RAVEN Cannons - Future Tank Weaponry 

I tried to slow my voice down a bit for this one, so hopefully I'm a bit easier to understand. If you have any constructive criticism I'd be glad to hear it.

I’m very disappointed I thought it was gunna be a cannon that fires ravens

Here's the new acronym: RAWAG.

just call it the RAW gun, or was that too on the nose for them? Also, ETERNAL HYPE.

6:57 "YOU'RE HUGE! That means you have huge mechanical issues! RIP AND TEAR! Rip and tear your transmission!" -Spookston

6:56 "I'll see you in the next one" Spookston: Shows a picture of a mech Me(A Gundam fan): "Ah shit, here we go again."

Talk about the unmanned tanks they sound nice

Good music choice, hail the omnissiah

Oh shit.... at the end, is that the tease for Doom Eternal vehicle?! The moment I played the game and saw the schematic, I knew exactly you would make an analysis vid about it!

Called it, the Rarefaction Wave Gun

"We don't want another M-16 situation on our hands." The M-16s jamming problem came about because troops were provided with ammunition that didn't reach the correct pressure requirements. This made the weapon jam when it was just BARELY dirty. It didn't jam because people didn't clean it. Edit: I had incorrect information. The Powder used during Vietnam (Ball Powder) had greater pressure and burned slower. When the powder was changed it went from firing 750ish rpm, to 1,000 rpm, which wore the guns out faster. The powder burned slower which ment it was still burning when the bolt was opening, this caused it to foul more quickly. Troops were also told the gun would rarely ever need to be cleaned, & there was a shortage of cleaning supplies for the weapon to boot.

Displays: Bazooka Trapezoid (M50 Ontos) Why not deal with this another way.... vent the gas forward on a missile launcher? ah la, Sturmtiger?

okay two things: First as far as I know early recoilless rifles were a developed as anti tank weapons in the interwar period (between WW1 and WW2) because they allow for heavier projectiles and heavier propellant loads, without makeing the weapon to heavy to be man portable. But that could just be an alternative interpretation of information. Secondly while watching this I got an interessting idea: Should the canon be ale to with stand it and the recoil absorbtion be felxible enough a RAVEN canon could use a variable delay on the opening of the breach vent to change the muzzel velocity in correspondence to the used projectile or the prefered fireing arc. This could with the cannon being mounted the right way and specialised ammonition allow for things like indirect fire or allow air burst ammonition a bigger degree of flexebility of when it bursts as now another variable can be changed, not only the time after fire but also the speed at which the projectile travels. Naturally this all depends on the tollerances in the system.

"Armor is overrated" you say as a King Tiger's eats 5 of your M50's rounds. This post made by heavy tank gang

5:12 *Terminator Theme Intensifies* Could be called "Tank Terminators" instead of "Mini Tank Destroyer"

"Thus I drive my tank to war Fire the Raven Nevermore"

The Karl Gustiave recoiless rifle has seen a resurgence in recent years and many countries are adopting it again including some US ground forces. It's being used more for it's battle field utility than for any kind of anti vehicle role though stuff like laying down smoke, launching flairs, hiting soft targets like buildings or walls with HE rounds, things like that.

One of the major differences between more traditional recoilless systems and these RAVEN systems is the weight. Recoilless guns can get away with being made lighter because a significant portion of the expansion stress is negated by the open vent. This in turn allows the weapons to be mounted on lighter platforms or carried by infantry. The RAVEN weapons breech and barrel need to be sturdy enough to withstand the entirety of the expansion pressure, and do so until the system cycles enough to open the vents. This leaves these components needing to be almost as resilient as more traditional cannons, which in turn leaves them weighing a comparable amount.

Did 6 rounds ghost shell at the same time ? 1:48

I saw a really great concept being studied in the 1980s of using liquid propellants. Either single liquid (monogol) or dual (duogol). The advantages are many: The liquid tanks can be fitted conformally and be any shape for better volumetric efficiency and a liquid will have a longer and cleaner burn accelerating the round more linearly. More muzzle velocity too. But I've never heard anything come of it.

I am glad to hear you are once more properly venerating the machine spirits with the tunes of the Omnissiah.

I’m curious to how you have so much knowledge about tanks and tank like systems, no offense I just find it fascinating

Praise the Omnissiah.

