Well, who's the better/higher ranked player. And what position do they play? A jungle player, who observes the map and all characters, who's also higher ranked, is 100% the player that's going to have a higher understanding. He may be talking about only high elo tho to be fair. At lower ranks maybe he's wrong.
@@bobross4616 oh I’m not placing my opinion on the matter cause I don’t play Ullr much. When I do he’s fun and that’s all I care about. I just think the response is funny XD
@@bobross4616you realize if you ask different masters players they will all have slightly different opinions. No one person has the best opinion. Everyone's biased. Inters3ct can have a ton of valid points the same as weak3n
Homie took the ullr thing personally 😭😭 Jokes aside, yes, ppl r going to have different opinions when discussing different skill rating and I thinks it’s wonderful!
Different opinions don’t mean they are right, ULLR is one of the hardest gods to play for anyone. His community that watches him are a bunch of bronze/silver/gold players.
@@mattgibney4085go watch Bobby's video on this. His top 10 is different than weak3ns. I mentioned Bobby because he's a pro and apparently only pros can have opinions according to you
Weaken is a great player and i definitely watch his vids, but the main thing i dislike is that his whole personality is "im louder so im right and because i think im right youre stupid"
He gets loud cause he is passionate. I agree though he has very extreme opinions and exaggerates them. The best example imo is Zhong Kai. He went from hating on him saying he is the worst God in the game by far. Then makes quite a few videos on him with AA builds in solo, jungle, adc, and mid having a fun time.
@@nathaniels9141 there's being passionate and there's being an ass, there's being a dick for no reason and then there's informing someone ignorant to something they don't know, there's being loud and then there's weaken screaming at the top of his lungs over anything that doesn't match his opinion. But yea he does that a lot- " this God is unplayable dog water. So let me proceed to play the god and make videos over how the god can be played."
I always figured being controversial gets people to watch but I've never watched weaken do anything. He's just that annoying neighbor you can hear through the apartment wall raging at a video game.
He can get loud but if you listen to what he said he is right. Tell me what did Weak3n say that was wrong? That tier list he made was a joke, I’d love to see where every single one of his viewers are ranked. I guarantee it’s a bunch of bronze-gold players, this coming from a diamond player
and this is why people think MOBAs are toxic. a simple POLL OF THE AVERAGE COMMUNITY was "wrong" to Weak3n, like bro, its not YOUR poll, its a community poll. most players in Smite are plat or lower for a reason but, again this about averages over a strict 1-130 list. also a "bad" god is not lowskill and visa verse
but like highest skill god Awilix is f ing troll. dude she is my number 1 ban because shes brain dead easy and hardest god in game to get away from. the most skill you can get out of her is having a fast enough reaction to get a knock-up from your 2 when you flip behind enemy. her cooldowns are ridiculously low. you can't miss 2 of them. literally impossible to miss. your 2 out trades any god besides crit. and if they try to run they die. if they walk backwards you keep autoing their face god is literally no skill.
@@ShawnRaz87 I doubt that entirely to be honest, at least since they entered their professional careers. Even if you're counting scrims that we don't see, they are rarely taken as seriously and have larger numbers than tournament matches. Obviously the teams try and coordinate, but it's still just a scrim. And as I see it no other player has performed that badly in a tournament. I like weaken, but lets be realistic lol.
I like how Weak3n keeps bringing up how hard serqet is; the character he plays and like so much that he made his logo based on her. It's like he's saying ‘no the character that I like is harder than all these characters, I swear I'm good’
how is his logo based on serq? don’t know much about weak3n like that but his logo doesn’t look anything similar to representing serqet, woukd just like to be informed
I was going to make a "Set is a W-key god but Lancelot isn't?" comment but then I remembered that Lancelot actually ISN'T a W-key god, because his 3 holds W for you!
Keep making great content, your videos are incredibly informative and I appreciate your positive outlook you put on everything! Your videos make it very easy to keep up with the changing meta, thank you for all the hard work and research you put into these!! 🤙🏻
I 100% agree with your take on Serquet, the difference between landing your 2 and missing it is the difference between rendering someone completely helpless to somewhat in trouble. In fact I would argue correct positioning in a teamfight with Serqet is the hardest part because ideally getting your ult to pop on someone about to die so you poison the whole enemy backline is way harder than landing W consistently.
