Rare Ojibwe spirit horse birth sparks excitement at Canadian farm 

it is just one breed out of hundreds of breeds of horses on the planet.

Who are you talking about? The horse is male.

​@Dave-gy5mv only humans invented those rules.

​@@vincentvega5686 It's a breed with only a few left.

It's male, but yes he is a cutie. The breed is very rare and is genetically distinct, as are a lot of breeds that were historically bred by indigenous populations in North America (Nokota, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Nez Perce to name a few more). Saving these breeds means saving a part of native cultures as well. I believe the Chickasaw is extinct, however.

Yes!!!!😊

You mean the Finnish horse breed? We do know North America has zero horses indigenous to it, right? All horses come from Europe

When did all you NPC's stop using apostrophe's?

​@@slappy8941when you bots started co-opting them - it's NPCs not NPC's

They just have to be careful of inbreeding with such a small pool. A horse channel I'm subscribed to mentions the problem with their breed of horses and how they try to avoid it.

They look more like the Icelandic and Fjord horses. But the Vikings did take horses to Normandy, France, so maybe strains of those horses were in the later French horses too.

THANK YOU! I hate it, when people think Native Americans/First Nations Peoples have this long, long standing relationship with horses. They don't. I mean, it's 500 years, or so, which is a long time, but nowhere near as long as they've apparently been on this continent (over 10,000 years).

Exactly, thought it was weird when she said "Our indigenous ancestors roamed these forests with these horses since time immemorial". There were equine species in North America over 10,000 years ago that went extinct. Horses as we know them are not native to North America. They keep implying that there were horses here pre-colonization. The guy at the end of the video starts taking about how "these horses really suffered the effects of the colonizers", as though the horses were already in North America.

Yes. These people are deluded. They think these are their horses. They are not. These are feral European horses.

​@@OntarioAtOrion Please explain your second part of your reply. I want to learn more.

OKAY MARTY

​​@@slappy8941😂😂

Amen to that.

Hippocampus

Sorry to break this to you but you're clueless

@@SolarEclipse1996 No one is actually going to believe you in any of these comments. You have people here citing actual studies, verified evidence, DNA testing, etc. and your only comments are 1 to 10 word non-sense, responses so poor I can get better from an 8 year old.

@@SolarEclipse1996😂 DUDE! Look it up! 🤣 It’s a widely known fact. You’re wrong.

@@howdyahworkthisthing1520 Dudette, look up delusional denial. You wouldn't know a fact if you tripped over one.

They are, the claim that they are unique horses that didn't descend from the colonizer's horses is just a fabrication, it makes for a good story.

@@hannahg.8572 Stop telling fabricated crack stories

I want to look into a bit further. Ive same mindset, Spanish horses. But looking at their colors, their size, and this is Canada..big country. At one time, wild horses were pretty widespread.

feelings trump facts

@@TaneKarnes The DNA studies are unambiguous, and unlike the people making these claims, the scientists don't have an economic interest in proving or disproving whether these horses are native to the Americas (which the DNA shows they aren't, they're a mix of European horses). As many commentors here have pointed out, they look quite similar to several Western or Northern European horse breeds, which is unsurprising, considering that's where most of their DNA comes from. The studies are easy to find online and publicly accessible, if you want to look into it more.

The breed is called the Ojibwe horse and it is a genetically distinct breed strongly believed to predate horses brought in from European settlers so is a true native north American breed and is adapted to live in our northern forests instead of grasslands.

Genetic analysis places their closest “cousins” as draft horses, which matches historical records of France sending draft horses to their settlements in what is now Canada. They are NOT from the Iberian stock of Columbus.

@@evilsharkey8954 When their numbers fell, they were crossed with Spanish mustangs in the 1970s, giving them some Iberian markers..

@@amberafonso2903 The University of Kentucky did research on the breed in 2012 and through typing found they are British pony with some Iberian horse genetics. A study done by a different organization using matrilineal genetics the same year concurred with the results. The other breed listed with them is "Canadian horse" which itself a hybridization of light riding and draft horses imported from France in the 1600s. It is not, therefore, in any way, a native breed. They are the hybrid results of imports; because, as is shown in the fossil record, horses went extinct in North America at the last ice age.

