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Real Anarchism Has Never Been Philosophized: An Interview with Catherine Malabou

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In this episode of Acid Horizon, we had the privilege to discuss the metaphysics of anarchy with Professor Catherine Malabou of the European Graduate School and the Centre for Research in Modern European Philosophy. In the interview, we use the introduction to Reiner Schürmann's work "Heidegger on Being and Acting: From Principles to Anarchy" as a jumping-off point to discuss the question of an activity without principles, a unity of theory and practice which supersedes all structures of obedience and commandment. We talk with Professor Malabou about the historic failure of Western Philosophy to realize the riskiness of its metaphysical anarchisms in political terms, and the pleasurable plasticity of the anarchic formation of new modes of living. We are left with the pertinent question; has anarchism ever been truly philosophized? Thinkers in the discussion include Schürmann, Ranciere, Foucault, Deleuze, Aristotle, Reich, Stirner, Heidegger, Hegel, Derrida, Agamben, Proudhon, Marx, and many, many more!
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@archiefarrer6983 2 года назад

Anarchism can seem like a risk just like jumping off a train. But when you learn the train your on is heading straight for an open ravine, jumping off starts to seem less risky...

@NoOne-go3ml 2 года назад

imo some of the most succesful results so far have come from especifist anarchist organizations mainly in South America. Building the new world from within the body of the old.

@gustav4351 11 месяцев назад

@@NoOne-go3ml The problem with Anarchism is that it is instantly associated with Politics, as if it is just one more ideology, it is associated with a grand scheme of things to put into work in the world outside, this is taken for granted, be it by people who oppose or don’t understand it or by anarchists themselves, specially the ones who only know the classical authors -Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin etc- in short Anarchism is merely seen as a THING, not a process… And from this presupposition we often hear the platitudinous question “Has it ever been tried?”

@NoOne-go3ml 11 месяцев назад

@@gustav4351 everything is politics. Post left types when pressed about the world they want is either anarchocommunist or anarchocollectivist ultimately but without the label.

@aryeh155 Год назад

To be an Anarchist is not to rebel at every principle, it is to embrace with agency your will and manifest The Absurd. To rebel at every opportunity is to be a slave, to submit is the same, to choose is agency, agency is freedom. The fundamental principles of anarchism are the maximizing of the preservation of life and agency.

@harsht17 3 года назад

This was so thought provoking in many directions. Always appreciate you guys. Thanks so much for a great episode as usual!

@AcidHorizon 3 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@angusmckscunjwhich 2 года назад

It's really great that this thought is getting air time and it's really great that a thinker such as Malabou is talking about it, but it seems ingenious to say that the relation between metaphysical anarchism and political anarchism has always been separated. Any intentional community, collective or cooperative face this as a living reality. Not to mention social movements, squats and riots. True as theorists related to social movements these authors come in and out of fashion and sometimes come to - very annoyingly! - define sectarian lines... As in the case of the appelist's... Very nice thanks!

@brief.mound.of.dust.2023 Год назад

great discussion, and helps clarify the more recent episode with Malabou for me. totally on board with Malabou's conception of anarchic without-principle, but without the insistence on federations, platforms, and consensus. in other words, without reliance on the political at all. this baggage of traditional first wave anarchism (both political and collectivist) limits the very metaphysical anarchy that Malabou seemingly wants to break free. this is why the given examples of Occupy, Zapatismo, and Rojava are off the mark. even if temporal and small-scale, they are limited and already in the world of governance or recuperation by the state from the start. they end before they can begin by inviting the political always looking to suffocate breathing anarchy. an antidote might be the very plasticity of a Nietzschean aesthetics that Malabou ends the conversation with paired with the ontological anarchy being evoked--- which is encouraging.

@justinanderson617callme 2 года назад

What an immensely interesting thread to pick up !!!

@enfercesttout 3 года назад

Malabou sounds million times more sober than postanarchists drawing from the same or neighboiring veins of French philosophy.

