I won't forget Brundle's quote with that must be the grippiest car in F1 history, that W11 was something else and the icing on the cake of Mercedes and Lewis 7 year dominance in F1.
@@robfer5370 This is what people forget - FIA did everything to stop and slow Mercedes over those last 6 years. DAS didn't even last a year before being banned )Merc were allowed to keep using it but had been told it was banned. I'm waiting to see if FIA start trying to slow Red Bull down - even Max isn't denying they have the best car on the grid by far.
@robfer5370 the same thing has happened for a long while. You could argue that skirts were banned to hurt Lotus, or active suspension to hurt Williams, or Bridgestone tyres to hurt Schumi era Ferrari, or V6 hybrids were introduced to hurt Vettel era RB. Sure, some of those were for safety reasons, but changes have always been made to the regs that hurt one team more than the others. People seem to forget the illegal tests that Mercedes did to get a headstart on the hybrid power units. Now we have a new set of regs that has made RB insanely strong. I just hope it doesn't take 6 years to get a real championship battle again.
@@nice900 Technically yes. But some drivers have proven themselves in all sorts of machinery times and times again. Some drivers can't perform great without near flawless cars.
I've never seen another car look as completely on rails as the W11 does. I consider it to be one of the greatest automobiles ever made. The cornering speed and insane stability makes looks almost fake.
@e2rqey The W11 will forever be my favourite F1 car. Not only because it gave Hamilton his 7th title but also because we got to see it on some high downforce tracks that came because of COVID; the likes of Portimao, Istanbul Park, Nurburgring and arguably the most impressive of them all Mugello. These tracks really did show off how perfect the car was. I echo your words; I too have never seen a car so capable, it's an absolute mechanical masterpiece.
In 2020 I commented that W11 won't be beaten in a decade. So far it looks like I was right considering from 2026 the engines will be slower. It's also now the most valuable car in the world. The Silverstone chassis where Lewis won with 3 tyres was recently sold to the Saudi prince and will be delivered to him in 2026. That chassis only raced 1 race. And the price that the Saudi paid was 9 figures. (Anyone who knows how to look at public company report can tell that but the number that it was sold was 250M, which is nuts, although that's the only hybrid F1 car ever sold with the engine but still that's nuts)
I think the lap record would have been made in 2018 if the Q3 would have been dry. I wouldn't say the RB18 was dominant because Ferrari for the first half of the season was better.
Great video! There was no way to find a lap of the RB18 at Spa with telemetry. It amazes me that last year we called the RB18 "dominant" without knowing what would come next year. From last year to this, the cars have improved by about 8 tenths, the following two years until the terrible 2026 regulations come into force the improvement will surely be less, let's say half a second each year. With that, by 2025 we'd have cars just 1.4 seconds slower than the W11 at Spa, quite an achievement if you ask me. Unless FIA throws some TD39-esque shitty regulations, the RB21 will be an absolute beast.
@@lovromedic2822 I don't think so, and sadly, all the weekend will be wet. On top of that, qualifying will be held on Friday after only one FP session, which will mean the setup won't be as ideal
@@sergioferrero46 i think also progress could be linear trough whole 4 seasons because ground effect is hugely unexplored at this level while standard aerodinamics had like 30 years of exploration
Can't wait to see the RB18 vs the RB19. 2023 cars on many occasions have been 1+ seconds faster than 2022 cars, so can't wait to see how much closer it is to the W11
Not necessarily. In hungary, they were only 7 tenths faster from last year and used softer tyres this year compared to last. Also friday is expected to be wet so we wont be seeing any faster times.
@@KimGee241 Actually, this year's cars got surprisingly close to 2020 cars. sadly, both qualifying sessions for 2023 were wet so you cant compare 2020 and 2023 qualifying but we can compare the race laps since both races were dry. fastest 2020 lap was set by ricciardo at 1:47.4 while the fastest 2023 lap was set by lewis hamilton at 1:47.3 which is marginally faster than 2020's lap but lewis set his lap on fresh mediums while I don't remember what state tyres ricciardo was on. lewis or ricciardo might've also had tow and/or drs so its not an apples to apples comparison but it shows that 2023 are relatively close to 2020 cars on high speed tracks since that's where the ground effect really helps
@@OscarZheng50 1.5s that's the closest time they can go against w11 the 2nd fastest car still that comes close to this is wayback in 2018 Ferrari the sf71h.
WoW - what a brilliant video & great comparison & helping early birds get idea of the level of complexity & the height of technology F1 represents. GREAT WORK mate
@@datNERO17not when there’s no race at all like in 2021 were everyone just waited around for 3 hours only to cancel the whole thing lol. The only thing that would make it exciting is if Lewis gets pole again and they just end it under safety car like in 21, Mercedes fans would loose their shit and call him the goat 😂😂.
