Raspberry PI 5 with Reaper, Surge XT and ZynAddSubFX - real world test with professional audio apps

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Three years ago, I did the same test on a #linux #raspberrypi 400, which failed at playing more than 4 notes on Surge XT #synthesizer . This video explores if it's possible to create a song using synth and production plugins and multiple audio tracks. There's a latency test as well using an "audio hat" and a USB sound card. The music in this video is here • Waves (A super duper Y... . This is a follow-up video, if you need step-by-step instructions, please watch my older videos on the topic.
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cmake --build ignore/sxt --config Release --parallel 8
sudo cmake --install ignore/sxt
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cd build/zyn-fusion-linux-64bit-3.0.7-release
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@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

For mobile users: Three years ago, I did the same test on a #linux #raspberrypi 400, which failed at playing more than 4 notes on Surge XT #synthesizer . This video explores if it's possible to create a song using synth and production plugins and multiple audio tracks. There's a latency test as well using an "audio hat" and a USB sound card. Music made in this video is here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Jl1ylW8yA8k.html . This is a follow-up video, if you need step-by-step instructions, please watch my older videos on the topic. Artists in this video: Xavier Radix www.youtube.com/@xavierradix ZAELI www.fiverr.com/elisabank The finished track is here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Jl1ylW8yA8k.html or floydsteinberg.bandcamp.com/track/waves Stuff shown in this video: Raspberry PI 5 amzn.to/3yfM1zV Touch screen amzn.to/3yniKmQ Hifiberry DAC+ADC amzn.to/4bxKLqh Reaper www.reaper.fm/ ZynAddSubFX github.com/zynaddsubfx/zyn-fusion-build/wiki/Building-on-Linux Surge XT github.com/surge-synthesizer/surge Build commands for Surge XT (May 2024) cmake -Bignore/sxt -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr -DSURGE_BUILD_LV2=TRUE cmake --build ignore/sxt --config Release --parallel 8 sudo cmake --install ignore/sxt Build commands for ZynAddSubFX (May 2024) make -f Makefile.linux.mk install_deps PARALLEL=1 make MODE=release -f Makefile.linux.mk all cd build/zyn-fusion-linux-64bit-3.0.7-release Sudo ./install-linux.sh

@Poulscath 2 месяца назад

There's a discussion on the Zynthian discourse about how SurgeXT is a really heavyweight synth that uses lots of CPU power. It might not be the best one for Pi based systems :)

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

@@Poulscath Yes, that plugin eats CPU cycles like there's no tomorrow. ;-) I wonder why that is, though. ZynAddSubFX is way less power hungry despite being quite complex. Even if the Surge XT team uses some super realistic hardware emulation, it shouldn't be _that_ taxing on hardware. (Perhaps I should look it up on their page ;-) )

@Myexpectationsarerealistic 2 месяца назад

Renoise

@wilcandou 2 месяца назад

Your brain is a crazy great muscle containing all that knowledge PLUS then knowing how to communicate this so we can understand things better. You are a gift!

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thanks!

@Val_Cla 2 месяца назад

this was really cool ! It's amazing how available music production is becoming ! Let's see how it continues :)

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

At this point in history, anyone who's willing to invest a little bit of time can build the most incredible things. The tech is readily available and the specs are impressive.

@PiselliPirelli Месяц назад

A serious aesthetic question from a.. listener: why then is pop music is now so much worse, so much more homogeneous than for example in the 70es? (e.g. chord progressions; but actually a whole aesthetic) Do you, as a musician, think the gratification from geekiness of the tech process takes over/hides/ makes the musician forget the gratification from creating beauty?