I didn't know this type of cannon existed even though it sounds obvious now that you mention it. Thanks for sharing!

Never heard of the RAVEN cannon before. Very interesting and informative. I like your presentation as well. The more you do this, the better your pacing and delivery will get. Keep 'em coming!!!

Really liked your vids on the RAVEN, CLG, and ETC guns. Thank you for making these!

Love the mechanicus music in the background, fits with experimental/new tech lol

I'll be honest, I subbed because of the "Historically Accurate" series. However, all these future weapons vids, and tank analysis vids are really neat and we'll done. You definitely bring a lot to the table when it comes to your channel. Now you just gotta get really well versed in aircraft ;)

Never heard of these before! Super interesting video!

Always nice to see your videos in my reccomended

This music choice pleases The Omnisiah

I like how you put in Noosphere in the background. I didn't even hear it over your voice until the track intensified.

Great video! I always wanted to knew more about them.

Great stuff, Keep it coming sir.

nice informative video. I never knew guns like this exist.

Awesome stuff mate. Subscribed

Can you make a video about the vehicle design in Deserts of Kharak?

I worked in armor and explosives development some years ago ,and am very interested in the Raven technology. I worked on armored vehicles and explosives suppression in the Middle East. I was considering an application with 90 mm recoilless rifles, but I am very keen on seeing the RAVEN weapon developed for a future project. Thanks very much for the program.

Either I’ve been smoking too much weed lately or you are just really spitting knowledge at a breakneck pace. But never ever dumb down the videos, I love how thorough these are

RAVEN reminded me instantly of the WW2 German development of the high-low pressure gun, most notably used on the 8 cm PAW 600. The operations of the guns are different, but the achieve a very similar result - a lightweight gun that has low recoil but much higher muzzle velocity than a recoilless rifle.

1:24 oh look it my me and my friend

About the fouled up part, RAVEN cannons can still foul up significantly from where the exhaust gases are vented. As for the costs. It's not only that the system costs more overall because of its complexity, but also the afformentioned need for special turrets for the RAVEN cannons to be used. This means that RAVEN cannons have the issue of modularity for a lot of existing vehicles since mounting RAVEN cannons means the hull it's mounted on needs to be reinforced to withstand the mentioned backblast

I almost usually prefered recoiless rifles over rockets and missiles, mostly in that their shell costed like a fraction of that of a ATGM It's nice to hear of this technology

thanks for the video. I'd also like if you make a video about drone vehicles as you mentioned then briefly :)

recommendations brought me here. great music choice!

Can you also do a video on the ground base vehicles in Star Wars Empire at War Forces of Corruption of the Empire, Rebellion, and Zann Consortium please?

Your videos are extremely well made and clear, as always. Will you ever touch on the topic of Autoloaders, with history, drawbacks and advantages?

Marvelous.. a fellow tech-priest. Tis an honour

my new favourite channel

Even if nobody else noticed it, I chuckled at your subtle ancient web page joke.

I really want to see a video on unmanned ground vehicles or just drones in general now

Love your new profile pic dude

Recoilless rifles have been around for quite a while and they were used in Vietnam War and Afghanistan 2 beat the Russians did quite well World War II it's definitely a technology that lag behind other systems good to see you there upgrading and seeing taking a look back at them I mean holding sticking point where these weapons is their kinetic energy and they need to upgrade the ammunition or shell to reflect more modern weapons like mounting a smaller Javelin type shelf to be launched out of it

Btw great video my man

The M-16 reliability issues stemmed from parts breakage due to bad Ammo. The cleaning problem was due to the environment of Vietnam and issues with rifle production (army skimped on protective crime lining). The M-16 needs less maintenance than you think.

Great video

6:55 I’ll see you on the MECHxt one. I’ll see myself out.

Raven cannon, also known as a higher caliber lockup gas operated firearm but it vents the gas out instead of moving the bolt carrier

Very interesting! I wonder if the cannons could be designed to redirect the backblast upwards, as not to risk damage to friendly units/assets? Such a curved mechanism might take up more room, endure more stress and need more cleaning. But the trade-off might be worth it.

Could you do a video on helical rail guns? I'm curious if they have any advantage over standard rail guns.

tbh seems like the kind of tech that is going to get shelved for a while maybe inspire some tech concepts in a few games and then possibly get picked up and looked at in the future as a possible weapon system

God I love this channel

cool vid bro i learned a lot

God I love the mechanicus soundtrack so damn much

Saw a video from Matsimus regarding the removal of the Abrams from service in the USMC. Just wanted to know if you thought the removal of tanks from US service in general could be seen in the foreseeable future?

