Rapture | BioShock 

"The seed of the prophet shall sit the throne, and burn in flame the mountains of man" ~Father Comstock

Would you kindly talk about monarch from the King Kong movie

Can you do the Detroit: Become Human on how it started?

Would you kindly go to ryans office and kill the son of a b!tch

I don’t understand why Atlas is put in title, the video is more about the creation of Rapture...

Also nobody wanted to clean toilets, but y'know.

Captain Fordo Don't forget to add an ideology so hyper-focused on the individual that society rots in a way that won't last past a generation. Sneaking through the Ryan The Lion Academy convinced me of that much.

Captain Fordo it destroys itself.

Worker uprisings to

Adam didnt destroy the city, it just accelerated the fall and made it irremediable. But the civil war would have happened any way, the society was profoundly inequal and proud of it.

A 40k Weeb Ironic that Ryan himself was every bit the slave to his own ego and need to stay in control. To the very last, he could never admit that a lot of what wrong was because he did this to himself.

or that Adam made willing slaves on its users

Sir Aroun It just hit me...Ryan was every bit the addict that the Splicers were. The only difference? His drug of choice, which was his ego.

Rose BPOS Small problem...it's also the bottom of the ocean, which means they also need to withstand overwhelming ocean pressures and not freeze to death from the subzero temperatures. Do you REALLY think Ryan would genetically alter people enough to make that much happen, especially when deep-sea brass suits do the same trick?

Rose BPOS A free market that Ryan tried to muscle whenever he saw a threat (see Frankie Fontaine). For commercial purposes, sure, he'd have no objections. But why bother with all that when you've got the more pliable Big Daddies and before them vulnerable humans in the brass suits I mentioned? Do not forget how deeply paranoid he was over internal and external threats.

*sea slug grabs kelp snacks and watches rapture destroy itself unaided*

Not an argument

I mean as long as you don't violate the NAP then I wouldn't have to launch cluster bombs on your side of the city.

Back then taxes on the wealthy were much higher so to someone like Ryan it would seem like his money is being taken to fund the newly created social programs for the poor.

In 40s, US expands or created many social programs under FDR administration so, in Ryan's eye and time period, it makes sense.

@@TheSpartan3669 lets go back to that time

@@RetroRadianceLight Amen

当時問屋に勤めていましたが、全国的に安売りしていましたよ。在庫は邪魔だから御得意様には場所さえあるのでしたらと配っていたし。ディスクライターの近くにワゴンでディスクの特価品を置くのはどこも提案してました。無論書き換え要員の意味合いで。ですから定番と言っても差し支えないと思いますよ。通りすがりでした。

Alex P Why golf?

Play Bioshock and you will know.

LocalHeretic 1127 I avoided that game for 10 years because it is scary and not gonna start now.

Peizxcv I bought Xbox One last year and Bioshock Collection. So my experience is still quite fresh Bioshock is a great game. Amazing art, graphics , storytelling. Not as much gameplay. But that game is a piece of genuine art. But art is not for everybody and I wont force it to you.

Peizxcv you're missing out. It's not called one of the greatest games of all time for nothing.

Justafan IV And Greek myth allusions. You see them sprinkled throughout Rapture in the form of place names.

I would like to know, what Adam does to wildlife around Rapture?

Dragonfist12185 Being on the ocean floor, there's mercifully not a lot of that. As it was a product of the native sea slugs, I'd want to think it had some natural resistance to it that humans didn't.

Johnathon Haney I'm just wondering what affect Adam would have on a Goblin 🦈..

Justafan IV there was never a paradise. Man born to the wild is wild at heart.

one of the reasons i love fallout 4 is that the commonwealth is the midpoint between fallout 1+3, and 2+New Vegas, where *you* get to build a new society

Why would a nuking of an entire world be better than a failure of a largely-unknown isolated city?

@@XzaroX its not better so much as, there doesn't seem to be a way back for Rapture, (or Columbia) whereas the Fallout world is unequivocally rebuilding from the ruins of its' leaders' hubris. Bioshock's story is about charting the downward spiral of the cities at the core of the story, Fallout's is about both charting that downward spiral AND building back up

@@XzaroX I.....can't really remember, I'm sure there was a reason I thought that, however, this was like.....3 years ago, since then I've had multiple hospital visits, worried if I was going to be employed or not after the lockdowns, multiple car breakdowns, covid, more car breakdowns, so I've been more concerned over real world factors then fictional ones. Update; Okay, so I'm not getting notifications on some reply's, for some reason, but what Edge2125 said was probably the reason for my comment.