@yammoto148 it was just funny because I know there are some people who do play with normal moba binds for abilities so they will use w for the 2 and its wild to me
@@mxm_prime2191 Its a force of habit, I am dyslexic and I have to use coping mechanisms to spell words properly so I end up always putting a U after Q.
if they designed swk recently, his 72 transformations would be like ishtar's 1 where you press 1, 2 or 3 to pick among bird, tiger and ox, they should honestly make that change tho
wouldn't that make him a bit slower though? just an extra click that can waste time. I'm used to the current version. if anything, make it like yemoja, where the large middle is tiger, while looking straight down or up would change to bird or ox.
I believe people are confusing comfortablity with easy. Neith is a comfortable pick to play but isnt the easiest. Ama is kinda awkward to play for alot of people but her kit is very easy. Also for me set is a akward pick for me and has a easy to understand kit.
This is why I like steamers like you versus weak3n! You actually look at things from your audience and the community as a whole and take our opinions and respect them AND you want to hear our thoughts. Where as weak3n only cares about his own opinions and he’s “always right” but the game is more complex and each character alone is going to appear more difficult or easy to different people and YOU respect that where he does not! I really appreciate your content
I mean being a professional player your opinion holds more weight than your average gold shitter that’s not even just towards weak3n but the scene in general.
Weaken is 120% correct and as a diamond player there are so many gods on the tier list that should not have been there. Anyone who disagrees share your user and show us you at the bare minimum are plat. I can tell everyone in his community are a bunch of bronze/silve/gold players
I like how Inter and Weaken spend a stream and video respecting each other, and sharing a shoutout at the end for everyone to shit on Weaken in the comments
I'm with Weaken on Ullr. If I see one on the enemy team they are either entirely dogshit or absolutely nuts. Only a skill gap can make that happen. A good Ullr player makes the god look effortless, that doesn't mean that he is. I will say, however, that his combo is infinitely easier to land now that his axe got buffed.
Some people confuse simple to understand for simple to use. Ra is 2 lines and 2 circles but requires much better timing, positioning and teamwork to perform vs something like MLF who’s abilities have a lot text but really you can just toss that shit off CD and all the little side stuff is just a cherry on top.
While I agree with the concept of this argument, if you play MLF without understanding her passive, you are playing a different much worse character than someone who consistently manages her passive and is constantly getting the bonus damage/ult CD and size.
mechanics are such a small part of difficulty to me, like all ullr has to do is land an axe on a squishy and its a free kill, if you miss run away, you have a jump and a movement speed buff so youre super hard to catch and youre rewarded for being aggressive on top of that
I loved watching both opinions and can't wait for your reaction of Weak3ns list. I agreed and disagreed with both and I love that respect was given to each!
the thing with yem is she has the 3 that has more impact in a teamfight than any other abil in her kit, her stun 1 is hard to hit mechanics issue imo the ult can do so many things outside of just locking people in. It can force movement abilitys for better engage, separate the teamfight, using for omi regen, space control and so on
I watched weaken stream right after this and man ran straight into a 1v5 with set and then roasted his solo for doing the same. Some jokes write themselves
SWK is the easiest to gank? wtf is Weak3n smoking? Dude bird form , his ult , so many ways to escape ganks. You would have to cc him for the entire burst
he is if youre a good jungler, until his 3rd or 4th item hes so squishy since you CANT build defense first and sometimes not even 2nd. if you have good blinks and dont miss all your fucking abilities swk is going to be very low and then successful gank
I mean he explained what he meant. Wukong is squishy early since he is building damage most cases, so most cases, if you quickly cc and burst him, he will be forced to leave lane. That makes him lose farm. And puts your own solo laner ahead. A successful gank, as he said, does not require the enemy dying. Making them leave lane to heal is enough.
