Troicki suffered a ban because he showed up for his doping test in the morning instead of the previous evening. He had a fever and fell asleep. So he was a few hours late and that was enough for the ban. By the way, he tested negative.
that's because rules are crazy, so time to fix them rather than get them wrong all the time.... Traces that are ineffective in enhancing your performance shouldn't get you disqualified otherwise anyone can get you in trouble just by shaking your hand with some weird product....
@@sergiomelis6875Djoko never cheated and has had the most rigorous self-imposed diet and life planning of any athlete. Better come with real evidence before opening your mouth and saying smt so retarded.
Can you imagine if Russian athletes tested postive as much as the Italians? Also, Djokovic gets kicked out of US Open for an obvious unintentional freak accident, and Sinner gets a free pass because "he didn't do anything wrong." Well, if it is about the OUTCOME, that is, a rule violation, shouldn't the rulings be consistent?
People could clearly see the bendage of the finger of the Physio guy during The Indianapolis before Sinner communicated all the things. Second if you want to dope you don`t use a substance detected by urine since the 90s ....are we serious? if you are a real doper you are gonna use the latest drug that hasn`t been detected yet and which is definitely invisible in the urine test (that`s why in cyclism blood test is mandatory because urine shows you anything of the new techniques).
You are missing the point. Others who have been punished did not intentionally use banned substances. The point is the preferential treatment he received and the lack of timeliness in reporting the the results of the testing. I also find it pretty gross that someone with an open wound would massage feet with no gloves.
"Open wound" sounds very dramatic but a small cut isn't always something dramatic. That being said, one should cover it with a Hansaplast strip. As for gloves, i am a physiotherapist and i hate using gloves for a massage. It eliminates all friction which is an important element of massage. Plus, if you have a trusting relationship with your client and are not treating anyone else, you may be a little bit less strict with your protocols.
Crucially whilst not intentional the levels of contamination in other athletes was enough to make a difference to performance. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
Rules says any player found to have banned substance are to be given sanctions. Nothing in the rules says about whether the player is complicit or not, whether they are aware of it being introduced. Where is the Zero tolerance policy on drug positive violations? There was previous incident when german and Russian olympic athlete were given drug by their coaches unknowingly but they were sanctioned regardless. It was never a question of the athelete intention, it was the question of whether they have that banned substance inside their body.
Exactly. Why do these idiots even investigate "how". It is not relevant. Lets say for sake of argument that Sinner was accidentally contaminated. Why does that matter. If the rules say you should be penalized for this steroid then enforce the rule. "It's not his fault" is not relevant. It either gives you an advantage or it doesn't. Test results are all they need and all they should care about. They drag this shit out trying to figure our how it got in his system. Again it should not matter.
Crucially, CONCENTRATION OF MEDICATION FUCKING MATTERS, sinner simply didn't have enough in his blood stream to do ANYTHING and the levels are cohesive with idea of contamination
Richard Ings ( head of the ATP’s Anti-Doping Program from 2001 to 2005 before becoming the CEO of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority from 2005 to 2010) “I read the decision and the rules were followed to the letter. Sinner was provisionally suspended. His lawyers lodged a same-day appeal for urgent lifting of the provisional suspension based on evidence he had no fault. An expedited hearing in such cases is a feature of the rules.” Ings explains. “An arbitrator heard the appeal and handed down his decision to lift the suspension. No announcement can be made under the rules now until the matter is heard in full by a tribunal. So he can play. “The tribunal reviewed the full case of evidence and found Sinner had no fault. So no suspension was imposed. But he automatically loses points and prize money at the first even he tested positive at. That is mandatory even if you are found to have absolutely no fault for the positive so the rules were perfectly followed.” From an article on ubitennis
I don’t think Sinner had any intention, but he eas tested positive. My problem is with all the hiding that came with it. Simona’s case was the same, she also didn’t agree with the outcome and her case was made public really fast! She was also banned, then we all know what happened, they bassicaly kild her. Not with Jannik though, they behave completely different! That’s the problem here!
But because she appealed doesn't mean she won, U are acting like every situation is the same. They believed this was plausible so didn't release it Until resolved
@@superflameplayz8808 Show me where it is stipulated like this in the regulations. There is no such thing! They decided like this. I could say it may be within reason, but the problem is exactly this: rules are not the same for everyone. You find this fair?? I am a big fan of Jannik, he’s such a talented and grounded guy and I really feel this is very unfortunate. BUT, at the same time, it was not fair/different for a lot of other players. And this is not right!
