souls is telling. I've gone into detail about it in my Demon's Souls Boss Ranking videos last year. But I don't think it's a stretch to say that most people likely won't remember the blob you wail on before you pick your ending, versus the False King Allant fight which is the hardest test of a player's skill & has sufficient built up. Either way, he'd still be last place on the list.
@@BillySYT I don’t care about putting him in last, he honestly deserves it. I’m complaining about your rant at the beginning where you spent several minutes complaining that you got criticized on your first bosses videos. Now I agree with who you put into the ranking for that list, as if you included literally every single possible first boss the video would be 2 hours long at least, but there was a much more mature way to handle that over throwing a tantrum about it in your next video and then seemingly intentionally misinterpreting what was meant by the developers to justify said tantrum and then say ‘see this is what happens if we go over the every possibility instead of what i subjectively enjoy’ I mostly respect you and like your content, but I think that the way you handled the backlash to your video was immature and childish. Especially when, as I said earlier, you seemingly intentionally misinterpreted what was intended by the developers.
In my humble opinion, nothing will EVER beat Isshin the Sword Saint, that was a crazy final boss, perfectly designed to make you sure you mastered every singles aspect of the game. Edit: Having now watched the video, I can see you are a true man of culture as well
The Elden Beast disrespect has gone on for far too long. I definitely don't agree with the sentiment that Torrent should have been an option in this fight. The distance from the boss allows you to soak up the amazing spectacle in a way that would be lost in part if you could just be near it all the time. And the time you are actually unable to hit it is highly exaggerated in many videos I watched that talk about it, it's not that long. As for Elden Star, like with some of the complaints for the other bosses, the perceived unfairness of the move totally just comes down to the game being the newest and so some people still didn't master the most difficult bosses (sorta like it happens every time a new game comes around, just amplified because the bosses have some of the most challenging movesets yet) . Also, how can it be a disconnected fight ? It's literally using Radagon's body as a weapon. Elden Beast's lore is slept on too. Overall, Elden Beast is my favorite of the final bosses and one of my favorites in general. I like it even more than Radagon and their fight is the ultimate test for all the Tarnished Warriors that have come so far to obtain the Elden Ring.
With all due respect, can we not start the narrative that just because I ranked Elden Beast in 6th, that I'm somehow "disrespecting" it? You can explain why you love a fight without needing to put down others, or toss their opinions away as disrespect.
It's a topic I definitely want to cover. I just worry that I won't be able to do any of the music justice when explaining what I like, since I'm not exactly musically literate lol
Well technicallyyyy if you played and beat the game when it came out and then waited for the DLC, the DLC final boss woulllddddd be the final boss of the game
'moon presence is easy' full blood veils, full bullets, looks very suspiciously. But it is really easy, and when it sucks your hp, you should run and hit the beast to recover it.
I have full blood vials & bullets because, after killing Gehrman, I used a bold hunters mark to go buy his weapon from the store before triggering NG+. Even if I had my set-up from when I beat Gehrman, I'd still win the fight. My damage output was already way more than Moon Presence could handle.
@@BillySYT okey-okey)) i'm pretty sure, that moon presence is quite easy for you, especially as a final boss. I haven't played sekiro, so my favourite boss is soul of cinder, great design, music, moveset. The second favourite is Gerhman, also music, location, he is quite strong. And I think that Radagon is great final boss, he looks awesome, music is epic, everything sparkling but I don't like Elden beast.
I’ve beaten Bloodborne 4x and never died to Gehrman… he had an awesome intro to the fight. The fight was very meh. It was fine. Too much hype around it. After an excellent game it was a good finish. Not a hard one. But cool.
I can agree that Isshin is a better BOSS, but when it comes to being a FINAL BOSS, there is a perfectly valid argument for Soul of Cinder being nearly perfect, though yes it is bolstered by lore and the fact that its ending the whole series. I'm a sucker for finality and Soul of Cinder just fits tonally better than anything else ever could have.
It's so sad hearing him have to announce every joke he makes because some dumb people absolutely flamed him when he's just making an entertaining video
Elden beast wouldn’t be hated if you could use torrent. For some reason you can use torrent to cover ground vs every other boss in a massive open area but the final boss with 50 unique attacks
I'd like to get around to that game eventually, but it'll likely be a while. I've got enough games I already want to play, that adding another to the pile will make it worse xD
I like the Lord Gwyn is how "easy for lore reasons" kind of fights should be. Not like True King Allant. Its enough for you to half think but also appreciate the entire atmosphere and theme. I think your placement is really apt. Its hard to not appreciate your entire journey while fighting him. Soul of Cinder I really appreciate for the same reasons, but Its definitely a better fight.
He’s a DLC boss. He maybe the final boss From made for DS3 but to complete the game you MUST defeat the Soul of Cinder. You can defeat Gael before beating the game. Sorry but that pretty much disqualifies him.
Yeah, sorry. I only considered final bosses who, once you beat them, you're able to roll the game's credits. If you want to see some Gael, you can check out my Dark Souls III Boss Rankings from earlier this year. I think you'll be quite pleased with his placement ^^
Ranking the last bossess based on dificulty instead of actual lore seems like a mistake tbh. These are honestly the only actual piece of lore that these lazy poor writters put into the game lol.