@mr_floydst Месяц назад

@@PiselliPirelli I think this is a discussion that largely depends on personal preferences and tastes. First of all, (if you were referring to my musical output in my YT videos ;-) ) - I don't consider myself an expert in anything, especially in music, and I see myself as a hobby musician. And you've come to a channel that focusses on geeky gadgets ;-) With that out of the way, here are my thoughts on the topic. 1) I think you're wording is a bit too general here. If you're turning on the mainstream radio, yes. It's hard to bear. But I'd argue that was the case in the 70s as well. You'd better be in the mood for some country pop kitsch before turning on your time machine! ;-) If you're willing to browse some playlists of genres you like, you'll find plenty of awesome new music (that admittedly has the disadvantage of not being connected to fond memories of the past, but give it some time) 2) I think geeky gadgets can be fun in themselves. It's a nice thing to spend your time with. Like 3D puzzles, but then you can make some sounds once you're done. The process of building and understanding them is rewarding in itself, and if you don't enjoy that, then it's not for you. I also think that new machinery or new instruments often provide new inspiration, but that's another discussion to be had ;-) 3) Complexity does not equal quality. If that was the case, for example Uriah Heeps "Lady in Black" should be considered a rubbish song. 2 chords? Leave me alone with that. ;-) But no! It's a timeless classic. It's an awesome song. And finally, I think my example music here wasn't that bad. At least Xavier and Zaeli did awesome jobs on the guitar and vocals (the finished track is here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Jl1ylW8yA8k.html and contains a lot of jazzy chords, layered vocal harmonies and stuff ;-) )

@PiselliPirelli Месяц назад

@@mr_floydst thank you for your considered answer. Food for thought. I get your point and your enjoyment of tech, but there are ALSO major structural = $$$ reasons for the current radio/pop music aesthetic: Spotify &co (and we) don't pay enough the little artists. The grassroot band is dead. The band with your school friends (in person, not remote collabs). The small town scrappy but potentially inspired band. I am saying Spotify &co are happy we're all "just little bedroom producers with our gear": they don't have to pay us. And... I actually quite liked your song, more than I was expecting! Thanks

@vision_thing 2 месяца назад

you are knocking it out of the park fella! nice work!

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thanks!

@2.Plus.2.Equals.5 2 месяца назад

Cool stuff. I was curious about some open source stuff with an RPi. Thanks for sharing.

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thanks for watching!

@screamengine 2 месяца назад

Very nice, Floyd! You've always got a nice groove! The Pi has come a long way for sure. But I do hope on the Pi6 they can get the power consumption under control. Though I guess that depends on the chip makers etc.

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thanks for watching! Yes, the PI5 somewhat misses the "high power computer with low power consumption for embedded builds" mark this time 'round. Though it's still way less power hungry than an Intel Chip like the N100, for example (which is a pretty good CPU for embedded systems despite its higher energy consumption)

@Curious_Skeptic 2 месяца назад

OK. This is impressive and cool.

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thanks for watching - glad you think so!

@patricklepoutre 2 месяца назад

Very nice track. Raspberry pi 5 cpu upgrade is just what we needed

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thank you very much! Yes indeed.

@rolandfrei226 2 месяца назад

Danke!

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Oh, vielen Dank! :-)

@AssabetStrings-xw3ms 2 месяца назад

A note on Zynthian Pi5 performance. Yesterday I fired up a configuration with 2 instances of Surge XT and 2 instances of ZynAddSubFX. I then put the sustain pedal down on my 37 note keyboard and latched 37 notes in to all 4 instances (different patch for each instance). No overruns and about 85% cpu usage. Not an exhaustive test as I don't know which are worst case patches on either synth but suggests pretty strong performance for the Pi5. Was also running each synth's UI in a VNC window. YMMV.

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thanks for your feedback - yes, it's quite powerful! There's a lot of headroom for audio projects.

@carl.wunsche 2 месяца назад

I love "Waves"!

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thank you very much!

@brianhall3586 2 месяца назад

A lot of useful tips - much appreciated 👍👍 I may yet make the switch to Linux for music 😎

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thank you very much! Don't switch to Linux or Raspberry PI in particular just for the sake of using Open Source. I'd recommend this only to people who enjoy the process of "tinkering" in itself ;-) For the things I show in this video, any old Laptop or Tablet is a much more approachable solution.

@brianhall3586 2 месяца назад

ah yes... Thank you... I already have a Pi that I use for various things but yeah... I know what you mean... it can be a pain getting things to work the way you want them to :-)

@desktorp 2 месяца назад

More conventional hardware will always outperform Raspberry Pi in this area. It's still cool and I wouldn't mind messing around with it, but not really cost effective compared with admittedly more boring solutions like a used laptop or modest, low-end PC build.

