Rating a Mourngul Haunter Doomstack 

This is my save :) So getting the heroes is not that hard cause you can establish pirate coves without cooldown after battle. You can build money building and replace with hero one when need and after getting the 18 heroes go back too money (probably not necessary at that stage). Its on turn 270 because of the trait(the last "D" took like 40 turns to get :( ) The skills on the heroes provide a lot of good stats. The lord trait also provide 20% physical resistance and weapon strength. It was not a disaster i also won it(normal battle difficulty), basically yolo cause they have self heal in melee My FPS went down aswell I did not use mods to get this prepared cause in you description you say you don't accept modded save files :p

It may not be the most practical! But...at when they charged around minute 8 they freaking mulched through 40 units like crazy

Legend and his struggle with WoD is like struggle between Malus and T'zarkan.

Legend you're on FIRE lately! Keep it up my dude A++!

"Call an ambulance, but not for me" is the motto of this doomdtack

currently playing cylostra myself, she gives them even more resistance with her skills.

Him: "Won't get this army till turn 200" Me: with 19 pirate coves increasing hero capacity.

The actually meaning of "D" is because their full name are mourngul D. Vampire and they are searching for the one piece

That is cool. I feel the mourngouls are very overlooked because of other cool units in the vampire coast rooster like the necrofex, but they are a very cool looking unit design wise.

Necrofex=no mournguls= YEEEEEEEEEEEES Said only this guy.

My most recent Count Noctilus playthrough made me realize both how awesome mournghoul hunters were and how impractical a doomstack of them would be. Glad someone took the time to put one together and send it in. I put a mournghoul hunter in each of my armies and it never went below like half health. Good for holding the line while putting down winds of death!

Tzarkan: Let's cheese this one Lege...I mean Malus: No! Im doing a fair army test!

I'm surprised how much Legend underestimated these guy. I don't play on very hard battle difficulty but i am not surprised that they fucking blended those Dark Elf armies, these guys are fucking terrifying.

Legend's Winds of Magic turned blue from holding all of those Wind of Death casts

The only disaster here is Legends framerate. That must be points deducted in practicallity, because many players don't have powerful PC's

11:28 Legend: 'Too bad you won't get this army till turn 200' Me with the mod Okoii uses for heroes: **Smiles menacingly**

I think my favorite part about these doomstack battles is when you find something that is a pleasant surprise. This was a lot of fun to watch.

Mourngul Haunter is THE best straight-up, non-caster melee hero in the game. They take practically no damage, they are relatively fast while slowing down opponents, they heal on their own and have high weapon strength on level 1.

8.0 one rookie score everyone knows the rules

I think you should be able to use Wind of death. The wizard is in the doomstack so no point not using his spells. If he had had the lore of fire, you would have used magic so i think this is unfair for the lore of vampires.

I would say that the doomstack is the whole army, including the mage with Winds of Death. It's just that you should use the whole army, wizard _and_ units/heroes, instead of only parts of it.

Submitter got the wrong "D" here. Mourngul Haunters can get Dread Incarnate. I just checked my Dreadfleet save file and I actually have some. So, this could easily be one of the strongest Doomstacks in the game. -76 enemy leadership, And Burke Black can use Doom and Darkness to take it to -92. And while you wouldn't be able to get it until late game due to the delay that trait-farming causes, it is *far more practical* than Legend thinks, because you can set up a pirate cove in the post-battle the same way you can sack a city. It's not hard at all to get 16 pirate coves.

if i may Legend, the spellcaster is there, he's part of the "doomstack", he should be used to its best ability

I'm actually pretty surprised at how effective this stack was. Hilariously impractical yes but... they absolutely mulched everything they touched

How can you not give this a 10/10 for that "cute" face alone. look at that smile.

Legend been cheesing so long he can't remember what using magic normally is

Honestly, this is where you see that Legend is clearly biaised towards High Elves : the Griffon Knights of Tor Gaval doomstack is arguably just as difficult to obtain as this Mourngul doomstack and yet Legend gave them a 10/10 (even thought of an 11/10.)

Every Mourngul building also gives you a Gunnery Wight, you could make a Gunnery Wight Dread Incarnate doomstack while you made this one. Or boost your other Necrofex doomstacks. So it's not as impractical when you think of it like that.

Glad to see this army preformed so well Mourngul Hunters are really good heroes, can tank for days and just shred though infantry

Tried this myself. Raising the hero cap wasn't that painful, since you can create pirate coves by basically raiding settlements. You just gotta be careful that you don't declare war on too many factions, if you want to do it quickly, that can backfire really quickly. The thing is as always the usual trait sniping. I had 7 disciplined guys at turn 55, which is probably quicker than average, but at this rate I'd still be at turn ~160 till this doomstack is finished, leveling excluded. It is surprisingly powerful, though. Those guys are tanky, tear through pretty much everything really quickly and kiting them is straight out impossible, really. Especially when the army losses kick in for the enemy, you can run them all down due to the stacking of the slow debuff. If you're in a dire need to kill as many enemiy troops as possible, this might be the best army in the game, to be honest. I'd say, if you want to conquer the whole map, go ahead and recruit this army, but for a simple campaign victory, this might take too long to recruit like any other trait specific hero doomstack.

