zhess 4096 It’s common for some popular figures in Spain to use the mother’s surname (the second one) rather than father’s or first surname if that one is very common. Everyone knows several Ruiz while Picasso is a very unique surname. Same with former Spanish president Zapatero, he’s really called Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero. Rodriguez is a very common surname, while Zapatero is way more differentiating.
This channel is basically an incarnation of that 1 thing you never really knew you wanted. Did i ever want to know the full 16 pages of Picasso's name? Not really but i really appreciate learning it. This channel is great.
He was also known as Joshua Ben Nazar(ius). Interesting enough that when you google search Nazareth in hebrew, you get images of Tiarras(Crown of thorns). the Quaran does mention him as of Maryam. Lots of question marks.
Children always took the name of their father, bin+father's name. If they said bin Maryam, it means Jesus was considered a ba... a ba... not quite right.
@@dondeestaCarter Pretty like an Arab. It's easy for Greeks (most of the time) to pronounce arabic words due to their own language pronunciation. And that comes from personal experience.
1)*Pretty much like... (Sorry to be obnoxious, but pointing out mistakes improves language skills) 2) Then he must be Arab. Or Arab-Greek. Alexandrian perhaps? Palmyrian? Syrian? Sicilian? Who knows...
@@dondeestaCarter Thanks for correcting me, it's something I need and don't get mad for. Being a 95% Greek my self (95 because you never know), I have spoken some words and phrases of Arabic side by side with people from Syria and Yemen and they were surprised to see how well executed my pronunciation was. Maybe it's only me, maybe it's because of the pronunciation features my mother tongue has.
I spotted a few mistakes and inaccuracies but that's bound to happen with videos like this, was a very interesting and thought-provoking video nonetheless!
@@ABAlphaBeta I'm not 100% sure about if they're all wrong so don't quote me (most are from personal knowledge, I only have sources for a few of them) but I'll list what I could gather during my second watch: -You pronounce "j" like you do in English where, in some cases, it probably should be /j/ ("y" in English) in my opinion, I was also gonna correct you on the pronunciation of "Jughashvili" but apparently it is /dz/ not /j/, so my bad. -I feel like you pronounce one Old French name too much like you would in Modern French, I reckon you'd pronounce the "t" in "Capet" (on the other hand I'd have said that the "in" in Jean-Baptiste Poquelin would've been nasalized but apparently nasalization was first described in French a couple decades after his death so you're probably right there) -Genghis Khan was "Chingis Kaxan", and pronounced /t͡ʃingis kaxan/ in his version of Mongolian (source: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HEoi6CpaUWw.html , fantastic video, I suggest checking his channel out) -From my knowledge of Russian, the "o" in "Davidovich" or "Дави́дович" should be less of an /o/ and more of an /a/ or a schwa - Going off of my knowledge of Polish here, the "Wł" in "Włodzimierz" would be /vw/ not /vl/ and "rz" is /ʐ/ Hell, all of this might be wrong but I'm fairly confident it isn't, and it's not just gratuitous criticism, just thought some people would be interested. It probably took a lot of time to compile all those names and of course a few errors can slip through the cracks, it's still some impressive work!
@@kobovad For you - If I may answer now basically and tomorrow in detail (giving sources as proof then of course): -j, as you said is correct -I have studied Old French academically and extensively and I can guarantee nasalisation is thought to have started in the Early Middle Ages and that the -t in Capet was silent since it came from a Latin word which had final -t and which French lost (compare et, which was written e, and caput which became chef, where the p became a f in fact, and the t was lost) -I can't speak to the quality of that video, but that is the modern pronunciation - what I had for Middle Mongolian was an aspirate k and a normal g for those sounds, will look more into it -Fair point as I said, I'm bad at slavic languages and phonology! -Apparently in Older Polish dialects (and certainly at the time of Apollinaire) l had not yet become w and was instead a dark l as in English
Confucius's name actually isn't "Kong3 Zi3(孔子)", that's just what later generations addressed him as as an honourary figure. His real name is 孔丘, or Kong3 Qiu1 in pinyin.
@@ABAlphaBeta I mean Kong Qiu was his given name tho, and it's his official name i guess. Also, ancient Chinese people had two names, a first name consisting of a surname and a one character name and a second name consisting of a surname and a two character name. Confucius's second name was 仲尼, or Zhong1 Ni2, adding a surname to that becomes 孔仲尼. Those should be his only two "real names," and "Kong3 Zi3" is just a title later developed(The Zi or Tsu at the end is common amongst honourary figures in ancient China, like Sun Tsu, Lao Tsu, and Meng Tsu). sorry this was a little long, btw I still want to see more Mount and Blade and Minecraft gameplay, maybe on a second gaming channel
@@freakrx2349 It is likely he was called "son of Mary", since the Jews placed great importance on true lineage. They saw Jesus (pbuh) as illegitimate child, so he was not called son of Joseph.
