@@Xiphactinus Of course! Neither of them is my favourite driver but they are much respectable. Still, the video is not about the driving differences, so I did not mention them.
@@oussamabendakir1453 Success is relative, and relative to its contemporaries the RB19 was basically untouchable. If we judged all previous F1 cars the way you did, then some of the most dominant and creatively-designed cars in F1 history (Lotus 49C, Ferrari F2003-GA, etc.) would be completely out of the running against cars just 2-3 years their junior.
I said it then and i will say it now people don't realize how quick W11 actually was because we didn't get many crowd shots. We are now seeing that still it is unbeaten. Feels like men and machine in harmony the car is so complaint every direction change just happens
Dominant only by wins and nothing else! Every time stat shows it’s far off being the most dominant car compared to its rivals! Don’t be sucked into the ‘agenda’
MP4/4 is officially the most dominant car ever, followed by W07 & F2002 as joint-second, so this comparison is more precisely about the, on average, fastest-ever & Red Bull Racing's most dominant car.
What would be even more interesting, is comparing one of the slowest cars on the grid this year to the fastest car in 2022 to see if they are as quick, I've always wondered that.
Hey Yelistener,is there any way to compare the two most consistent championship winning cars to date? (The overlooked F2002 with it's 100% of podiums in hands of Michael Schumacher in 2002 and the RB19 in hands of Max,that had all but one podium in 2023),i think Monza is the only track without major changes in 21 years,but I'm not sure if the telemetry for the F2002 is available.
You have Monza Canada and interlagos which are unchanged tracks in the last 21 years Suzuka (has been changed slightly since 2002 which 130r changing but by 2002 in the Ferrari 130r was already flat out) so might be worth an analysis too
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1I don't know how i forgot about those 3, I got blinded by the idea of the races remaining this season,and somehow ignored Interlagos (that aside of maybe some runoff areas,is completely unchanged).
Reminder to this day the only car to produce downforce so high that they were forced to use Mediums in some quali as softs simply couldn't handle to loads
Knowing this years car is 1-1.5s faster than their 2023 counterparts(in some circuits) it’ll be fun to see how much closer the 2024 pole time will be with the W11
If only the new ground effect cars lose some weight, slow speed corners would be much better. Says, ditch the heavy hybrid and bring back V8. But for the "environment" right.
Why there are always as "excuses" in this type of comparisons of this current generation of cars with those of 2020, is my opinion and not to criticize, but in all the videos of these comparisons there is an excuse to favor the ground effect cars, that the wind helped the W11, that the weight, if the weight change and affect but so are the regulations, the 2020 were much heavier than their predecessors and are much faster, other times it is the asphalt, which is 1 degree colder then it is already 1 second of advantage for the W11, also remember that the party mode of Mercedes in that year was banned after Belgium and precisely Mercedes wanted to demonstrate its full potential and that of its engine at Silverstone, they unleashed the party mode at its highest level, then why can not simply say that the W11 was so fast on the straights because of its engine.
How much would you say, all else being equal, wind affects lap time? Obviously circuit dependent, huge at Silverstone and probably Spa and means little to nothing at Monaco, but just curious. Reminds me of how big of a deal wind speed is in Olympic sprint events, if there is too much your time literally just does not count for world record purposes.
The scary thing is the W11 could have gone faster still! Ham is pretty safe on many of those bends compared to Max using every inch of the track as usual.
And they said Lewis is a beast on qualifying😂 now that Russel is beating Lewis literally every qualifying session everything that we heard about how good Lewis is has gotten into another perspective
You are mistaken, smooth is fast, and if a driver is fighting the car, THATS slow and shows he could go faster without those mistakes. You got the other way around but its an easy mistake to make.
probably due to recency bias and the simple fact that these two cars are much faster, yet merely from the perspective of dominance, i would actually argue mercedes during 2014 ~ 2016 were more in the high ground
Could you also make a telemetry video on the whole Verstappen/Norris collision? If it is actually true that Max did not move his steering under braking?
