Real evaluation of the Leica Q2M against an in-camera JPG.

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A spring whiteout in Jackson, Wyoming led me to ask the question... if I just take out the Leica Q2M and my Leica M11 in black-and-white JPG, how different will the images be? Let's find out.
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@davidsimpson2466 Месяц назад

fantastic video and photos! I owned the Q2 and switched to the Q2M 4 months ago. There's something incredibly special about the Q2M. For me, its a totally new shooting experience and the files are so clean. The low light capabilities are unreal.

@davidherring Месяц назад

Thank you. I agree - low light is really where this camera shines.

@juddrook Месяц назад

Very informative video. Especially when combined with the linked information. When the Leica M11 Monochrom was released, I briefly owned the M9 Monochrom, the M11, and the M11 Monochrom. Before selling the M9 Monochrom, I performed informal b&w rendering comparisons between the three bodies by taking a series of photos of a still life arrangement where I could control light and framing. My results conform with your testing and observations. The images created with the two monochrome sensors had identical tonal gradients, while the M11 converted image varied noticeably. I spent about 8 hours in LR with the M11 RAW image attempting to match the tonal gradients in the M9M and M11M RAW images without success. My conclusion was that the Leica Monochrom sensors create a "true" toned image, while the Leica M11 de-mosaic process creates a less "true", but appealingly toned image. For me, the M11 Monochrom is the right choice 95% of the time.

@davidherring Месяц назад

Thanks for sharing. I tried to match my M11 JPG to Q2M RAW and failed miserably. The monochrom is an experience and file you cannot replicate.

@emanuelarchambault372 Месяц назад

I’m agrée with this message although why create BW cameras ?

@wanderingwongs7464 Месяц назад

I have the M9 Monochrom and the Q2M and sold the Q2M. There is something about a true monochrom sensor coupled with the CCD of the M9 Mono.

@billharris8204 Месяц назад

Hi, Just discovered your channel. I recently ordered a used Q2 Monochrom to fill my need for more b&w. This is going back to my roots as I started shooting b&w in grade school in the 60s. That said I’ve shot with color cameras most of my life (currently A1) and loved the color images I produced. But a funny thing has happened over the last few years as I find myself doing more and more conversions to b&w from images shot in color. I’ve experimented in setting my regular mirrorless camera up in monochrome including the evf and display and find my shooting changes. I’m now looking at the light much more than I do when shooting color. That’s why an all b&w camera is appealing as I will be living in a b&w world opening up things I might not see in a color environment. Keep up the good work!

@davidherring Месяц назад

That's awesome. You'll love it! I was chatting with someone in the Leica store about shooting monochrome just a few days ago, and he said "no one looks at a black and white photo and says 'man, I wish that was color.'" And he's so right!

@tripswithgriff Месяц назад

@@davidherring I'll echo Bill's comment. I've used a digital Ricoh GR in various forms since its launch in 2005 as well as numerous SLRs and now mirrorless since then, and have found 90% of the images end up converted to B&W from the GRiii. Right now I have my GRiii and R6ii both set to a hard mono jpeg profile to enable the screen to show B&W and when I'm shooting its really become all about the light and form. I've even struggled to find colour camera profiles that deliver what I want in a lot of my recent images and am beginning to realise what want is monotone! I'm now just trying to resist the urge to buy a Q2M but I suspect I will fail and it will come. I've never been one to choose the obvious solutions! PS just discovered your channel and enjoying the vlogs from over here in the UK.

@davidherring Месяц назад

@tripswithgriff thanks for sharing and welcome to the channel!

@Mr_Quimper Месяц назад

It was the indoor shot of you both, in the hotel (on the blog), that I instantly saw a difference. The amount of extra noise was quite obvious in the M11. As an M11 owner. Who prefers to use natural light. I am leaning towards using faster lenses for low light. To compensate for those 3+ stops.

@davidherring Месяц назад

Yeah I was trying to demonstrate high ISO and those shots did it!

@kbmats Месяц назад

Fair and realistic comparison, thanks for also sharing the images on your website, I really wanted to see the comparison and I really love the Q2M

@davidherring Месяц назад

It’s a fantastic camera!