@@evilsharkey8954 I believe the matrilineal testing showed they are British Pony crossed with the earlier French imported riding and draft hybrids which became known as the "Canadian horse."

True, unlike what the lady claims…

Yeah, they were re-introduced to North America by the Spanish.

These horses are a genetically distinct breed that is believed to predate the introduction of European horses they almost went extinct due to intentional culling by the government and had to be smuggled from a Canadian first nations community to one just across the border where they essentially had to be kept in secret so they were not “discovered” until recently therefore not included in genetic testing to prove if any native breeds survived until recently. But yes all other known/tested horse breeds, or wild/feral horses in north america are descended from horses from outside North America.

@@amberafonso2903 believed? Canadian Horses have historical data to prove their lineage

@@karenneill9109Not just the Spanish. Genetic analysis of Canadian horses suggests French ancestry, specifically draft horses, which would explain their milder temperament. They were bred by the local tribes into a unique breed, one which was nearly driven to extinction by spectacularly awful policies by Canada. The last of them were almost killed in 1977! Even that recently, the government considered them valueless despite, and because of, their cultural importance to the Ojibwe. Disgusting!

They already diluted the breed, since the 4 mares were bred with Mustangs. There is undeniably inbreeding (confirmed by studies), which is unavoidable with such a small founder population. We'll just have to hope that the breeders do their ethical best to preserve the breed as much as possible, while not harming the horses.

That's because they're all European horses. There are no native North American horses. They went extinct during the last ice age. Every native horse tradition came from the europeans.

This coloration is called 'dun' and is believed to be the color pattern of Eurasian wild horses. It shows up in many modern horses too, sometimes with zebra-like dark stripes on the legs as well.

@@ToudaHellhi, this is a gentically distinct breed believed to predate European horses. Studies done saying all breeds alive in North America were descended if European horses did not include this breed as it was essentially being kept in secret until very recently due to the government trying to intentionally cull this breed due to there cultural significance to first nations people.

@@amberafonso2903Genetic studies indicate they are most closely related to French draft horses, and Louis the XV did send such horses to that region of the Americas. They were bred to their near current form by the indigenous people and are likely the first breed created in the Americas. They weren’t being exterminated purely to spite the locals. Europeans wiped out the ancestor of their own domestic horses over 100 years ago. It turns out the descendants of Europeans held just as little value of species and breeds that weren’t profitable to them. What’s extra disgusting is just how recently they were doing it to spirit horses. The last of them were slated to be killed in 1977! That’s recently enough to know better! Thank goodness for the people who saved them.

@amberafonso2903 I would really like to see that paper. Living members of a believed extinct species are always exciting finds.

No you're not mistaken. Horses are not indigenous to north America and were brought here by the Spanish. These ponies where likely selectively bred by natives.

You are correct on both counts and the Global reporter isn’t educated enough to realize fake claims when she hears them.

This breed has proven genetically distinct and evidence strongly suggests it predates European horses. The studies done on wild horses and horses kept by first nations in the states that proved they had European horse dna was not done on this breed as this breed had only a handful left until recently and was intentionally being culled by the canadian government so there was none to be tested at those times and there existence was being actively suppressed. Its true however that unless its descended from those few survivors or some other “undiscovered” or untested breed if you have a wild horse its descended from feral European horses