For the set argument he is harder to play in every gamemode than conquest with the exception of joust. The reason is simple your early is a bit weaker because you are forced to put points in the 1,2 and 3 at level 3 while other gods like thor for example can lvl the 1 or 3 twice and basically always outtrade you from the start of the game and you lack hard CC to self peel and there are many slow immunities in the game even if its ranked you aren't going to pick set against a comp that has slow immunities. Lack of speed buff in other gamemodes hurts his playstyle if you are against any mage with a hard CC + escape it's very hard to get to them because they hard CC you and escape and you tp to them but can't reach your slow to close the distance especially when rushing charons coin or doom orb or both. But in conquest you can play him easily in 3 roles.
Ullr is not only a difficult character to play mechanically, but when you pick Ullr you are giving up so much value in the pick that as a player you have to be so good at Ullr that you make up the difference of giving up FG/GF consistent damage, Lack of an ultimate in your kit, ability based rather than AA so you can't shred tanks the same way. As a skilled Ullr player you have to be so good at the character mechanically that you make all his shortcomings disappear compared to say picking Rama and running at every objective/tank in fights.
The role of a guardian I feel like is so much higher on par with a jungler, so much rides on you to be that front line engage and peel that it puts a lot of pressure on the role as much pressure as the jungler to get those important picks. But I feel assassin mechanics are a lot harder to grasp at first vs guardians
When it comes to calculating difficulty I think of it as how long would it take someone to pick up this god and perform really well on it as well as understand the god.
I agree with your video for the most part and weaken is misspoken here 100 percent. Btw kukulkan is easier than nu wa. You have to hit your minions with your three not including targeting with minions can mess up your whole attack. Kukulkan just hits multiple times with tornadoes of death meaning he is still easier.
Why are we acting like ullr isn’t one of the most mechanically demanding gods in the game? Too many people are looking at it thru their experiences and skill in the god. If ur good with him congratulations, we didn’t ask. If a new player came to the game and we make him play ullr and then we make him play iza you will see a huge difference. That player will say iza is way easier.
The big difference is Weaken is looking at this as playing them perfectly in Conquest, while the question was how easy is their kit to master and use In EVERY gamemode. Two different perspectives.
Too many, conquest is all that really matters. I think alot of the differences comes from the level he's playing at, compared to the level of the average player. Many gods feel way more difficult to the average player than a group of people who have mastered almost all of smite's mechanics.
@@ghostinthecrawlspace warriors as a whole are among the easiest to play in the game. Set is ridiculously easy, there nothing hidden about his kit, it’s straight forward. You would have to be mentally Ed not be able to understand how basic Set is. Set is not the only one among the top votes by inters bot community, picks like Awi, Maui. His list has so many errors I’d expect from a bronze player.
If you didn't know, Set ult also procs on the damage from his 3, which ticks pretty quickly in a circle around him for like 5 seconds, so it isn't *just* on basic attacks
Set I would argue is very similar to Tiamat, they both have mitigations in the ground stance or when diving, but both will instantly get blown up by the average player, you can't just jump in a five-man Tune fight unexpected
I think I'll just keep to maining and practicing tiamat for now. I enjoy her despite mechanical difficulty, my last game I played with her months ago I went 9/1/17. Edit: I also think Tiamat should be at least top 5 but I missed all the voting polls lol
27:45 I don't really get the argument from Weak3n here. He says you don't magically ult when blinked and CC'd by the jungler, but on Wukong you kind of do. If you hear the blink and ult in response to the sound of the blink then you are immediately CC immune before the jungler can CC you (and that's in cases where the CC is immediate like a Hun Batz Ult or an Awilix knockup. In situations where the CC takes extra cast time like thor wall the Wukong has even more time to react).
@@hdniyung1366 If you react to the sound of the blink you become cc immune before they can cast a cc ability. There's very few instant stun abilities in the game too, so even if you are a little late you can still trigger the cc immunity of your ult before you get cc'd. Edit: A lot of killing Wukong in the early game is about being able to burst him before he gets in the cloud rather than stun locking him. Its hard to burst anyone early in the game post 9.4 patch.