@HN-sk2lr Месяц назад

There is a big difference between monochrom and jpg , there is no colors filter on monochrom thats why the monochrom camera is special 👌

@davidherring Месяц назад

I address all of this at the link in the description.

@HN-sk2lr Месяц назад

@@davidherring great job, i like your videos Btw

@ab185 Месяц назад

When I pixel peep I can definitely see much more detail on the Q2M.

@davidherring Месяц назад

Its much sharper and cleaner, for sure.

@Passingmomentsvideo Месяц назад

As much as I’d love to justify the value of an M11 monochrome, I just can’t. With a family I need to be realistic. For capturing memories and instagram I think converting to black and white will have to do it for me. Great photos as always and I loved the comparison. Also great to see some more in depth reading!

@davidherring Месяц назад

Thanks for sharing! I'm going to start trying to use my website/blog more where appropriate.

@colinosullivan Месяц назад

Dave love this style of video, it's right up my alley and these are the style I got for as well. I am not as comfy sitting down in front of the camera. My favourite scene is @ 4:23 which is a person in their element. haha love it mate. Cheers

@davidherring Месяц назад

Thank you! It was fun to make it!

@builtbytitan Месяц назад

Was an M11 owner for two years. I’ve since sold it and now have an M11M. I really love the shooting experience on the Monochrom. one thing i will say is it has me actively looking for light and shadows way more than I ever did shooting color digital…which is a good thing. - right now using the m6 for all my color work. I’ll see how long i can afford that work flow lol. Thanks for the nice videos.

@davidherring Месяц назад

I love the idea of an M mono. I rarely look at photos on my screen when I shoot. I think an M mono would make the surprise during import even better.

@forgottenamericana Месяц назад

This is something I’ve personally struggled with. I had a M10 and M10-M and when the M11 came out I decided to go color with B&W conversion when I wanted to. I found I missed the shooting experiences with a monochrom like using colored filters and the great low light performance. So I ended up getting a M11M in addition to my M11. Some of the rationale has to do with the experience. Love the barn shots from both of you.

@davidherring Месяц назад

I love the Q2M but really wish I could use longer lenses. 35 and 50 would be perfect. I'll prob end up with an M mono eventually haha.

@forgottenamericana Месяц назад

@@davidherring I hear ya Dave.... 28mm isn't one of my top favorite focal lengths (#3 if you ask me) thats the main reason why I have never bought a Q. If they made a 35mm Q, oh boy, i''d be all over that. M11M are showing up now on the used market....Great time to pick one up now it's been a few mos after the release.

@spooky_lights Месяц назад

Since I like adding grain to my black and white photos, I wonder if the monochrome sensor would add much value to that style. Wonderful video and exquisite vibes!

@davidherring Месяц назад

Thank you! I think it would really come down to specific uses.

@juddrook Месяц назад

In my experience, the monochrome sensor’s noise is very fine compared to color noise. It provides a wider range of possibilities when grain is desired.

@jdsd771007 Месяц назад

I’ve only been there in the winter months (multiple times), and I love it! One of my favorite places I’ve been. Looks beautiful in mono🙌

@davidherring Месяц назад

I love winter there too! Was just there back in January, have years prior as well. I’m there mostly fall / winter. First time in the spring!

@user-hs8zr6ln7k Месяц назад

Maybe I am not that experienced yet, but I cannot tell the difference between Q2M and M11. I watched videos that claim that because the sensor is monochrome, the bw are better...but I cannot see it.

@davidherring Месяц назад

I think for just wanting black and white photos, the Q2M is overkill for a nominal difference. I go into more depth on the link in the description.

@absonus Месяц назад

Late to the digital mono party after shooting film M`s for 30 years . However I really like my 246 which has quickly become my go to. I do BW cons on my SL2s and CL but much prefer the output from a mono sensor .Nice vid and I`ve subscribed to the news letter . PS Pleased that we don`t get that amount of snow here in the UK :) .

@davidherring Месяц назад

Thanks! Yeah this part of the USA gets a ton of snow.