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Yes, this is true. This is for people who like tinkering with gadgets - I'd never advise to buy a PI specifically for producing music. (Unless you want to build a synth, but that's another story)

@TerenceKearns 2 месяца назад

Love ReaXcomp 👌

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Most of the Reaper plugins are really good, but this one deserves a special mention indeed.

@straighttalk2069 2 месяца назад

Great video as usual, however although I consider myself a music and technology enthusiast and nerd, I'm finding myself growing more and more pessimistic about my hobby. As an owner of a couple of Raspberry Pi's (that I run my own Juce applications on) Mac and PC laptops multiple analog and digital hardware synths as well as hardware samplers. I keep hearing voice's in my head that say why are you bothering with all that. Those voices belong to Suno and Udio. They will never make me give up my beloved hobby but they are slowing me down and making me less likely to do experiments like the one in this video.

@4mb127 2 месяца назад

AI is just another tool. The goal was never (for me, at least) to work as a DAW and synth patch technician. It was to express oneself and create beautiful music for everyone to enjoy. Why train piano when a computer always can play 100x better? Because it's fun and even other people like it if you get good at it.

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Don't let yourself get dragged down by AI music. Remember last year, when everyone was like "wow, these AI paintings look so good"? As usual, people learn quickly, and now that AI art style has already gotten stale and most people can spot it from a mile away. The same thing will happen to AI music once the initial hype has calmed down a little bit. No one can take away from you the fun and progression that making music (and building electronic gadgets, in this case) brings.

@Aeduo 2 месяца назад

The business of music has been a miserable, hopeless situation for ages. This will probably make it somewhat more difficult, but it's a difference between like 98.5% difficult and 99% difficult. There'll always be a place for human music, but maybe not so much outside of just a hobby and personal/cultural building. But this has mostly been the case for most musicians.

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

@@Aeduo Uh-oh, yes, I didn't see it from the perspective of freelance artists. You're right, a lot of people will jump to the cheaper alternative in the coming months - but I guess they'll be back in a year. I think AI's place will ultimately be for customers generating a concept of what they're searching for, which they'll then pass on to an actual artist, designer or musician. E.g. I've been using AI voices a lot on this channel, but if I feel a track is worthy of a real singer, I try to hire a real singer (if there's a budget)

@wiegraf9009 2 месяца назад

If it's a hobby! What does it matter what AI does? From my point of view the music is about expressing myself and I'll never get the same experience from using AI, no matter how polished the music is. If I was working in music production I'd feel very different but I never expected to make a living from music so I'm still where I was when I started years ago...

@MrMorbo83 2 месяца назад

Very Nice! Шикарно!

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thanks for watching!

@CristiBaciu 2 месяца назад

Great video mate. Do you have SoundCloud or another yt channel where we can listen to the final song composed in this video? ❤

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thanks! Yes, it's here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Jl1ylW8yA8k.html or floydsteinberg.bandcamp.com/track/waves , also on Apple Music and so on.

@ericscorpse 2 месяца назад

Awesome video sir! You should make the image available with everything already compiled for us less tech savvy followers 😂

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thanks for your input - I'll ponder it ;-)

@HN-lh9vs 2 месяца назад

Zynthian Oram running Bookworm on the Pi5 is reasonably stable now (but not officially "stable") and provides built-in support for a large number of synths and effects. I'm currently running it headless with a generic USB audio interface and a USB to midi converter. Got about $120 into all in. Worth checking out...

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thanks for pointing that out! I've already downloaded it and played around a bit, and I'll post a video soon!

@alexandrosroussos 2 месяца назад

What’s the box you are using to accommodate the 7 inch screen and the Raspberry with the audio hat ?