3:41 So I recently did a project on Ethiopian history, and the question of Selassie's dutch sounding name is something I investigated and I believe it's not actually dutch. Ethiopian names are patronymic, so Makonnen was his dad's name and Woldemikael was his grandfather's name. Ras (as you said) means prince. Tafari means one who is to be respected and feared. Makonnen doesn't have a good direct translation, but the best one would be "nobility" (if that makes sense). Woldemikael, sometimes referred to as Wolde Mikael, means son of Michael/ Mikael. Wolde means son and is found in other Ethiopian names, such as woldegebriel. Though Michael isn't a common name in Ethiopia, it is likely a biblical reference since historically, Ethiopia was a christian kingdom. This is what people call a false friend. Wolde can also be seen as old dutch for woods/ forest, but the Amharic word makes more sense. The reason why we call him Haile Selassie and not Tafari is that in Ethiopia, it's customary to adopt a new name once you become king. Haile Selassie is ge'ez (an old semetic language) for "Power of the Trinity". Hope this cleared some stuff up :)
0:20 as i know jews called him: yeśū ha-nōṣri or yeśū ben yōsep in hebrew, yeśū naṣrayā or yeśū bar yōsep in aramaic, christians called him: yeśū‘ naṣrayā or yeśū‘ mśīḥā in aramaic, and 5 centuries later, muslims called him: ‘isa bin maryam in arabic. but i've never heard of 'yehōśu‘a bin maryam'. such term sounds like qurabbinical hebrabic.
I think the Vietnamese surname is pronounced is pronounced "ngwien" - one syllable, a triphthong stressed on the i in the middle. I can't be bothered with the tones though
You're right - a lot of Vietnamese surnames actually look like they're written as two syllables, but they're typically pronounced as one. Nguyen, Hoang, Tien, Huynh, Duong are some examples - and sure, they've become a lot easier for us to read, but it's a little misleading trying to write out a tonal language (like Vietnamese) in the Latin alphabet. We can blame the French for this one.
Uncle Ho hmm interesting, I actually didn’t know. Was it Portuguese Jesuit missionaries that taught them? I know before Latin alphabet was introduced, the Vietnamese were using Hanzi Chinese characters to represent syllables, much like today’s Japanese. Hanzi smoothed out tonal issues but was (and still is) a pretty inefficient way to represent language
I've known several people named Nguyen, and every single one of them pronounced it like "win". Granted, this was exclusively in the US, and it might sound slightly different with a Vietnamese accent, but in America at least, it's pronounced "win" (well, actually it's pronounced a number of different ways by people who try to figure it out from the spelling - everything from Engwin to Newyen, but those are all incorrect).
@Uncle Ho it always annoys me when people cannot even handle the most basic adjustments to their native accent when pronouncing a foreign language. Similarly with the English th. Literally everyone knows how to lisp when making fun of someone, but somehow they won't pronounce the sound when it's required
@@alo5301 "Jew" is a religious connotation. He was born in Genoa, so he was italian (or better, Genoese). Period. According to your logic Sigmund Freud was jew and not german.
@Rafael Martins very true, but in the information era, you could look up their original name with a wikipedia search. Most historical figures' stage names aren't as well known because they take some digging to find. Pun intended.
@@pivotguydc1149 With Grant, it wasn't that he was using a fake name - it was a bureaucratic fuck-up at West Point, where they recorded Hiram Ulysses Grant as Ulysses Simpson Grant. I believe Simpson was his mother's maiden name. And in the video, Hiram was pronounced wrong - the I is long.
This is generally very accurate, however with the names of Richarz Cuederleun Plantagenest and Jehan Plantagenest, it depends on which of their native languages you want to use. In England and Normandy, the "st" in Plantagenest should be fully pronounced, but in Old French the "s" would be dropped. Richard the Lionheart also spoke and wrote in several varieties of Old Occitan, but I'm pretty certain that the s would also be pronounced. Occitan is quiet unique in that it has a phonology quiet different from French, as this is probably because of the lack of Old Frankish influence on it's development, and Old Occitan was also the Romance Language that retained the most Latin vocabulary out of the whole family, 30 percent more than French. Also, generally speaking, the different varieties of Norman kept much of what French gradually dropped, so pretty much everything is pronounced, and Norman was also influenced by borrowing Latin vocabulary long after it was a separate Romance Language, and at a much later stage in it's development than other closely related Langues d'oïl.
