No one saw Eddows's body because it was in near total darkness. The two lamps in the square were barely more than bright candles, and her body wasn't close to one. The officer on patrol saw her because he had a lantern and she was in his path. It's morbidly impressive that the killer was able to do his mutilations so quickly in near total darkness.
As true as that is, it's bizzare how nothing was heard from it. As you may recall, there was a retired PC cleaning a warehouse across the square. If you take in the actual size of the Mitre Square, its baffiling how nothing was heard. The area was and still is smaller than what is depicted in the video.
@@daisuke910 you also have to take into account that it was likely the woman and the man talking was not the victim and Jack, but rather bystanders in the area. Eyewitnesses are correct only about half the time.
"Oh it's him, it's definitely him." -Lav every time someone gets accused of the murders And this, dear viewers, is why you have to be specially trained to be an investigator!
I 100% would NOT want Lav on my jury if I were innocent. He'd vote guilty before my trial even started. She has a piece of lint on her coat! Its definitely her! She did the murder!
Enjoying your vids mate. Just a brief point about the two chaps walking away to get to work (as that's as far as I've got so far) - just remember that murder was "a daily occurrence" back then in that area, and the suffering, misery and struggle everyone was going through hardened them to things they saw, albeit still horrific and shocking in the moment. Jobs were incredibly scarce, and to have one meant turning up or you get the sack, because there are likely hundreds lined up to take your place for less pay. There weren't the same rights and freedoms we have today (obviously), and telling Mr Big "sorry boss I was late becau--" just wouldn't cut it. Nowadays it'd be like "holy shit" and a week off for trauma, but yeah. The choices were work for a daily hunk of bread, or literally starve. All I know is, a poor person in Victorian London must have been utterly, utterly miserable. Appreciate your vids tho.
I'm late to the party, but if you're interested in more suspects, I would look into Nathan Kaminsky/David Cohen. It's possible that the high ranking officials on the case mistook Kaminsky for Kosminski, being unused to Polish names. Nathan matches the description that they placed on Aaron Kosminski much more than Aaron does. He was confined to an institution in 1889 and died not long after, and was described as much more violent. There are some problems with him being suspect, but I believe he's one of the more likely ones.
I think Kaminski is very likely to be Jack the Ripper. He has the most compelling argument against him I've heard for any suspect. If it's not Kaminski, Lechmere is my #2. I think Mary Jane Kelly was NOT a Ripper victim and was murdered by Barnett
I watched this when Lemmino posted it. You are correct; he is next level. He puts you in the scene and parses out the geography in a way that makes it come alive.
I’m glad you posted this. I wasn’t able to watch the whole stream since I was at the gym when you were streaming. Lemmino’s Jack The Ripper video is so good, it made me see more to the story than what I’m used to knowing. Basically, I knew of the general stuff, but the research and full story is so complex, yet amazing to hear
Based on Tumbelty's charges that he fled from...I'm thinking he was probably gay. They're all listed "acts of gross indecency" with men. That'd also explain the dinner party with all men.
In the early 2000’s I heard a radio interview with an author who has an interesting take on the case: 1) make a timeline of similar murders all over the world, 2) make a database of ship passenger manifests in this time segment, 3) see if there’s anyone who was in London at the time of the Ripper, and in other places when similar unsolved cases occurred. If I remember the interview correctly, there were at least a couple people who had opportunity to be J.T.R. and commit similar crimes in the U.S. and continental Europe, and one who had a minor medical Background, like working as a surgeon’s assistant, back before that required special schooling. It’s the closest I’d ever heard to a clear suspect, but ive not heard it brought up by any researchers since and I have no recollection of the book or author name 😢.
I've heard the Villisca Axe murders which are still unsolved to have possibly been done by JTR and the lived very close to a railway station so they theorized the murderer jumped on the train out of town immediately which is notable because there is another gory murder on that train line around the same time.
There are a ton of documentaries, tv shows and movies about Jack the Ripper. I would say the best known in the USA is the Johnny Depp movie, “From Hell”.
the important part about the "they continued to work isntead of searching for help" part...in those times,..you worked day to day... if you were late.. you were fired, if you were slow you were fired....and with the wages paid to those people, there was no "saving" so either you came to work and got paid at the end of the day.... or you could wave your job goodbye
There are "Ripperologists" who study this crime. You can go to London and take a tour of the entire series of crimes that are pretty interesting. I think it was a butcher or slaughterhouse worker, myself. The White Chapel area is quite developed now, but if you are into true crime, it's quite an interesting tour if you get it with more academic sorts, than the the fake Cockney ghoul guides. It ends at Liverpool station, so you can pretty much get anywhere from there.
