Noah was being so careful on this podcast. I gotta respect that a little bit. Shows a bit of growth going in to the cup series and not wanting to accidentally burn bridges
I think it's because that situation hits close to home for him which made him careful about it. He got burned by early leaks and he's someone who drove for KBM before and Kaulig was deep in the Kyle Sweepstakes so he wanted to respect everyone. I appreciate him having that neutral position here, good to see for sure.
You have to remember since Harvick left RCR in '13 RCR has only won 7 races. Is it the cars or the driver...it's both. If Dillon hadn't been his grandson nobody would even know who he is. Kyle Petty said last Saturday he thinks this is a step backwards for Busch given the recent history of RCR and I don't see it changing that much. RCR will never have the success it once had with Earnhardt Sr.
Brett brings up an interesting point about Toyota, the only loser here is NASCAR as a brand! KB18 has been a staple brand & Toyota everywhere you look 👀 in NASCAR! With Kyle Busch no longer representing the iconic Toyota brand and #18 it will create a huge vacuum in the sport and people will fall off a lot because of this iconic pairing for so long! This deal really will hurt NASCAR’s market share a lot unfortunately! 🏁
Depending on how much Kyle wants to own a truck team, he could sell KBM to Toyota. KBM could keep all its employees, which I believe is important to Kyle. And Toyota can keep their prospects. Then RCR could start a truck team with Kyle being a majority owner. I think its a win-win for everyone but I don't know how possible that is. Hopefully they read this comment and make it happen 😋
What KBM has done for Toyota is find and Groom Drivers to make them future Nascar Stars.. Toyota is going to be in some real trouble in 2023 thru 2026. Don't forget the 45 car may not have Cup champion Kurt Busch in the Drivers seat.
you guys are so lucky that dirty mo hasn't fired you all no company allows drinking on the job great example you're setting for the kids that watch this show
Yes his cliff already started last year hes not running as well as he use to and he isnt winning like he use too. Gibbs has solid equipment maybe not the best but easliy good enough to run up front and win with. His brother went downhill at a similar age and they are brothers so reflexes, sight and nerves will start to go at a similar age. He will come out strong with RCR but it wont last.
@@BkBk-gy6vr Yeah, seems fair on the surface, but Kyle fell off in 2020 when they took away the 3-4 hours of practice every week that he needed to get the car closer to his liking. Dude is still good, but the people JGR put him with are just not on that same level.
Absolutely Toyota could have afforded but JGR didn't want him anymore wants to keep driver cost down and wanted to put the grandson in the flagship car. Furthermore they wouldn't offer Kyle a multi-year deal and Chevy would. This will hurt Toyota pipeline for years to come.
Gibbs knows Kyle Busch is becoming old news and it was time to move on. He’s the second most accomplished owner in the modern era and that’s only because Hendrick had about a 10 year head start on Gibbs
They are relying on Truex and 23xi more. Truex has a Bass Pro Shops sponsor deal, his contract extension was announced around the same time it was announced MM would leave Busch. 23xi has the most marketable driver and a Monster Energy driver.
I think it's just too many moving parts. Toyota couldn't sink the resources into a single driver when the Gibbs talent pool is so deep and JGR did their best to land a major sponsor and the deal fell apart and by the time it did, they decided to roll with plan B. Truex deciding to come back really threw a hitch in Kyle's staying plans I think as they were probably gonna slot Ty in the 19 and maybe eventually swap him in the 18 down the road. JGR has already regretted 2 departures in the last decade or so, about to become a 3rd.
@@steventweed3599 I think both are valid points. In the short run I think Toyota was over-saturated with talent but Kyle's gonna hurt in the short run, long run losing that reliable KBM pipeline will be tough as well. It's a good thought to consider as it's a huge blow on both levels. Toyota was very much wanting to keep Kyle but it vibes like JGR was just ready to move on and probably was the hurdle that couldn't be overcome.
I think Kyle is going to gain a lot of fans over this. As a Kyle Busch fan I can’t wait to see him at RCR in a Chevrolet where my childhood hero was. It’s like history all over again.
Gibbs and Toyota could've easily kept Busch. Busch will be strong in the #8. KBM will be strong in Chevrolets. Its a loss loss for Gibbs and Toyota. Bad move on Gibbs' Toyota part. Great move on Childress' part.
This one’s easy: Chevrolet will be fully invested in making KBM their premier, long-term truck team. The Chevy corporate brass were committed to the Busch➡️RCR deal, and would bend over backwards to make KB happy if the truck team was a consideration.
I recall Richard Childress chasing Kyle Busch down on foot. Childress took off his watch, came behind Busch and punched him in the face. So here we are maybe 10 years later, and they join forces. Wow!!
it was a great move for both Kyle and RCR. Kyle was being stifled at Joe Gibbs. there were too many drivers trying to be the lead guy and they wouldn't let Kyle be in the role. RCR just gained a multiple truck team that has Xfinity experience, and one hell of a lead driver. let hope they get a good full time sponsor for him that work well with who he is.