One rule for one and another rule for the next person = a corrupt and unfair legal system..all these officials and lawyers can be bought. Tale as old as time.
I’m not an expert either, but never heard of a tennis player testing positive and cleared of any wrongdoing. The bottom line is that he enjoyed an illegal advantage over his opponents. Also, how is this only becoming public now? Where is the accountability? Drug testing doesn’t take 5 months to complete
Richard Ings ( head of the ATP’s Anti-Doping Program from 2001 to 2005 before becoming the CEO of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority from 2005 to 2010) “I read the decision and the rules were followed to the letter. Sinner was provisionally suspended. His lawyers lodged a same-day appeal for urgent lifting of the provisional suspension based on evidence he had no fault. An expedited hearing in such cases is a feature of the rules.” Ings explains. “An arbitrator heard the appeal and handed down his decision to lift the suspension. No announcement can be made under the rules now until the matter is heard in full by a tribunal. So he can play. “The tribunal reviewed the full case of evidence and found Sinner had no fault. So no suspension was imposed. But he automatically loses points and prize money at the first even he tested positive at. That is mandatory even if you are found to have absolutely no fault for the positive so the rules were perfectly followed.” From an article on ubitennis
@@67DELFINA Italy has a massive doping scandal in their country, because their physios can't read a huge red mark with crossed "DOPING" on the package of the spray....This will always remain as a stain on Sinner's career, if they like it or not. People will not forget.
@@radieschen79 You're right, but athletes were doped to improve performance, especially cycling... The contamination is different because the athlete can be contaminated in many ways and the quantity is infinitesimal, you can understand the involuntary nature of the athlete, Sara Errani had contaminated herself with a plate of pasta, another athlete with lip balm, I hope that what happened to Sinner can change things for all athletes in all sports to change the rule: contamination is always involuntary and the athlete must be considered negative positive but not de
I am pretty sure he was told not to play the Olympics OR that he uses some sort of doping that could be detected with super advanced doping tests run at the Olympics and that these tests would be held for years and that these tests could have been proven to contain doping agents in years time. I also believe that players like Aryna Sabalenka skipped the Olympics due to fear of doping tests as I do not believe she is clean. My opinion of Sinner is that he all of a sudden became this superfast hardcourt player and was expected to win both on hard court and on the clay, even his odds at FO this year was the lowest ones, and thereby he was the favourite to win ahead of Alcaraz. I have noticed that he can easily play superquick tennis for like 2 sets and then he declines a bit, and I have been thinking about blood doping. Sinner lost a match the year before and you could sense he would loose as he seemed to totally lack confidence at the end of the match which lasted very long. Nobody talked about him and that he would be the favourite to win slams, he has been at the top section to win slams, but not at all a favourite before beating Djokovic. I believe Alcaraz will be the one who will win most slams per year and that Sinner will loose his number 1 ranking very soon and he does not deserve to be so hyped. He even has a Russian girlfriend at the moment and we all know what Russians do, so that is not good for his image. He is skinny, tall and I rememeber that I thought he had all of a sudden become insanely quick in a final against Alcaraz this year, and that I did not see a chance for Alcaraz to beat him after Sinner won the first set. I am not naive anymore as I have understood a lot more about how things work, and WADA is obviously not in rule over all of the athletes as we see that some athletes are treated way better. What I really dont understand is how super duper mega fast this case was solved and Sinner found innocent while other supreme athletes in their sports, like Therese Johaug in cross-country skiing, with a higher dose of clostebol, was banned for several years. And I do not believe that the massage therapeut did not know that the spray he used was on the doping list. Not someone working with a super rich guy like Sinner, it is way too sloppy... And if that is the case I would have fired him if I was Sinner. I would assume many other top tennis players use blood doping as it has incredible effects and that Sinner is not a moron so the failed drug test is probably due to the fact that his therapist indeed used that spray but many of the top athletes dopes and are not caught as they have expert help and advice. We have to remember that tennis is played for like 10.5 months of the year and how the hell can someone excel in several tournaments in a row without some sort of boosting agents? The difference between clostebol and blood doping is not comparable by any means, but I have seen some people from certain countries with insane stamina and you can all see that many tennis players have that. I actually believe Kyrgios is 100 % clean and Nishikori is for sure clean as he always looks super exhausted in his matches.
You referred to Jannik skinny and a stringbean, as if to say he isn't trying to build up. Well, they are exactly the people who do try to build up. Jannik has even referred to it himself. If not skinny, who does try to build up. Regardless of the amount found, an amount was found. Two players, two failed results and one coach.
