Raven-Symoné to Miley Cyrus: "We should not be labeled..." 

nooo

+lisa lapanelli ikr he got it all wrong

+James Owens i agree with you.

I agree with you +James Owens. I just think most people closed mindedness disables them to comprehend what she clearly implied . Refraining from the word "African" American was to display a sense of equality with no judgement attatched. As it does Not dictate who she is as a human being. Simple enough.

She does speak the truth , she just needs to deliver it the right way. Because during that interview with Oprah....! No one really understood what she meant. & I almost understood what she meant as she explained it on The View. She just needs to deliver it a better way.

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I agree!

I agree.

+Mieya Young Yes. People make big deals over the dumbest stuff. Clearly she did not mean to offend anyone. People should be less ignorant, and more understanding of people's intentions is all.

+Mieya Young She is not AFRICAN America, neither are none of y'all! NOBODY IS!!!! She is an AMERICAN!!!!! PERIOD. THERE are WHITE Africans, just FYI.

***** you are absolutely right !

***** Thank you! People need to get over their personal prejudice and I think that is what people who don't like being labeled are really shying away from.

***** You've misread my comment. Lol. I said absolutely nothing about not respecting a person not wanting to be labeled. Lol

***** i agree that removing labels doesn't change who you are on the inside, but i think you're missing the point. raven is saying she shouldn't be defined by her labels, she doesn't want to be referred to as raven the lesbian or raven the african american, because she's a human being and has so much more to offer to people than her race and sexuality. labels make it easier for people to find differences and say one is better or worse, no human is better or worse than another based on sexuality or race, they are all equal, it's what's on the inside that matters, not what you can label on the outside.

***** Well, then, since I'm assuming you're a person and not a typing ferret, then you're full of hate and why should I listen to you because I'm full of hate so why should anything change? That type of thinking is what Raven is trying to move beyond. She's above all that stuff and she rightly points out that we need to start thinking like that to move on.

I love her

She was too intelligent for the show. Leave the dummies like raven to speak their nonsense.

+Kassie446 wow the fact that you even said that.

+Sandy Edwards I don't understand your comment please say more

Yes, I like her. I was thinking the same thing about being proud to be who you are... And she made so many other valid points. Listening to her speak made me feel more enlightened, unlike when I'm listening to raven. I don't watch the show but just some of the stuff I've seen what raven says on social media and that girl...needs to go back into hiding like she been doing for the last 7+ years.

you got a major point there sister 👍

Exactly!! They just love separating "black people"

+because a non black person saying black is taken as an offense rather than saying African American. Now you tell me why majority of the people feel weird saying/being called black. My African American teacher even said she preferred African American over black. and I do feel more comfortable saying my teacher is AA rather than my teacher is black.

Race is about the color and phenotypes ...

"African American's" are called African Americans because when they were brought over from slavery white European people would try to "Americanize" them. That's why there is no such thing as white European American, they created it.

Cause their ancestors are not from Britan. I am Italian-American. Big deal. Is it really that big of a deal.

Brock LockRight my friend.and also sayin that your black American what is the difference stupid raven,that is still labelling,if you were born in America you are American.

European American

Americans came from europe not from british

clau cris England is in Europe

Reavn is growing up. ...now

She can not want that all she wants, cops still gonna address her as an African American when they pull her over.

@@unofficialbeautyqueen6624 so what a racist white man is gonna label her that it dont make it true

Martian You're totally right

Martian but i mean is there anything wrong with choosing the labels that are for yourself rather than have people, sometimes strangers, decided what labels best suit you. I don't think there's anything wrong with a person deciding what they would like to be called/labeled.

Regardless, people are going to have a label for you whether you're cool with it or not.

Martian i agree :)

exactly..

+Lets Mash It Up! Actually white people are called Caucasian.

They call them African~American because of there roots, all black people were from Africa in the first place before Slavery they might not be born in Africa and there roots are.

+The Gamer *but there roots are*

+The Gamer If that was the case then no one should be called Americans. Only Native Americans should be called Americans. We don't call white people Caucasian-Americans. Lol wtf is this? Seriously. Think about that.

+iCurvaceous what you said is very important matter that has been discreetly repressed by white people to be spoken publicly.