Love the new playstyle of just testing it out there and tossing the units off of a cliff to see if they survive! Only the most spartan doomstacks shall rise!

Mourngul haunters have a ton of amazing one point skills.

One thing I do it note is the spell caster is a part of this stack. Not using its abilities is not making full use of the abilities of the army.

Holy moly, basically unable to get but jes that was hella strong

Hey man, they're Haunters, not Hunters. Y'know, like a haunted house?

So this is what Aragorn's ghost army would have looked like. Impressive!

This one surprised me, never thought they’d be that good lol

I am always happy when Legend reconsiders units, you can almost hear his mind pasteuring new ideas

In local news: 18 ghost boys destroy 40 Dark Elf elite units in under 5 minutes

the mourning this guys sanity doomstack

I know you don’t really read comments but I HIGHLY suggest you do your rated like you do with legendary lords where you have 3 aspects you grade them on. Battle ability- straight forward can you beat any army with this army, 10/10 Micro intensive- how much attention you actually have to use to win, so in this one I would say like a 9 since you only had to micro in order to save your hero’s but past that the army handled its self. Accessibility- so this would be how easy it actually is to build this army, something like this would be 2/10 because it would be hard to get all those hero’s but something like a colossus spam would be 10 because all you need is the last building and you can create them easily. Maybe you could have cost be put into accessibility but I think using 3 scales would be more helpful than giving a ranking based on so many different factors. But I know you will do what you want because it’s your channel but I enjoy the content and appreciate the time you put into it!

re: rotting promethean mounts. I like 'em sometimes because their mass makes 'em harder to roll over by other guys with mounts. And they have a lot more armor. what I don't like is that they typically reduce melee attack and defense quite a bit. i sometimes grab the mount at level 40.

LegendofTotalWar, I wouldn't ordinarily suggest this to you but your statement at the beginning of the video about wishing people would heal their stacks first made me do it. You should seriously consider getting SaveParser for warhammer games so that you can do EXACTLY that for a proper test of these rare and difficult to compile doomstacks.

You gave Knights of Tor Gaval 10/10 and they are also hard to make and you only mentioned that but didn't take any points away for it.

Lol 11:40 the one guy just getting eaten and thrown around

I actually think the pirate coves wouldn't be that hard to get, and sure the trait farming will take some time but disciplined isn't very rare, and another thing to consider is that the army could be made immortal and once that's done, your investment in it will never go away. Once the army is immortal the capacity doesn't matter anymore and you can use those coves for other stuff like money, making this army even cheaper in terms of financial liability.

Vampires cannot... Die so those curses working forever in the active battlefield feels more like a feature 😂😂😂⚒️

This makes me wonder about a vampire captain doomstack, which is... possibly even less practical, depending on how many major port settlements you have? but vampire captains have better melee attack and defense as well as taunt/hornswaggle which is an excellent button to push. And magic.

Awsome series, best of TW:WH2 content. Keep it up!

A general rule of thumb; Longer the video, harder the battle, weaker the Doomstack.

these guys need a pirate hat or an eyepatch to be considered pirates

Never had a whole stack but I've always found mourngul haunters to be very powerful.

Really great battle, surprised at how much the mornghouls shreded for future reference though I think it would have been alright to use a wind of death here and there. The mage is still part of the army so it only makes sense to use it to it’s full potential (likewise you should be using the units to their full potential instead of only focusing on the mage aspect) Perfectly balanced as all things should be.

Personally I think hero spam armies are way easier with Coast than a lot of other dactions because its so easy to get hero capacity buildings everywhere.

As a vc main I have always held the opinion that mourn haunters are amazingly underrated units. But as you mentioned... getting them in any useful amount is an unpleasant pain in the rear. That said they can be struck by friendly magic making them amazing anchors for blobbing the enemy up at the gate be if for attack or defense.

half-zombies from half-life mulch entire medieval fantasy army from a parallel universe connected to the zen

On my first Vampire Coast campaign I had 1-2 Haunters per army because it is so easy to get their resistances up....they can tank infantry etc like crazy and deal dmg. Vanguard+Stalk meant going after artillery as well and being able to get out. The normal Mournghul unit sucks but Haunters are quite nice to hold the line. Especially as the other heroes for the Vampire coast are really not that good at it... Of course putting them all in one army is such a waste. The above is the reason why I was surprised when legend at some point said that he thought Mournghul Haunters were a bad hero

The magic user is part of the stack and magic should be used. The only issue is when only magic is used and the stack is irrelevant.

classic dark elf one settlement and 20 armies in the lategame. i guess its because of the admirals having free armies for the AI?

These guys were incredibly good. This is amazing.

This was the biggest surprise doomstack for me, when I looked at the 3 legendary lords 4 full stacks I was like "there is no way he will win this".

Black Ark and Vampire Ship both bombarding the battlefield was hilarious

when the fighting started and those clouds appeared all i can think of is : CAN'T SEE SHIT CAPTAIN!"

