JUnbox, thanks for the video on your RAV 4 Prime. My wife and I purchased our 2022 RAV 4 Prime model SE, 3 weeks ago and the dealer filled our gas tank. We are approaching 1,000 miles. Since then w filled up once with 4 gallons and now the fuel gauge indicator needle is between 3/4 and 1/2 mark which I would expect would take 6 gallons to refill, gauge states 341 miles of HV range. When gas tank was filled it stated 561 miles of HV range. We have taken 2 trips to Portland Oregon as we live on the N/W Oregon Coast as at least 160 -170 miles or so of the of the nearly 200 mile round trip we ran on the gas engine. My wife's has a 32-36 mile round trip commute to her business. She normally arrives home with at least 2-10 miles of range left depending on weather and which road she takes. Here in the Spring in Oregon we have a lot of rain and temps. range from low 40's to upper 50's this time of year. We have a 240 Volt charger and when fully charge the dash indicates 44 miles to the highest 50 miles of EV range. Just on the gas engine with a depleted battery 36-40+ mpg appears what we are currently achieving and I anticipate will go even higher into the 40+ MPG range with warmer weather and driving on rural roads with the speeds of 25-60 MPH. With regular gas at $4.50 a gallon and electric rates here with all taxes and charges delivered is 11 cent per KWH. I feel confident we made a wise choice in our RAV 4 Prime purchase as we paid MSRP and not a penny more and no dealer add on's. Also in Oregon we get a $2,500 electric vehicle rebate and a $7,500 Federal Tax Credit which we qualify for. In closing the only problem with the RAV 4 Prime is availability with available units having $5,000 to $10,000 dealer markup added to the MSRP. Our dealer does not engage in that practice, and sells at only MSRP on the Factory invoice paper stuck on the window.
You got a great deal. Holy crap your electricity is almost 1/4 the price of ours. Congrats!!! We're getting the 7500 fed rebate + 1500 total from CA (500 at sale, 1000 after). I would love to travel up the Oregon coast with my son in the Prime. I have a good friend that moved to Coos Bay awhile back to get out of the hustle in the SF Bay area and he loves it.
I am a Prime owner and the EV distance is what you indicated… an estimate based on driving style and temperature. If you look at the left hand dash dial you will see Power, Eco, and Charge. I discovered that if you stay in Charge for any period of time it will actually add miles - that may be why when you drive 5 (slow) miles and lose only 2 miles, driving style did it. Similarly if you drive in the Power range on the Highway your estimated range will decrease dramatically. Good video.
I agree! Braking isn't smooth like a regular gas car. BUT...you should feel the brakes on my friend's Tesla it's a nightmare. He can't get it fixed either cuz of parts shortage and hard to get serviced LOL
Picked up my SE about a week ago same configuration as yours but white. Loving it for the reasons you outlined. Getting right around 40 in EV, I'm in the NE and still cold. Its been gradually going up since first charge just as you noticed as well. The SE with the weather/moonroof is the ideal car for me. I had a 21 Prius Prime limited, i found many of the features annoying rather than useful. The R4P has the right balance for what I was looking for. I also drive in ECO which has plenty of power. It is nice to have all that extra power as well if needed.
More REGEN BRAKING: Do you have an "+ S -" next to your "D" on your gear stick? Just push the stick sidewise into "S" position and you will immediately have more regen braking 😀 Update: You do! 20:46 If you want even more regen push the gearstick towards you into "-" position and let go. To reduce regen, kick it towards "+". You will see S1...S6 on the dash according to the "gear" you are in. S1 provides maximum regen braking. I found that, unlike real gearbox, this only affects braking and makes almost no difference for cruising or acceleration.
@@junbox618 Cool! I like your analytical approach so I am looking forward to your testing this in detail. My commutes are too short and flat so I don't use S mode enough for exhaustive analysis. Glad to help!
@@holmesjustholmes9412 I'll try to post up a new video on it. It's not super convenient because sliding the shifter to S takes it to S4 which has slightly more regen, but tapping down to S2 or S1 is where its at. I wish the prime would go straight to S2 and you can ALMOST one pedal drive it. Getting off the freeway at 70-75mph will net 150wh of Regen = roughly 0.45mile of EV range. And kinda common sense - dropping it down to S in Hybrid will only make the CVT rev higher - no additional regen.
I tend to just keep one hand on the wheel and let it steer itself. Then I get in our Sequoia and I realize I need to steer lol takes a minute to adjust
Since the Rav4 prime is a 4300lb vehicle...a full tank of gas at 100lbs isn't significant. With 4 passengers I haven't seen an MPG penalty - at 70mph freeway on hybrid mode I routinely see 42mpg whether driving alone or with the whole family. We fill it up like a normal car.