Her response was okay but Raven is not wrong the constantly point out someone's race and didn't say that their race and tired of them to think a certain way is stupid I shouldn't be labeled you shouldn't go you're a black gay blah blah blah so you should say blah blah blah I know I can say whatever I want black people in America are not black you are the descendants of Africans who got told that there another race

@@MONKEYDZETS Raven is right... She's an American! Enough of the labels!!!

Jae Bernard She's the only one I find myself agreeing with, she's definitely the voice of reason

+Jae Bernard You forgot, "On this show" I was surprised too. Every once in a while I watch a clip, but they've annoyed me way too much for me to be a viewer. I think it's good that people can compare someone with sense to someone without it. Whoopi was usually the reasonable one.

***** Passive instigation is a waste of time that usually leads to more passive, vague comments. If you want attention, try making friends instead.

+Jessie Bernard Yes especially when she said that she's from every CONTINENT in Africa but one and from every CONTINENT in Europe but one. -.-

FreddyRose No one said that.

Do you understand the sad part here? It really could stop just like that if everyone ignored labels like Raven has decided to. However, with thinking like yours of "this will never stop if you try to move forward and be PROGRESSIVE", the oppressive, social, and political divide in America won't ever come to an end because pessimistic thinkers who want to throw stones at the optimists who are tired of living in tomorrow and are walking towards their brighter future are holding our generation, and the generations coming after us, back.

Ignoring real things is not progressive. People who hate black bodies will hate them no matter what you call them. Systems that oppress black bodies will oppress black bodies no matter what you call them. There NEEDS to be conversations about the past TO move forward because all people have done is change laws and not actually address and repair the damage they've done. The system still benefits one group people because they see themselves above everyone else. Racist pathology does not just disappear when those ideals have been passed down for many generations, especially when your privilege has up in the clouds. White people have to get uncomfortable before everyone else can get comfortable, but they'd rather suppress the issues than address it, and we'd rather coddle them and their systems than challenge them.

Africans oppress themselves. Fucking please. And you can't try to claim equality yet seclude yourselves into your own group. The labels just keep people separated. By all means identify with your culture, I do, but I don't hit others out if they don't or try to seclude those who aren't.

Well said.

cenalover386 thanks!! :)

But I'm confused. She did label herself as black but she said she didn't want to be labeled as African American. Why is one label worse than the other. She can embrace the color of the skin but she can't embrace where her ancestors are from? I can understand not wanting to be labeled as gay because there is a wide range of what she could be and doesn't want to have to put a name on it (lesbian, bisexual, pansexual etc.) And isn't American also a label?

RobiXOXO Love I absolutely love this comment.

+Q ย ę e n S ª n a thanks! 😊

+Jose Carlos Ruiz That's not label, that's a nationality. Dumb.

+Camila Gianoli it's labeling as an American

She doesn't want to be African American..because she is just American...I think that is what she is saying..lo

+Naomi Jones No it's not, when refer to someone from Japan, you say Japanese; from Mexico, Mexican. It's not a label in the way of sexuality and ethnicity, it simply the name of the people of your own country. What Raven is VERY SIMPLY SAYING (like i don't understand how its hard for people to understand this issue) is that Raven was NOT born in Africa. Nor were here Parents I believe. She was born and raised in AMERICA, therefore she is an American. She (like MANY black American) can't say that she is an African American because an African American is someone who was born in Africa and MOVED to America.

the entire human race is decedent from africa...

Elon Musk is more of an African American than the her

Apart from her descending from there, all her ancestry?

+crazy4corbinbleux No, no and no. She doesn't want to be labeled because she doesn't want to be put in a box. She feels better without it. It's not about other people it's about herself.

+Emillie L. but how can she say that she doesn´t want to labeled as an african american but as an american. thats a label too. so why not say "i don´t want to be labeled. I´m human. My hair is black, my skin is dark and i´m human"

lifelovefun with k You're right! I realized this later actually. I totally agree. It was quite cognitively dissonant of her to say she doesn't label herself while in the same breathe labelling herself,

+Emillie L. she doesn't want to be labeled as something that she isnt. what don't you understand? she is not from Africa she was born in the United States she is a Black American. you don't hear us calling white people British American because they migrated to the U.S(if you forgot) what about the REAL Americans who got labeled Native Americans?