@IntrovertAmateur Месяц назад

Nice comparison Dave! Looking back at the one year I had with the Q2M I think shooting with real monochrome sensors is for your own experience. You might see the tonal gradient between monochrom and color sensor, but the people you share the image with might mostly not see any difference (specially sharing on social media) and that's ok, because the experience is for yourself. As you wrote on your webpage, I think the real game changer is the real low light performance of monochrome sensors. They basically can see in the dark by providing an extreme clear image. That fact I really miss, but I didn't used it every day to justify the cost of a monochrome Leica camera 😅

@davidherring Месяц назад

Thank you! Agreed - the experience is fantastic and pushing me to improve. This will affect all of my photography.

@makmak69L7 Месяц назад

I have the best of the two words. After owning and heavily using my first Leica which is the Q2M for one year, I purchased the M-11 P. I am enjoying using both cameras.

@davidherring Месяц назад

That's awesome. I feel the same way with the M11 and Q2M.

@thatsamuellu Месяц назад

We were in Yellowstone/teton Jackson Hole 2 years ago in May as well, exactly the same weather conditions, but the experience and the memories last forever! Ok, Q2M has more pleasing and even contrast image to my eye as opposed to the M11 a little bit more contrasty.

@davidherring Месяц назад

I did have the M11 set to HC mode, so that may have had something to do with it.

@ronaldcphotography Месяц назад

Very good comparison, did you change the contrast setting in the Q2M?

@davidherring Месяц назад

Thank you! Nope, just standard.

@rf8221 Месяц назад

This is interesting because I love black & white and perhaps this would be an ideal camera for me but I love the black & white conversions I use from my Hasselblad X2D. I get clean images with great dynamic range in low light because I have IBIS at ISO 64 and the tonal range I get is silky smooth if that's what I'm going for. Or if I want I can get smooth grain with a little rough texture like in 4X5 photos. At the same time though the black & white Jpegs from my M11 are good enough for everyday family stuff and black & white edits from Lightroom are great all around.

@davidherring Месяц назад

Man I’d love to get a Hasselblad someday. Would be so stoked for a 100c on the back of my 500cm.

@JPWineberg Месяц назад

The Tetons and Jackson are definitely on my bucket list. May happen this fall. This is something I have been contemplating lately, the switch from the Q2 to either the M246 or the M10 Monochrome. Over the last two years I have been shooting, primarily, b&w. I love the ability to shoot in color when I wish with the Q2. I'm curious if there is more leeway with the dng file with a monochrome sensor. I'm curious how you processed these images. Sounds like you shot jpg hc on the M11 and curious if the Q2 files were dng or jpg. I shoot raw plus jpg hc with the Q2 and I then convert in Lightroom from the raw file. I use the HC jpg as a reference while shooting. When all is said and done I love the results I'm getting. Hope you got some better weather while you were there. Thanks for this!

@davidherring Месяц назад

Q2M were RAW. If you want, I’m happy to send you some raw files from the Q2M so you can see the latitude. Hit me up with your email @daveherring on IG.

@johannesgeenen4169 Месяц назад

The M11 barn photos show the strong vignetting of the Summicron 28. on street and portraits this can be very helpful, but on your landscapes, I like the evenly lit Q2M more. In general, I am lacking the discipline shooting B&W JPG with my M11 - I very often fall back to the raw and process a color variant. So for me, a monochrome sensor is forcing me to compose the best possible B&W image. It is still not enough to justify the investment…

@davidherring Месяц назад

That’s exactly what I’m doing… forcing BW on myself so I do it. Otherwise I will always go to color. The Q2M is helping retrain my brain.

@BrandonTalbot Месяц назад

Dave I’m assuming the vignetting that’s happening on the M11 is via the lens?

@davidherring Месяц назад

Yep it’s that 28 Summicron.

@shasha8900 Месяц назад

I have q2M and Q3 and even though I’m crazy about color the Q2M I always keep.. just something magical

@davidherring Месяц назад

There's definitely something special about it.

@SamAbram-dl1mg Месяц назад

I was a bit confused in the video, whether you see any tonality difference between the two cameras, for high ISO definitely seems that the Q2 monochrome is a winner and maybe you have a bit more texture and clarity with the Q2 monochrome, Are you keeping the Q2 mono or happy with m11 conversion.

@davidherring Месяц назад

I'm keeping the Q2M for now. It isn't as much for the results, but I've enjoyed the monochrom process!