I never thought I’d ever see a car go through Pouhon flat out. The fact that Lewis could do it repeatedly with this car just illustrates that this car was a damn Mutant..
@@SamOzz42but didnt won all the races the end oh by the way George in his Williams lap time is faster than rb18 so Does it mean that tractor Williams is faster than rb 18 let Alone 19 yes W11 is faster but diferent betwen faster and dominant is so diferent😊
@@MohamedLamkhizniw11, w05 and w07 are easily more dominant cars compared to the rest of the field when in comparison with rb18/19. The team had mistakes that's why they didn't win all the races.
And Lulu says the RB19 is the fastest car he has ever seen LOL!!! He surely has a short time memory problem, wonder if he even remembers the W11. Set up for wet weather still beating the new cars with 2 sec. That W11 cost $500 mil, the RB18 cost $145mil so that's $147mil per second extra, don't think the RB18 is doing too bad for a car 1/3rd the price tag.
Speed wise with DRS the rb19 is a rocket. The W11 was the best packaged car not just speed it was the handling that put it in front of its competitors.
its not only money. The cars today produce more power, and have the advantage of technology regardless of the lesser price tag. If you look the footage, you will see where the old car/s dominate the new - acceleration and slower+mid corners. The reason - they were lighter. 746 vs 798 kg, max power output: 1,025 hp vs 1,080 hp. Both cars are the best, in their respectful regulations. Don't know if the fuel is different, that can also contribute to the difference in lap time.
@@Adhrtme there's no way the 50kg is responsible for 24 tenths, the W11 had enough downforce to sink the asphalt, so much so the MotoGP drivers were affected by it in all the circuits they were sharing. There may as well be a power deficit from the E10 Fuel they're using
1:30 as example. As amazing as both these drivers are……it’s crazy to see how precise Lewis’ throttle input is. You can see it increase bar by bar steadily. Max”s jumps a few bar at a time. Also the W11 must have been a smoother ride as you can see the bumpier ride of the RB affect Max’s input at times.
the RB18 isn't as dominant as the W11, in the first 13 races of 2022 the SF75 was as fast as the rb18 (including in sundays but depends on the track) the rb18 became clear after the TD applied in spa (pushed by mercedes so probably mercedes helped redbull to become the force we are seeing now)
Yes, ironically Mercedes helped RB to get clear from every team thanks to TD39 they lobbied for with the hope of catching up to both Ferrari & RB. Turns out half of their wish became true. Monkey's paw moment.
Also track limits were different in 2020. You can see that hamilon is able to go further outside the track in a lot of corners which also adds to the time difference
I’ve got to say the best way imo go enjoy f1 is the ignore the fans and off the track stuff and focus on the beauty of the sport. The melding of technology and humanity, the collective efforts of everyone working towards a singular goal (to go as fast as possible) and poetry through angles and numbers!
@@enxcrypted18 domination relative bro even george russells 2020 lap in his williams was faster than the rb18 lap but still rb18 has won every race and 10/12 poles so far
The w11 simply looks like it just hits harder. When going under braking ontop of the hill after the long straight he tips it in and is right on throttle, then a tiny lift and back to full power then flat through the next one. That’s absurd. Lewis was truly one with that machine
So basically rhis years car is still +1 second slower than the W11. (We can't compare the lap time of this year pole, the track was kinda wet but we know that this year's RB is almost 1s faster than the last year's, so...)
I remember the period 2019-2020 but much more 2020 that Mercedes more specifically W11 Hamilton's car was overwhelming on the track the team dominated from end to end and the onboards was seen that the car had a tremendous grip to the track and a very serious fast cornering.
@@charleswilfred6463At least Max managed to get wins with an above decent car while Merc were dominating. I would bet Max would at least get a win in that Merc.
@@LucassenR Not really. It's not that the Merc is a above decent car, it's that the Redbull is too fast compared to the rest of the grid. Even Checo, a midfield driver to be honest, can easily finish p2 in any race, if we ignore all the mistakes he has made in qualifying due to pressure from Max.
People said the same for 2004, but 14 years later, Raikkonen broke the record at Monza. If the new engine regulations really are as slow as they are predicting, they will probably return to a bigger engine formula (maybe similar to the current lmh regs) after about maybe 4 or 5 years since it will just be embarassing for F1 for them to have such slow cars.
