Am I missing something??? I keep reading all the "experts" talking about right rudder in the comments, but this plane was not veering left on the takeoff roll, and was not yawing during the very brief flight. I think the poor guy just had to much back pressure on the elevator, and jumped it off before reaching flying speed. It was a bonehead move, a most unfortunate accident, and a sad end to a very gorgeous plane. However, some guys on here need to cut the guy a break. He dumb thumbed a nice bird into the ground. It happens. If you haven't done it, you WILL. Don't sit here, be armchair commandos, and act like it could never happen to you. I did it with a P47 that I had forgot to put the flaps up on. The plane started to nose over, I tried to catch it with elevator, and jumped it off. Luckily, I was able to roll into the throttle and save it. This guy learned a very expensive lesson, and so did many others who were there, and many who watched the video. Don't ever bash a fellow RC pilot like that! No matter how dumb it looked, we have all been there at one time or another.
+transformer889 No, I think he just didn't have enough speed.It didn't look like he was using much, if any, flap. My issue with the flaps was due to the way they caused that particular plane to nose over. I over-reacted, pulled too much elevator, and inadvertently took off too early. It was a much smaller plane, and very overpowered. That's all that saved me.
+cAS NIL I think the engine torque plays a great part in these type of crash, the powerful engine wide open make the plane jump into the air and once the ground effect is gone the plane does a torque roll,
If he had flown a few small foamie, warbirds first he would have been used to the correct take-off and landing techniques required..........Fly'em like the full size aircraft and you won't go far wrong !!!
Sorry to see this happen. Yes, as has been said, not enough airspeed to fly and lifted off way to soon. The cause also due to the pilot standing behind the aircraft. Much harder to tell how fast the aircraft is going. Also harder to tell aircraft orientation in particular in pitch. Always stand to the side.
+mach533x its not a total loss, fact is it looks very repairable to me. Besides you do not start out with one of those. That would be a 4th or 5th airplane and maybe two or three years of working up to flying a giant scale Corsair.
Pitch forward to get the tail up, then keep it straight down the runway till you get flying speed. If you keep the stick back like that you will stall. Science works like that.
By neutralizing that full up elevator and raising the tail, that Corsair would have lifted off on it's own, with minimal back pressure on the stick, when adequate flying speed was achieved. Sad end to a beautiful warbird. Looks fixable though.
Robert Theflyinhawaiian Exactly. But everyone only sees the resultant roll over and thinks it was torque turning it. Other than some rudder input after I throttle up, I am pretty sure my tail draggers will take off without any control inputs.
Absolutely..fly the tail to get wings at the correct angle to give lift and it fly itself...he was standing behind the model which may suggest he lacks experience...when you have sufficient skills most people stand at right angles to the model...sadly as usual all the gear and no idea...sadly see it all too often on U tube...👍👍
I'm really sorry to see that happen. I remember my 1st Byron's Corsair and my buddies telling me to be sure to have airspeed before trying to lift off as well as keeping up the airspeed on landing. Big warbirds need airspeed as they do not have the power to weight ratio of the smaller RC planes. Good luck on the repairs and let's see your successful flights!
He was lucky it maybe repairable. maybe a bit more of a rollout with a bit more speed before rotation would have stopped the tip stall crash! Beautiful plane, such a shame
Aileron drag is more noticeable at low speed when the ailerons are deflected further, the aileron that is down in the airflow will create drag and slow that wing, this will turn the plane away from the direction you want to go. When the wings are close to stall speed the aileron that is down can stall that wing by in effect increasing its angle, conversely the aileron that is up can act like washout and un stall that side allowing that side to fly, this creates the opposite effect to your intentions.
You seem to be one of the few that grasped this. As it turned left, the pilot put in right aileron and that just made it worse. Differential aileron set up is so important but seldom seen in rc because this phenomina is not understood.
I'm not going to beat you up over the crash. I'm sure you've done that to yourself already. Thanks for posting the video. Serves as a good reminder to us all never to force a large bird in the air before it is ready, or bad things could happen.
