Honestly Saylor is not a really smart one! This Casino type gambler did not give me any reasonable argument about if there is any true value not talking about intrinsic at all! He is luckily riding a wave expecting more investors jumping on the band wagon!
@@JC-wj5os that is exactly casino type investment! Intrinsic value is not necessary anymore....Just growing faith in an investment but until which point?
@@hasheuredited263 Its such a shame that your offended by your viewers just stating the obvious! Did you watch this interview its incredibly telling, it reminds me of how the frantic followers of religion when they try to convince all of us that jesus is coming and we should repent! Im not sure why your so worried about Saylor agreeing with your concept! This its just simple math your can buy something that has software technology that makes currency tangible anywhere in the world in seconds.... and get this it limited circulation of coins there for guaranteeing exponential growth!
@@hcvberlin yes the true value is that its the alternative to cash! which Im sure you'll agree that cash is has no underlying asset anymore. But on the other hand bitcoins underlying asset is software technology. Why is it so hard to see the benefits of not having to go to your bank to withdraw your cash or beg your government to let you take your money out of the country! I think the over all value is that its decentralized! So don't fool yourself
@@crsnow6158 hey dude, think like a billionaire, crypto users and holders should be look for the best technology: "Masternodes", "ChainLocks", "LLMQ", "DAPI"... and the best parameters: pay attention to the coin supply, e.g. 1000DASHs is very representative in the 18 million DASH max supply universe, on the other hand, 15 BTC is a whale's fart 🐳💨 on the 21million BTC max supply universe
@Chris Brighton Bitcoin is old tech. Bitcoin doing things a certain way doesn't mean it's the only way to do it. If you want to wait minutes or even days for a transaction, devote 100% of your economy to inefficient security and leave development holding out its hand for donations, have governance that can't make even simple decisions without taking years or resulting in forks, depend on middlemen for most of its features, have unnecessarily crippled transaction limits and have little to no resemblance to its original goals then sure, chose Bitcoin. If you want all that stuff and more done properly with an ever increasing range of industry leading innovations choose DASH.
@SpajN34 Nice hey dude! Never! Dash is a DAO (Decentralized Autonomous Organization). Dash is pioneer in second level miner! Dash has the best tecnology on the crypto business; Bitcoin is a old tech. 🤷♂️
@SpajN34 Nice hey dude, why are bitcoin fees so high? 🤔 Do they want you to use custodial solutions? Was the white paper bullshit? 🧐 Bitcoin fees are high but they don't need to be. You are being pushed to use custodial solutions that defeat the whole of crypto.
@@oli-dtv5238 finally broke after 2 months lol... I expect atleast a 150k market high, but at some people we will revisit the 20 week ma.. thats going to shake alot of people out
hey dude! Michael Saylor is a liar!!! Platforms like PayPal are not good choices!! As example, Paypal is to prevent users in Argentina from transferring money between their own accounts. And more, the bitcoin network failed!! The Bitcoin Lightning Network is a Shame!!!!!!!! On the other hand, the DASH platform DPNS has the best tecnology on the crypto business!!!
@@Luiz1179 You cant choose whether bitcoin goes into paypal lol, or tell anyone how to use bitcoin, thats their prerogative. Welcome to the free world!
@@missionpupa the question is interesting, but Bitcoin is old tech. Bitcoin doing things a certain way doesn't mean it's the only way to do it. If you want to wait minutes or even days for a transaction, devote 100% of your economy to inefficient security and leave development holding out its hand for donations, have governance that can't make even simple decisions without taking years or resulting in forks, depend on middlemen for most of its features, have unnecessarily crippled transaction limits and have little to no resemblance to its original goals then sure, chose Bitcoin. If you want all that stuff and more done properly with an ever increasing range of industry leading innovations choose DASH.!!! 💪🤠🤳
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yeah and Saylor is not saying anything groundbreaking. people have been investing like that for a century. Too, he forgot to mention the most important factor.
@@mariai9549 hey maria! Michael Saylor is a liar!!! Platforms like PayPal are not good choices!! As example, Paypal is to prevent users in Argentina from transferring money between their own accounts. And more, the bitcoin network failed!! The Bitcoin Lightning Network is a Shame!!!!!!!! On the other hand, the DASH platform DPNS has the best tecnology on the crypto business!!!