Do you think that after your great breakdowns and explanations, you could let the split screen laps play out so we could see the difference in real time?
@@LouSassol69er I don't know about that, the W11 had some of the best aero in history. The thing was glued down no matter what, a true masterpiece. Pretty sure the Redbull was far ahead because Newey is the only one on the grid who has worked with ground effect regulations in the past (in the 90s) and the rest of the grid had to collect data to get to the same point. The W11 was pure domination even though every design development phase was on a level playing field.
Unless they bring back V10s I can’t see the class of 24 and onwards beating some of the W11 Records Especially Tracks with Slower Corners like Bahrain , Mugello Turkey 🇹🇷 flip even that Pole Valtari’s Austrian Pole 🥵
Your statement would only make sense if each sector was exactly the same, only facing a different wind direction. In reality, they're not (even the track surface will be different due to bumps, etc), so wind will affect different portions of the track to different degrees.
@@rars0n since the track is mostly shaped in a square aspect ratio, headwind in one direction would almost certainly result in tail wind on a significant portion of the track, the effects would not be equal, but it also wouldn't be a huge differentiator unless the wind changes direction rapidly on a lap
@@chiefdenis Only 2 of the straight segments run roughly parallel to each other (Hangar and Hamilton). Further, the two DRS zones are roughly perpendicular, so if one has a headwind or tailwind, the other has a crosswind. Combine that with all the high-speed corners and that means that the track layout can indeed be significantly affected by wind direction. Remember also that he's comparing two different laps that happened 3 years apart, so wind conditions are totally different for the entirety of each lap.
You’d be surprised to know that Perez is the one who’s constantly getting knocked out of Q1. In his ENTIRE MERCEDES CAREER Bottas made Q3 every single time
Wind had no bearing in Hamilton being faster, he is just faster and a better driver and loses less speed on the corners overall. It's pure skill, and to credit wind for performance is dishonest and doesn't give credit to Lewis's ability to drive faster.
Saying that the wind helped is kinda mid It wasn't the wind, the car was faster on corners than the rb19, on straight line the current gen of cars are faster than the old ones but they're slow on corners
Because the overbody aero typically offer more stable and predictable/consistent downforce and the ground effect dependent cars can be very sensitive to changes in ride height and track surface irregularities. It's not really about the magnitude of the effect.
^Comment above is correct. Another reason is the cost cap. Back before it existed the top 3 teams were spending around $400 million per season to improve their cars, they were allowed to throw money into problems till a solution was found. With the cap being at $135m today on top of a limit to CFD testing it's a lot more cost effective for the teams to iterate proven designs than it is to innovate something that's theoretically better but unproven in the real world.
@@spangles7 Great points as well. Also the last few words of your comment made me think of something. Maybe the red bull, in terms of the undertray, doesn't necessarily yield the highest magnitude(I could be wrong), it could possibly be a case where the ground effect phenomena is more consistent compared to the competition.
It's always nice to compare different gen F1 cars but it's a little bit unfair. W11 was 50kg lighter and could use party mode. That's together at least worth 1.5 sec.
People discussing the difference between the cars, it's worth remembering that they are different regulations, the 2017-2021 regulations favored higher speeds in curves, but in the 2022-2025 regulations the cars have less downforce, which is why they are slower
@@Genshi54697 More like showing how incompetent Hamilton was. Sometimes got beaten by Bottas also. Max Verstappen would have buried Bottas alive and won every race with an such dominant car.
Its really sad that the W11 doesnt exist anymore, they used the w11 chassi for the w12 and thats why max won in abu dhabi 2020 because the w11 was allready the w12 in that race
Uhm, not sure about that. In the 2020 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, Mercedes turned down their engines due to concerns over reliability. Specifically, Mercedes identified a potential issue with the MGU-K on one of their customer cars during the weekend, leading them to take precautionary measures to avoid a potential failure during the race. As a result, both Mercedes cars were running with reduced engine power to ensure they could finish the race without suffering from mechanical problems. Max had serious pace that race, but his comfortable win margin was helped by the decision mentioned above.
