Razer - Series 6 All Fights - Robot Wars - 2002 

Fun fact: Warhead & Razer are siblings

The way Razer celebrated its victories by raising its srimech wings to the crowd like a gladiator receiving the cheers of the people was always awesome.

Never mind Robot Wars. One of the all time greats of the whole sport.

I wish he fought Carbide.

Razer the all time champion 🏆

I'm.still pissed off about it as well, Tornado are pussies, the fact that they were in the pit and yet they ignored it, piss take

Its like hydra used bull bar against huge, fckn coward tornado team

The fact that they did that is kind of sad to be honest.

You should be.. You have a point.. Regards from India..

skill issue

Tornado was not in the pit, it was suspended above the pit by Razer. If Razer simply released and backed away it would have won - but it didnt. Tornado also dominated the whole fight bar the last 30 seconds, which is why it won.

@@Garfie489 because Stupid Lame Frame.. cant wi whitout it.. and cant fi in the pit. Tornado sux

​@@vrlaite1916It was not cheating, they made sure with the judges beforehand. However, you are entitled to your opinion

@@Garfie489 "dominated". You mean had their spinner absolutely destroyed and reduced to nothing but pushing because they had 0 backup weapons. Razor turned that piece of shit into nothing but a box with wheels in the end.

@@lizgayle14 a battering ram is also a very simple but effective design. and all that razor does is engage, push down, pull to pit win. an enemy told them also what they will do against it.. so i think it was fair. Razor is so low it can not be liftet from front, and its nimble so it cand be outrun easy. seems also like a very hard amour so blunt force (dead metals saw did not a scratch to the wing) so how u defeat such an enemy? only with something new... so it no cheating. and anti pit devise.. yes, but let him down there so he dont touch the ground with a wheel and he can not move and get a count out.....

Honestly I don't understand why this debate has lasted so long. The last chance rumble judges decision (The closest equivalent I could think of) was controversial for like a year and then it died down but after nearly 2 decades people still argue about whether or not this was cheating and who should have won.

@@joeandrews7329 deserved?? that's kinda based. Tell me you're affiliated with Tornado without telling me

If u Double it, it would equal 18 tons of force

@Drago Don ;)

Black for loosers. Metal shine for Chad.

He'd be OP

Razer would get destroyed as a house robot. Couldnt even beat pussycat or Tazbot.

If you want to see more of him, I highly recommend Red Dwarf, an amazing show which he stars in.

​@@thomasleifNo, the commentator is Jonathan Pearce who is now a football commentator for the BBC. You're thinking of the host, Craig Charles, who plays Dave Lister in Red Dwarf. (I'm a RD fan!)

Good old Craig Charles, he was great on takeshis castle aswel

Nah, Razor would have had to release Tornado and back off, and if Tornado stayed stuck over the pit then it was out. They couldn't release them though, they were just holding them in place. Tornado won fair and square, being a salty Razer fanboi won't change this I'm afraid :).

@@Al3xceptional tornado didnt wim fair though. Their cheat device ment they couldnt fit inside the pit and rules stated they had to be able to

@@matthewrusshow was it cheating? It was approved by the judges and everyone else on set and the Razer team knew beforehand too, so they could make an anti-anti-Razer attachment attachment. It could very easily get stuck on top of the pit and get counted out, but that never happened so it’s fair. I’ve never seen anyone get mad about robots like Bombshell from Battlebots reboot, which had wildly differing attachments, which included a horizontal spinning blade that could adjust its height during a fight. If you’re comparing this to the bike rack Hydra used against Huge, this fight is different too. Tornado still used its primary weapon and them improvised when it broke. Hydra never once used its primary weapon. Oh yeah. And if it didn’t fit in the pit at all, how was it allowed if it broke the rules?

Tornado was saved by the bell.

@@matthewruss This. Simple fact is judges shouldn't have allowed it. Shows you how desperate they were for a fight of equals, when nothing could touch Razer.

Doesn't fit into the pit..stupid really

In the end Tornado was always a cheater. Just a pushing box with 0 ground clearence. Almost impossible to beat by other designs, cause it would always win by judges decision just because of the pushing power

@@stiemerrrsskino Ohh so they always cheated just because they built a bot with no design flaws to it. So your saying teams should build less than ideal robots with weaknesses just because they beat Razer.