It's obvious what happened. To much elevator with no air speed. He was right to use the elevator on the very beginning just to prevent a nose over but should have went to neutral on the elevator as soon as the plane started rolling. Get the tail up THEN pull back a little on the elevator. This is one of my favorite prop planes of all.
beautiful model. i hope he fixed it. warbirds are hard to fly. a good dog fighter is inherently unstable. short coupling and high power make the corsair prone to torque stall. as soon as he prematurely left the ground, the steep angle bled off what little airspeed he had. with no air over the wings, they stalled and engine torque took over. i did this to my foam Pitts Special
Looks like a stall on take off. Elevator rates maybe too high? if you look at elevator deflection just prior to rotation, looks like way up there. Plane over rotated and promptly stalled. Don't ask me how I know.
My dad was stationed in Zweibrucken Germany back in the early 70's. I went to school at a local Army base and German was required class for students. I know just enough German to know that he was using some "4 letter" words to express his disappointment.
Looks like a real radial motor too. Must be at least $5000 in that bird not including his Jeti transmitter. $$$$ does not equal a good pilot. He broke every warbird take off rule... 101 beginner lessons. good lord. Should not have been the pilot... oh well.
I started to get into this hobby and then a friend of mine who was into it big time made a beautiful and rather large P 51 and crashed it on take off like this Corsair owner did! He had a couple of thousand dollars in it and countless man-hours making it! I figured this wasn't what I wanted to do!
When the plane breaks relatively cleanly like that (there are not parts strewn all over the landscape), is there reasonable hope that repair costs will be low?
You have to fly the tail and get sufficient air speed to get the wings at correct angle of attack to generate lift before wrenching it into the sky...👍👍
Took off without enough air speed. The torque put the plane into a stall and rolled it. With scale models like this it is essential to stay on the runway as long as possibe before rotating.The plane will lift off before its actually ready to do so. Keep it rolling and fight the urge to take off immediatly If its heavy its gonna need alot of airspeed over the wings to keep it from stallling and going into a spin.
Full size Corsairs didn't the room to do this on Aircraft Carriers.............but the planes often dipped slightly as the left the end of the flight deck.............ones that "hauled off" got very wet in the same manner as this model !! .
MaydayRC no he crashed because his angle of attack was too large and the plane not only stalled but fell back to earth out of the air long before he could recover. If it had simply stalled due to insufficient airspeed at a higher altitude, it would not necessarily have crashed.
touristguy87 There was NO rudder correction, or aileron correction, and too much elevator.............The guy was NOT a skilled model flyer................Simples !!
That SHOULD happen MORE than it does...... It is because of the "STAND OFF SCALE" that Top Flite does on there warbirds, we don't see this much (H9 is new to the 50cc warbird scene) and they are more TRUE TO SCALE.... Such, they must be flown scale..... not like a high wing trainer..
Robert Olsen It is most unlikely that right rudder would have saved it. The plane was tracking straight until the premature lift-off.............It may have had equal up and down aileron movements, which at a high angle of attack is the text book recipe for adverse yaw..............where the plane rolls one way by simultaneously yaws the opposite way !!!
He held full up elevator for the takeoff run, aircraft stalled - simple as that. He never relaxed back pressure - watch the elevator in the video. Upon liftoff the plane torque rolled to the left - just like the full scale version! Hmmm.
Too much elevator on low speed, low speed stall. 100% pilot error. Good to know how to buy or build that RC model, but he must lear how to fly with much smaller and cheaper models, before he go to bigger and much more money models. Not everyone pilot are able to admit that I do not have for that.
Yep, he kept very aggressive aft pressure on the sticks (elevator up) during takeoff roll and didn't even release it after airborne, thus airplane went immediatly in stall condition and crashed. My guess he would have saved the plane if he would have released a bit of the back pressure, but I started way too soon with it anyway. 2 basic errors = plane lost = time to put yourself in question
Sorry about your bird! I paused it at :35 and noticed the flaps on the right wing are partially down and the flaps on the left wing are up. Had this happen once to me but was fortunately able to get control and bring it around.