+JJ20kil3r Exactly! It's ridiculous that people believe these labels are necessary but it is even more ridiculous that people are getting offended when people actually reject these labels. And I find it incredibly hypocritical that people don't seem to care that white people aren't put up to the same standards and pretty much get a free pass when it comes to this labeling business. They are just meaningless words that we bring meaning too, at the end of the day we are all human beings plain and simple. This isn't even a thing in most countries, there are no African French or African British etc., and in South Africa they sure as hell don't call their whites "European South Africans." People are just too sensitive nowadays, especially in North America. American is not her label, it is her nationality

Bailey T Agreed, and that's my problem with those people who denounce labels. They haven't thought through their reasoning behind it. They haven't found the root of their issue with the label, so rather than deal with the controversy associated with the label, they dismiss it. The problem is what people assume about you based on the label, not the label itself.

Well the thing is, someone who's English (or French, Dutch etc) American has English roots, but would that person refer to themselves as English American or just American? If the topic of conversation is your ancestry then sure, but otherwise I think it's very normal to just say American. She's saying she's black, but American, as she herself is not from Africa. That doesn't have to be a negative thing like dismissing your ancestry or being ashamed of it, it's simply letting people know that your family was born and raised in America. If someone would immigrate from Nigeria to the US right now, those people would refer to themselves as African. Black Americans are as much of a part of American culture as white Americans are, so why separate the two. With separation you're only putting more emphasis on skin color instead of actually coming together.

Bailey T BUT. Shouldn't 'white' be considered 'European-American' then?

But at the end of the day EVERYBODY's roots go back to Africa

You make a good point.

Raven isn't bi she's a lesbian and I think labels are great. They gave you somewhere to belong.... I'm sick of people feeling like the whole world needs to like them. Labels or no labels not everyone is going to like you. Not everyone will be nice get over and be proud of who you are

Brooklyn P I don't think it's a question about being liked but realise that we're all humans what ever we look like/comes from/likes and so on. I think they mean that we shouldn't be considered different depending which label we have. And when whey seperates us into groups like that, hate can grow. But I see why people like labels. It's comforting to have something to really belong to.

Nibbor.Kullander yeah I don't understand. Labels make you strong and whether you label yourself or not that's not what people judge you by. If raven walks in a club and kisses her girlfriend no one is going to think raven doesn't consider herself gay so no hate raven you're cool or think oh raven considers herself just american so no black hate for her

And how can one attain this asexual state if I may ask

TrueRattlehead what

finally a kindred spirit, I also think she is right, and that she has a great view on life, but people don't like it so the call her 'dumb' and 'stupid'.

same here

They think that because she spouts a lot of rhetoric and constantly contradicts herself (often times in the same breath) making her come off as a hypocrite. Her heart may be in the right place at times but her head just isn't. She talks about being nice and loving one another and not to label/judge but then turns around and would judge a person based off their name. She's just very inconsistent and doesn't practice what she preaches.

This is how I have felt for 25 years - nice to see some celebs saying it.

Where are black peoples from?

I'm proud to say I'm Mexican-American because it distinguishes me from Caucasians, Asian-Americans, etc.... I like it because I'm proud of my heritage, nothing wrong with labels, it's normal

Fiza Rahman actually Mexicans are considered mexican-americans, soooo yeah.

Moose Doose usually it's used for Americans with Mexican descent but I guess it counts for those of us born in Mexico who live in the United States as well because we're grouped the same.

Viviana Cavazos Just curious? Were you born in Mexico or are your parents from Mexico?

@@vivianacavazos6673 except Mexican Americans are labeled as Mexican only. Even if you’re born in the US. People only say the Mexican part

So funny

Movie forfan(Sign).........America

Haruka Takahashi​ you tried to make a bad statement and it worked ........horriblely......there different cases .....you can go either direction on this ...now bye

Arnez Juggins xD LOL What?!?

Exactly omg this is such a good example

High five

High five

amen

Right

She is full american. there's no need to call her an "african" american, she knows her roots. Stop labelling everything.

Mariusz Gibon what?!

Feeh ! FAK!

Ikr and the truth is everybody is rooted from Africa under one black woman

It's not that we want to distance ourselves but that you don't hear society calling whites European-American. Why is everyone else called African-Americans, Latino/Hispanic-Americans, Pacific-Americans or Native American but whites are called Americans when they too came to this place on a ship. If anyone should be given the title of American then it should be the ones Christopher Columbus met when he stumbled here years ago... you know the ones they gave the title of the native.