@jonathanhughes Месяц назад

The low noise performance of the Monochrome at high ISOs is really incredible. The Q2 is a bit noisy at 6400 and is pretty unusable at 25,000. The Q2 monochrome is still clean at 50,000, and the noise that appears at 100,000 looks more like grain than digital noise. It's definitely a bit sharper, too. But I think the main appeal is the limitation of not being able to decide you want a color version later on, or adjust the various color channels to make the "perfect" black and white version. (although there's still a lot of leeway in the raw file in terms of adjusting the shadows and highlights). The other fun benefit of the M is the ability to use colored filters, but of course, that forces you to commit even more, and that's another level of limitation. My ideal camera would probably be a Q2M with a 35mm lens rather than the 28, but the camera really is inspiring to use because of its limitations.

@davidherring Месяц назад

It's honestly amazing. Up to 12500 with no issue whatsoever. Start noticing nose after that.I agree, it all looks more like grain than digital noise. Huge plus. I shot a lot of landscapes with filters (will share later) and that made the Q2M so fun. I did however feel limited by the 28mm. Probably going to get an M mono eventually.

@jonathanhughes Месяц назад

@@davidherring The M mono is very tempting, but I do enjoy the ability to "cheat" and see the composition in black and white as I'm framing it up. I'm looking forward to seeing your filtered landscape photos. Right now, I've just got a red one, but I think it may be too much. I'll probably try orange next.

@simonbnyc Месяц назад

I couldn't tell the difference, however the compression of a youtube video probably doesn't do the Q2M justice. I'd love to see prints made from the 2 cameras which would be more of a fair comparison, particularly for the low light shots. Having said that, I have a regular Q2 and I'm always astonished how stunning the in-camera B&W JPEGs are.

@davidherring Месяц назад

Agreed!

@wilfredshum3703 Месяц назад

I use my Q2M and M10M pending on requirements for fast focusing and lenses other than 28 mm. Still haven’t replaced my M10P with the M11P yet.

@davidherring Месяц назад

Thanks for sharing. I love the idea of a monochrom rangefinder.

@emanuelarchambault372 Месяц назад

Thanks for this exercise I find the M11 with high contrast give any « vignetage » as we say in France So I prefer the q2 monochrom pictures in mountain It’s the reason why I keep the 246 for the BW pictures 😉

@davidherring Месяц назад

Thanks for sharing!

@webersteve1547 Месяц назад

On social media I can post bnw photos made with my phone (processed of course). This said, my own comparison is tha my m10m beats the SL3 with ease

@davidherring Месяц назад

Thanks for sharing!

@martinvonstoll Месяц назад

If we are only competing the feature of b&w then q2 hands down. I have this camera along with the q3, and if I’m going out to shoot only b&w then I don’t hesitate in picking up the mono

@davidherring Месяц назад

Definitely. If you have one, you get the reason why to have it. This video is more for people who are on the fence or considering one, to give them a realistic look at the results vs any other camera.

@TlhOnYT Месяц назад

What’s better is subjective not objective

@davidherring Месяц назад

Of course, but anyone is welcome to provide their personal thoughts.

@user-ss6zt2mo1l Месяц назад

I F!!! hate cold weather

@davidherring Месяц назад

I love it...when I'm prepared for it. Wasn't prepared for it on this trip.

@robertsaunders5740 Месяц назад

Q2M for me ESP. on the farm set. The sky is richer, and you can see the snowflakes. M11 the sky is brighter.

@davidherring Месяц назад

Yeah, I explained the variation in the grayscale at the link in the description.

@robertsaunders5740 Месяц назад

@@davidherring I have not watched the link. After my Cataract surgery in March plus new computer glasses I find my screen and TV never looked that good. As far as the subject matter Ie buildings or car they look very much the same.

@garymc8956 Месяц назад

Social media no difference. Processing RAW files on Q big difference.

@davidherring Месяц назад

I agree with this.

@donjagoe Месяц назад

Nice! More wife!

@davidherring Месяц назад

Haha she's an introvert but I'll try!

@iam.neekeeteen Месяц назад

imo, doesn’t make any sense to shoot leica mono, i’ve barely seen any difference, for me personally it’s better to invest into M10D, than into M10(11)M

@davidherring Месяц назад

Thanks for sharing!