Always been a fan of mourguls and its good to see how a stack of them perform. I will say that a whole stack seems excessive as you only need 2 or 3 in an army to assasinate key enemy units. Vampire coast factions have other units that can perform more efficiently.

I think you should be more consistent in your spell casting usage in your rate your doomstack videos. In some battles you use a ton of magic in others you barely use any. I get that you want to test the units themselves but the stacks do include mages(as you keep saying they're a must in any serious doomstack) and since they are included they need to be used. I get that you don't want the winds of death to just win the battle as that would basically be the same as Skelly spam, however if that's your stance than the other doomstacks should also refrain from spamming damage spells to get most of the kills. For example the Treemen stack which as you said yourself relies on the life wizards to deal most of the damage, so why rely so heavily on magic there but not here? There simply needs to be more consistency, 1 way or the other. Speaking of consistency, you should also set unit scale to whichever, knowing you it'll be ultra, for all battles as comparing a doomstack on large and ultra will give different results as you keep mentioning in your videos. P.S this stack isn't actually that hard to get, well not with perfect traits that is, as you can get pirate coves via combat so go on a rampage, sack every settlement than spawn pirate cove and move onto the next one. Get the +1 hero building, recruit the heroes than destroy the building and get the money one instead. Still not as easy as simply recruiting the stack but not nearly as difficult as it initially seems.

Did not expect it to be THAT good

I didn't realise how bloody big they were until they went up against the chariots

12 pirate coves is a lot, but every VC hero type has a viable doomstack, so you can get more out of those 12 settlements than most other minor settlements

you could techically get this army a bit earlier if you only go for mourngul haunters from the free hero event that happens sometimes, but it doesnt happen that often

In this battle, Legend discovers why Mourngul Haunters are so difficult to recruit.

I think getting pirate coves is easy as you progress, get the money building then replace it with hero boost buildings.

So I guess the upkeep for each of them isn't actually 250 (or whatever the exact value is). The actual upkeep is 250 + any money that a pirate cove could make instead of increasing hero capacity.

Adding a few guns and a Queen Bess to this makes it better. People so obsessed with going all the same unit for no good reason.

'Exploits?!?! Denied! Old ass bugs?!? Nah, we leave them alone!' - CA, probably

That horde of useless dark elf generals on the campaign map at the end XD

Dem frames, I think you can count them on your hands. Like a damn slideshow with all those effects. Just as well it’s noob friendly. I don’t think you play on a potato and it was running so slow you couldn’t have microd if you wanted.

*LegendTotalWar Video titles in a few years be like:* "Rating your disaster doomstack battle campaign and knuckles featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series"

Hey Legend, I don’t mean to be a pain but could you do a legendary lord comparison for the Lizardmen? I’m not that experienced in the game but they are my favorite, I just don’t know which one to play or really how to adjust play style for each lord. Love your content, thank you!

The first time I jump from normal difficulty to very hard I play Vampire Coast campaign. By turns 100 I have all of Ulthun and about 30 pirate cove. It wouldn’t be hard for me to change money building to hero building for 20 turns if I don’t care about discipline trait. The campaign is pretty much won anyway at that point tho.

an army of WACKY INFLATABLE ARM FLAILING TUBE MEN

So those are amazing melee fights, nice!

Seems a bit arbitrary when you decide to use the wizard or not, given your previous explanation, you said that if there's a wizard in the army, it's meant to be used, so why not thin out the herd using wind of death?

the only micro is making sure the haunters are actually in combat to keep healing

When you wanted Gengars but only got Haunters

If you combine this with the cheese for getting tons of pirate coves then you're all set.

This is the most powerful doomstack ever imo. Yeah hard to get but we are not discussing it. 4 extremely powerful armies with legendary lords which can win against most of the 10/10 armies got recked with ez.

2 things to consider The "D" are anti infantry and are a hero unit. Dark eleves fight with majority infantry that have anti large traits which is useless because the game doesnt consider "D" a large unit in my humble opinion

Damn, just about to built it (ultra scale and very hard of course)... though I was not about to only put Mornguls in it. Maybe something like 10-12 and the rest with other heroes or missile infantry. In combination with missiles and artillery, mornguls are pretty good tankers...

I really hope by WHIII they fix the framerate drops from too much melee combat. Khorne armies will suffer otherwise. I always struggled making good use of mournguls way back when I played VC. Glad to see that with the right buffs and leveled up they can perform really well.

Id say if the person put a wind of death wizard in use it, its made to use it while the hunters are being a line holder

its good but you know what would make it even better a big old bloody wind of death its very satisfying to do and legend is the best at it

Okoii will know what to do next ;D

Anyone else ever make a plagueclaw catapult doomstack as moors, because you were bored with the normal armys?

Mournguls are awesome.

my favourite thing about vampire counts is the south african accent voice lines.

its reassuring that i'm not the only one with frame drops with a powerful rig

First ! Thank you Legend for your continuous humor-based reviews during this clusterfuck COVID !

there pretty strong animation wise too, i wuddent be surprised if archers were hitting there own troops. its like trying to hit a stunned phenoix thats in the air, its so excesisvely animated you cant shoot it

FPS Blight, the doom stack.

Even Krell would be impressed