It's the double standard by the ATP/ITF covering up the positive result that's unacceptable. They could have avoided all this by just making the information public. Instead, the ATP protected their golden boy.
It's like in a normal trial, you cannot never compare 2 accused who have committed the same crime. It all depends on how they committed it, the intentionality and the modality. There are many nuances that determine the change in punishment. It's a very normal thing and if you look at the various suspensions of tennis players for doping-related crimes, each one was evaluated in a diferent way even when they were not intentional guilty. In Sinner case for example, the percentages found were so minimal that they would not help even an ant improve performance, furthermore, 5 minutes after the accusation was formalized, it was discovered where the involuntary contamination came from contrary to other cases. That's why he wasn't suspended like other tennis players.
Richard Ings ( head of the ATP’s Anti-Doping Program from 2001 to 2005 before becoming the CEO of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority from 2005 to 2010) “I read the decision and the rules were followed to the letter. Sinner was provisionally suspended. His lawyers lodged a same-day appeal for urgent lifting of the provisional suspension based on evidence he had no fault. An expedited hearing in such cases is a feature of the rules.” Ings explains. “An arbitrator heard the appeal and handed down his decision to lift the suspension. No announcement can be made under the rules now until the matter is heard in full by a tribunal. So he can play. “The tribunal reviewed the full case of evidence and found Sinner had no fault. So no suspension was imposed. But he automatically loses points and prize money at the first even he tested positive at. That is mandatory even if you are found to have absolutely no fault for the positive so the rules were perfectly followed.” From an article on ubitennis
@superflameplayz8808 thanks it's typo, however it doesn't change the message DOUBLE STANDARDS FROM ATP ITALIAN BOSS ITALIAN PLAYER, PLAYER NR. 1 THE WORLD HIS WHOLE REPUTATION IS DAMAGED- I WOULDN'T LIKE TO BE IN HIS SKIN IN LOCKER ROOM....THE PLAYERS ARE ANGRY AND THEY ARE RIGHT AND THEY SHOULD BE. LONG LIVE PPTA.
@@superflameplayz8808 U R a typical sheep. Believes the tv like the pope and only contribution is to jump in like a child to pull someone up on a typo! Baaaaaaahhhhh
@@sleepyjoe3002"Three scientific experts, Professor Jean-François Naud, Dr Xavier de la Torre, and Professor David Cowan have confirmed inadvertent contamination from Mr Naldi’s treatment in the period between 5 March and 13 March 2024 in the manner described could explain the presence of Clostebol metabolites in the Player’s system." of course you know more than three scientific experts
And why not take back the AO GS? And losing his winning points of that match? Or maybe all the points And prizes hé won during the sixth months? Sinner the Sinner!! I won't watch him any longer when he is playing!!
Richard Ings ( head of the ATP’s Anti-Doping Program from 2001 to 2005 before becoming the CEO of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority from 2005 to 2010) “I read the decision and the rules were followed to the letter. Sinner was provisionally suspended. His lawyers lodged a same-day appeal for urgent lifting of the provisional suspension based on evidence he had no fault. An expedited hearing in such cases is a feature of the rules.” Ings explains. “An arbitrator heard the appeal and handed down his decision to lift the suspension. No announcement can be made under the rules now until the matter is heard in full by a tribunal. So he can play. “The tribunal reviewed the full case of evidence and found Sinner had no fault. So no suspension was imposed. But he automatically loses points and prize money at the first even he tested positive at. That is mandatory even if you are found to have absolutely no fault for the positive so the rules were perfectly followed.” From an article on ubitennis
Billionth of a gram = nanogram; which is literally the metric used to measure steroids/ testosterone etc. 🤦♂️ Nice work by media trying to underplay it
When Maria Sharapova tested positive for drug use she was penalized by year or two non- playing. At the same time Serena William was ALLOWED to play using the SAME DRUG. !!! Hipocrycy and corruption of tennis federation is astonishing
Contamination from a cream, yeah right. Not quite as ridiculous as Gasquet testing positive for cocaine because of a kiss but it's still insulting to the intelligence of fans
-3 separate experts have ruled that there was no performance enhancement. We are talking 1 billionth of a gram.. -all 3 found that the contamination explanation presented was extremely plausible and consistent with the test results. Ruling that there was no wrong doing at all by Sinner. -Similar cases of lower ranked players have gotten the same ruling, see Bortolotti case. Disproving favoritism. Haleb and sharapova are very different cases you cant just equate them and state Jannik got special treatment. -Sinner was indeed actually banned when the results came out, but was able to quickly and successfully appeal it to be able to still play in time. -Nothing is hidden or secret. But if the amounts are so small and the ban is appealed, its good judgement to make it all public when the investigation is concluded. Also this is conform protocol and protects the athlete against the baseless accusations we see now. -Jannik is famous for even correcting refferees when they make mistakes in his favor. A level of sportmanship 99% of athletes and all who now rush to judge him without evidence or any factual knowledge can only aspire to
Why the investigation. They already had proof he had an overthe counter banned substance which is prohibited and the rules call for sanctions. You can not ever prove he knew or did not know. Nobody here knows if it was an accident. Investigations should end with the drug test. Follow the damn rules. And I am not talking about Sinner. I am talking about the regulating body. They suck.