Nice attempt at pronouncing Apollinaire's real name! BTW the "rz" digraph is kinda like the French "j" only a bit harder, or voiced retroflex sibilant fricative, using the proper terminology. It is represented in English as "zh", in the transliteration of Cyrillic ж for example. You could also include Joseph Conrad or Józef Teodor Konrad Korzeniowski. :)
As a fan of history. This is my favorite RU-vid channel right now ❤️ Edit: Are you a native Spanish speaker btw?? When you pronounce Picasso's full name, you pronounce it the Spaniard way
People, stop complaining about the pronunciation, the whole point of this video wasn't for this guy to be some sort of wizzard in every language, but to SHOW YOU THE REAL NAMES OF HISTORICAL FIGURES. NOT TO NAIL THE PRONUNCIATION, BUT TO INFORM US ABOUT WHAT WERE THE REAL NAMES !
The name of Christophorus Columbus is reported in some documents related to his family. His original name is of course the italian version of the many names he was known with, since he was born in Genoa: Cristofolo Colombo. The surname Colombo is still present in nothern Italy as one of the most common. I really don't understand why so many issue about something so easy and well documented. He was born in Geona, so his actual name must be serched in italian language.
Quite an interesting video, thank you for your work. Though, while I can't claim to know very much about the pronunciation of the other languages, I found the Indian name pronunciation quite inaccurate. You seem not to be distinguishing retroflexes from regular dentals, aspirates (or murmurings) from non-aspirates, and at times, vowel lengths. And, as another commenter has pointed out, the Buddha's native tongue would have been a Prakrit, with pronunciation differing from Classical Sanskrit. And, as a student of Ancient Greek myself, I find your realizations of the Greek ones pretty improbable. Issues of vowel length, gemination, and pitch-accent apply for both, and especially in Alexander's case, I'm not sure what exactly you're going for. Because I can't tell what your target is, I can't with certainty tell if you have spelling issues too (AlexandrOs? KolLytos?). That "Bh" I see for "Philippos" makes me think you're going for an Ancient Macedonian (as opposed to mainstream Greek, including Doric or Attic) kind of pronunciation, but the aristocracy wouldn't generally have used that, and "ph" from Attic Greek would usually be a plain "b" in Macedonian. If you were to try to go for Attic, as the Macedonian aristocracy would have spoken at the time, "Bh" wouldn't exist, along with the other Northwest Greek features you've used. Anyways, as you are one of the few people on RU-vid devoted to this line of inquiry, I'd like to applaud you for your work.
For Muhammad, you might want to work on the h part: it's a sound that comes from your larynx, and should sound like a think h. The sound you made does exist in Arabic, but would have caused his name to be spelled differently (a dot above the second letter, instead of nothing). For Hiram Ulysses Grant: He's from the same part of Ohio my mom's from,so if you want to pronounce it the way the locals used to do, you need to put a stress on the Hi part of Hiram, stress the Lyss part of Ulysses, and Grant's a would have been raised--as they traditionally did in the region, and still do in New York: en.wikipedia.org/wiki//%C3%A6/_raising So HI-rum you-LISS-iz/eez Grant. That incidentally is why his wife nicknamed him "Ulyss", or just :"lyss" (Western Ohio--where Grant was from, has a traditional accent which is kind of odd: it's basically a Midwestern Accent, but the short a's follow a similar pattern to that in New York; this is because apparently a large number of people settled there from New York and New Jersey; my mom's family was on such; there are other oddities too, such as the way "ea" is sometimes pronounced "maysure" instead of "measure" is still common there--my advisor, who's from Dayton, still talks that way)
For beginner, the real name of Ho Chi Minh can be pronounced like “ Win Sing Kung”. However, the correct form might be like “ Ng(w)in Si(ñ) Kung”, where the Ng(w) is between “ng” and “w” sound, the (ñ) is like /ñ/ sound in Spanish or /ny/ sound in Hungarian. Oh and don’t forget the tonal vowel “ễ”
Cristoforo colombo's real name was "Cristoffa Combo", And it is in the Ligurian language, spoken in Liguria (northern Italy) where Christopher Columbus was born)
You left out the most interesting one of all: Charles Lindbergh. His ancestor (also named Charles) swiped the name from a local aristocrat before he emigrated. The family's ancestral name was "Manson." Yep, his real name was Charles Manson.
