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Real Road Test: NSU Ro80 - Radical Rotary Revolutionary! 

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In the second of the two videos from my visit to Volkswagen UK, I drive another car not developed by Volkswagen! Yes, it's the truly remarkable NSU Ro80. With a Wankel twin-rotor rotary engine, semi-automatic transmission and astonishing styling, the Ro80 has quite a reputation. But what does it drive like?
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@johnk4792
@johnk4792 5 лет назад
*I could be wrong, i think the NSU Ro80 is a work of Art*
@EmilePoelman
@EmilePoelman 5 лет назад
I totally agree!
@johnburns4017
@johnburns4017 5 лет назад
John k You are not wrong.
@robertguttman1487
@robertguttman1487 5 лет назад
Absolutely right. Just compare this with other comparable cars being sold during 1967. The RO-80 literally looked over a decade ahead of it's time. And that's not to mention that it was powered by the first entirely new type of internal-combustion engine since the diesel.
@johnburns4017
@johnburns4017 5 лет назад
@@robertguttman1487 20 years ahead!
@doktorbimmer
@doktorbimmer 5 лет назад
@John Burns *Unfortunately the downfall of the Ro80 was its unreliable Wankel engine.*
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 5 лет назад
The body styling STILL looks modern...I was saying that in 1980 /1990....Did not disappoint .Great stuff.
@smhorse
@smhorse 5 лет назад
It was at least 25 years ahead of its time. To a considerable degree, the engines didn't last because many drivers didn't really know how to make best use of a semi-auto, which was to treat it purely like a two-pedal manual. Instead they would start off in 2nd (sometimes even 3rd), so the rotors would slog away which did the tip seals no good.
@jamesgallagher1992
@jamesgallagher1992 5 лет назад
Aye still looks cool even now
@richardnevillewalker672
@richardnevillewalker672 5 лет назад
It is a great looking car even now, for sure.
@2012hinn
@2012hinn 5 лет назад
I remember in the 90s I was thumbing through my dads 1968 car catalogue and was taken aback by pictures of the RO80 as I thought someone took a modern car and chucked it into a 60s car book
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 5 лет назад
@@2012hinn Ha ha marvelous. I love that.
@BanjoLuke1
@BanjoLuke1 2 года назад
I was driven in one of these as a child. I haven't sat in one since. It was like sitting in the set of a futuristic TV show. Even the colours were funky. To a UK child used to Vauxhall Victor FDs, Ford Corsairs, Austin A40s, P5 Rovers and Land Crabs, it was utterly, unimaginably bizarre and wonderful.
@MrTumshie
@MrTumshie 5 лет назад
I don't care how 'troublesome' they can be- that is on of the best looking cars I've ever seen! And now I want one.
@MajorKlanga
@MajorKlanga 5 лет назад
It wasn't just the K70 that VW wanted, NSU were developing a new small car to replace the Prinz, a car with transverse front engine driving through unequal length drive shafts. That car was to become the Audi 50 and then the Polo.
@gerardbosvonhohenfels1866
@gerardbosvonhohenfels1866 4 года назад
Not quit right. The Audi 50 was build alongside the Polo. You could almost not see any difference besides the logo's, however the Polo was much more successful then the 50, because in that time the Audi was much more expensive then the Polo, so the customers (who knew the good reputation of VW) bought the Polo. That was at once the death sentence for the 50 while the Polo got the green light to go further.
@zman1998b
@zman1998b 3 года назад
@@gerardbosvonhohenfels1866 but the prototype for those car as far as i know was developed by NSU.
@danielrussell446
@danielrussell446 2 года назад
@@zman1998b yes it was
@ralphdyson7926
@ralphdyson7926 5 лет назад
I am no big fan of older cars, but the RO 80 is one of the few exceptions. A masterpiece.
@themysterycook7320
@themysterycook7320 10 месяцев назад
An old fiat 124 is superior to an old NSU in just about every conceivable way..same goes for old Alfas, old lancias, Olde worked BMW's Mercs & even horrid old Citroen..
@pinkyn0se
@pinkyn0se 5 лет назад
Don't forget cast alloy wheels! And indicators integrated into the headlight - Something that didn't really become mainstream until the nineties!
@ralphups7782
@ralphups7782 5 лет назад
The styling of the the car, reminds me very much of our wonderful British Jenson interceptor.👍
@wollaminfaetter
@wollaminfaetter 5 лет назад
Why?