Kasandra Howaniak and your name 😊

Kasandra Howaniak Wrong She's not Africans american, and American, or a human being. She is a living organism, that is the only label that matters. 😂😂😂

Kasandra Howaniak tell that to the god of Israel.

Job applications must be very challenging for you.

Shawn Myrelle lolll

maybe ur just under-thinking it sweetie

+jogginbuxur maybe you should stop patronising another person's opinion! sweetie

I think it's because she's really, really stupid.

There's a lot of idiots in this country and black people always looking for a reason to have an issue with one another. No unity. What Raven is saying makes nothing but good sense. White folks with European heritage all day and night call themselves just American and see themselves as true red blooded Americans when no others than the Native Americans were true Americans. At this present day we are all Americans we all have been here long enough. In other countries they don't go out of the way to racially label. If you're from/citizen of Brazil than you're Brazilian, France= French, etc.

Yeah il tell you why because the majority of women not all of them of course who say they are bisexual won't even Say it publicly ( except for these 2 Cunts) or within they social group officially have a relationship with a women and yes it is easy to jump on the hate wagon because normal and smart people know that most people of this generation my idiotic generation want to brand themselves as special little snowflakes. If you are bisexual say it don't fucking spray it become what you are that's it!

and people will continue to say it after you. You don't own that, good lord, get over yourself.

thankyou✊✊💯

Ya, you're taking it out of context. Don't be a douche.

She may have not said it first, but she has the influence to make more people hear it.

i disagree because the term/phrase has been developed worldwide as an inspirational/motivational thing soo...

Blacks and whites are of the same race! The human race. These people are confused. Their different in their nationality!

coolstorykals oh it just a joke, sarcasm.

I mean race comes into it in my head like people would be like "oml did you hear what Miley said that really resonated with me and i feel that" knowing Raven had been under heat for a while after saying this. I'm trying to say sometimes when white people say it white people listen but if a person of color says it it's not payed attention to or is viewed negatively

How is that petty. I swear people want to hate Raven just because they want to.

@@neytirishanelle9994 big facts

@@Corny_Crissy It’s a joke chill

People arent going to address by gay black american. But the label is still accurate.

Ong! Why is that so hard for ppl to comprehend Lmaoo. Perhaps everyone should just mind their business

Exactly.

I don't think nationality is the exact same as a label...

+Davin Yu When many people get excited and can't wait to speak their mind they don't always consciously realize they are double talking or, partially, nonsense talking. I understand your statement, Davin.

+Davin Yu but she is American, not African-American.....I'll never claim Africa but I'll claim this mess of a country loudly and proudly. Born & raised in the USA, never been nor care to go to Africa.

I think what she's getting at is that not all black people are from Africa, and it's ignorant to believe so. She knows who she is; let her define of not define herself as she pleases.

+Hayley Don (hayleydon21) thats exactly what I was thinkingXD

If you did sociology you would realize that although people don't mean to its hard for them not to label things it's how our brain functions and how we understand the world around us. Labeling helps understand or class our identity and is something that is inevitable to plural societies

You're missing the point.

RUEZ69 no i know the point. she doesn't want to be labeled by anything. i just think thats stupid saying you're an african is putting a label on yourself as an american.

not to mention she called herself black....

Chidi Ogoms probably not.

***** That's what I thought too.

A lot of Africa isn't poor; you idiots need to travel.

Lmfao African ain't a poor continent

Chidi Ogoms the whole continent isn't poor but I know where you're getting at

chaos

At least she's trying to be creative with her hair! aren't like you wearing a weave trying to copy a Indian girls hairstyle.😂

@@josem8753 shes not. Her stylist does it. It gives people somein to talk about....hence this conversation

@@josem8753🙄🙄 Not all black women wear weaves and we can have a variety of NATURAL textures, lengths and styles JS...

agreed. this is some of the pettiest shit I've ever seen. why are people so upset to be called what they are?