Would Lindberg be of Swedish extraction, Lindberg (linden-mount)? And if so would Manson have been Månson/Månsson? And if it is in deed Swedish that is a VERY common and 'common' name, not at all nobility. - in fact a Swedish short for of MARTIN SON or MÅGENSSON/MAGNUS SON
@@ulrikschackmeyer848 Interesting. I did no genealogical work on this, as I said, but he refers to it in his early autobiographical work "We." Can't remember if he said the "Lindbergh" in question was actual nobility, or just a local eminent family. He did relate that story, however, and he would have had no reason to dissemble since this was long before the notorious "Charles Manson," (his real name was actually Maddox) was ever heard of.) Just an interesting historical curiosity. I think he was of Swedish extraction.
Just a small tip from a former radiojournalism student: if you want people to listen to what you're saying, don't put songs with words in the background. Even if it's an unfamiliar language, a listener's instinct would be to try to understand the second set of speech too and untimately it diverts attention from the main narrative. So next time, please choose music-only tracks 😉
I'm from México and we call Columbus: "Cristóbal Colón", the way he was called traditionally all the way back from Spain where he lived a great portion of his life, but we are taught that since he was originally from Genova, Italia, as commonly, traditionally thought, his name would have been: "Cristóforus Columbus"… We are all taught from elementary school that was his original name and everybody "knows" that, but of course, he was a figure shrowded in mystery and uncertain shady things…
@@hirpus66 it makes sense, a lot of things especially in political, scientific and philosophical treatises were Latinized, even up to not very long ago, to the 18th or 19th century many texts were translated to and published in Latin since it was considered for quite a long time the lingua franca of the western world, much like English today. In fact in the 19th century and early 20th was still being used extensively for scientific an educational purposes in texts and communication and that's why we have as a heritage to this day the use of Latin or Latinized nomenclature for many scientific naming conventions, such as anima and plant species official scientific names, chemical elements, etcetera.
You sound like either Italian or Greek when pronouncing Spanish names, very close to the actual pronunciation or like a native from a certain region of Spain, really great pronunciation…
When I saw the part of Lenin I suddenly remembered Lenny from the simpsons and saw a connection that I confirmed when I remembered Carl, id est, Lenny is Lenin and Carl is Karl Marx. Mindblowing!
You mispronounced Ulysses Grant’s real first name (“Hiram” sounds like “HIGH-rum,” not “HEE-rum”’), and you misspelled George Orwell’s real laat name (it was “Blair,” not “Blaire”).
Oh man, your sound is so relaxing and plus the music, the combination is like a ASMR to me, and maybe you should make some ASMR content that base on history 😁
You used full name for Jesus (a.s.), so you could have used the full for Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s.): Muhammad bin Abdullah bin Abd-ul-Mutalib bin Hashim
If you translate Yehōšúa, you would get Yeshua which also means Joshua, and Joshua was the son of Joseph, making him the first Joestar (‘Jo’shua + ‘Jo’seph = JoJo)
@@CosmicDalmatian We don't know for sure, the new testament was written in Greek... And even so the culture in Roman Judea was still based upon the Hebrew foundations from the old testament times. The names system in Jewish culture contain a personal name and then the combination of the words Ben (which means son, but hey wanna go for Aramaic, cool, it's just a slight change, bar instead of ben) and then the name of the father (even if it's not a biological father, since he is the patriarch of the family.
@@CosmicDalmatian So first, my nationality has nothing to do with this but if you have to know my origins my father is a Jewish israeli and my mother is a Christian Swiss. And well, actually Jews get their last name from their father, but you are identified as a Jew only if your mother is a Jew.
@@CosmicDalmatian I was talking about the system as it was 2000 years ago. Today the "ben/bar" system is barely in use except names like "ben David" or "ben shimoni", but basically most last name of Jewish people today are taken from the local culture of their location in diaspora.
Worker: Okay so you want to work for... Maet bask? Picasso: Yes Worker: Okay... so to start whats your full name? Picasso: Oh thats easy it "odjd odgdedjd idjdidmdhdoeiw picfs idoe hacie oue vo ôjcbiw bairc opsadcu ovasico kamiod kjd indom" Worker: Ya so you cant work here Mr.... whatever
Waleed Ahmed (ح) doesn’t have an equivalent in the Latin alphabet. People who use the Latin script have difficulty pronouncing it. Unless you’re a Turk I think.
You have horrible Russian. B read like V, not b. Visarionovich is right. Il'ich. There is the right pronunciation of Lenin's Fathername. From Russia with love :3
@ABAlphabeta great work here :) just some constructive feedback on the pronunciation of Indian names. We have the soft "d" (dh), an elective soft d (ddh) as well as the retroflex d. There's a hard "th" sound, too--at the end of Siddhartha. You seem to have used the retroflex d across the board in both Siddhartha and Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