1 - that’s just the amount he got caught with in his system. His team knows how to time the doping to minimize risk. He could have had way more in his system earlier. Come on this is basic logic. -if you believe a pro athlete had an anabolic in his system by accident, you will believe absolutely anything -he tested positive and was allowed to play. This is literally unheard of
Why hide sinner is responsible for his team not the other way around he knew this training had done this same thing with another athlete he just turn a blind eye
A doping case from 0, 000.000.001 of a gram The ITIA raised the case and did due diligence, the ITIA declared the taking of the drug ACCIDENTAL , the ITIA declared Sinner INNOCENT. Thanks to an excellent legal assistance, the truth has been established.
That's not why ppl are upset though. People aren't upset about the finding, ok he's innocent.. They're upset because the ATP covered up for him for 5 months! Per the rules the ATP/ITF is supposed to make public any player found to have failed a drug test! And they're supposed to be automatically suspended until the findings are final. That's what people find unfair.
Not great at all…I was Sinner fan watching him since first title ITF/Challengers,and despite I think he is not guilty, his treatment by the tennis anti-doping agengy was clearly exceptional and this is not right and other players has the right to be angry with this
So if people were not stupid, they would be upset with the organization, the rules and regulations, and roar against all that. But as we all know about the society's IQ brilliance nowadays, Sinner, buckle up buddy...
Seriously people are ignorant and fight against themselves as a people rather than the actual issue! They act and comment about this situation as if the speculation is around Sinner or any player should be supporting their own ban rather than proving themselves as not at fault for intentional use!
Whatever one thinks of the outcome, I think three things about this video need to be pointed out: 1) You refer to the International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) as having made the decision/ruling. This organisation did not make the decision; they are one of the parties to the matter, which is known as 'ITIA v Sinner'. The decision was made by a tribunal convened by an organisation called Sport Resolutions. The panel comprised one Canadian and two British lawyers: Benoit Girardin, Tamara Gaw and Dr David Sharke KC (Chair). 2) You refer to Darren Cahill coaching both Sinner and Halep, which is true, but to be clear Cahill was not Halep's coach when she tested positive. Cahill was coaching Sinner when Halep tested positive. Halep was being coached by Patrick Mouratoglou at the time. 3) You refer to the possibility that Sinner could have done a cycle of steroids between the Australian Open and Indian Wells. Apart from the fact that players are subject to out-of-competition testing, Sinner played and won the Rotterdam Open during this time (14-18 February) during which he could have been subject to in-competition testing. Moreover, comparing the two tests taken on the 10th and 18th March shows remarkably similar concentrations of Clostebol metabolite (121pg/mL v 122 pg/mL), which does not appear to support the shedding hypothesis.
@12:25 - they say the tests get more sensitive without the doper knowing - and who the fu*k spray on a cut for a week or two and no wrappings and gloves - sooo convincing .. right!
@meisu3287 trofodermin is a super common over the counter medication in Italy; if you suffer from dermatitis or psoriasis you are more than likely to have used if you're italian, I had in my house and didn't know what clostebol is or can do to your body His team though should've known better as there have been other cases in Italy, one involving a quite low ranked player just at the end last year
@@chiaratrani9923 - So it's typical for an Italian to spray that stuff for a cut? The thing is, Sinner an Italian lives in Italy for years asked a very generic question concerning the cut. Was the cut taped up?
You have to understand, steroids just don’t help build muscle, they help with recovery, endurance energy, etc. there are many different types of steroids. So someone constantly struggling with injuries would take steroids to heal and recover and build strength. So “cycle” doesn’t mean professional body builder.
Victor Troicki was banned 18 months for being late 8 hours for his test. By the way, he was tested negative. All players should boycot playing against SINNER.