@@wisewolftony well I can understand their choice for the design, cause it was efficient and within the rules, but I think it rendered a lot of other designs with cool weapons almost useless. I think Tornado's succes was actually the beginning of the end of the show.

@@stiemerrrsskino To me the end of the show was series 7 where they allowed in a bunch of robots that had no right being in the competition due to the fact that they had my heats than ever before. So it resulted in so many episodes where you would getting nothing but a bunch of shit fights with literally nothing at all interesting happening at all. I mean to me Razer was no different than Tornado just a machine that was built to take advantage of the rules and arena. I mean with the rules they were allowed to just get in one bite while keeping the opponent on their wedge when meant they couldn't escape and were allowed to pierce into machine let go for a second and pierce them again and do that for the entire fight if they wanted to or just hit the pit and dump them in their. So many of Razers fights were just that and nothing else. I mean Battlebots during the same period had tons and tons of four wheel drive wedge bots that were just like Tornado yet very few of them would actually win it all. Due to the fact that their were machines that had designs that were good enough to combat them. Either having spinners so powerful that it didn't matter like Ziggo and Hazard or just having a wedge in front of their own machine that could counter the other teams wedge. I mean Battlebots had Hazard a nasty spinner who for the first 4 seasons was undefeated 17-0 winning the first 4 middleweight championships. Until it met T-Minus which was a flipper who decided to add a few extra inches to their flipper arm which allowed them to get a flip in on Harzard and be the first and only robot ever to beat them. Which to me is no different than what Tornado did in this fight which was add on something to your machine that can help you counter the other team.

Sarg ent they should've been able to fit in the pit razor is still the best dawg

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Sarg ent I don't mind the design, it's clever as fuck, I just hate that it couldn't fit in the pit.

Sarg ent they wouldve been able to be suspended over the pit, not that it ecen matters. Seriously why is an anti crusher cage not ok, but anti spinner configs, special upper armor, and the nuts gaurd a ok to you people. Double standards much?

Wtf? 35:49, clearly the outercage prevents the robot from falling in the pit...

In that regards, whoever dreamt up the rules needs to be shot and hung. Seriously, Why not just create a robot that's a solid flat block with no weapons that stretches out over the pit, whos vitals are kept dead center of the entire bot. You'd never get disabled, you'd never get counted out, you'd never be able to be flipped, and you'd never be able to fit through the ring-out area. But hey, so long as it's regulation size right? So long as it's in the rules that it has to be within this size... If it can't fit in the pit, shouldn't be allowed.

Blooper Sphoof basically you said what the judges should have done in this case. Man it's so obvious, this is bs.

Tornadoes ring weighed very little relative to the rest of the machine. It's not a question of rules, it's a question of sportsmanship, and the design is an unsporting adaption. Also, this series had rules that were also to improve the viewing spectacle.....that battle was frustrating.

Razer put all of its eggs into one basket. They knew the rules and knew that they could go up against someone with a "cage" around them at any point in time. Tornado was simply the first to pull it off effectively.

Yeah, Tornado was legit, so are the tax-saving mechanisms of big companies, so it's also OK when they do that, I guess :-/ (sry for my bad english)

LOL watch Battle Bots on here ton see real Robots

Takes 20 people to make a battlebot though doesnt it. Then have kisses at the end like football fans.​@@fishwhistler7224

I agree complete bs

Blooper Sphoof It's not about tornado team, it's about judging. tornado's weapon was destroyed, and robot ended the fight immobilized over the pit. while razer's weapon was still functioning. for me - it's a heroic comeback, not a defeat. razor's fights in this video were thrilling unlike almost all other robot fights I've seen. Powerful though vulnerable. slow, but devastating weapon. one mistake - and inevitable painful death awaits. that was a great show! it was the most drama-filled robot competition I've ever seen! not just running around flipping one another until i die of boredom. not scratching each other with useless saws or toothpicks, ramming in walls without any visible effect. It was a fight with taking risks of being flipped to death - for the possibility of a spectacular destruction of a foe btw this robot is just beatiful!

Robot wars should ban "fences

Languge!!!