I've seen it many times. Thurston seems a bit sensitive (not saying that in a derogatory way!) based on his reactions to the description of how the victims were killed...so I'd agree that he should not look it up. It isn't for the squeamish!
I remember when we learned about Jack the Ripper in History class when I was like 12 years old I had to cut out a picture of it to stick in my textbook (Same with the Catherine Eddowes’ post-mortem image that I feel is almost equally horrifying)
What was especially entertaining when he was doing those reactions was his ignorance of the sports, specifically American football. His genuine excitement and interest in learning about it was an endearing quality. There's probably a connection to the plateau of subscribers and the moments he began to transition from curious inquisitor to knowledgeable fan. Maybe he could try hockey? It doesn't have the large base of fans like football but it is sizable. Hockey has some qualities that American football has and will be somewhat reminiscent of his English football.
Two biggest mysteries in Britain. Who was Jack the Ripper and what happened to the Princes in the Tower? Israel was a pretty common name back then. I have 4 ancestors named that. Spelling wasn't standardized until the mid 1800s. So, those writing were likely students before that. If they went to school.
While it was a century ago, the doctor can tell how long the body has been dead. Judging by it and the time of report, it is safe to say the doctor or police can tell the one who call for the report to the patrol is not the perpetrator.
I watched this pretty good video making a case that Charles Cross was JTR or had at least killed the one woman he was standing over alone when the other guy came upon him. I always thought plot twist the women were just murdered by random people and for once the cops made a big deal so people started sending creepy mail (trolling before it was cool) and they saw one troll call himself jack the ripper and that is the enduring mystery. Lol
In 1988 on the 100th anniversary of the killings the FBI looked at all of the evidence and prepared a profile of the killer. To quote John Douglas the head of the FBI's behavioral science unit "Kosminski or someone just like him was Jack the Ripper."
On Wikipedia they have a theory where someone named David Cohen (British version of John Doe) is the killer with a very similar story to Kosminski. The person under this name is theorized to be Nathan Kaminski, close enough to Kosminski to where investigators messed up his last name. Kaminski was diagnosed with syphilis in 1888 and a month after the Mary Jane Kelly murder, he was sent to an asylum where he was extremely violent and died in October 1889. It's by far the most compelling argument I've heard against any suspect so far.
It may not of been a doctor or a butcher at all. It could’ve also been a corpse examiner, Gravedigger or caretaker (for a cemetery), Morticians, Forensics pathologist or Paleontologist. How many jobs the deal with dead bodies more than what I can remember at the moment. But if you think about it There were speculation that he didn’t have Medical knowledge therefore it could’ve been someone who figured it out over time through their job. The truth is we may never really know what happened so it will remain history locked as they say in theories.
Even today, I don't put much weight into a person's alibi. But in the 1880's I would imagine an alibi was pretty much useless, as there were no ways to really verify. All a person would have to do then would be to ask their friend to say they were out with them on the night of a murder, and it was only their word that the police went by. Atleast today, we have cctv footage almost everywhere we go and in every store or business we go into or pass by. We have the ability to track a persons cell phone to find out where they were and where the victims phone was at the time of the murder, etc, which could prove or disprove a suspects whereabouts at the time in question.
It is quite a shame that Lemmino had to censor and not say half the things the killer did with those poor women... The defilement that occurred was beyond belief.
Do not under any circumstances Google the name Mary Jane Kelly, you'll see pictures of her body and I've heard it's something that never leaves your mind because of how brutal it is
Lemmino is a great content creator honestly. If you like his content but watched it all, there are a few more channels that make great documentaries. Barely sociable, Fredrick kneudson (probably spelled that wrong) Nexpo, and dark docs are a few channels
There were only 5 victims, all prostitutes, and may very well have known each other. The case garnered attention from all walks of life which, given the violence and crime of the East End, was surprising. The victims were Mary Ann Nichols, Annie Chapman, Elizabeth "Long Liz" Stride, Catherine Eddowes, Mary Jane Kelly. Several investigative authors have implicated the Physician William Gull and the artist Walter Sickert.
I'm thinking maybe the person didn't actually have anatomical knowledge per se... the 1st murder was just pure stab wounds with no precision, so maybe Jack was trying to find whatever was inside the stomach and which place would be the best to get the organs out well... and then implemented them later on...
I'm a huge chicken and would never have been brave enough to watch this video myself, somehow watching it in your reaction video makes it slightly more bearable. It's still really terrifying though!
He said he wants to react to sports of either channel, but he can't due to copyright. Kinda sucks because everybody, even Luka himself wants to react to sports. He did dip his toes in sports a few weeks ago via soccer/football. I guess he got copyrighted.