***** exactly? Like when Raven said she wanted to be called an Amercian and not labeled im like, "bitch American is just another label"

Hannah Rose , who cares what Lincoln SAID!! I'd be more worried about what the maker of heaven and, earth said " and, in the scriptures it is written that it is wrong for men to be lover's, of men ,and for women too... that doesn't originate from the FATHER !! that comes from Satan.. he's the deceiver..and, it's your choice of that's what you do..but the the Lord GOD Almighty doesn't make you to become that way you did..and, the Holy scriptures say " choose whom you my serve this day..but, for me and, my house hold we will serve the Lord...and, he also forgives, and holds no condemnation to those who ask to be forgiven for doing WRONG!! he created a man and, a woman to be together not the other way around..😇

P.S, I DON'T HATE RAVEN I LOVE HER SHE IS A HUMAN BEING WITH CONFUSION.. THAT'S ALL ! GOD LOVES EVERY ONE..AND, JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR ALL SINNER'S..AND, GOD IS A LOVING FORGIVING FATHER..IF YOU REPENT OF YOUR SINS!!. PEACE BE UNTO YOU ALL! 😇😇

That's a label

Proud Muslimah I legit laughed at your comment lol

Best comment.

+ms. will always love my life Yes, I am proud. She is an amazing human being and those of you who cant see it are stupid. if u even take the time to watch her interviews you'd see she is the same Miley. She just isnt 15 anymore. She is 22. and if you can sit there and say you are the same EXACT person you were seven years ago, then I worry. in life u are supposed to grow and find yourself. Like she finally did. Im so proud she came out as bisexual. I knew she was bisexual since I could remember. and Im so glad she finally had the courage to tell people. I am so proud of what her happy hippie foundation is doing for the LGBTQ youth and homelessness people.I am proud of what she stands for, and the fact that she doesnt feel the need to lie about who she is or present herself a certain way to please ppl. she said the other day "I hate how I am worth so much when there are people out there without homes." She actually cares about people. and just cause when she is on stage she is very animated with what she does doesnt mean she is a bad person. Look at Lady gaga, or Britney Spears. Why dont they get hate? its ridiculous. Miley is the same person she has always been. she is just growing. She isnt killing anybody, if anything she is saving. I would know. She saved me. I used to be depressed, (as was she when she was a little younger. She used to cut) and I cut myself. but mileys music and interviews helped me a lot. and watching how she overcame her depression no matter what people said just inspired me. So i stopped cutting. I said to myself "If Miley can do it, I can do it. Cause I know things can be so much harder for her." because people are jerks and find amusement in trying to tear someone down who actually wants to bring good to others. She makes her fans feel noticed and special. At her concerts (Ive been to them) she stops singing just to look at her fans and talk to us. and she picks up every single thing people throw on stage to her. She just wants to make others feel happy, so she doesnt feel the need to prove herself or defend herself to anybody. all she cares about is making other ppl happy. So yes, I am proud. I am proud of the personality she has. and you would know what that is if you took your head out of the news and actually let HER talk, not press

You literally sound like the worst human being on the planet. im standing up for what I believe in and here you are using caps and calling me names and making shit up and IM the child? you sound like u are an uptight peasant from the 1920s with your underwear a little too far up your ass with the way u are acting about being gay. Wow.. like seriously wtf is your problem. at least im being reasonable you are just shouting random shit and calling shots on who is the child when its clearly you. you literally sound like a crazy person. what are you taking? and MY tantrum? you are literally calling me a demonic troll for doing no other than defending gays, miley, and myself and then using an excessive amount of exclamation points and dramatic, abusive phrasing. so actually, by definition, you my child, are having the tantrum. (Tantrum: an uncontrolled outburst of anger) and u are literally losing it so there you go :D

+ms. will always love my life what kind of insult even is that? Honey you already fucking stooped to my level when u started coming at me like a crazy person. I literally was just defending gay rights and someone who is a strong supporter of the lgbtq community ahd you just got crazy and called ME a demon. Yeah, totally. As we speak my horns are staring to hurt my head. Smh. Im not a demon. But you my friend are very crazy. My friend read this and said "wtf is wrong with this guy." In my english class. We spent the whole class talking about how crazy u are saying u wouldnt get arrested for throwing me at a wall. Ridiculous. Im not having a tantrum. Its called defending what you believe it. And at least i can do it without all these major $&£*^+£ because im no being crazy about it, u are. So go ahead, keep commenting that im a demon and that I should continue my tantrum, i mean, ifs all ur really saying anyways. Cause u have nothing else to say. Cause im more right than you're crazy ass

+ms. will always love my life Are you actually proud to be able to abuse children? Who is the immoral, disgraceful, demonic troll now?