@eclectarama
@eclectarama 5 лет назад
@ralph ups Completely with you.
@muttt.whopull3252
@muttt.whopull3252 5 лет назад
I can see what you're getting at.
@giuliopedrali116
@giuliopedrali116 5 лет назад
Jensen Interceptor, NSU Ro80 and Alfasud are the most spectacular cars of every time.
@jfv65
@jfv65 4 года назад
@@wollaminfaetter maybe because the Jensen Interceptor FF was the first production car with the Ferguson 4wheel drive system? (Many years earlier then the Audi Ur Quattro and the AMC Eagle) Or maybe because it was the first production car ever to have (Teves) ABS brakes? The Jensen Interceptor FF was a very special very up market car.
@Ragnar8504
@Ragnar8504 5 лет назад
VW had a semi-auto like that too, a friend of mine drives an early-70s semi-auto Beetle originally bought by his parents. Sachsenring went a little less fancy, the Trabant Hycomat (designed for invalids with only one foot and never sold to the general public) just had a hydraulically operated clutch actuated by a switch in the gear lever but no torque converter. Almost 15 years ago I walked around Vienna one morning and suddenly heard an engine I'd never heard before somewhere behind me. Turned my head as fast as I could and saw a golden(!) NSU Ro 80 disappear round the corner. I think that's the only one I've ever seen.
@roadie3124
@roadie3124 4 года назад
There was also a semi-auto like that in a Porsche 911 Sportomatic.
@lukeprice2240
@lukeprice2240 5 лет назад
In this comment, sponsored by Lancaster Insurance, I admit that I’d really love to own an Ro80. Fascinating machine and a great insight!
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 5 лет назад
In this reply sponsored by Lancaster Insurance I'd like to say that comment made me insure my lawn mower again just to be on the safe side.-
@RWBHere
@RWBHere 5 лет назад
@@martinda7446 'Ah, but who sponsors Lancaster Insurance?', he asks, throwing a Lancaster Insurance sponsored spanner into the sponsored by Lancaster Insurance works.
@JamesBond-pb2qy
@JamesBond-pb2qy 3 года назад
Got one in Pasadena California for sale $25.000 Dark blue
@steveunderwood3683
@steveunderwood3683 3 года назад
In the late 70s a colleague had an RO80 he acquired from a company that used a small fleet of them to operate a long distance pre-booked taxi service across the UK. Having spent most of its life at a fairly steady high speed, the engine had stayed in great condition, even though the car had done a high mileage.
@johnalexander5055
@johnalexander5055 4 года назад
Good few years back my son and I were in a scrappy ,there was an Ro80 next to a Morris 1000. I pointed them out my son and told him they were the same age. To say he was gobsmacked would be a massive understatement.
@rafthejaf8789
@rafthejaf8789 5 лет назад
When I was young my dad had two RO80's, one after the other. I can still remember the day he brought it home and I thought what is that! However I grew to love them. I became old enough to drive the second one and I loved getting behind the wheel. They drove like the wind and the brakes were amazing. You felt like you had driven into the future, kind of like the DS although not as much. It still looks modern today and back in those days you felt in another league from most cars. Looking at this video brings back memories and what's incredible is how well it fits in on today's roads.
@gosportjamie
@gosportjamie 5 лет назад
Every time I see an RO80 I see a direct link with the aerodynamic Audi 100 of 1982, so many styling cues that were very clearly taken directly from this car. It's a shame this car was so far ahead of its time that material technology wasn't really up to what the engineers could dream up. This car really should have been a complete game changer, and in some ways it was...
@seanoneillsongs
@seanoneillsongs 5 лет назад
gosportjamie totally agree. That Audi was more subtly ahead of its time and I wonder it there is any car built today that doesn’t have some small. Influence from it - windows that aren’t set half an inch or so into the frames are a thing of the past.
@gosportjamie
@gosportjamie 5 лет назад
@@seanoneillsongs Yup, in a lot of ways this car and the 100 are probably the most influential cars ever...
@Roger_Ramjet
@Roger_Ramjet Год назад
​@@gosportjamie throw a Citroen or two I'm the mix and yes indeed
@MillerCorner
@MillerCorner 5 лет назад
23:00 precisely why I love old cars! Almost every car was genuinely different and interesting, as opposed to small hybrid SUVs left, right and centre...