@enfercesttout 3 года назад

44:20 yes

@florianfelix8295 3 года назад

I don‘t think the philosophy that you draw from determines how „sober“ you are (I know it’s just a wording but how good of a measurement should such a policed norm even be?) To me the failure of postanarchism so far is coming up with actual relevant stuff for anarchist Praxis and in that I don’t see much benefit from what is offered here. (I also don’t See how that would be connected to poststructuralist philosophy) When anarchism is only an academic coded circlejerk it diminishes and no one cares about how much some French philosophers might have been anarchists actually or what it’s plasticity is.

@virgiljjacas1229 2 года назад

Any program about the Barcelona Communes, their successful start and who support it. Buenaventura Durruti's ideals still alive !!!

@jonnymagus18 7 месяцев назад

A fascinating discussion and one I really enjoyed. I've just read anti-oedipus (I understood some of it lol), which seems obviously an anarchist text to my sensibility, but avoids saying that it is, which I do find puzzling. I love all these histories of the world/man in philosophy (and political theory too), but they always seem to have very short timescales and reductive. I have a background in human evolutionary archaeology/archaeological sciences, so it longer timescales and intriguing puzzles. As for anarchism, horizontal stratification is something I used to study. The Mesolithic era is particularly interesting, hierarchy seemingly limited, though I would need to catch up with current research.

@danielraso-llaras5509 2 года назад

I don't know, Ms. Malabou, but ontological anarchy is very different from political anarchy. There's no paradox. What's the masonic motto? Ordo ab Chao, or, I don't know, Order out of Chaos by Prigogine, who influenced D&G. I don't know.

@exlauslegale8534 3 года назад

I myself have struggled with Deleuze’s assertion that “there is no hierarchy”, so my solution was to think hierarchy as temporary, the same way that all the forms (anarchy, hierarchy are also forms) are temporary, Simondon would say “metastable”, and Deleuze in his _Foucault_ calls forms “precarious”. Guattari also calls for adopting and changing of the institutions instead of their anarchic canceling. Everything is becoming, there is no “end of history”. Malabou as a prominent Hegelian ain’t much help for Deleuzeans, they should, imo, avoid her all together (Hegelians talking about anarchy! sic!)...

@zubrz 3 года назад

why avoid? actually liked her book about plasticity

@exlauslegale8534 3 года назад

@@zubrz because dialectics are in contradiction with Deleuze's thought...

@florianfelix8295 3 года назад

@@exlauslegale8534 I mean she reads anarchism as being about human nature big oof im also aware that there is a pretty large strand of humanist libertarianism, often intertwined with pacifism.

@mchalk88 3 года назад

@@exlauslegale8534 Why should a Deleuzian fear contradiction?

@exlauslegale8534 3 года назад

@@mchalk88 Who mentioned fear? Dialectic is just a false movement that leads to a black hole...

@gunkwretch3697 2 месяца назад

so people are starting to catch up to Max Stirner... finally

@szilveszterforgo8776 3 года назад

I think the woman was wrong about the etymology of "anarchy". It has the stem "archon" (meaning leader in ancient greek). It has nothing to do with "principle". It means (a system) without a leader.

@owretchedman 3 года назад

A word's meaning is it's use. There is no absolute definition.

@szilveszterforgo8776 3 года назад

@@owretchedman I think you don't understand. By your logic, something so absurd would be valid as the following: I analyze the Bible when I take one word from it, let it be "Lucifer" and propose that it means "the true holy light" and by this vague and inaccurate translation I conclude something like Lucifer is the one whom we should follow instead of God. (I suck at finding good analogies but I hope I could convey what I meant by this one). What you say is overly simplistic, because although it is regarded as true in general lingo, here I talk about something entirely distinct from this domain. The woman who said this doesn't consider basic etymology when making a point, even though it's crucial for a valid argument. To put it simply without an example, the problem is that she takes something that's pretty much factual, but she doesn't know that given fact. What you say would justify this if and only if this would be about the philosophy of language, but we talk about something much more exact; etymology. Search for: 'anarchy' on Wiktionary and check out the words etymology. You'll see why it's not as simple as you've explained it.