I have never flown an RC model before , but I plan on building and learning to fly on the large scale Corsair, and hopefully my maiden flight can be on an extremely windy day.....because I like a challenge....
on second thought, forget flying the Corsair for my first RC flight, as that would be silly.....I am going to build and fly an RC helicopter, during a hurricane for my first flight... being sure to 3D ......LOL
What a terrible pilot. Jammed the elevator full up as soon as he got a little bit of speed. Not even a small foamy warbird is forgiving enough for an error like this.
Looks to me like he never eased the elevator as it gained speed as to start flying the tail, then lift off. He held it all in for ground control and once it got enough speed to fly, just lifted off and stalled. Nice to see people with money crashing expensive r/c's. I crashed a foam P-51 and I was pissed to say the least. That plane cost what this guy probably paid for the prop lol .
Nope (TheFinalApproach) if you look, he actually jammed elevator full at start and never eased off once it started rolling. Hes not a terrible pilot , just lacks experience and flying something well beyond his skills. Sadly its a common practice, but I do understand the impulse to want to fly a nice plane when you are starting out. If you look around utube many ppl (even experienced ones) take off with far to much elevator and then steep climbs,on foamies they often get away with it, but not with one of these...
The full up elevator on the takeoff roll was Not the first mistake! The standing Behind the plane was! You can always tell an inexperienced flyer that should have sleeked out an experienced Warbird flier. The transmitter tray is no substitute for flying experience. Plus, I always have a trusted warbird piolet friend ready to help, on madden flights. . Could be he's figured it out by now.
HEY, ask a corsair pilot, that plane on takeoff has a tendency for the left wing to dip and then the nose plows in, I wold of made the same mistake if i didnt know either.
all the gear and no idea! he pulled on the elevator before the tail had even come up, no way the plane was at flying speed, such a shame, was an expensive mistake that was easily avoided.
I didn't read all the comments but what I did read didn't show the whole cause of this crash. Yes he needed to use more rudder. The plane started left and if he had let the tail come up it would of gone more left from P-factor. The biggest reason this plane crashed was the pilot standing behind the plane for the takeoff and a stall. Very hard to judge your speed when standing that far back and behind the plane. I guess standing behind helps in keeping the plane straight but that obviously failed as well and this plane crash was caused by a stall. Rudder might of kept it going or it might have led to a more violent tip stall. Stand mid runway and start your takeoff from the far end of the runway. Use all the runway you have and lift off when the model has reached a safe speed to do so.
Sch.... Ist das richtige Wort. Schade um die schöne Corsair. Wenn man Modellflug Macht gehört das leider dazu. Tut aber trotzdem immer weh wenn man sowas sieht. Die ganze Arbeit mal eben in einer Sekunde auf die andere kaputt.
I know this is an old video but I have watched it a lot throughout the years. As years pass I learn more about RC airplanes and characteristics. I do agree with the past comments about the elevator being pulled up too long causing the plane to lift off the ground too early causing a tip stall but to add to this problem he is driving this plane with a Saito radial engine with a lot of torque. In the end he rotated his plane over more quickly.
All you pro's... If truth be told,, I'm betting "balance".. That is the hanger-9 corsair,,,they fly GREAT... no reason for that to happen except for balance... it was tail heavy on take off... To bad for this guy.... I have done that,,its not fun!!!
Have you got eyes, there was no rudder input, ailerons don't work at that speed and angle of attack, you can see he was on the aileron but not the rudder.
zum Strömungsabriss,den er selbst verursachte.. kam das "Problem" mit dem Torque des Motors der das Flugzeug nach links driften ließ..Elementarer Fehler des Piloten war aber das man einen Taildragger nicht in 3 Punktlage von der Bahn reißt,der nicht annähernd sicher Flugfähig war was er tat, als er merkte das er sonst ins hohe Gras geraten würde.Ein Startabbruch wäre hier richtiger und sicherer gewesen.Pilotenfehler
It does look like the elevator was up all the time, it got up to quick, if it had just a little more ground speed before lifting up it would have been ok.
the guy simply did not act properly at elevator. I'm sure EVERYBODY did this mistake (bigger or smaller). Simply you too focus on take off that you do not realise your finger still in "taxi" elevetor position while rolling. Yea seems a silly mistake looking from outside; equally understandable in certain "tension" moments.