@@paulinthailand hey Paul, why are bitcoin fees so high? Do they want you to use custodial solutions? Was the white paper bullshit? 🤔 Bitcoin fees are high but they don't need to be. You are being pushed to use custodial solutions that defeat the whole of crypto. 🧐
@@missionpupa Because he views bitcoin as just another thing to trade. Bitcoin isn't a stock, gold, real estate or anything like we've ever seen. Its the biggest monetary revolution in the past 1000 years. Saylor is right when he says trading bitcoin is like trading Apple 30 years ago. Why risk trading something that is likely to appreciate in value 100x over the next decade?
Sometimes its healthy to watch the best outcome possible in front of your eyes and see in real time that the decision you made is IQ 200. And even tho hes asking 'I would love to see' think he is refering to a public to get educated a lil bit.
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Financial investment mean different things to a broad spectrum of different people but not-withstanding, bitcoin has revolutionized financial but has a medium of exchange and also making a fast pace to become the altimate store of value it is pertinent to hold a good size of the asset before the year runs out and the most result I have gotten is trading using the signals provided by sherman Bragg,he’s an expert when it comes to strategizing and trading generally. Within my first few weeks, I have traded and earned over 7btc on my 3btc which I have held for over 10months,with no desirable results to show for. he can be reached on Hangout or Gmail: shermanbragg78@gmail.com for all crypto related inquiries
Saylor’s points seem to be flying over this TA guys head. This isn't about quad 4, this is about paradigm shifts. That’s why Saylor is a billionaire who bought and held FAANG. He understood it then, and understands it now.
@@macambangla They're on different wavelengths. Saylor is talking about a paradigm shift technology (like FAANG), and the other guy is talking about technical analysis. That's like going back in 2010 and talking about selling Google when it is up 10% and then waiting for a dip. Yeah, I guess you could do that but you've missed the point. That's why this discussion is so disconnected. Listen to Saylor's other interviews - this is by far the worst I've heard. If you're talking about the technology itself, listen to Andreas Antonopoulos, or better yet buy a book on it that explains it in detail. It's fascinating.
I'm not saying he doesnt know anything, but people who followed his exact methodology 1999 got curbstomped. "It's the future blah blah". I get the use case, fine. If he's right about all this utopian BS then it actually doesnt matter wether I put 20% or 100% in to the asset. If he's wrong then I'm toast.
@@orpheusepiphanes2797 What did he say in '99? He was dead right on Apple and the rest of those guys (The Mobile Wave). You mean dystopian? It's just a superior gold, and astonishingly so. If you're wrong - look at recent volatility, Bitcoin did no worse than most of the market. You don't think having your money in tech stocks right now is risky? The risk is less than you think. Jerome Powell and CBDC's, JPMorgan flipping from "fraud" to "considerable upside", Paul Tudor Jones, Square, PayPal, wealth transfer from boomers to millenial's, Fidelity, this is all last 6 months. The writing is on the wall.
@@kansascrude5611 spoken like someone who has missed out on life changing wealth. I've been hearing this "it's a scam" rhetoric since I first invested in 2012 at ~$13. I'm 44 and retired 8 years ago.
@@wojciechgorski5563 Bitcoin trading might make you rich if you are hedge fund with deep pockets or unusually skilled currency trader ,but to the average retail trader rather than being an easy road to riches
If only you know what the future says, you'll know that indeed cryptocurrency is the future, investing in it now will be the wisest thing to do. Hold!!! And you" will thank yourself
@bavarianstallion Bitcoin is old tech. Bitcoin doing things a certain way doesn't mean it's the only way to do it. If you want to wait minutes or even days for a transaction, devote 100% of your economy to inefficient security and leave development holding out its hand for donations, have governance that can't make even simple decisions without taking years or resulting in forks, depend on middlemen for most of its features, have unnecessarily crippled transaction limits and have little to no resemblance to its original goals then sure, chose Bitcoin. If you want all that stuff and more done properly with an ever increasing range of industry leading innovations choose DASH.
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Poor Kieth - this interview aged like dogshit (for him) ...41:38 there he is saying people cant afford to buy BTC @ $19k (fuck know why he quoted that sum cos it was $12.5k when he did this interview) 4 months later its up to $56k. The cheapest time to buy it was when he was arguing with Saylor that people should wait till it gets cheaper 🤦🏼♂️
Love this guy. He’ll be the one to go down in history that changed the world next to the creators of bitcoin. Much much respect for Michael. What he’s done and is doing promoting bitcoin will empower people all over the world and he’ll be blessed in abundance and prosperity. Everyone needs to understand, that investing in bitcoin is prophetic at this point in time and it’s fascinating to be alive and see it.