@owretchedman 3 года назад

@@szilveszterforgo8776 I never explained anarchy or it's multitude of definitions. The fact that every word in the dictionary has multiple meanings must drive you insane. See Wittegenstein. It's you who does understand the fluidity---and absurdity, yes!--of language.

@szilveszterforgo8776 3 года назад

@@owretchedman I think I must explain this in another way: The woman uses the term incorrectly, because she takes a meaning that nobody in ancient Greece meant. She acts as though it's valid because it connects to the other morphological parts of the term, but nobody used it or uses it this way. It's like this: the word "pedagogue" was originally used to describe the slaves who would take the students to their teachers in ancient Greece, instead of the modern usage of the word (which is basically "teacher"). By the woman's logic, I could come up with something like: "Well you see the word actually refers to slaves, so by using it when you describe a person it humiliates him/her." I hope you can see what's going on. It isn't relative to each user of the word or anything. No amount of Wittgenstein's philosophy would help this. The woman bases her argument on something that's objectively false. By the laws of categorical logic (i.e. the most basic system of logic) if you infer a conclusion by false premises, the conclusion will necesarrily be false as well.

@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 2 года назад

archon means RULER, not leader. anarchy means NO RULERS. rulers are in charge by violence. leaders are voluntarily deferred to due to their wisdom and expertise. huge difference.

@tiggtiggs 2 года назад

Ignorance is to ignore the obvious...Entelechy transcends intellect.

@jessecohn3387 3 года назад

It's sad that Malabou agrees, at the last moment, to the proposition that "real anarchism has never been philosophized." I think immediately of Kathy Ferguson's deeply respectful theorization and critique of Emma Goldman, of Daniel Colson's writings, etc.

@yesyes3423 2 года назад

anyone know what text she means regarding "Plotinus as the first anarchist"?

@Bromios18 2 года назад

I wish it was Plotinus, but it may refer to Plotino Rhodakanaty

@scriabinismydog2439 8 месяцев назад

She is indeed referring to Plotinus. Schürmann in Broken Hegemonies and in one of his essays on Henology explains how Plotinus was the first philosopher to have "dismissed" or "broken" a principle (which in his case, was the parmenidean One). Schürmann takes Aristotle's notion of arché which means both principle or foundation _and_ command, government to analyze what he calls "hegemonic phantasms"; these are simply put metaphysical principles that determine both the metaphysical and political thinking of an epoch and a place.

@Bromios18 4 месяца назад

Then one can read the works of Edward Butler on Plotinus and polytheism. You will enjoy that..

@SK-le1gm 2 года назад

Anarchism is a lot easier now that I have money and left the USA. Canned Heat has the right idea in “Goin’ Up The Country”.

@deeppurple883 4 месяца назад

I would love to know the whole history of mother earth. I'm trying to form images of what life was like at this time all over the world. Luckily we have a taste through men like Herodotus✌️

@luisasouza5472 3 года назад

Around 11:48 : "There is no revolution. And this is a break with Proudhon and all anarchy" Anarchist perspectives that are not based on the idea of revolution have been around at least since the early 20th century.

@rtdropbox 2 года назад

Proudhon's idea of "revolution" was more like what we might call "progress." In contrast to Blanqui and others, he rejected the model of an insurrection seizing (or even destroying) the state. So Proudhon is not the best reference to choose when talking about a departure from revolutionary models. Bakunin or Malatesta or Louise Michel or Lucy Parsons would have made more sense.

@Enbuscadeixtlan Год назад

Can someone tell me the name of the author that Malabou named when she established the distinction between politics and police? Please. I'm from Chile, sometimes my english betray me 🥴😄

@AcidHorizon Год назад

What is the time stamp?