@@BosSoxFan15not necessarily. Sometimes that little defense from the first item is just enough to survive a tank then use your movement ability(if the kit has one) to get to tower
@@ghostinthecrawlspace To be fair a god not being picked doesn't mean they are necessarily hard to play. I mean I am low ranked player, and rarely see Odin being picked even when he is top of the meta. Doesn't mean he is difficult just means the low levels don't want to incorporate them into their god pool which is typically smaller the lower rank one is. Set overall isn't an appealing god, and they fact he has a low pick rate is only more evidence that he is misunderstood and if you don't play the god you shouldn't even have an opinion on his difficulty. A god like camazotz gets picked more, but rarely do I ever see a low level player actually do well with the god. At this point I just assume a camazotz pick will do nothing the whole game and miss every ability.
I think that Set's difficulty depends heavily of the mindset of the player piloting him, for me I find him super easy to play but for a friend who I play often with, he can't play him because he find set too hard.
I fw weaken but at the same time I don’t because his personality his pride is to high up his ass where he feels like he to right about everything and that’s how it’s gonna go if he says it and people if you don’t humble yourself life or somebody else will trust me
yeah I appreciate that he maintains guides and stuff to try and help people, and he makes some good youtube content, but like every 5-10 minutes of watching him I'm like reminded, oh yeah, he's an asshole
@@mamspugeti6931 this remind me so much of the DM era, people were saying the same thing, yeah he's toxic but atleast he knows about the game and he's entertaining..
@@Boom3120 Very true, good callout there yeah. For me, his personality will always keep me from being a supporter, but I'll occaisionally put up with it just to watch a few of his videos
Morrigan is my favorite mage and I never really understood why her difficulty rating is high, or why ppl think she's hard to play. Do people really think her ult is that much of a struggle to use?
He’s definitely right that serqet is by far the hardest assassin I literally never see anyone play her and I play about gold plat level even when she was super broken a couple months ago I never saw her and she was never even banned.
Idk..i feel differently a lot, but quit playing when surtr was still new. For me i was surprised susano wasnt up there. Sure his kit is simple, but the skill gap is massive between a good and bad susano. Theres a good bit of mechanics involved, knowledge of the best combos for the situation, foreplanning with an escape route and a few others. Also id personally rank adc below warrior. I feel warriors each have their own unique builds more often than not; while ADC for the most part is just attack speed with crit or pen. Then it's typically just down to hitting basics outside of a few hunters. Idk why he feels so strongly about merlin. Not sure if there was a change to him, but i felt he was pretty easy to do good with, and for the most part his kit will carry him. Surprised ah puch isnt near the easiest..throw bodies, slow enemies and detonate is a rather easy play style to the point where the hardest thing about him is general midlane logic and map awareness. Then again this is coming from an old player who rarely did conquest so maybe a few dimensions change that im not aware of.
I actually had to take a break for my fingers and wrists because I played 20 Ullr matches in a row. One of the most physically tasking gods to play lmao
I haven't played in a good few months. Waiting for SMITE 2. But it's wilds to both see Ullr and here him say Ullr is hardest hunter to play, meanwhile Anhur exsist. Simple kit to understand, but to get that highest value out of it takes time and learning to hit the Pillar stun constently is a skill to be tested no doubt. He's also one of the few character who have an ability in the game that, if you hit it at the wrong time/angle, can actively fuck you out of cleaning up a kill. (I see you impailing that mage AWAY from the team running them down... >:I)
Terra disrespect is insane, she has a beads burner in her 2 and also in her cripple if you wanna debate it. Sure her ult is easy but it’s more of a timing thing. Also it’s hard to explain in few words but I feel like knowing how to body block is crucial to making Terra amazing. If you can sandwich people into your cripple or cc it makes her cc last longer and prolong their escape. Also the Janus disrespect is crazy. And I’m glad you acknowledge how Neith isn’t easy. Ppl also forget you can start a fight with her ult because your team can just chain cc after you ult somebody.