Am disappointed in your take on this. If you are not informed about the topic don't discuss it. Atp just showed us again that they are not clean. Sinner should be banned and points stripped. According to atp there should be zero tolerance.
There should be. For the record I agree with evwry word you said. I listened to this guy @ 2am this mrng and sitting here analyzing every word again. The Slice said that the tour is a big capitalist behemoth. It's driven by stars. Fed, Nadal, Novak are on their way out and Sinner & Alcaraz are the top dogs. You think the ATP of gonna let anything happen to their golden boy($)?? That's why this 'storybook 5mths to come out.
Richard Ings ( head of the ATP’s Anti-Doping Program from 2001 to 2005 before becoming the CEO of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority from 2005 to 2010) “I read the decision and the rules were followed to the letter. Sinner was provisionally suspended. His lawyers lodged a same-day appeal for urgent lifting of the provisional suspension based on evidence he had no fault. An expedited hearing in such cases is a feature of the rules.” Ings explains. “An arbitrator heard the appeal and handed down his decision to lift the suspension. No announcement can be made under the rules now until the matter is heard in full by a tribunal. So he can play. “The tribunal reviewed the full case of evidence and found Sinner had no fault. So no suspension was imposed. But he automatically loses points and prize money at the first even he tested positive at. That is mandatory even if you are found to have absolutely no fault for the positive so the rules were perfectly followed.” From an article on ubitennis
Making the dropped claim.public is making more damage to Sinner than a ban. How to destroy someone's career with haters all over the world going against him for the rest of his career. Is 1 billionth of a gram even a problem? Aren't the rules far too strict? What f a player shakes hands with his brother who used a cream containing a forbidden substance? Should he be responsible for it? Dropping 400 points means the ATP ranking has been manipulated. Ymer and Halep got their career destroyed, I don't know their cases but what if they haven't done anything wrong? Antidoping is a good thing to have but maybe they have just gone too far.
It's not necessarily bad in my opinion. The facts clear him of any wrongdoing. People's hunger for judging and sensation might give it some buzz, but that will fade.
Polish player at the beginning of 2023, Kamil Majchrzak (nr 50atp) was suspended for 13 months, although he proved and had evidence that the powdered supplements were factory-tainted by the manufacturer, but he has to start his career over again, they took away all his points and he reached a settlement, Although the results showed that these were also trace amounts and had no impact on the results. He entered into a settlement so as not to wait for the verdict. double standards. , he fought his way through the itf.. today he will play his secand qualifiers at the us open he won the match. This is how every other tennis player has been and is treated in recent years. But not King Jannik.
was suspended until further notice, he could not enter any court, hold press conferences, he fell into depression because he could not defend himself in the media because he was banned from talking ,he ITF knew she was right but was unyielding. And Siner trained and played for 4 months, what a joke. The Pole was being persecuted by a doping supporter in the Polish media for months.
The harsh truth is that the much hyped New Generation still needs performance enhancing substances to overcome a 37 year old player inhibited with a bad knee.😂😂😂😂
@@TheFlowMind i am 100% certain that a man who refused a vacc1ne and very particular about what enters his body that he was willing to forego even his whole career will never take such things which can blight your body in the long run
The harsh truth is that people like you make up their own truth and try to be significant by assuming about subjects they know nothing about. The facts have cleared him, period
@@tennisdynamics69 If he had been cleared then why he was imposed a hefty penalty and 400 points were stripped off ?? Common Mr. Intell1gent, you need to answer this. LoL 😂😂😂😂😂
So his physio massaged him with an open wound on his finger? Doubtful. Who would alow that? Plus, why use a product that clearly has DOPING emblazoned on the container and product?
You have a very logical, non-judgemental perspective on all of this, you remained very open minded to all the perspectives and were humble with your own opinions. Great job
The story for sure is more complicated than anyone from the outside can properly judge. And I still want to believe that Jannick is a nice person and an absolute professional - with no intention of cheating in any way. But how was that NOT negligence on his(his team) part...and why any other involuntary contamination didn't get the same understanding...or speedy resolve...leaves me wandering if good lawyers was all it took. Who hires and repeatedly uses a medical professional that doesn't check what the substances applied on an open wound for a week contain? Isn't that negligence on behalf of the only person accountable in this sport?