My wife programed the garage door opener to work with the button on the rear view mirror, she said it was easy. P.S. I also own a mustang G,T. and this prime is almost as fast off the line!!!
Yup you'll see the EV range go down from 1mile to 0mile, then soon after you hear the gas motor kick on and it's hybrid mode. While in hybrid mode, if I have a long downhill, it can even gain a mile of EV range and it'll switch back to EV
I just got a R4P and it’s telling me about 37 e-range. Did you do anything to improve it up to 50 miles or do you think it progresses up to higher ranges? Are you fully charging the battery each time? Just want to make sure I’m not doing something wrong. Are you in Eco mode also? Thank you!
@@junbox618 great thanks. I live in SoCal also so weather is good, hoping the range starts to improve. I will turn off a/c to see if that helps. I was also told to only keep a half tank of gas (full tank is unnecessary weight and avoids having old gas) so I’m trying to drive hybrid mode to get that down. Thanks for the tip!
@@candid9100 Yea the e-range estimate adjusts with each charge. Ours initially said 37 too, but it slowly went up with each charge cycle and for the last couple months pegged at 50. Freeway speeds and AC or heater kill the range. Local driving in the 45-50mph with no AC/heater is super efficient. We're not too worried about the range, but it's fun to see how much we can get out of it.
It's funny you ask. I'm on a waitlist for the bz4x too, just to have the option. My wife really likes the Prime now and says she doesn't want the full EV. I'm #70 in line for the bz4x at Longo Toyota. If I can get one before the rebate gets cut, I might buy one just for fun (although I don't commute to work anymore)
I find the weather and speed make the biggest difference. If I go straight to the freeway and hit 75mph, I'm going to get barely 30-35 miles out of it. If I'm driving stop and go 40mph-ish in warm (not hot) weather I can squeeze out 45 miles without trying. I did experiment a bit with using the S4, S3, S2 modes and I can squeeze out an extra 3-5 miles on each charge, but it's not really convenient and I'd rather not feel like I'm playing a video game all the time. When I have a chance I think I'll make a video of the process. I showed my wife what I did to extend the range and she just said "NOPE" not going to do it.
I just got a R4P and it’s telling me about 37 e-range. Did you do anything to improve it up to 50 miles or do you think it progresses up to higher ranges? Are you fully charging the battery each time? Just want to make sure I’m not doing something wrong. Thank you!
Totally off topic but I loved your son's first orchestra performance. My son's going into 3rd grade and I can't WAIT for him to start band in 5th. I want that first performance video too. He's progressing well with piano lessons and I'm hoping he follows in mom and dad's footsteps in playing the sax. So much anticipation - already got my son and daughter their first saxes to learn on and some pro saxes to move up to in highschool. This weekend I cracked open all the saxes for them and told them "this is your future"...my son said "I wanna play trumpet" and I said "I think you wanna play sax..." LOL
Yes - I have a 12 mile trip for shopping with a choice of interstate or secondary main road (45 MPH). Slower by only a few minutes, less traffic, much better mileage, and a less stressful ride. I also coast down steep hills and am very light on the accelerator when taking off from a stop. The 52 miles (now) is also helped by warm temps. Finally, the hill leading to my home is a 15% steep grade for 1/4 mile and I always put it in the HV mode for that little bit. I am over and done with the torque and quickness of the car; there when I need it but destroys mileage.
@@cc103acs hahaha that's awesome! I just drive and don't really think about it. It's always gonna be more efficient than my Toyota Sequoia 12MPG LOL. I love the Sequoia though - what a simple and perfect camping truck
It's hard to tell because we got a pool and I work from home full time so year over year change is a bad comparison. But our electric bill is definitely UP.
The "Gauge" that tell you your EV or HV miles is generically called a "Guess-o Meter." It's seldom accurate. We use the trip odometer. Every time we fill up the car with gasoline, we reset the odometer to zero. Next time we fill up, we divide the miles driven from the odometer by the number of gallons we add to the car, then reset to zero again. We average 74 mpg for combined EV and HV driving. If most of your driving is in EV mode (like the default when you start the car and staying in ECO mode), You could average up to 94 mpg. We're very happy with our numbers. It seems the key to raising mpg is using a gentle foot on the accelerator, coasting to a stop, leaving the A/C button off and keeping the fan speed low. Terrific car!
If you don’t mind me asking, how much did you pay for your car ? I’ve been checking online and a lot of them are going for 55k+ how does that make sense ? I got my wife a es300h for 38k and she gets 35mpg and with that 17k difference it would cover ~ 175k miles of driving or pretty much 10 years of use.
Longo Toyota in California sells at MSRP but their wait-list got too long and I heard they closed it off. After tax rebates I paid ~$35K brand new. It was basically the price of a hybrid rav4 and made it a great deal. $55K is ridiculous. We have a dealer in town asking $65K for theirs - scumbags.