I agree, even if Tornado wasn't completely in the pit they wouldn't have been able to move so were immobilized

@dennistaft7868 One problem Razer didn’t let go of Tornado if he did he would have won.

Wheely Big Cheese was longer than the pit, and it was allowed. S3 was wider than the pit, and it was allowed. Tornado just did both at the same time.

Difference being it was still able to go in the pit. Rules are one thing, but the spirit of robot wars is something else completely. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. To be frank, it's poor sportsmanship on tornadoes part, they deserve the hate.

DunkdaHunk theyd easily be able to be suspended over which counts as in for all tense and purposes. Honestly i dont get this whole thing though, anti crasher cage:no but special upper armor, nuts gaurd and anti spinner configurations are a ok?

Noone deserves hate for following the rules. Sure you can say it may not have been in the spirit but noone "deserves hate".

I can't stand Tornado for their cheating ways and the mod should have not been allowed.

If its in the size limits then being too big to pit is aok

Its not in the pit because Razer is still holding onto it - its suspending it above the pit. For example, Wild Thing done the same against Chaos 2 - the pit smoke even went off. But because Wild Thing was suspending Chaos 2 above the pit it wasnt in the pit. All Razer had to do was release Tornado and back away and itd have won.

Garfie489 well it was also stuck to the cage somehow, also he said anti pit device despite the fact that it really wasnt, and it sure as hell wasnt intended to be an apd

well.. in the pit or not: if the Razer team would have been smart and skilled enough they could have just placed Tornado right in the middle of the pit so all wheels are in the air -unable to move, it should be KO after the 10 sec?!

DrJimbo theres also the fact that you saw it for 3 seconds and not even the whole thing

would you rather a scrap of metal get launched into the audience?

For fairness, the front frame should have been allowed for weapon mounting, but not the whole side/rear. these frames served no other purpose than "anti-weapon system" which isn't a weapon switch whatsoever

one of the robots i think would beat the frame is carbide and other spinner robots that can tare thru the cheater frame.

@Joel WW Its modifying thr function and design of the robot essentially mid fight. Changes how opponwnts can fight against it.

@Pope Leo X if the bot cant fit in the pit, the fight must be quit.

@Joel WW the difference is you actually intend to use the mods as weapons. purely defensive measures were a different story, werent they? Can you really argue that the frame that is big enough to keep razer from getting close, with a completely ineffective weapon was TRULY made to be used as a weapon against razer?

Bruh. It’s literally in the rules that it has to be able to get into the pit somehow. If it didn’t fit, how was it accepted by the people that look into that as well as the judges and the Razer team? They all knew about it beforehand. Thats right. It could easily still get immobilized by the pit. Also, are you blind to all the pushing and slamming that was being done to Razer? And their weapon getting bent sideways? Tornado was dominating the fight up until basically the last 10 seconds.

Yes

It never went in the pit because Razer never released Tornado. Its the same rule that applies elsewhere - you need to release your opponent.

Reliability too for cons. Razer has a history of breaking down in fights.

@Pope Leo X true

they are only alowed to attack who's in the corner.

​@Pope Leo X Refbot was supposed to free Razor. Razor wasn't immobilised, it was jammed in place. Being jammed against arena hazards or stuck by being wedges doesn't count. You have to be put in a position where your wheels can't gain purchase OR are actually, genuinely, immobilised. Refbot was actually designed specifically for checking the mobility of a robot via nudges and ensuring it's genuine and not because of arena's hazards "pinning" it. It also has the fire extinguisher for safety use as a number of robots burst into flames in the past and put the crew at risk.

It's a listed add-on for the bot and is allowed within the rules. The judges checked it and everything.

@@OneBiasedOpinion Asd ons again best robot!! because tornado is stupid as fuc*** ***** and cant win whitout chesting.. cant fint in the pit. Razer weapon was.still working.. Tornado weapon was broken.

@@vrlaite1916 at least get your grammar right before insulting the series 6 champion.