It's like in a normal trial, you can never compare 2 defendants who have committed the same crime. It all depends on how they committed it, the intentionality and the modality. There are many nuances that determine the change of punishment. It's a very normal thing and if you look at the various suspensions of tennis players for doping-related crimes, each one was evaluated differently even when they were not intentionally guilty. In the Sinner case, for example, the percentages found were so minimal that they would not have helped even an ant to improve performance; furthermore, 5 minutes after the formalization of the accusation, it was discovered where the contamination came from and that this was involuntary, unlike to other cases. Let me explain better: Sinner did not directly take the substance even without knowing, but it was his physiotherapist who took it and contaminated Sinner. That's why he wasn't suspended like other tennis players.
You do understand there is a reason the substance is banned no matter how low the percentage is right? Otherwise you would have limits. Athletes are banned for testing super low percentages all the time. It’s much more common than having “high/significant” test percentages. Low percentages indicate foul play. The substance shouldn’t be there at all.
What gibberish are you spewing? Victor Troici was banned because he came late for test. He said he had fever and fell asleep. He was banned despite the result being nagative. But you are here supporting a player that failed drug testa twice.
It reeks of favoritism. Capitalism is about the money. Tennis establishment is known for not being trustworthy! Agassi wrote about in his book. The same way they didn’t report on the Bryan brothers attacking an official. How many tennis fan know about that. Italians and Spanish tennis players are known for doping. “Spanish Tennis Players Long History of Doping” Edmund Williston. Opericon Puerto ( Nadal:Errani) This was Nadal and Errani doctor. Spanish government destroyed the blood to protect Nadal and safe face.
the strange thing is they took his point and the money prise because he test positive , but no ban . if the amount was very small why the took the points and money . what about the players he beat on his way to the final , they could win more point
Well read this Richard Ings ( head of the ATP’s Anti-Doping Program from 2001 to 2005 before becoming the CEO of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority from 2005 to 2010) “I read the decision and the rules were followed to the letter. Sinner was provisionally suspended. His lawyers lodged a same-day appeal for urgent lifting of the provisional suspension based on evidence he had no fault. An expedited hearing in such cases is a feature of the rules.” Ings explains. “An arbitrator heard the appeal and handed down his decision to lift the suspension. No announcement can be made under the rules now until the matter is heard in full by a tribunal. So he can play. “The tribunal reviewed the full case of evidence and found Sinner had no fault. So no suspension was imposed. But he automatically loses points and prize money at the first even he tested positive at. That is mandatory even if you are found to have absolutely no fault for the positive so the rules were perfectly followed.” From an article on ubitennis
If it was true, than his phisiotherapist mist pay back Sinner 300.000 dollars. If he didnt do that than the whole story is a lie and coverup for real doping scandal.
These are their own business, it becomes a private case that we should not be interested in... If you have an accountant and you get the accounts wrong, for example you have to pay less, the tax office calls you, you have to pay with your surname and name, the tax office does not turn to the accountant, you pay and you put yourself in place, then you agree with your accountant to get you reimbursed but this remains a fact between you and your accountant...The most important thing is that you paid what you owed to the tax office... the same thing is for Sinner, he returned his prize money, but it's his business if he wants charged to the physio or not...
good to see the deep seated human relationship issues penetrate into all kinds of people (: nk and dshap are making tennis more interesting to watch especially if any of then come up against sinner in future
Professor David Cowan, former head of the WADA-accredited Laboratory at King’s College, London, declared that the levels of Sinner’s traces of clostebol made any potential performance-enhancing effects from the contamination unlikely even if it were intentional. Even if the administration had been intentional, the minute amounts likely to have been administered would not have had any relevant doping or performance-enhancing effect upon the player. Enough with the bullshit, I, and 99,9% of the people commenting here, are not experts, so I think we should trust the experts and leave the conspiracy theory to the flat-earthers.
There is this thing called the court of public opinion, and regardless if a person likes it or not, that will always exist. This situation is a PR disaster for Sinner and tennis...even if hiding behind an investigation as justification for not revealing this earlier, two failed drug tests by a professional athlete in any sport is going to attract attention, especially when the news is released 6 months after the fact. Lecturing fans will not change perception, and only comes off as appearing to participate in a coverup.