Speaking of, you should do a video on the RDF/LT. Old tech, but it was like, peak-80s technological coolness that actually made it into a physical form that was actually tested.

I know RAVEN cannons are still in their infancy, but I wonder if it would be possible in the future to build a combo ETC and RAVEN cannon, having the RAVEN's recoil mitigation system, but being charged with liquid propellant and ignited with plasma like the ETC. It would be pretty cool, and would probably help compensate for some of the RAVEN's shortcomings while allowing for a more compact ETC.

I would really like to see a future tank going 120 mm at 120 rpm and just overwhelming any active protection system, and this RAVEN technology seems like something that could potentially make it possible.

Nice video, could you make another one on star wars vehicles again? I would like to see you give your opinion on the HAVw-A6 Juggernaut (aka the Clone Turbo Tank).

intro gun so strong it made a hole in my display

I would think the easiest way to control the timing for opening the breech to would be to trigger the opening mechanically when the gun has recoiled some small distance, which sounds relatively foolproof. Note that I said relatively.

Take a look at Metal storm. Uses the concept of superposed ammunition in a single barrel (which has been around for 500 years) and electronic ignition. You can adjust rate of fire to be anything since no action required. Why its not being exploited much, it does seem to be one of the avenues for future weapons, and would be a great light weight system for scifi armor since you can just drop the tube when you have expanded your ordnance.

The B roll at 3:54 is the first time I've been able to see the TOW wire

Never heard of em but they sound neat

I could see these being more popular during WW2 where missiles were almost unheard of on aircraft and 75s were mounted on naval aircraft but they almost brought the plane to a complete stop when fired sometimes. I could see them replacing the machine guns on today's aircraft with these however. Having a high ROF recoiless AA flak gun would be useful in a dog fight.

One of the most effective weapons in close support and for hunting down unlawful combatants has shown to be a medium caliber autocannon on a stable platform. Like the Apache with its 30mm chaingun. Drones work too but a hellfire is very expensive and not very versatile, but drones are generally to light to support a 30mm autocannon. But they could likely use something like Rheinmetall 30mm recoilless autocannon (RMK30). And it even have a higher muzzle energy than conventional 30 mm autocannons making precision strikes easier.

possibility of discharging back blast in to exhaust is a interesting concept though...

In my research for my future-history setting, heat mitigation can be easier than it looks if you are willing the shell out the cash to do so. Remember those 'red copper' pans? You can use similar composite material for gun barrels. In addition, it is becoming apparent that armor is going to go a similar route as Battletech's, given the fact that a composite metal foam pretty much replicated the properties of the structural material 'EndoSteel'. Due to this, it is highly likely that we'll see armor similar to Battletech's sooner rather than later.

I did not understand anything but at the same time knew everything

you did good and i hope you have a good day and try not to die during the pandemic.

Please do a video on your opinions on multi turreted tanks, I find it interesting how many people believe that more turrets would make any tank better. Thx

“It looks to have been created around the time that Troy fell“ I choked on my coffee