Frightene Kelly off the streets, or ensure that she makes more money? This would allow for an accomplice to the murders, and one whom personally knew the other victims.... possibly even held a grudge against them..... In the end perhaps he wanted to stop but she wanted to continue..... or perhaps he was planning to murder her the entire time, and having a secure location and an accomplice whom trusted him he was able to act out his full desire....... Perhaps she wanted to quit, and he decided that she would be the next due to this..... Or perhaps in the end two can keep a secret when one is dead, so he ended her tying off a loose end, while taking any and all money earned through their criminal Acts before fleeing or continuing on as usual, but most of all getting rid of someone he was tired of....... This would also explain her excessive drinking whenever seen....
I suggest react to "The Mexican American Border" series by Kraut. It's a very amazing series detailing how the society in both countries are different.
I don't think it's him, but I think it's someone similar to him. Personally, I think it's Nathan Kaminski. It's close enough to where investigators may have confused his name with Kosminski. Kaminski was diagnosed with syphilis in 1888 and a month after the Mary Jane Kelly murder, he was sent to an asylum where he was extremely violent and died in October of 1889. It's by far the most convincing argument I've seen so far
Very well done by Lemmino, as usual. Hope this works out for you despite the length - I know you've been interested in reacting to documentaries & longer stuff. Wasn't an issue for me; I'm generally down for this type of thing and this was a good one. Just may be awhile before I get the chance to watch. Keep it up.
Luka you MUST react to this documentary on Charles Cross being Jack the Ripper: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TAelWV2iaK4.html Id love to get your thoughts on it. I think it's the strongest case that's ever been made for any suspect.
No offense intended at all but you seem to misunderstand a lot of things For clarity, they werent trying to say its a butcher or a doctor. They specifically stated in the quote it NOT being a butcher. And they suggested someone who works with bodies POST-MORTUM. Also, that person i think was suggesting the jack the ripper case contributed to forensics as in... that thing that happens in real life investigations that inspire tv programs. Not that jack the ripper inspired forensic tv shows
I can't fully explain my fascination with this. Like it's one thing to watch a murder documentary about say the Zodiac Killer, or Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy....but the fact that this took place in the 1800s adds a whole weird twist on it. I think it's just weird to know that every single last person surrounding the case is now dead. I'm also weirded about by the concept of someone leaving a multi-story apartment building in a big city at 3am...and it's the 1880s. Like I didn't even know apartment buildings were a thing back then. The whole concept of a "City That Never Sleeps" doesn't strike me as a 19th century concept either.
Some people needed to be up super early because they often had to walk quite long distances to get to their place of work. Being on time was so important back in those days, which is why the fact that Charles and Paul, despite having come across a dead body were still making it a point to get to work on time. Because back then there would have been many other people willing to take your job if you weren't punctual enough.
And they also had nowhere near the same technology we do today. Forensics and detective work back then were in their infancy. Jack, if his crimes happened today, almost certainly would've been caught, in my non-expert opinion.
9:27 well u gotta understand that they were all kinda broke back then and if they didnt go to work they might get fired. And then they have no job. And are honeless. And they were gunna find a cop on the way if they saw one.
Thurstan check out a couple of books, this video is not the best. A great book is "Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution" by Stephen Knight. Another, although slow moving, is Patricia Cornwall's book, "Portrait of a Killer: Jack the Ripper -Case Closed.
There are crime scene photos of Kelly. Not a good sight to see as you can imagine, but there are some out there. If you are interested in how badly she had been mutilated.
Be really careful with real crime scene photos. Know yourself before you ever look at one. They can affect you in a greater way than you realize. First time I saw one I actually had my first ever panic attack and it affected me permanently. No matter how gruesome of horror movies you've seen, there's something entirely different in seeing a glimpse of the real thing.
When studying for my degree in behavioral psychology, the study of serial killers was a requirement. Modern stories, ancient stories, and not so ancient stories were all studied and profiled. Within the Ripper scholar community; it is usually accepted that Tumblety was most likely the ripper. It is true that there are many theories, about many people, but he is usually accepted as having been the ripper amongst most ‘ripper scholars’. When dealing with the kind of serial killer that would do what Jack the Ripper did: it would not be entirely out of character to see actions like Tumblety’s charges for gross indecency with other men nor his con man antics back in the US; psychologically speaking.
Can you explain why? All the descriptions of the Ripper have him being on the stout side and Tumblety was a huge, broad shouldered American. He would've stuck out like a sore thumb surely?
I’m not saying I ever would or am the type of person. But if I was ever in England and hiring myself a lady of the night and she asked me my name... it would be pretty funny to just say Jack and look her dead in the eyes 😂😂😂
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Some women change their middle names after they get married so they can take their husband's last name but also keep their family name as part of their name. Maybe he just isn't sure which she did.