I repost this from my comment of another youtube-video on Sinner's case: In their announcement the ITIA didn't give enough attention to their evaluation of the STORIES OF FERRARA AND NALDI. The evaluation of whether Sinner was oblivious does not exist before this primary evaluation. To state this is not to compromise the legal protection of the player, for the very simple reason that it is the PLAYER -- and no-one else -- who appeals to the stories of his staff-members. Things don't look incredibly pretty even in the official pdf that presents the details of the case (that not many people have cared to find) --- but they do look better. In the pdf the ITIA make a reference to the fact that they were provided with Ferrara’s bank record that prooves the purchase. This is a good start, of course, but still leaves something to be desired. Hence, it was always more suspicious than that Ferrara should purchase a product with a huge "DOPING" signage that he should carry it around while on tour with Sinner and handle it in Sinner's proximity in such a careless way. Therefore, when the report does not say whether the ITIA received a picture of the product on site in Miami, the question emerges whether Ferrara had in truth purchased the product to cover Sinner’s bases -- something I would definately do if my player was on clostebol. What further deserves attention here is the position of Ferrara. We should remember that it is not in the least in his own interests to go against the story of Sinner. There is no ban (provisional or long-term) for him if Sinner's story is found credible -- such are the rules for coaches and staff. Carelessness, while fatal for athletes in these kinds of cases (google case Johaug), does not entail severe consequences for coaches. On the other hand, in the case he WOULD attempt to build a case against his player, he would not only certainly loose his job (which by now he might have anyway but this is not the point) and possibly his status within the whole of Italian tennis where Sinner is huge. I cannot therefore help but feel that the rules for coaches and staff should be stricter. If they were, the interests of the player and the team-member would not align in such a way as to compromise the integrity of cases such as Sinner's.
Haters gonna hate. All this hatred is absurd. We are talking about a billionth of a gram. This cannot in any way have influenced his performance during the tournament. Jannik was contaminated and never used the incriminated medical spray on himself intentionally, ( THIS IS THE POINT) so his case is very different from other cases like that of Halep, or 'Šarapova . READ THIS Richard Ings ( head of the ATP’s Anti-Doping Program from 2001 to 2005 before becoming the CEO of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority from 2005 to 2010) “I read the decision and the rules were followed to the letter. Sinner was provisionally suspended. His lawyers lodged a same-day appeal for urgent lifting of the provisional suspension based on evidence he had no fault. An expedited hearing in such cases is a feature of the rules.” Ings explains. “An arbitrator heard the appeal and handed down his decision to lift the suspension. No announcement can be made under the rules now until the matter is heard in full by a tribunal. So he can play. “The tribunal reviewed the full case of evidence and found Sinner had no fault. So no suspension was imposed. But he automatically loses points and prize money at the first even he tested positive at. That is mandatory even if you are found to have absolutely no fault for the positive so the rules were perfectly followed.” From an article on ubitennis
Weather he new or not he got caught plain snd simple should be no special treatment he should be banned period enough said so insulting to us tennis fans shame on the atp for letting this happen.
@@theslicetennis dude...her story is public knowledge. That she was taking meldonium for a condition (while it was legal) and then the rules changed and she continued to take it because she wasn't aware of the rule change. Yet she was dragged like a cheater. All I'm gonna say is, VERY convenient that sinner pops in his most dominant year 👀
your defense is that if he were to take steroids, which he did in some way or another as evinced by positive test results show, he wouldn't screw it up by getting caught? so a positive test result automatically means accidental contamination and innocence by that logic. think again
Richard Ings ( head of the ATP’s Anti-Doping Program from 2001 to 2005 before becoming the CEO of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority from 2005 to 2010) “I read the decision and the rules were followed to the letter. Sinner was provisionally suspended. His lawyers lodged a same-day appeal for urgent lifting of the provisional suspension based on evidence he had no fault. An expedited hearing in such cases is a feature of the rules.” Ings explains. “An arbitrator heard the appeal and handed down his decision to lift the suspension. No announcement can be made under the rules now until the matter is heard in full by a tribunal. So he can play. “The tribunal reviewed the full case of evidence and found Sinner had no fault. So no suspension was imposed. But he automatically loses points and prize money at the first even he tested positive at. That is mandatory even if you are found to have absolutely no fault for the positive so the rules were perfectly followed.” From an article on ubitennis
Dude. Him not having bulked up means nothing. In Tennis the number one thing muscle building steroids would be used for is to accelerate muscle RECOVERY.
Great video. Here, 90% of those who commented, saying that the ATP had to disqualify him, or must do so now, do not know that the ATP cannot disqualify any tennis player: the only authorities that can disqualify a tennis player are the ITIA and WADA. Whoever writes about ATP is ignorant on the subject.