Horses went extinct in North America around 8000 to 11000 years ago. Current horse populations are descended from horses brought by Europeans. Horses traveled and were traded by natives across the continent faster than the Europeans which accounts for oral history of tribes encountering the animals before European contact. Some tribes claim to have pre-Columbian indigenous horses but archaeological evidence has not yielded evidence of this yet and neither has dna studies done by reputable sources, as it is the last equine species to go extinct in North America was Equus Lambei, a close relative of E. Caballus so if you were to claim that your horse is pre-Columbian indigenous because it has mtDNA of E. lambei you’re in for a surprise, the European horses have it too. Other claims of evidence such as dun factor markings being “proof” of pre-Columbian pedigree are simply ridiculous as dun and dun factor markings are natural to European and Asian horses as well. The U.S and Canada did round up andkill tribes horses and dogs as well as make it illegal to own them but that is not proof of pre-Columbian horse existence or domestication, many tribes have traditions of horses while others don’t so it seems odd that some tribes were so good at hiding them from the rest of us if they indeed had them. Cultures across America bred dogs for various uses, we bred hunting dogs, your average village dog, and we bred large boned strong malamute type dogs which we used as draft animals, we wouldn’t have done this if we had horses, and although scarce few actual indigenous breeds are left and it was illegal to have them, we have more factual evidence of their existence as well as other animals like Muscovy ducks and possibly even skunks that we domesticated than we do of pre-Columbian domesticated horses.

@@jmcg9822Best answer I’ve seen yet.

Why ? Because they destroy the fairy tale with actual facts?

The genetic studies on the breed indicate they are from European horses because the America's didn't have horses for 10000 years. But they are still a lovely breed with a significant heritage and should be protected.

​@@Peridot0000 Nonsense 🤣

Better revisit for the true history and shake off the mass psychosis of your books.

@@cynthusinfinite Are you the Keeper of the True History of Horses on Turtle Island; please indulge. I didn't get it from a book; Ai did the work on that for me. You'll need to check the historic record or start sharing your true history with the database of knowledge. It's really easy to call the things we don't like to hear as "untruthful", but to excuse the fact, w/o providing The Facts, is just negligence ... and part of the delusional mass psychosis where people's feelings outweigh Truth. Reminder, just because you say it or think it, doesn't make it true; don't care how you Feel about it.

@@cynthusinfinite Here's a timeline that includes points of historical evidence supporting the reintroduction and presence of horses in North America: - **Around 10,000 BCE**: **Extinction of Prehistoric Horses** - Evidence for the original horses' extinction in North America includes paleontological records of horse fossils that abruptly disappear around this time, alongside signs of significant climate changes and human expansion. - **1493**: **Reintroduction by Columbus** - Historical documents detail that Christopher Columbus brought horses on his second voyage to the Americas, aiming to equip the new settlements. This reintroduction is supported by early Spanish records and writings describing the cargo and livestock on these voyages. - **1519**: **Hernán Cortés and the Conquest of Mexico** - Cortés’s importation of horses to mainland North America is well-documented in Spanish accounts and letters. Horses played a crucial role in the Spanish conquest, with their impact vividly described in the chronicles of the time. - **16th Century**: **Spread of Horses in North America** - As the Spanish explored further, horses escaped or were traded, leading to their establishment in the wild. Archaeological finds of horse remains and European-style horse gear from this era across the Southwest support their widespread use and naturalization. - **17th Century**: **Expansion into Northern Territories** - Historical records from French and English settlers, as well as trading posts, indicate the presence and increasing importance of horses in what is now Canada. Indigenous oral histories and European paintings and journals from this time period reflect the growing integration of horses into Native cultures. - **18th Century**: **Indigenous Adoption and Cultural Integration** - By this century, horses had transformed Native American societies, particularly on the plains. The change in hunting, warfare, and transport is documented in numerous Native and European accounts, as well as in artistic depictions of mounted Native warriors. - **19th Century**: **Establishment of Wild Herds** - As European settlers expanded westward, horses became ubiquitous in Canada. The presence of wild herds in regions like Alberta is supported by both historical accounts of early settlers and travelers and by modern studies of the genetic makeup and living conditions of these feral populations. This timeline not only tracks the historical journey and impact of horses in North America but also underscores the evidence that supports each phase of their history. Please! If not the above, Set me straight on the "true history"

​@cynthusinfinite if you dont know about stuff....dont talk about it. How bout that?

@@Joe-by8jhno they weren't. european used them as war horses to butcher the natives.