Yup every car Longo sells is at MSRP! They have a strict no markup policy, but can end up with long wait times. My local scumbag dealer was marking up RAV4 Primes $25K! So I flew down to Long Beach, took an Uber to Longo and drove the Prime home.
I have about 1300 miles on my car. I’ve put gas in it once in 3 months and have a half tank left. I am consistently getting 48 to 53 miles on a charge - no air conditioning or heater, and no freeway driving. If I drive at highway speeds until the battery is down to 0, I get 41 miles out of the charge. This is my 5th hybrid and I always try to get the most miles out of my cars. The first couple of charges were about 37 miles, but as the car learned my driving habits it always gives me at least 50 miles on a charge now. I set trip meter b every time I charge, so I know exactly how many miles I get. I don’t commute. I keep track of how many kWh I use and then check the PG&E website for how much it cost and then calculate how much it costs for 100 miles (incudes any gas I use). I’m paying about $7.75 for 100 miles. Electric rates in CA are insane, so if the gas wasn’t as expensive as it is right now, driving an EV doesn’t save you much when you charge at home. Driving a Prius would be more economical than an EV. When you’re retired or you brain is wired like mine, playing with these numbers is fun. I don’t recommend doing this for most drivers. ;-)
I'm thinking about getting one but I also do want the new GR86...having trouble deciding if I should just go for the rav4 prime. I rarely drive on any back roads and I mainly just drive to and from work or school or the store. The most I ever do now are basically chucking the car into turns or on a freeway on ramp. Any opinions from you considering you have a Z3?
I almost ordered a GR86. I think it's a fantastic car having owned an S2000 years ago, but I don't really have the time to enjoy it. Rav4 Prime is fast and has a lot of power, but it's not any fun to drive, so keep that in mind. I can stomp on it and let all 300hp loose, but it's not exciting and the drone of the CVT really sounds crap. I ended up selling my Z3 because my kids didn't like riding a convertible. Still trying to decide if I want to replace it with something fun. I'm toying with the idea of getting a lifted GX 470.
Hey JUnbox, been following your channel since the delivery video. Do you have any regrets not going XSE? Keep up the great PRIME content. PS: For your crossbars, try this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-caGCLkke3kI.html
Dude thanks haha. I wouldn't mind a base XSE but they mostly have PP with bloated MSRP. I prefer the cloth seats and softer riding 18in wheels. The main reason I picked the SE was because the wait list for XSE is way longer. But lately Toyota hasn't been producing SEs, so it seems the XSE is the list to get on. I daily drove a Honda S2000 CR with no AC for 4 years, including in 110 degree summers...so the Prime is a luxury loaded vehicle. LOL I'm gonna try that Paracord mod thanks for sharing it with me. LOL
I don't know if I want to bother taking it in for a 6mo service because we probably have under 500 miles with the engine on. LOL. How often have your had your Prime in for service? I typically maintain all our cars at home and haven't used a dealership in over 10 years
@@junbox618 Since it comes with Toyota care, I was taking it to my dealer every 5000 miles. The dealership is literally 5 miles from my office. Since it was in at about 25,000 and they did the oil change and a few other items, I probably wont take it in until 40,000/45,000 miles. The Toyota dealership I purchased my Prime from has lifetime unlimited oil changes. So I take advantage of that! I might use a tank of gas per month tops, so there isn't too many miles on the engine. I have the extended warrantee on my RAV4 Prime until 125,000 miles, so I think I should be good if anything comes up. In the meantime, I can change any filters on my own (cabin and air filter).
@@AveiroDan I didn't bother with extended warranty. Let's see if I regret it down the road LOL. I think oil change interval 5K with gas motor on is probably still excessive considering we're running synthetic. And that will take us at least 20K miles (combined EV + HV modes)
Longo Toyota is the largest dealer in California (if not the word) and all cars are sold at MSRP. I was wait listed September 2021 and got our prime February 2022. Their waitlist is so long that they stopped taking reservations.
Your hybrid will do just fine, the price difference between the XSE prime vs hybrid is around $8000+tax+interest (85% of car buyer leased or finance their cars). So the saving of $9200 / $3.5 per gallon you will be getting 2600 gallons of gas, assuming 35MPG, you are really getting 90K miles worth of gas. The only thing you give up is acceleration.
I own a 2021 Rav4 Prime XSE I'm only getting no more than 435 to 400 miles at full tank. I have reset the trip odometer numorouse times and it reads about the same as the tank. I told the dealer about the fuel issue they told !e it depends on how you drive which I know is a bunch of BS. I know the RAV4 has had issues with the tank and there was a recall I just can't believe it is an issues for so e owners.
The "reserve" tank is huge. You can drive 100 miles with the gas light on no problem...from what I've read. We drive mostly EV so the range isn't tested much