They used an Altered W11 chassis for 2021 and called it W12. There were regulations(targeting Mercedes) changes that were made regarding the floor area on the car... Ironically the place where the W11 generated the most downforce, more than any other car. They also had a rule which blocked any major development on the next car. The FIA knew what they were doing when they changed the rules, Mercedes had mastered the regulations nobody was catching them. Ferrari had to cheat to get close.. and Red Bull needed final hour regulation changes to compete and win.........due to Masi.
@Redeemed95 The 2021 regulations weren't to slow down Mercedes; they were to slow everyone down due to safety concerns, and they've been doing this for years. In 2019, 2020, and 2021, they introduced rules to slow the cars down or limit their rapid progression. Evidently, in 2020, it didn't work, so they made sure it did in 2021. Mercedes wasn't a target; everyone was affected, just that high-raked cars suffered less because of the nature of how they produce downforce.
@@raphaelsantiago9387 They were to slow Mercedes down. RedBull got faster after it then pair it with the engine development freeze AFTER Honda improved their engine
I think you should change the line wind helped w11 laptime to '' it was slightly a advantage for w11s laptime. The w11 is already faster and the wind would have just helped some mili seconds. Not even more than a second
Be for real, it took pole position 13 times in a row, ended up taking 15/17 poles. It won 13/17 races and had a 254 points lead in the constructor's championship. It was a very dominant car
En la izquierda un coche que hizo la pole por 1 segundo, y a la derecha el que lo hizo por 2 décimas. Meterles en el mismo saco de dominancia es ridículo. Otra cosa es si hablamos de equipo en su conjunto, pero de coche es un insulto para el W11 ser comparado por el RB19
Bueno, se comparan estos 2 coches porque fueron 2 coches que dominaron en sus respectivas temporadas, el W11 en 2020 y el RB19 en 2023. Todo el mundo sabe que el W11 es muchísimo más rápido por la reglamentación de ese año y por la distancia que sacaba a sus rivales, pero en mi opinión es una comparación interesante comparar 2 coches que dominaron durante toda la temporada
@@magicencamar3216 no he dicho que no se comparen su velocidad, me refería a su dominancia, lo que le sacaban al resto de rivales. Que se compare la velocidad me parece interesante para ver las diferencias entre dos eras de la F1. Pero lo que me parece increíble, desde mi punto de vista, es que se comparen las dominancias de coches cuando Mercedes consiguió las 4 primeras posiciones en Hungría con los coches de 2020 y 2019 y siendo uno de ellos pilotado por Stroll y sacándole 1,3 al siguiente no Mercedes, eso creo que habla por si solo
@@jorgepedrazap totalmente, y aún hay que leer a gente decir que Mercedes no ha hecho el coche más dominante, y es que no sólo Mercedes hizo el W11, de 2014 a 2016 ganaban con una mano a excepción de muy pocas carreras
Yeah I understand what you mean, but the video is more to show how they compare in specific parts of the track, not overall. For instance the gap created at the final chicane would be less noticeable if the gap from T6 had remained throughout the video
F2004 with modern slicks would compete with RB19, cause it also lacks modern technology. W11 was the pinnacle of fastest track car ever which would maybe go on to beat Porsche Evo
@@manishapadave8390bro F2004 was extremely light and nimble making it very fast and it also had a monstrous V10, no way can RB19 pose a competition to it with slicks, and 2018 until 2020(maybe 21) f1 cars are faster than the Porsche 919 evo.
@@ibrahimalatrash8008 Shoot forgot about the weight!!! Sorry Yea then it would smoke 19, if they had that tech back in those days 04 would be the fastest machine on track no doubt.