Richard Ings ( head of the ATP’s Anti-Doping Program from 2001 to 2005 before becoming the CEO of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority from 2005 to 2010) “I read the decision and the rules were followed to the letter. Sinner was provisionally suspended. His lawyers lodged a same-day appeal for urgent lifting of the provisional suspension based on evidence he had no fault. An expedited hearing in such cases is a feature of the rules.” Ings explains. “An arbitrator heard the appeal and handed down his decision to lift the suspension. No announcement can be made under the rules now until the matter is heard in full by a tribunal. So he can play. “The tribunal reviewed the full case of evidence and found Sinner had no fault. So no suspension was imposed. But he automatically loses points and prize money at the first even he tested positive at. That is mandatory even if you are found to have absolutely no fault for the positive so the rules were perfectly followed.” From an article on ubitennis
Sinner, his physio, the officials who cleared Sinner saying he did nothig wrong(!) should be banned to do anything in international tennis for 2 years. The ATP President should join them too!!!
Yes, but they prepared him well, what can he say, like a spray and then over his hands on the wounds and cuts he had, funny. Siner didn't know anything??? he doesn't know what his people use ???? so who is crazy here.
Notice how no doctors are being interviewed on TV for this dilemma? They would not be able to explain away this issue with science because the story seems far fetched to begin with. Please have medical professionals publicly explain if Sinner's story and the stories these tennis pundits are asking us to believe are plausible. The medical community so far will not publicly address this issue on TV because it seems that science can't support their story. Having a doctor on TV is the easiest way to provide some closure to this doping issue.
His was unexpectedly found to have the substance in his system. He had a reasonable explanation and initial investigation found the cream with the steroid in it. Even with all of the facts put forth and a concluded investigation, look at these comments. I feel all players should be treated with the same respect given that each situation calls for a different tailored approach by the experts who tey to keep the playing field level.
It is not correct to ask to punish a player because other players got punished in the past. There is always scope for changing rules. Accept the decisions made in favor of player.
I've read stupid moralistic comments. Very bad. Without knowing the real facts. As usual. So you don't need me BUT I DON'T NEED YOU ALL. Hasta la vista.
Richard Ings ( head of the ATP’s Anti-Doping Program from 2001 to 2005 before becoming the CEO of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority from 2005 to 2010) “I read the decision and the rules were followed to the letter. Sinner was provisionally suspended. His lawyers lodged a same-day appeal for urgent lifting of the provisional suspension based on evidence he had no fault. An expedited hearing in such cases is a feature of the rules.” Ings explains. “An arbitrator heard the appeal and handed down his decision to lift the suspension. No announcement can be made under the rules now until the matter is heard in full by a tribunal. So he can play. “The tribunal reviewed the full case of evidence and found Sinner had no fault. So no suspension was imposed. But he automatically loses points and prize money at the first even he tested positive at. That is mandatory even if you are found to have absolutely no fault for the positive so the rules were perfectly followed.” From an article on ubitennis
how after 8 days on the second test was he again + if the team immediately realized that they made a mistake?? it's just not clear to me, because if it's such a small amount, the body would throw it out in 8 days for sure...that spray has a huge warning mark strictly cuz that issue so physio is dumb or evil or ...
Because Sinner was informed of the doping investigation later. ( I think during the time of the Miami tournament) He did not know that he was contaminated (because this is a case of contamination and not direct intake as in the case of Halep) Until then. Nor his team.
We know the decisions in the past are wrong. It is not correct to take same wrong decision again. We learn from mistakes. The anti doping panel also learns….
I wish they want to stop with Jannik Sinner he is a talente guy and because he is nummber 1. He is such a nice player never pull his face like a baboon. ❤
A billionths of a gram? U do not know whats the scale is. So… in ur opinion, 1 biilonth of a gram of uranium is harmless. 1 dcl of vodka will make u drunk, 1dcl of beer wont. So do not make stupid assumptions. U can do better.
What the fuck are you talking about? Bortolotti Italian tennis player two anti-doping controls in November experienced the exact same thing as Sinner, Bortolotti was No. 400 in the ranking, he put his lawyer, he had not been suspended, he reconstructed the facts with the evidence, he was cleared in March 2024, his ranking points were taken away and he returned the prize money... the same thing Sinner there was no privilege because he is rich or because he is number 1, both had the same treatment...
How did that physiotherapist not quit? Or Siner had to fire him already. OK. Mistakes happen, but when the consequences are this big, then responsibility must be borne. This is how physiotherapists still work, and I find it suspicious.
He is guilty in my opinion. Doped. If he is one of the Big 2 in the next 20 years, I will think tennis is a joke, someone caught doping could go unpunished.
