Rat into Muff is more versatile. I rock my Rat into a Green Russian for fat rhythms. Keeping the gain of the Rat at about 10-11 o'clock I can switch off the Muff and slam the Rat with an SD1 for leads. Or just a tight metal tone that I prefer over the "modern" tone.
@@rodrigomarra2710 only way to know for sure is to try. I've seen people use the green ruasian, the NYC muff, opamp muff. The rat brings out the mids regardless.
Crazy. I just bought a Rat and have a Muff reissue sitting around. It hadn't even crossed my mind to throw these together, but I'm definitely going to see how this sounds in my setup. Thanks!
I came looking for it and I found it! I stuck that rat in front of a Beringer Super Fuzz today and burned my house to the fucking ground. When I get out of the hospital I'll stack it with my muff 🤘 Amazing video my dude.
Muff into the RAT is my setting; bout with less gain on the RAT. The fat and frying boost offered by the MUFF is really a bomb in the face when you turn on the MUFF
@@84kjk hey kev that's not a dumb question. One way to run effects in parallel is to plug the rat into the right channel and the muff into the left channel of a stereo effect (like a boss delay pedal) and then run that delay pedal in mono to the amp. The left and the right channels will be mixed mono with the stereo effects pedal. You can also get a mixer or an a/b box or a Boss LS2 or EHx tri parallel mixer and you might also have a parallel fx loop... See? Not a stupid question look at all this technobabble! The stereo into mono method has some drawbacks but it's a good way to investigate
@@GabeHelma agreed. I run smallsounds bigsounds Mini overdrive in front of a Boss LS-2 running the Rat/Muff in parallel. One channel of the LS-2 is overdrive into a Fuzz War, the other channel is overdrive into a Rat clone. Blend to taste. If I want a “cleaner” tone I can turn off one of the dirt pedals.
@@WeAsACompany pretty much! I have a Wampler Fuzztration which has some nice muff tones and a switchable placement octave up, so useful. currently running it after an sd-1 and before a ds-1/rat. i can get all shades of grit from a buzzy satisfaction fuzz to an hm-2 with this combo
i have a big muff op-amp pi and the averahe rat pedal. i keep the sustain on twelve o'clock and the tone super low, then kick on the rat full force. pretty average fuzz sound but the sustain can last for up to and more than 40 seconds, which is perfect for droning, doomy sounds.
Earthquakes Devices Life Pedal into JHS Crimson sounds so damn good. I always run an always on Xotic Super Sweet with the gain barely up as my last drive pedal too.
How convenient, today arrived my Mooer Dark Secret (super surprised by the awesome sound!) and I have two Big Muff clones/replicas on my board. Gonna have some fun with these three pedals. I really like Rat into Muff!
Just recently got the mooer dark secret. Have you noticed any problems with it when you push the gain past like 2 o-clock?? I returned it once and received a new one, still having that problem.
@@singularity360 no I didn‘t notice anything with my pedal. Could you describe the problem in detail? And also what guitar, pickups, amp, power supply, other pedals you‘re using. They‘re made in China and quality control isn‘t good so you could have received two lemons unfortunately.
Sweet video! I just started running my BM clone into a Rat clone, and I push both of those with a TS clone (I say clone, they're not clones, they're like... "boutique" takes on the circuits). I love the combo.
At least up to the 8 and a half minute mark, it Sounds more stoner with the Muff first, more grunge with the Rat first, and more doom with the Muff solo'ed. Everything just sounds heavy as f*** and stonery to me past that point.
I would say it depends, want a sharper attack Muff first..more sludgey sound Rat first. If you cant make up your mind and have an HX Stomp you can have it both ways pretty easily.
I checked this video to see how they stack, but honestly, I don't think I gain anything much by buying a Muff. I like my Rat by itself, or with an OD Glove.
Fuzz before distortion all the time imo I use my Danelectro fab fuzz before my Danelectro fab tone into my orange amp and I use an epi sg loaded with Wilde Bill Lawrence Xl500 bridge and l500 neck and I get doom to jazz tones
It's kinda odd and a bit crazy but personally, I'd like to see this setup (muff into rat and vice versa) in comparison to the DOD Carcosa. Then run in sequence then parallel. Any thoughts?
I run a rat into BM with BM sustain and tone all the way down, rat filter max high, rat volume 12-1.... gain noon some times 9 -10, amp treble is dimed but still not bright enough so i was thinking of getting an eq or a BM wicker to add highs...dilemma
How do you keep this quiet at high volume? I'm trying rat into muff combination for my band, whenever I kick the muff in there's massive signal interference. I'm playing through a tiny terror so have to have some amp gain to get the volume as only one channel. Would a noise gate after muff help out?
@Steven Gonzalez cheers Steven, tried batteries very similar. Will try and use separate power supply see if that's any good, it's giving me tone and weight I want just a pain In quieter section's etc I've ordered a noise gate and a behringer super fuzz to see if that could be a quieter option as I hear it works well after a rat
How'd it work out? I'm thinking about a super fuzz too, and know what you mean. Wondering too if a noise gate will work or just make it sound all spitty and like shit, you know?
It's the clean channel of the Orange Rockerverb 100 MKII with a standard 4x12 Orange cab with Celestion V30. The eq is: treble at one - middle between four and five - bass at almost at zero.
I've never understood the point of combining distortion/fuzz pedals. I mean I get boosting distortion with an overdrive pedal, but even then, I feel like pedals should be able to do what they do on their own.
This is senseless because, the Volume of RAT and Muff is cranked up so much, that the Preamp of the amp is overdriven. This is the reason, why the controls of the first pedal take nearly no effect to the tone. Make a new video with clean amp.
hitting the front of a driving amp with a drive pedal seems to be one of the hallmarks of doom/stoner tones, I think using a clean amp would be missing the point of the cideo