liked for ending song

You could make the breech opening more consistent, by implementing burst disks calibrated to perforate when the desired barrel pressure is reached. This avoid the need to have a recoiling assembly that is precisely calibrated, although you would probably still want one so as to facilitate ejection of an obturating stub. Plus, just because recoil is reduced to 40% does not mean that the residual recoil is negligible. Tank guns have extremely high recoil because they impart very high kinetic energy. So a muzzle brake as well as a recoil damper is still required. The complexity of turret design will militate against any weight savings. While an oscillating turret is an option, they tend to be heavier than simple mantlet designs. From what I have seen, some turret proposals for high elevation turrets involved a crane arm that could raise the barrel above the turret when elevating. This would require a cleft turret. After all the systems integration, armouring of the venturi (it will have to be at least resilient to 155mm shell splinters), and turret design, I doubt that it will be much lighter than a closed breech gun. Of course as you say, the advantage would be in mounting these guns to much lighter vehicles with much smaller turret rings and bearings than would otherwise be possible. But armies across the world have largely abandoned airborne or amphibious vehicles. The armouring imperative has grown vehicle combat weights way past 25 tons, which is already considered to be the upper limit possible with vehicle masses that can still be amphibious. You can cheat by raising vehicle height, or using a swimming skirt to increase displacement but armies have mostly turned to integrated pioneer / engineering corps with bridgelayers instead. So the need for RAVEN in light vehicles is also starting to be eroded. Just about the only application that I can envision for a RAVEN system would ironically be in a rapid fire medium calibre role employed for short range AAA. The lower barrel heating and reduced recoil would greatly reduce the weight of turret systems for slewing the turret. In the AAA role there is usually no infantry to be concerned with backblast. And being able to fire larger calibres (or saboted rounds at higher velocity) can give much greater effective range. A rapid fire 105mm RAVEN system firing saboted projectiles like the OTO Melara Super Rapid Vulcano 76mm at 1200+ m/s would be ideal to deal with drones out to 3km+, and can interdict cruise missiles or low flying aircraft. And it would have inherent self defense against other ground forces, although it would be vulnerable to tanks. But with a lot of armed forces leaving SHORAD to missiles, even that role might not be open to such a gun system.

Bit off topic here but what do you think about the XS1 Goliath from COD:AW ? or most of the vehicles seen in there?, mostly interested in the Goliath because that can not only withstand heavy gunfire it can also withstand a rocket engine going off and still being able to keep the pilot safe from the scorching heat.

Maybe they can somewhat compensate for the back blast by making a funnel at the back funneling upwards, so atleast the infantry are saf-er, but it will be hell to use in thicc jungles.

Could you talk about that explosive reactive armor(ERA) isn't the be all and end all of tank armor for the fact that you could harm any infantry support near you in a combined arms warfare.

isn't it possible to vent the backblast upwards? to minimize the risks for the people taking cover behind it, or does doing that drop the gun performance ?

How about MLRSs or Multi Launch Rocket Systems for tanks where you have one or two shoe box sized containers filled with mini rockets launch from a tank. Basically you start with an initial launch stage then after sometime the second dispersion stage starts giving a shotgun effect.

Rheinmetall developed a recoil-less 30mm revolver gun for use on attack helicopters and they put one on a "Wiesel" tanquette for testing. (Which shows up in the "Armored Warfare" game.) What astonishes me about it is that apparently the thing has a higher muzzle energy than the GAU-8. No idea how that is possible with a recoil-less gun.

How do you mount this thing? You can't rigidly affix it to a turret, it'll blow itself right off the trunions when you fire because it's not recoilless. So it has to be able to recoil. But if it recoils, how are you going to vent all the gas to the outside? Is there some magical super-tubing I'm unaware of? Mount the thing on the outside of the vehicle you say? Then how will you load it?

I wonder if you could make a recoilless rifle that uses a smooth cartridge case that shoots out the back from the pressure when it fires so that it temporarily increases the chamber pressure a bit and prevents the problem of back blast by only firing back a single large object that can be deflected up to lose its momentum. Obviously the main problems would be reliably "extracting" and the added length at the rear of the gun for the case to travel through long enough to keep the chamber pressure up.

Sounds like an attempt to create a mid-point between a conventional heavy gun and a recoiless gun, combining the advantages of both, but also the disadvantages. I would assume the mount allows the barrel to travel a great distance such that the barrel is moving backward the whole time the projectile is moving within the barrel and keep moving while it vents after and only stops once the projectile and most of the gas is gone.

Any possibility of RAVEN small-arms in the future? If you can safely vent the gasses from the chamber of a machine gun, or one-handed SMG, you could have a lot more power with a lot more control. The mechanics of doing that with rapid fire might be complicated, though.

is there other types of cannons or weapons that could be on small arms or autocannons? like electric firing?

What about altering the back blast cone by deflecting it slightly upward? Would that be practical?

I think merging ETC cannon with RAVEN canon is the way to go. In ETC cannon one can use much more powerful explosives, which leads to more stress, thicker barrel and so on. RAVEN technology can reduce stress on the barrel of the gun, and requires more precise burning time, which ETC technology can provide. Each technology is reducing drawbacks of the second one. Electromagnetic gun on a tank is far future.

what is the advantage over missile systems?

There's confined space tech for recoilless rifles like the AT4, so i suppose that could help

could you make a video about the pros and cons of unmanned tank turrets