All these podcasts, everyone wants to be a commentator of some kind, but in reality they are just a bunch of want-a-be's all sitting around trying to sound intelligent talking about yesterday's news. We used to make fun of women sitting around gossiping, now people gather around their phones hoping to glean some tidbit of prevalent information.
Denny Hamlin was playing checkers while Richard Childress is playing Chess. That's why Richard Childress will keep Reddick instead of cutting him loose early because it's the ultimate payback to Toyota. In terms of sponsorship Joe Gibbs did not make an effort to keep Kyle and Toyota barely made a slightly better effort and this is proven because earlier today Adam Stern reported that multiple sponsors have already contacted Richard Childress racing in regards to sponsoring Kyle Busch's #8 car for the 2023 season. If this was able to happen with Richard Childress, there is no doubt in my mind that Joe Gibbs would have had the same result but clearly the same effort was not put in by Joe Gibbs as it was by Richard Childress!!!
Tyler Reddick will still be racing years after Kyle hangs up the steering wheel, and I am sure he is a cheaper hire than Kyle. So in the end Denny wins
@@luketuttle1096 however which driver already has two championships and has over 200 wins and who his own a very successful truck team?? Those are all the reasons why Richard brought him in and the fact is with his experience he's going to make RCR better so no Denny Hamlin didn't come out on top. Tyler Reddick has to prove himself first and he has not done that yet.
@@LTJohn Very true, but Richard got caught flat footed letting Tyler go. He got very lucky Gibbs didn’t have Kyle signed up. He might have ended up playing chess, but started on a Candy Land board
@@LTJohn Kyle is best wheelman in the sport no doubt about it. Just can’t say always care for his attitude. He will make RCR better instantly. Just hope he can learn from his brother and be a good team player and more of a positive influence on the team.
I'm not able to get access to check these results but somewhere I read that Austin Dillon actually has a better average finish than Tyler Reddick this season. Don't take my word for it though look that up I'd like to check it out I will as soon as I get a chance
NASCAR needs a real shot in the arm!!! Like Carl Edwards & Kayse Kahne and a big star from F1 like Hamilton to come over here🏁Also I’d love to see Robby Gordon buy a Charter with DirtyMo and field a hot orange Speed sponsored Chevy and get Bret Moffett and Nelson Piquet Jr. Who is very good in a cup car!
I agree also about Toyota. They never stepped up to the plate or made any noise.. It’s las if they didn’t care what happened to Kyle. It doesn’t make any sense what happened there. For what ever reason Toyota and Gibbs were tired of Kyle
I believe kyle busch will do great at RCR but it will take time too build the team around him and that 8 car will he win races next year if kyle didn't know he could win at RCR would not have signed there he is a very smart business man I bet you looked over everything at place
In defense of Toyota, I don't think Toyota corporate was willing to spend an ADDITIONAL $20M (estimated budget hole left by Mars) or so just to keep one driver. That's $20M in addition to the rest of their investment in the sport. Yes, they're a major part of KBM, but they weren't fully sponsoring trucks every single race, let alone cup cars. Toyota also spends a ton of money developing talent that tends to find its way elsewhere due to lack of Toyota seats.
Toyota has nothing to do with driver salary. Jgr is at fault, they didn't try hard enough to find sponsorship. Sponsorships pay driver salaries. Jgr even told Kyle the 18 is no longer a option when ty Gibbs made starts in cup. He ran well enough that they didn't need to wait a year. Guarantee that ty gibbs will be in 18 next year. He's cheaper and Joe Gibbs gets his grandson in the 18 car. It was planned because ty wasn't the replacement for kurt. It was John Hunter
@@coreyhess8721 I agree with all of that to an extent. My point was simply on the notion that Toyota could have kept Kyle if they wanted to, which a lot of people are arguing. The only way they could have truly done that is to become the primary sponsor, which is where my above statement comes in. But, you're correct that, outside of that, it's all on JGR. It became clear through negotiations that JGR and Kyle were far apart and JGR began looking to the much cheaper future.
Noah needs to watch what he says about Richard Childress. Richard damn sure knows what the hell he is doing in any motorsport! RC is a businessman and racer first.
All but a handful of races they keep the cameras off the stands except for start/finish line where they have everybody bunched up. Its kind of sad to see whats happened.
Everyone is so scared to talk about the white elephant in the room being Kyle's smart a## mouth and the way he talks to the team when he's pissed off. I think parking his broken car on pit road and walking away was the final straw with M&M, Joe and maybe even Toyota. He's not a good roll model thats for sure. Kyle Petty talked about it in a roundabout way a few weeks ago, but no one has the balls to call it like it is.