Ok but the poll lacks a few factors like what is the mmr of the players polling, lower ranked players may vote for like set as his play style is more different than someone like serqet who has gone through several re works to make her somewhat playable. All I’m saying is what people say is harder can’t always be relied and would need brackets to separate higher level games then lower games to make it more viable. A lower ranked game may see a god harder to play like susano who is more technical when you first learn them then higher ranked games who usually win their team the game
Uller has an ability that's a lot like Tiamat 1 can blocked by enemies, I play both of the characters, and I agree they're both pretty difficult in the right sense, however, uller can basically CC chain you and kill you, tiamat doesn't get that imo, sure you get a minor stun, but no hard CeCe like uller
To be fair guardians and assassins are off by .02 that’s a VERY small difference it could just be your sample size wasnt large enough or you got answers primarily from supports.
I'd say the interpretation of the definition of the word skill here is important as to how you take this list. Personally, when I see the work "skill" I look at the mechanical difficulty of a god first and how it applies to 1v1s (so in a fairly shallow context to be blunt) before anything else so in that sense I agree with what Kurt says, on the other hand if you look at the general picture like you then my opinion varies like yours. I think when you start looking at how you should apply the gods abilities, how they should be played in the team context, and things like that generally it becomes more of a skill to apply the god's abilities and game knowledge in general. If you had said (and I didn't actually take the poll or look deeper into this and obviously this is just my take so who cares) "what is the most/least skilled gods taking as a whole taking in various aspects", then my own opinion would vary with what little knowledge i have of the game anyways. All this to say it's cool to see the different takes and convos and the videos themselves
I think serqet has to be higher. Double madness is pretty hard to use and hit correctly and she is pretty bad late game when everyone is grouped. She gets blown to pieces. Im very surprised janus didnt make the top 10 highest skill gods is so weird. Set and Terra should be much lower as well. Fun video though, very engaging
what i get from this: Weak3n: Ease of use when trying to get potential from playing. how easy it is to perform your game plan. Intergames: Ease of use in mechanics. How easy it is to be constistent in landing your kit, and how good your kit synergizes. Ability to preform vs. Ability to use.
21:40 I would disagree about Horus ult being SKILL testing; I would instead argue that it is KNOWLEDGE testing. As a Horus main, rarely are you ever trying to land your ult ON someone rather than ulting your team to an objective so that you can sneak it or beat out a response from the enemy team. Also, of course, ulting your team from one side lane's phoenix to the other and stacking a double wave off it. Even when you are ulting to hit another player, it's not hard to hover over someone it's just easy to evade.
Weaken is right if you talk only mechanical skill because he is so good at other things like game plan that he does not need to worry about that were your average player would be bad at game planning to a ex pro player
24:10 I would argue Janus is, yes he's hard to play effectively but I swear you cannot kill those players because they just hop behind 50 feet of map terrain 😂
KuKu being the easiest god i think comes from the damage on the 3 and being able to set it and forget it. you still need to generally hit with the 1 and poly if you are running it and position well as you only have a movement speed boost as your escape. The ult does require skill in the timing aspect but you can generally hit it as long as you aren't just using it on cooldown. On Wukong. his 3 is hard when doing it from distance and fast. point blanking someone with Ox or tiger is Easy and running with Eagle is easy. The hardest part is the steering.
Wouldn't Serqet be harder than Set by that logic? If you exclude double madness what about Serqet is easier than Set? Then you add double madness & Set doesn't have anything in his kit that's close to as difficult.
Weak3n is right on a lot of the gods, like how do people think set is harder than tiamat for example. Playing a god 3 times and saying he is hard to play is not actually an opinion. I used to think awilix was hard to play, but after putting in some work in actually learning the god, it turned out that she is quite easy. There are objectively difficult gods to play, like yemoja, ullr, tiamat etc Set and tyr are not, they are super easy to get good at, it might take time to actually master these gods, but that applies to literally every god
I made your exact argument to someone in the comments for set and they said “all assassins are that way” but that’s just not true. Timing is different on all characters. Set had no cc immunity and only a slow. He has to have awareness of where every character is and what abilities they have. He’s easily shut down because most done want to go blink on him.