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

I didn't use a box at all ;-) I just moved the PI+Hat off-screen. A 3D printer is on the way, though, and once I've done my baby steps with that, I'll try to create some more "product-like" contraptions. ;-)

@rustyroy5385 2 месяца назад

How would you say this compares to just using a midi keyboard with a phone or iPad? I was thinking something like this might be useful to turn a midi only keyboard into one that is more fully featured. But my thought was if there was some way to do this without the screen and mouse, i.e. booting the RPi would auto load the DAW and a VST, then you'd be able to control the instrument selection and parameters from the Midi controls of the keyboard. So you wouldn't be able to actually record or sequence anything, but it would just turn the keyboard into one with 'built-in' audio.

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Sure thing, you can do that. On Windows, there are VST host applications you can set up to be controlled via MIDI (Hermann Seibs VST Host or Kushview Elements, for example) On Linux, there's Carla first and foremost (at least on PI) How does this compare to a phone? Well, you have more possibilites of developing hardware solutions (custom MIDI controllers and so on). Apart from that, a phone or tablet with your favourite DAW is propably the easiest and most reliable way to get results quickly. RasPi is for people who enjoy the process of tinkering with stuff by itself.

@MrPsanterIsBack 2 месяца назад

Very nice but why would I want to give up on my Windows rig with all its VSTs and sample libs? Are there any advantages to run everything on the Pi5 instead?

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thanks for watching! No, in that case, stay with Windows. You can install Windows on the PI5 (seen here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6oosN8jxzvQ.html) but I'd advise to just use a Windows Tablet if you're planning for a mobile setup.

@pprovost 2 месяца назад

Hey Floyd! Great video, as always. I was wondering if you would get better results by using a real-time preemptive kernel on the Pi. You can check by looking at the output of "uname -a" for SMP and PREEMPT. Sorry if you know about all this... Keep exploring!

@Aeduo 2 месяца назад

Pulseaudio is probably the major bottleneck here. If it's using systemd, you should be able to just disable the pulseaudio socket activation unit, that way applications won't be able to connect to the socket and pulseaudio won't start and hang on to the audio device. Of course, you'll have only ALSA so any applications which need pulseaudio will simply not function, but if this is the pi's dedicated purpose, this is probably fine, and the socket can always be reenabled. Likely with a reboot or at least relogin between disabling and enabling.

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Hi, thanks for watching! While using a realtime kernel will add chip away some precious milliseconds, the main culprit here is pulseaudio, in combination with the hifiberry drivers. I chose to show it this way because that's what you get if you don't put in a lot of work ;-) Reaper comes with its own audio setup which will solve most of the latency problems for you. But in this case, it didn't work with the Hifiberry card, unfortunately. I used a USB audio interface instead, which gave me around 10ms of latency, which is ok for me.

@unnamedXDUruvilo 2 месяца назад

I would like a setup like that to multitrack recording on a venue with a digital mixer. the recordings usualy last about 6 or 7 hours, do you think it can handle it ? I just record 4 or 6 tracks

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Good question! From a purely technical perspective, yes, most definitely, there's enough CPU power and RAM here. Question is if there are multichannel USB interfaces that are supported. I'll try my Zoom R20 and report back ;-)

@unnamedXDUruvilo 2 месяца назад

@@mr_floydst Its a midas m32 It should work ok on linux machines

@tziirkq 2 месяца назад

I'd be curious about this too. I use a Zoom R16 for live recording, which is perfect, but a plug-and-play boxed solution would be cool.

@GIDAEONGULLY 2 месяца назад

I just got reaper running on Winlator for android, could you suggest me some compatible plugins. I got Syrum to load, but the UI is skuffed.

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thanks for bringing this project to my attention - I've never tried it, so unfortunately, I can't provide help. Rule of thumb is, the older the plugin, the more likely it's to run with box86/64. I tried that in a PI some years ago and hat Valhalle Supermassive running correctly as an example, if I remember correctly.

@DommoDommo 2 месяца назад

Would this work with a microphone? I travel a lot and do voice work and reaper is way easier to edit in than on a phone

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Yes, you can use this with a microphone. Don't use an audio hat, though. I think a small handheld recorder that also works as a USB audio interface (Zoom, Tascam, ...) would be the best solution in that scenario. Or one of these small and cheap USB audio adapters.