Fantastic interview.... sadly only one guy here understands investing! Thank you Michael Saylor, we now understand why you are a Billionaire whilst the other guy is just doing ok
Oh shit that’s so true. Keith literally said he sold all his Bitcoin then it jumped up big time lol. So much for modeling this one. Dollar cost average into bitcoin and call it a day...sleep easy. It’s a part of the portfolio with huge potential upside.
@@mytube99 Lol. Never bought the top. DCA is how you do it. Since BTC's birth, DCA made you money every single year. Even in 2018. Going all at certain price is for those who FOMO.
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ZIL is up 400% and ARRR is up 200% in same time frame. One offers more tx’s per second than VISA, the other offers blocks every minute and total anonymity(fungibility). There are so many better ways to make money that don’t require transparency risks and first to market risk. TiVO transformed watching tv and yet nobody uses it practically speaking. In 12 yrs bitcoin has done very little to innovate and reality is the community rested* on their laurels and are shilling a technology that isn’t best in market, and has relegated it to low utility status.
@@wowliemwowneck9013 - Bitcoin is acting like a reserve currency to the rest of the crypto industry, ZIL and ARRR do not even come close to serving such a purpose. That's enough, and we should all be grateful for it because without Bitcoin none of these other crypto projects would have anywhere close to the amount of liquidity in the market for participants to buy/sell. This idea that Bitcoin has to be the technological best isn't true. Bitcoin doesn't have to do anything more than it currently does to serve a vital important purpose. It's not a zero sum game yet, decentralized ledgers are seeping into every industry and there is plenty of room to grow.
Gnoll if that’s how it was being billed I’d be less concerned. But bitcoiners are selling regulated industry notion of only a non fungible asset that enables elites to leverage up to price down competitors into non existence will succeed. They are seeking regulatory entrenchment and actively bet against alts to call them shitcoins. You can see th writing on the wall, which is one where they draw in retail adoption to BTC trying to keep up, and they’ll unload their bags, BTC will be dead, and everyone will be driven back into the arms of central banks with a CBDC and no fungible money. The design alone means it becomes a centralized tool of elites. The algorithm and the pricing ensure very few get into this particular life raft. And at extremely high risk, BC retail won’t have the backing of the FED and its stooges as Black Rock does with their MSTR & SQ pawns. All that’s required for it to be legitimate is fungibility. That’s literally it, but there is a reason development isn’t going there. And almost everyone is ignoring that simple truth. It’s gone rent seek, and the intention is to pull the rug out from the industry and destroy self sovereignty that won’t have even lasted 20 yrs. Fourth turnings aren’t the space for capitulation on sound money principles.
@@wowliemwowneck9013 - You may be right. Personally, I feel like Bitcoin's second-layer fungibility and store of value use case is good enough while we wait for the larger crypto ecosystem to build up. I don't think retail dumping will be so disastrous since a large portion of Bitcoin will be held by more and more organizational treasuries as a way to escape no-yielding bonds and irrationally high equities due to government money printing. Only time will tell. So far we've seen multiple boom and bust cycles in Bitcoin, incrementally increasing the ceiling/floor and that was almost entirely composed of retail unlike now. I agree that more and more elites will own and steer Bitcoin but the direction of the code is still at the mercy of public opinion and any group can segment off value from Bitcoin if the algorithm strays too far off the path. I feel like Bitcoin will eventually become sound money but it will take many trillions in market cap and gradual updates over the next decade. As we witnessed during the near flippening of ETH and BTC, when BTC is threatened they will move quickly to resolve algorithm disputes in order to maintain dominance as crypto's reserve currency. Are we at the fourth turning yet? How long does it take, and can the revolution simply be adoption of new software over a decade or two? We live in interesting times, that's for sure.
Great interview! One of my favorite of the year. Thank you Keith for having guests with a differing viewpoint from your own, and giving them the space to articulate their opinion.
That’s cause Michael is telling everyone to go all in and play the long game..... that means Kieth and others who love to proselytize the short term trading game .... will be fired like an over priced consultant. (No disrespect to traders ✊ ) I’m with Michael... buy as much as you can.... whenever you can... and sit back and make your day to day living cost and fluid cash needs some other way. ( until you can use bitcoin for ALL transactions )😘😎 Be well ✌️✊🤗
Just watched the rest of the video and around 50:25 .... my opinion deflated a bit... Michael knows Keith really still can’t see the true utilization of what is the Bitcoin NETWORK... I really hope Keith gets Michaels Bitcoin playbook that is free online on the MicroStrategy website. Those reading should check it out and take advantage of it !!! Be well✌️✊🚀😇
Saylor’s points seem to be flying over this TA guys head. This isn't about quad 4, this is about paradigm shifts. That’s why Saylor is a billionaire who bought and held FAANG. He understood it then, and understands it now.