I mean if we pick between a Nuclear hellscape that enravaged the entire planet with Nuclear radiation, mutants & all sorts of depravity due to Governments fighting over a dwindling amount of burnable resources... OR a single city filled with enhanced human beings that had their DNA reconstructed granting them supernatural abilities but also causing mass addiction that could potentially lead to those said human beings killing each other over their drug. I would obviously pick the latter... Humanity can still fight back and have a decent chance against splicers and even big daddiers / sisters. Fallout wise, nothing would probably ever recover if we look at how everything turned out... Billions dead, Mutants roam every bit of land, Humans being born during this time either turn out to be fanatics, ghoulified freaks or lunatic raiders. Factions attempting to rebuild some type of civilization turn out to be corrupt or inept at their jobs leading to more people dying or being forced into labour. Last remnants of humanity elites are attempting to wipe the slate completely clean by purging all humans on earth. Last remnants of the military, either became to obsessed with hording technology that they started to fight with themselves in the process. There is no hope of salvation for Fallout, it will never be the world it once was.

Andrew Ryan*

DavidKC Too bad he could never face up to the consequences of his own choices. Rapture's fall was always someone else's fault.

DavidKC according to Schopenhauer, we don't make choices as we always pick the choice that we hope will end on the best outcomes for us.

@@karolean8342 that's....what making a choice is

Not entirely a true statement, but ok

Eh, not really

Arturo Reyes Cortez And that's not getting into his underacknowledged racism as seen in his treatment of Charles Milton Porter. But you're missing another element. In addition to subtracting Ryan's flaws from the equation, those ideals would needed compromises that made it all work. Ryan's single greatest mistake was telling himself he'd never have to do that and never had, even when the opposite of the latter had happened with destructive results.

Johnathon Haney And let's not forget he let the slavery of the little sisters happen. He favors freedom, but only if it's the freedom of the strong, and in his eyes slavery and almost supernatural objects are part of free market.

Arturo Reyes Cortez Yeah, that part of things is THE most disgusting facet of the Ryan regime. That Lamb created new Little Sisters in the name of "the people" told me I needed to know about her.

I know I’m a little late to the party, but even with a pure incarnation of his ideals, corruption is inevitable. Without a higher power protecting the rights of the individual, mobs, cliques, cabals, and institutions, will erase freedoms both within and without their ranks. Self-interest is all well and good, but markets only work with perfect information and perfect reasoning on the part of the consumer, the former of which only a government can force powerful groups of people to provide, and the latter of which required an education system to even approach.

As much as I hate to enact be no true Scotsman fallacy, this was most definitely a failure of objectivist ideas. Andrew Ryan didn't create a society where anyone was free to do what they pleased, he just said that's what he was doing and then made a pyramid put himself on his buddies on top.and while Fontaine did turn out to be the major antagonist of the entire game, Andrew Ryan's forced shutdown of fontaine's companies only exemplifies this point. He didn't let the free-market sort it out, he leveraged his own power as the maker of the city just shut down the competition.

That was also a factor. Yes. Fontaine was doing illegal practices what with contraband from the surface and the Little Sister program. But at that point, Ryan thought it was safer in his hands. And may Zeon never recover.

The fall occurred when Ryan clung to his own philosophy in the first place. Fontaine's use of the Little Sisters and Big Daddies (i.e. child slaves) was accepted by Ryan specifically because it was in keeping with Objectivist principles (he only complained that they weren't more pleasant to witness wandering the city, wishing they could look a little more "tidy"). Fontaine showed up, learned the rules of Objectivism, and said "it's everything I do on the surface, except down here they pretend it's noble and so it's legal. This place was MADE for chumps like me!"

Yes... and then Ryan went against this and took him out, thus going against his own philosophy.

But the START of the fall occurred because of his philosophy. He openly encouraged a shared philosophy where the most ruthless bastard was not only allowed to do as he pleased, but felt justified in demanding praise and adulation for being a ruthless bastard... then he found out he wasn't the most ruthless bastard. Then he tried to use military might to stop Fontaine... which is also in keeping with Objectivist principles. According to Ayn Rand, it was 100% justified to take the land away from Native Americans because they were "savages with no concept of property rights." In other words, because they weren't strong enough to stop it, that made it justified (much like how Ryan was completely okay with turning orphan children into Little Sisters and Big Daddies against their will. Because orphan children have no rights and enslaving them is better than letting them die of starvation and stink up the place). Or to quote Adam Smith, "All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind." Simply put, he based his entire city and life around a philosophy that said "I get to be a sociopathic bastard who takes what I want," and discovered to his shock that selfish pricks aren't very good at cooperating for mutual survival.

Yes, technically, but Rapture was thriving up until that point. While what Fontaine did was sadistic and cruel, it created a boost to the economy and Rapture was doing fine. When Ryan attempted to seize and destroy Fontaine, is when the downfall really began to start.

I'd say he took a good long look at the world, and was discussed by everything he saw in it. So then he set out to created his ideal vision of it.

Mr. Smile disgusted by even the noblest goals, what andrew said about the man in the different nations, seemed very self revisionist.

Resdyne Pretty much...he never understood the human race and was too arrogant to think he could ever be wrong. Building Rapture solved neither of those problems and in fact, led him to his doom.