Robot

Man. The bots in the reboot of Battlebots are way more powerful and interesting than almost any robot wars robots. Look at modern Chomp. A 500lb beast with a turret hammer and six legs with an AI targeting system. Dude, we even have a Battlebots equivalent to Razer in Quantum. Deep Six was insane, Huge is basically the ideal design of a Gabriel-type robot, Cobalt and Riptide are absolutely shredding everyone and everything. We’ve got bots like Fusion that are a combo of two different types of weapons. Really weird designs like Starchild and Horizon. We have an innovative design in Ripperoni that uses a counter rotating flywheel to counteract any gyro caused by their weapon, giving them insane maneuverability (see their fight against copperhead). There are even rumors of a fully autonomous robot coming to it in the form of Orbitron. Also, no flippers in Battlebots? Uh, Hydra and Banshee would beg to differ. And look at Blip. It’s basically a Robot Wars flipper, but on some serious steroids. Unlimited flips and can flip 250lbs 20 feet in the air with ease.

Is Series 6 your favourite RW series? Mine is Series 5. Series 8 filled me with hate.

The different uninspired opening theme and Sgt Bash's absence for starters. The very first fight alone left such a poor first impression that the series lost it right to be a triumphant comeback for the franchise after 12 years. I didn't enjoy a moment after that. The returning veterans were very few in number, not to mention the other house robots were mostly sitting ducks, therefore much of the mechanical magic of the original was gone.

Blooper Sphoof não cara é só se inspirar nos veículos da área 51 nesse campeonato , e se não der certo , bota C4 no robô assim você se ferra , mas o adversário ( e todo mundo ) vai junto

i thought the opening theme was pretty damn good - dynamic and different. yes, it was a surprise for the first fight to go the way it did but that's the fun of it. you don't know what's gonna happen - and let's face it, would Razer have beaten Carbide? I really don't think so. yes the lack of house robot action was disappointing but Series 9 made up for it. though can understand the lack of house robots as fair play rules have been changed massively in 13 years

I still consider Series 6 my favorite series. Least favorite is Series 5.

Omg same

Same xd

shame it'll never happen though, it'd cost the BBC too much money :(

Tornado was in the pit. Frame or not the body and gubbins were in the pit. Close to cheating by Tornado.

But they didn't even fit in the pit tho

@@Jimmyfishthe3rd Which is exactly why one could argue that that sort of modification should be against the rules from that point forward, but it's not as if they pulled the wool over the judges' eyes at the time.

​@@aeternusgaming8050 People saying they didn't fit in the pit....but you can clearly see that sections of Tornado (especially the frame) are IN the pit...below the floor level of the arena. That's it as far as the rules are concerned, the robot was unable to get out of the pit (all 4 wheels were off the ground) and sections were below the arena floor level...that's pitted. In terms of the rest of the fight. Razor was barely scratched while Tornado's weapon was damaged and unable to function and the frame was buckled in a number of places.

SS irespawn no they were not. Suspended over the pit and done for. As for being anticrush what about special upper armor? Or nuts gaurd? Or anti spinner wedges? Or changing your blade?

Im a huge fan of razor but they fought like shit that round with tornado, they kept the hook in the air pretty much the whole fight when it shouldve been really low to try and snag that shitty frame of tornado and flip it over or drag it to the house bots like dead metal who could probably fuck that frame up with its claws

My view on it is that it's unsporting and against the spirit of the competition. The pit is a KO, end of. If you can somehow get out of the pit again that would be genius, but this is cheap and unimaginitive. Literally the moment I saw it all those years back I knew it was unsporting, even if it wasn't against the rules.

@@BlooperSphoof1 1 year later I see this xD I have no issues with it. The rules were made to be broken and while controversial; it was legit. Tornado beat the shit out of Razer the entire fight (but Razer had quite a few problems going off the now broken Razer website's battle report). All Razer had to do during the pitting was let go and they would have won. I do understand people's anger over it: the ruling was fixed for Series 7 (which is another ballpark altogether). I'm actually impressed how well Razer held up in all three matches vs a robot with a configuration designed to beat it. Should have won the Extreme Warriors match (Noel Sharkey called it the worst moment of his career), this final was down to a few inches and the Extreme 2 match was dominated by Razer despite burning its motors out. Based on damage, Razer probably won that decision, but Tornado was so dominant on aggression the judges could not have ignored it. It was a great final in spite of all the controversy.

Yeah, he presented the first series

Young-ish!

There's no rule against it