@@victoralvarez9873 hey dude! Michael Saylor is a liar!!! Platforms like PayPal are not good choices!! As example, Paypal is to prevent users in Argentina from transferring money between their own accounts. And more, the bitcoin network failed!! The Bitcoin Lightning Network is a Shame!!!!!!!! On the other hand, the DASH platform DPNS has the best tecnology on the crypto business!!!
@@aneurysm022 Choose a good wine, and choose a good tech! 🍷💪🤠🤳 but, Bitcoin is old tech. Bitcoin doing things a certain way doesn't mean it's the only way to do it. If you want to wait minutes or even days for a transaction, devote 100% of your economy to inefficient security and leave development holding out its hand for donations, have governance that can't make even simple decisions without taking years or resulting in forks, depend on middlemen for most of its features, have unnecessarily crippled transaction limits and have little to no resemblance to its original goals then sure, chose Bitcoin. If you want all that stuff and more done properly with an ever increasing range of industry leading innovations choose DASH.!!!!
Oh, Michael....I don't know if you're religious but you exhibit the patience of a saint with this thin-skinned guy. You make the mother in me feel proud of you :)
One of the best interviews on BTC ever. Makes me want to buy more! 6:01 so simple, yet so good. 6:52 FACTS. DO NOT TIME THE MARKET, IF YOU LOOK BACK IN HISTORY IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU BUY AT $11, $12, $13, or $14 37:24 bigger picture, eye on the prize 42:40 I didn't buy it to make money in 7 days, I bought it for 10-30 years
Michael Saylor is a very smart guy. Love to hear him articulating his well thought through statements. Hopefully he will never talk to Keith again. Michael If you read this comment - please consider having your own channel where you articulate your ideas without interruption- trust me you will have much bigger subscribers!!!
SO you just want to watch interviews from him with bitcoin bulls who agree with everything he said? LOL. This was a great interview because of the clash of ideas. you dont get it.
@@ace1603 hey dude! Bitcoin is old tech. Bitcoin doing things a certain way doesn't mean it's the only way to do it. If you want to wait minutes or even days for a transaction, devote 100% of your economy to inefficient security and leave development holding out its hand for donations, have governance that can't make even simple decisions without taking years or resulting in forks, depend on middlemen for most of its features, have unnecessarily crippled transaction limits and have little to no resemblance to its original goals then sure, chose Bitcoin. If you want all that stuff and more done properly with an ever increasing range of industry leading innovations choose DASH.!!!!
You know its rare to see a battle like this amongst Jedi financial knights who have worked in their financial dojo for many years , some warriors with more battle scars are fearless with their heart on fire and thats what you went up against ., I commend you Keith for taking up the challenge not many would dare to enter the ring like that especially on your own channel , to me your courage is a great metric of who you are . So far Keith your the only one who has dared fight back and this is why its one of my favorites so far , usually people are just in awe of him silent as a mouse , agreeing with big smiles as he goes on and on which he is brilliant and true but some sword play makes it even more exciting .
Wow... I have more respect for Michael Saylor than Ever... and I've only just discovered the guy. What a foundational panaramic perspective. Thank you for freely sharing your opinions Mr Saylor. And thanks to Hedgeye for this (and maybe taking one on the chin in this discusion). Respect
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It takes character to debate your interviewer. Tremendous respect to Keith for not blindly following dogma, and instead subscribing to data. Keith is bullish. But he's not blindly bullish. He knows the circumstances under which he can lose 80% of his bitcoin investment in a short period of time -- and use that as an entry point. Will now be subscribing to Hedgeye.
Great discussion, guys. Exciting to listen to two different points of view on this topic (and in such a civil manner). Keith, as a bitcoin holder, I respect your view. However, I disagree that you can time the market using the quads narrative. An example of that is that you sold all your position just before this recent explosive run. Come on Keith, come back to the bitcoin community; you've been missed.
@@alphacentauri8285 yeah,actually lol. i mean, it makes sense to hodl, but i wouldn't buy it "no matter the price". If it's going to go from 20k to 8k or 3k, why not try wait for a discount to get more, then hodl?
@@jeremygiaco you are speaking about perfect timing, price, etc... For me personally thats a kind of gamble... You are right when it comes to price. But when i go to a bookstore i buy book that i want no matter the price cuz i want it. But I get your point. For my perspective there is no way that btc will drop below 15k at this moment so with $11.111 he made a really good buy.