Eric Southard There is much to admire about that Art Deco Atlantis. Its people in charge was never one of them, Ryan included.

I think it sounds wonderful as a concept if you ignore a large part of reality... But then again, in reality it would probably suck :P

Japan has a lot of an objectivist society. Their kids are taught for years "reason" and shield them against double-thinks, or in other words, contradictory beliefs, which is something that characterizes communism. No wonder it's the 3rd richest country in the world. The US as the richest, also has a lot of objectivism and libertarianism, core ideas that led to its creation.

@@nixtoshi you clearly don't know what communism means

@@Yourebeautyfull submarine cities do face hazards nothing else, not even O'neil cylinders would have to, but we've settled in the arctic and antarctic, so communities under the ocean are, I believe, inevitable, presuming there's anything down there we can use to justify the otherwise ruinous expense of the maintenance required. it wont be art-deco, sadly, but that'll just help make cleaning the barnacles off easier.

Pudlord Tynan No, sounds legit. From the structural integrity of the city to the ideals of its founder, rupture is exactly what it did.

The idea is that, in rapture, the good and the worthy will be taken to heaven, just as artists and intellectuals flocked to Rapture.

Sad thing is we didn't get to see it at it's pinnacle just the wreck afterwards. Would have been an interesting game is they had followed up

Tlasan Dukats Actually, we kind of did. Part I of Burial At Sea showed off the positives and day to day life of Rapture.

@@johnathonhaney8291 for the rich mostly

Mr. Smile Bioshock 2 and its DLC Minerva's Den are my faves of the series, hands down. The former is a dissection of parenthood and the subtle, destructive ways we hurt or help our children (the good ending always makes cry). The latter is an unacknowledged love story, a love triangle consisting of two men and a thinking machine. It has a "happy" ending that only comes from finally accepting a loss many years before.

I'm very much of the opinion that even without Adam, Rapture would have fallen eventually anyway, it would have just taken longer. The massive divide between the haves and have-nots in Rapture, combined with the cultural disdain for any kind of state or private welfare is going to create a lot of desperate people and with savvy and ruthless individuals like Fontain in the city, more than willing to stir up the populace and use them as his means towards power and wealth, a revolution is frankly inevitable. Ryan's big mistake, was forgetting that society is far more complex than he realised and that for every one of 'his' people (IE self made millionairs, scientists and artists) that he wanted in Rapture, there will be thousands of regular folks, looking for something better and only finding a city where they can be utterly exploited and have no protections or fallbacks. The irony being that Fontain, is pretty much the ultimate example of Ryan's own philosophy of self-intrest and self-reliance.

I too do think without Adam, any closed off society is going to have its downfall or froze in time, like Japan/China. I understand he doesn't want his city to be found by the CIA or KGB but restricting free trade is against his very own philosophy and will have dire consequences. Restricting free trade creates Fontaine's black market where people flock into their hands to get goods unable to be provided by the Ryan where it's only fish. Fish only diet is boring. Or scientist could've start a factory to perfect the taste of an artificial chicken/pork/beef. I agree that Ryan should've studied more on a sustainable working society rather than having a society of a gifted few. They need people to do the work, to create or maintain the facility. For these gifted few to actually have new great ideas, they need to be free to go outside and have inspirations. Yet Ryan restricted travel, going against individual freedom philosophy. It gets boring, nothing new is created. I also wonder why in 1960s, Rapture's culture is still in the 40s and 50s. In Ryan the Lion Preparatory Academy's cafeteria, nothing is free. So a hotdog and hamburger cost $0.25 (i'm assuming it's by 1947 after having new residents reside there until a year before the revolt 1957) which should be at $0.32. A decade slower yet prices are the same but newer technology. The massive divide could've just been resolved if their pay were increased but Fontaine used his soup kitchens to stir up a revolt as the people had more of a personal connection of him. Conversing with the poor man's savior, giving speeches, creating a cult, helping out the poor. From my perspective, the rich is very isolationist or non-progressives, progressors, progressionalistic? What I mean is they just want to stay the same, which is just not what Ryan envision, he wants progress not held back by petty morality. (From my own entrepreneurial perspective) I could've used my money to create an Entrepreneurial centre where the gifted/creative lower class would come introduce their idea, if I like it they'll get my funding and have a large percentage of equity of the company they'll be starting up. I make money, they make money, more jobs are created and a cycle continues. Could've open a trademark/legal property protection agency to protect my interest. Create a law firm. Other rich fellas gotta have to buy my rights for a contract, negotiating royalty rate, payment term, signing of contract, expiry date. All those could've make me more money but the rich rather stay cozy and not actively pursuing for a better opportunity.

It was proposed at Universal Studios, but they cancelled the project since the budget cost was way too high. :(

Benjamin Zbogar Technically, Bioshock Infinite is Bioshock III. There was a II and contrary to what you might have been told, it was excellent.