W11 was the final edition of those hybrid monsters after 6-7 years of improvement in aerodynamics and tyre technology coz those time we had so many tyre compounds(Super softs, hypersofts)but this RB18 is only the first of grounf effect cars. 2025 we'll see much more speed. This year alone might be around 7-8 tenths faster than 2022
I say not bad for a car at the start of new regulations, much heavy, bigger wheels VS a car at the end of a much different regulations, with lighter chassis and smaller wheels
In 2022, Spa was the first race with the TD39 being applied. It also turned out to be the first race where RB dominated having an enormous pace advantage over the Ferrari.....WHAT A COINCIDENCE!!
Because Ferrari couldn't use a loophole anymore that was cleared up with the new TD39. Ferrari still hasn't fully recovered from that. It broke their neck. Ironically Mercedes thought getting rid of that loophole with the TD39 would hurt RB the most, only for RB to be faster than ever.
@@ey1615 What kind of loophole are you talking about? Ferrari used to loophole. They had a car which was 100% regular according to the 2022 rules. Than the FIA cracked under Wolff's pressure of raising the cars and Ferrari lost a lot more downforce than RB because the Ferrari was more dependant on ground effect.
Clearly the smaller, lighter car with more down force will be faster. The Regulations are there to slow down the cars. Comparing 2022 vs 2023 would be interesting to see the gains by the teams under the same regs
The RB18 isn't one of the most dominant cars though, nor was the RB19. I hate when people intentionally mix up car performance with driver performance. The RB18 didn't have any big margin to the field like the mercedes did
I don't quite get the most dominant reference because that's generally determined by race win percentage (& average lap time advantage) in which MP4/4, F2002, F2004, W05, W06, & W07 beat W11 & RB18. Yes, W11 might be the fastest ever F1 car on average, but that isn't necessarily the same as most dominant.
@@amaramachupa6422 those are new sh.tty fans for you. Those kids believe whatever they see on television and don't know about the real demons of the sport: W11, F2004, MP4/4, MP4/5, and more
@amaramachupa6422 the merc cars of 2014-16 always had weaknesses. There were tracks where they could be beaten. The RB 19 has no weaknesses and will win every race this year
@@amaramachupa6422 No debate here, the rb19 is the most dominant car in history and they’ll prove that by the end of the season when they’ll win all the gp, first time in history
Am of the opinion we didnt need the 2022 regs. The cars were converging by 21, they should have put the 2026 regs as the target and found ways to make the cars smaller with that period of time.
I wouldn't be surprised if RedBull bring back the rake ride height to increase the depth of the ground effect underfloor and lower the upper aero elements further.
it was a pretty small lift last year for these cars through pouhon, could we potentially see pouhon flat again if we get dry conditions (there is 2 qualis remember)?
Yea definitely look how well his car is doing now LOL!!! You could strap that 2014-2012 Merc PU to a shopping cart and it would still blow 3/4 of the grid out of the water. And before you start saying that he didn't build the W13/14, the zero side pod idea was his baby, he was still on the team that designed it don't believe me just ask Peter Windsor.
@@gealingeman8643merc engine was only dominant in 2014-16 series of cars. Funnily enough Renault had the fastest engine in 2020. Mercedes became a rocketship in the late half of 2021. It’s the handling and the grip that makes w11 the fastest f1 car ever.
Here's a comparison of Lando Norris's fastest fp2 lap, vs. pole from 2019 and 2020, so we can see how much this car has evolved in relation to the previous regulations.
Yeah the main factor is w11 is the result of 7 years of continuous development on the same chassis design and with unlimited budget whereas the rb18 is the first gen new reg car with budget constraints.
2:24 what is interesting to see how redbull has 1km/h more at exit of pouhon despite the initial lift and lower entry speed. My conclusion is lewis missed apex and added more steering to correct trajectory which scrubbed off his speed quite a bit
2:52 - HAM exceeds track limits giving him higher minimum speed heading onto the high speed section. 3:31 - HAM exceeds track limits giving him higher minimum speed in the final corner.
@@ramezehab662 Redbull started development of the RB18 around the same time Mercedes started development of the W11, however Mercedes chose to keep the same chassis that they had been using a couple of years prior to the W11.
Why not combine first and third newton laws? If we combine the aerodynamic of w11 with the ground effect, just imagine how fast cars could be, it's a Shame the limitations on this sport, it's understandable for he's high costs but god, I just want a F1 as fast as possible
I assume that within the cost cap, they could have done both. The aero design on top would slow the floor design or vice versa, but the end result would certainly be a quicker car than we have now. F1 regulation changes have mostly been explained to lower the speed of the cars in the corners to reduce strain on the tires (I think it was indeed this W11 that famously in Silverstone drove the tires over their structural integrity), dirty air, and safety