Yeah, but that doesn’t mean the horses aren’t an important part of Native American culture. The horses filled in the niche left behind by extinct ice age equines, so they aren’t exactly harmful to the land either

@@averycheesypotato it’s just that they’re talking like it was here before the Spanish came. So, a few hundred years ago… not exactly ancient.

@@actuallyitisrocketscience there were horses in the Americas before the Spanish. Those were likely all wiped out, but they did certainly exist. Perhaps they even survived longer than we thought? To outright say that stories were made up or suggest that centuries of history are not worth taking seriously would be wrong

@@averycheesypotato just because the horse originally evolved in North America doesn’t mean the natives had them. Horses migrated over to Eurasia long before the human migration to the Americas. I don’t know what you’re trying to argue. The horses in the video are descended from French and Spanish breeds. Europeans and Asians are the original “horse people”, not native Americans. I don’t know why they want to attach so much of their culture to them. Their culture supposedly existed for thousands of years before horses entered the picture. Horses just aren’t Native American.

@@actuallyitisrocketscience the spanish horses didn't make it too far into canada. they're likely from french horses (le cheval canadien) and some english ponies. even northern plains 'mustangs' are more likely descendants of the canadian horse which is the oldest horse breed in north america. there's a wild herd out in b.c. and they were shocked to learn they're from the canadian with a bit of yakutian horse too (likely from russians in alaska).

Europe.

Plesippus

The native americans always had horses.They developed their own breeds from the wild, native pleistocene horses of America.These horses had unique genetic markers not found in European horses . The false narrative that the horses were acquired through Spanish ponies is a blatant lie perpetuated by the Christian ideology of the invading europeans to dehumanize the " Indians".A mentality that labeled them as " animals" and subhuman " savages".And the real injustice in all of this is the unrecognised extinction , via intentional extermination, of the american native wild horse; that numbered in the tens of thousands and fulfilled an ecological niche in the ecosystem. That too this day; because of lies begotten of racist stereotypes, the contemporary feral horses are seen as invasive and destructive rather then a natural species that belongs in the ecosystem thus making it better by its presence.

@@NoName-ic7ur source?

Horses used to range all across North America but were wiped out at the end of the Pleistocene

Scientists have already done it. These horses are European stock.

@@MsJellyBellyLove yes, agree! The only "true" wild horses (Przewalski's) currently residing in Asia/Russia have slight DNA admixture of modern domesticated horse. The modern "Tarpan" is also not a true wild horse. It is a recreated mixed breed.

​@@MsJellyBellyLove Nonsense 🤣

Especially not in the forests around the great lakes. Horses are grassland animals.

​@@paulsammon538 Oh fiddlesticks

@@paulsammon538 there are feral ponies in the appalachian mountains and the forest of Russia

How do you know?

@@NoName-ic7ur feral horses descended from European horses but no original horses. The natives hunted them to extinction and never learned to ride until Europeans came

Read "New Research Rewrites the History of American Horses" by Smithsonian

@@meganfisher831 Apparently, rewriting history has become something of a fad lately.

Every person on the North American continent is descended from people that migrated to it in ancient times. The land bridge that existed enabled movement from northern territories by land, and ocean travel brought other migrations from many directions. Animals also came over that bridge. Polar Bear......

@@meganfisher831 history is being rewritten every day now. Wake up

You did a better job on this story and a possible script for the video than a multi-million dollar news outlet that gets subsidized by the government.

Thank you. Here I have been making comments to fact-check people, when what you've said is exactly how I feel. I have zero disrespect toward the Native Americans, but I don't understand why a handful of people want to push a false narrative. Did these horses exist in some Native American lands before settlers arrived? The horses had already gotten to North America via the colonists, and the Native Americans distributed them via sophisticated trade networks, but because of those trade networks, horses likely reached many tribes decades or even a century or more before settlers approached their lands. So in that sense, oral history is not entirely wrong--but the horses aren't precolumbian. The fact that the breed is still surviving, and that it's been around for likely 300-400 years is pretty impressive, and, as you say, so is the ability of Native Americans to selectively breed an animal they had no prior experience with.