Keith isn't a visionary. He's a nuts and bolts guy. Listen to how he talks. Saylor is a deep human...who gets it. I'd follow him into a storm. Not Keith. He's a fair weather guy.
I've learned a lot from Michael. I bought bitcoin in 2010ish for $90 each direct from a seller.. I'm got back in after watching Michael's videos. Thank you friend.
Excellent interview! Saylor is a Beast. His perspective and judgement is very sound. He deserves all he earns in the future as Bitcoin rockets to the moon one day, as he's put his neck and company reserves at risk. He will one day (a decade plus) walk away a Trilionaire probably due to his Bitcoin investments... and good for him going in so huge on BTC so early on.
Bitcoin trade is great unlike the stock market and other financial market, bitcoin has no centralized location since it operates 24hrs in different parts of the world
@Adams Hooper To live your greatest life, you must first become a leader within yourself. Take charge of your life, begin attracting and manifesting all that you desire in life. Had my first encounter with Sir Michael O'Connor in a comment section here on RU-vid and since then trading has been made easier and more profitable
What is it that Keith doesn’t get? As if Keith turns to feelings, hoping and praying. It’s called Hedgeye Risk Management, not Hedgeye buy hold and hope
When you are invested 420mil in something that you have to pray others start believing too...Id be frustrated too. Keith doesn't have that problem lol.
I sold BTC when I thought it was high enough. I was never perfect to buy back lower. At this point I have ~20% of BTC of what I started out with. Michael is correct. HODL!
Saylor is the man!! An intellectual, technologist and philosopher. His vision is very long term. People who do not understand the power of disruptive technology and do not understand what BTC really is will not get the point. You can stay in your fiat world.
The negative statements regarding bitcoin in this comment section are only proving Saylor's point. The time to buy and hold is when people don't agree.
Financial investment mean different things to a broad spectrum of different people but not-withstanding, bitcoin has revolutionized financial but has a medium of exchange and also making a fast pace to become the altimate store of value it is pertinent to hold a good size of the asset before the year runs out and the most result I have gotten is trading using the signals provided by sherman Bragg,he’s an expert when it comes to strategizing and trading generally. Within my first few weeks, I have traded and earned over 7btc on my 3btc which I have held for over 10months,with no desirable results to show for. he can be reached on Hangout or Gmail: shermanbragg78@gmail.com for all crypto related inquiries
@@unemployedrocketsurgeon1124 Bitcoin is old tech. Bitcoin doing things a certain way doesn't mean it's the only way to do it. If you want to wait minutes or even days for a transaction, devote 100% of your economy to inefficient security and leave development holding out its hand for donations, have governance that can't make even simple decisions without taking years or resulting in forks, depend on middlemen for most of its features, have unnecessarily crippled transaction limits and have little to no resemblance to its original goals then sure, chose Bitcoin. If you want all that stuff and more done properly with an ever increasing range of industry leading innovations choose Dash.
Reminds me of Indiana Jones (Michael Saylor) and how the martial arts guy (villain) shows all his moves and ends up being at the receiving end of a swift finish.
Simply put, Keith and Hedgeye are excellent disciplined systemic traders, Michael is clearly an MIT math, engineer, long term investor. Both can’t see the others argument. Keith please have Darius work with Michael using a “engineer” discipline to make these charts! I am a subscriber and I want these ideas via cooperation.
Michael Saylor delivered one of the best bullish arguments on Bitcoin. He is one of the smartest investor I've ever known. Far better than Warren Buffet in terms of techincal intellegence about this once in a lifetime new opportunity. Saylor earned so much respect from me.
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been holding bitcoin since 2016.... never sold... went through the 2017/2018 crash.... still holding.... im not a trader.... best thing I have ever done.... just one small comment I hope it doesnt bother anyone... I understand the exaggeration when he says "billionaires who have more money than GOD".... I would never say such a thing to make a point... u can simply say they have alot of money... no need to bring God into the conversation... rather be thankful to God for giving you the facilities to understand crypto and guided you to invest in crypto... I respect Michael Saylor for everything he is doing and definitely blown away with every point he makes... but im just not with blasphemy just to make a point...
Was a fan of Hedgeye before, but Keith got absorbed in his own ego here and made the value of or the joy to watch the whole discussion drown in a cringeworthy display of his arrogance. Tip for interviews in the future - if you get people 10 times your caliber on your show, you better show some humility and respect their time and voice and by god stop talking over your interviewee.