@TechM3X 2 месяца назад

I'd like to see you compile the latest version of Ardour for use with the Raspberry PI and knock out a jam! 🙂

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Ardour is part of the Raspbian Repository and can be installed with two mouse clicks - I don't know if it's the latest version (most likely not), but compiling things often proves to be a rabbit hole of dependency checks that you definitely want to avoid if your life time is precious to you ;-)

@MichaelBarmaley 2 месяца назад

Were you able to run jack2 over alsa?

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

I wasn't able to with the HIFIBerry board, Jack seems to have a problem with that. Using a USB interface, it was no problem. Reaper provides it's own Jackd / ALSA interface, just choose it in the preferences and select the correct audio hardware.

@dreamstaticsounds 2 месяца назад

Did you happen to try Vital or any of its forks by chance?

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thanks for pointing it out - will give it a try!

@HenningSprang 2 месяца назад

have you tried using ubuntu as OS for Raspi? It should have pipewire…

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thanks for your feedback - I'll put it on my to-do-list! :-)

@alexandrosroussos 2 месяца назад

Thanks for the tutorial. Hopefully someone can make a generic sd image with everything already installed 😅

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Yeah well I could do that but now I've entered my serial number into Reaper ;-)

@alexandrosroussos 2 месяца назад

@@mr_floydst sure it should be generic with no licences and generic passwords. I don’t have the Pi5 yet, only a Pie3 but if I grab a 5 someday I will try. Could also be nice to make of a Dj controller a standalone one (with Mixx).

@Death_By_Media 2 месяца назад

I’d love to see how the DSP56300 project plugins perform on the Pi5

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thanks for pointing me at that! I'll give it a try.

@Death_By_Media 2 месяца назад

@@mr_floydst NoProb . Enjoy .Just keep the how to get rom on the DL if you do a vid as to not spoil it for the rest Good Sir . Cheers !

@Latvian3Dman 2 месяца назад

Sharing to Twitterino... ;-)

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

Thank you very much! That's the spirit we... wait, I already said that, didn't I? ;-)

@Latvian3Dman 2 месяца назад

@@mr_floydst ... ;-)

@ToyKeeper 2 месяца назад

Raspberry pi used to be an unbelievably cheap way to get a decent little computer. Now though, getting the latest model, with enough parts to function as a full computer, it ends up being bigger and more expensive than a low-end mini PC, and the PC has better performance and compatibility. I loved my pi 2, 3, and 400, but it's hard to recommend the 5.

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

They made some design missteps on the PI5 (the need for an active cooler, and removing the 3.5mm audio jack). The 4GB version is around $60 which seems to be a fair price for what's on offer, though.

@CatFish107 2 месяца назад

As somebody allergic to dealing with computer frustrations, I'd be happy to pay someone the cost delta between this hardware and a microfreak for the labor involved in setup and debugging.

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

If you know how to copy an image back to an SD card, I could provide you with a 1:1 copy of this setup (minus my Reaper Key, of course).

@PiselliPirelli Месяц назад

Would there be a version of that SD card compatible with a Pi 3B? (I can forgo the resource-heavy synth)

@mr_floydst Месяц назад

@@PiselliPirelli I could do that, but it will take some time. Just too much to do in my main job currently ;)

@pgrvloik 2 месяца назад

Audio on linux platforms is unfortunately a big pain in the arse... that's why I gave up using it for music.

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

That's because Linux is a mostly democratic system ;-) Several groups come up with what they think is a great idea, and then distros pick that up (or they don't). That's why we end up with Pulseaudio, Jack, Pipewire, Alsa, ... And now I can stream my Audio from my fridge to my Banana bread, but it only works when there's a full moon and Jupiter is opposite of Mercury or something.

@pgrvloik 2 месяца назад

@@mr_floydst I'm a linux profesionnal but I gave up KXStudio to switch back to Windows for my simple amateur musician needs. I'm a bass player.

@4mb127 2 месяца назад

What is this, A DAW for ants? ;)

@mr_floydst 2 месяца назад

It should be at least, like, three times the size! ;-)