+ms. will always love my life "I won't even bother stoop to your level and argue with an obvious, rotten, spoiled, disrespectful, " kiss - me -@$$ ", brat." Omg your stupidity is astounding dude. She was mature and respectful the whole time while you keep insulting her, ignoring her arguments and acting like a child. Seriously wtf? Can you get any more pathetic? And, on top of that, you are homophobic, hateful and a terrible person. I hope you were just trolling because this is f*cked up in so many levels...

Tasha Speed exactly

try 200,000 years

Barely 200,000* Better?

She wasn't serious. Lmao. She was exaggerating obviously. Wow.

You need to relax, obviously she was exagerating to make a point.

+RUEZ69 why must you feel like you should reply to something thats already been responded to almost a week ago bye queen

+Miss Vendetta yaaaaasssss!

I disagree Raven doesn't want that she's ashamed of her self she doesn't want to be and admit what she is if she said the truth about herself she would have way less hate

I like to call myself gay because that's what I am, I own and accept who I am. I don't feel confined by that label, so I don't see how it is toxic.

+xRoyale ! Respect!

jay Dee what's the difference? If anything black is a color and African is an actual race

Katisha I'm very much aware of my African roots. Why i agreed with Raven is the government wants too always labor us first we were negro than colored people now African Americans.no that doesn't work for me thats why i say I'm black American. I work with a true African from Cameroon Africa and he said that he a true African American because he's from Africa and i agree 100% peace and love.😎

jay Dee What's the difference... American is still a label lol.

Emmanuel Briggs because in America , being brown automatically means youre african american to society. You could have direct lineage to belize, dominican republic, puerto rico, jamaica, barbados, hawaii etc. Like if your parents are from africa and youre born in the U.S, THEN youre african american. Same way if a white person has parents born in germany, but they are born in America, theyre considered american. But if you dont have direct lineage, youre just AMERICAN. Because yes, all black people have african roots but that doesnt make you AFRICAN. You dont follow the culture or traditions, speak the language or even wear the clothes or have the nationality to fall back on. Being black is more universal.

I was born of Irish parents who had to travel to find work in England economic migrants I am very proud of my Irish ancestry and respect it's culture which is vastly different from English culture. Irish people were sold as slaves throughout the world and it's not common to hear them prefix the country they now live in by Irish ....as Africans do. As Africa is a continent made up of entirely different countries and cultures it would be like saying people from Europe are European/ Americans and yes some were transported to the colonies as slaves and "prisoners"

+Lauren Lown But what is her ethnicity??? I get what she is saying but her delivery could have been way better than that. So much better.

+jamaicankpoplover Blythe Obviously she is American, she lives in American culture. You sound dumb. Do you even know what ethnicity means?

+cutiexoxoxo1 Preach. "A human loving another human"

+jamaicankpoplover Blythe She's contradicting herself but she's not wrong with her initial point. If more people think like her in terms with race we wouldn't be in so much chaos. She was wrong for saying ghetto and such. I completely agree with that.

iCurvaceous I agree with you to some extent. But I also think she lacks the delivery. The delivery is what killed her opinon.

She means labels that don't carry historical stigma

I'm technically 25% Native American. But my mother was adopted by a polish woman and i grew up eating polish sausage and other polish traditional food. I don't know anything about the tribe I actually come from, so I basically just consider myself just an American. I respect native Americans but if I were to call myself one I don't think it would be okay unless I had grown up involved in that culture. I don't think other native Americans would respect me by taking their name and labeling myself as one when I don't live on a reservation or have any involvement in their culture. (I would like to learn of course.). I think it's a similar situation with Raven.

Not the point, the more labels we create, the more we segregate our selves. We are all Americans reguardless of skin color, beilefs, sexual prefrence, ext. Istead of creating many diffrent groups, we unite into one group which creates true equality. People will judge others on how thier supposed to be judged, on character and not their label...

+Wayne Gold That's like saying I'm Australian-American because my parents come from Austrailia O.O or that they are Austrailian

+Bunny boo no it's a fact.

Bunny boo not exactly. Shes not putting a label as an american. Shes saying its her nationality. Theres a difference.

to a certian extent.

K. Edwina yes perhaps on the census but not every time you introduce yourself

Raven is on the right track, in Switzerland for example they take pride of different people who integrate here and speak German and love Switzerland. They don't call them black Swiss, they call them SWISS, PERIOD.