Its much more than "Is it the driver or the car". You have to be hitting on all cylinders to shine in the cup series. You have a few special teams out there. The perfect crew chief, car and driver. You remove either of those parts and you loose. Everham/ Gordon, Zipper/ Stewart, Chad/ Johnson, Earnhardt/ Shelmerdine.
can't believe they let that guy in a xfinity car . The skill level in xfinity, cup nascar has fallen back to the days of spinning spencer ( chastain) most drivers on the track even with an open track cannot pass for the lead without wrecking or nearly wrecking the other opponent .
Yea, just like some wonder whether it is the driver or the car with Daniel Ricciardo ( F1 )? I'm thinkin' Gragson is talking out of turn to say "let 'em announce the deal on their own".
Hey panzer this is Jeff Yoder the ol'broke down scooter tramp, exbiker, Vietnam 🇻🇳 Era veteran, and I agree with your comments 💯 percent and I'm thinking it might be because he might have wanted to be up for at least a chance to replace Kyle at JGR but if JGR is going to go possibly Ty Gibbs into the 18 along with Truex possibly staying in the 19 through the 2023 season with his sponsorship Toyota ends up still having JGR as a at least a 2car team with plenty of wiggle room to help pay to keep Truex and Ty Gibbs and still have a connection with JGR'S truck and xfinity teams for driver development possibilities and a direct ladder to the Cup series up through the trucks and xfinity series all connected through a one team owner for each of the top 3 Nascar series therefore the trading of information that could help each of the teams and drivers of each team in a sort of built-in R&D and veteran helping the up and coming star programs that would be a continuous revolving source of Cup series ready drivers for JGR who have always somehow been able to find talented up and coming drivers who only need some seasoning for a couple of years to be Cup series ready going all the way back to when Kyle left RCR the first time and Truex became available in the same general time period after Bobby Labonte left and then Tony Stewart left after Kyle and Truex had moved from up and comers to being on the edge of being able to have winning seasons and winning championships, so I'm thinking it wouldn't be much of a stretch to think that the "Coach" and Toyota are thinking that they might be ahead of the game letting Kyle go and spending the money Kyle was asking for on signing Ty and chipping in on the Truex thing to take advantage of keeping a driver very capable of winning a Championship next season and having him around as a sort of built-in tutor for Ty in his sophomore season and starting the revolving feeder program for Cup ready drivers that JGR is already not too far from having set up what with having teams in Cup,trucks and xfinity series each especially if Toyota shows much of any interest in staying in Nascar for slightly less money than it would have been to try to keep Kyle and Ty, and ensure being able to possibly keep Truex beyond the end of next season
Hey y'all it's me Jeff Yoder the ol'broke down scooter, exbiker, Vietnam 🇻🇳 Era veteran and I'm not claiming to be an expert and welcome any and all opinions any of y'all might have where this whole JGR, RCR, KBM thing might be taking Nascar and I'm even wondering about what might be happening with Hendrick Motorcars I guess it's called these days I mean given that Rick Hendrick has pretty much always let his drivers race each other what would happen if Larson ,Elliott, Boyer, and Harvick would end up all racing each other who's likely to be told to help their teammates when the chance happens? Cause clearly Chevy is backing Hendrick Racing as much as they are RCR but with Kyle now at RCR for a while and I'm thinking Austin Dillon being a strong contender for RCR'S 3rd team for a while and Harvick hinting at retiring how much will Chevy try to keep Harvick around as a possible tutor for Austin for a couple of years or Does RCR let Kyle make a run for a championship and be a tutor for Austin and possibly his brother Ty Dillon , being a Kyle fan and a big Harvick fan I for one 1⃣ would like to see RCR let Harvick finish out his career with RCR since they have stuck with him during his ups and downs the last few years, why not stick with the guy who you picked to help get you through probably the worst possible situation you could ever have been put into and he's been mister reliable and at times the true finisher that earned him that nickname on top of "Happy Harvick, basically I'm thinking Harvick has earned the right to step out of the more than big shoes he stepped into 20years ago and I for one 1⃣ think he's done a pretty Damn good job of filling those shoes respectfully and honorably for the whole last 20years that he's been with RCR
RCR should have let Dillon go, signed Reddick to a long term contract and then signed KB. While AD does have some driving talent, he is nowhere near the level of Reddick or KB.
@@CJODell12 … AD was never going anywhere. But yes, but even Granddaddy Richard can see the talent that Busch brings to the #8 team. He consulted Chevy brass to make this huge undertaking a reality. KBM will be Chevy’s premier truck team…
@@twoblacklabs904 While I am not the worlds biggest KB fan, they should put him in the #3. The number #3 (then after Dale the #29) has always been viewed as the top car for RCR. Put your biggest, best driver in your top car. Pretty sure they would have a top sponsor for a long term deal if they did that.