Lol why is this guy flying such an expensive plane when he's clearly a beginner flyer? You do NOT hold up elevator while taking off on a tail dragger once you start your takeoff. The tail automatically raises and requires only slight right rudder correction if your plane is setup correctly and you don't just gun the throttle from 0 to 100%
ive never stalled on takeoff or landing. i allow the plane to fly itself off the ground. jamming the throttle and holding up elevator means tip stall. it will roll in direction of engine torque and nose into the ground. looks like a classic case of going from a floaty trainer to a giant warbird. you have to actually fly the airframe on a warbird. you cannot just jam throttle and yank them into the sky and run em about like a rc car. i fly 3 different corsair and a stuka
wow It hurt When this happens Twice happened to me on a smaller scale Crosswind and needed trimming on my second one It seems that he did not have speed
was man in dem video sieht schwerer piloten fehler nicht lange genug gewartet bis der arsch hoch geht und zu stark gezogen warhscheinlich auch noch leichter seitenwind. am motor lags nicht früher hat man auch mit wenig ccm größere modelle geflogen das ging auch ohne probleme nur brauchte man mehr übung die heutigen flieger sind halt zu sehr arf modelle gewohnt mit viel zu starken motor.
Even though this was a beautiful plane and it hurt me to watch it get driven into the ground by the unfortunate pilot this comment is by far the best and most accurate one on the board. Thanks for the laugh. Bahahahahhahahahahhaha!!!!!
Hallo Freund! Das ist wirklich schade, dass aenliche Sachen passiren koennen. Das kostet wirklich zu teuer. Ich habe auch aenliches Modell F-4U von ESM aufgebaut. Aber ich habe die Scheissangst vor dem ersten Flug. Du bist the Man. Bestimmt hast du alles schon repaririert und viel Glueck von Fluegen gehabt. Liebe Gruesse aus Russland!
Wow...very sad. Classic error that many might have made. "GET OFF THAT ELEVATOR" until you get some speed build up and lift under those wings. Most generally a well built plane will lift off nearly by itself.
Not really funny , Its sad to watch... flying a nice plane with not enough experience, pretty common occurrence. And this sounds like a radial engine too... ohh the crime of it... He would have felt crap after that...
Interesting crash. From the video description, it sounds like it was a stall at too low of an airspeed. I can't tell exactly, but it doesn't look like the pilot tried to correct with rudder. I can see the ailerons fully deflected which isn't a good idea in a stall :-( Best to correct with rudder if a stall is imminent.
touristguy87 "Coffin corner" and high G turns; both of these can cause what are called 'high speed stalls'... Stalling can occur at almost any airspeed if provoked in the right scenario.
RoboTekno nice try but you failed to dodge the point A) wings do not stall because they are at too high of an airspeed. They stall because the wings' angle of attack exceeds the critical angle of attack for that wing-design. B) IN THIS CASE the plane didn't even stall. It just flew in a circle until it flew back into the ground. It was already turning to the left before it even lifted the nose and left the ground.
touristguy87 I never said wings "stall because they are at too high of an airspeed"... In the case of the model aircraft in the video, it looks like a standard tip stall in my opinion. Perhaps due to the pilot not anticipating the left turning/rolling tendencies associated with mainly prop powered aircraft; P-factor, engine/prop torque, etc. Also there is no way of knowing for sure if the wing stalled or not without some kind of pressure data or flow vis. on the wing. So either of us could be right... In my opinion, I can see the left wing drop slightly just after take off and I can see the left wing 'drop/roll' again just before it hits the ground. Just my opinion... We gotta be on that rudder, especially for taildragger planes.
RoboTekno I did not say that you said that. It isn't a question of airspeed as much as angle of attack. That was the point! also it didn't stall anyway it just flew a left turn back into the ground enough already
Agreed with right rudder input. With all of that torque and slipstream pushing tail right, it’s going to turn left and roll of no input is made. I was also somewhat amazed that some in the crowd couldn’t contain their laughter and jubilation over someone wreaking a beautiful plane. It’s like and uncontrolled response and inability to contain themselves. I’d be super pissed. I’m