@DoctorBrodski
@DoctorBrodski 4 года назад
That's right. It's not the miles per gallon that matter, it's the smiles per gallon!
@TassieLorenzo
@TassieLorenzo 2 года назад
I'm not sure that is 100% true TBH. The 1975 Toyota Corolla, 1975 Datsun 120Y, 1975 Morris Marina, 1975 Vauxhall Viva and 1975 Ford Escort arguably all look rather similar. While there was the potential to create a design classic (for better or worse) with every new model (e.g., AMC Pacer, Lleyland Princess, Citroen GS), not everyone actually did! Plenty of manufacturers seemed to follow the trends and play it safe, just as they do today.
@repairupdaterepeat5815
@repairupdaterepeat5815 5 лет назад
Your ability to say "wankle" without laughing deserves a RU-vid play button on it's own
@lenpowell6647
@lenpowell6647 5 лет назад
He resorted rapidly to "Vankle" for that reason methinks!?
@djphilmanns
@djphilmanns 5 лет назад
It makes for a nice change to read so many positive comments about the Ro80. The internet is full of haters with no actual experience of the car, but who like to stick the knife in at every opportunity. The reality is that these cars are not unreliable and were in fact recently voted in Germany as one of the most dependable classics to own. There is now 52 years of owner and specialist experience behind the Ro80 and with this knowledge many are covering hundreds of thousands of miles without any need for rebuild. There are also ceramic apex seals available which produce zero wear on the housing surface. I’ve been running Ro80’s for the last 30+ years, and never do I set off on a journey with any doubt in the car. My 69 car has taken us to Italy five times as well as countless other European destinations. The only issue I had was old tyres blowing out on the Autobahn, a mistake I’ve never made since!
@histriamagna1014
@histriamagna1014 5 лет назад
Congratulations for owning such a lovely car.
@martinpook5707
@martinpook5707 5 лет назад
I loved the RO80 styling, brilliant.
@johnnorth9355
@johnnorth9355 5 лет назад
In my mind the most beautiful and modern saloon car of the era that I lusted after in the way that only the young and impecunious can. Devastated when they disappeared it took me some years more to understand that when we are promised a bright new future we are being lied to. RIP the Wankel engine.
@Stevieweevietv
@Stevieweevietv 5 лет назад
That's a beauty. The colour too! I'm so envious of you driving all these classics. I wish I had the money...I'd buy a whole fleet!
@Andy-pu2iv
@Andy-pu2iv 5 лет назад
Always loved the styling of the Ro80. A beautiful car.
@paulrenowden8617
@paulrenowden8617 5 лет назад
Superb video. My Grandad had one, said it was the most special car he'd ever had. Broke his heart when he had to get rid.
@adampoll4977
@adampoll4977 5 лет назад
You really do need a "Triangle of Doom" t-shirt made up :)
@LiamskiLFC
@LiamskiLFC 5 лет назад
Hallelujah!
@ants9230
@ants9230 5 лет назад
could be open to all sorts of misinterpretation :-)
@adampoll4977
@adampoll4977 5 лет назад
@@ants9230 That's what makes it brilliant ;)
@timbimjim514
@timbimjim514 5 лет назад
My ex-wife had a triangle of doom.
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 5 лет назад
@@timbimjim514 Comments like that will always get recognition.
@marketmalc
@marketmalc 5 лет назад
We owned one of these back in the 70s. Fabulous. Took a bit of getting used to SEMI automatic. My Dad nearly broke my nose the 1st time he drove it thinking he was going for the clutch pedal but hit the brake! The exhaust could glow red hot, Literally. The instructions said not to park it on grass when ticking over, it could set it on fire! Very high speed and really quite. Frightened myself a couple of times. It wasn't very old when we had the 1973 model I think.
@EngineeringVignettes
@EngineeringVignettes 5 лет назад
It sounds like, *the future* Honestly it really looks like a car designed 20 years ahead of its time. I really like the body styling. Not sure I would trust that clutch engagement system though... its looks a bit _shifty_ (sorry, couldn't help myself) Cheers,
@roadie3124
@roadie3124 4 года назад
Early Saabs (96? 99?) had seat belts like that. I did 8 weeks work experience at Rolls Royce in Crewe in the middle of my engineering degree in 1968 or 69. The development engineers had an RO80 and were evaluating it. The gold plated electrical contacts got a tick of approval. In general, they were impressed.
@philpaxton2078
@philpaxton2078 5 лет назад
You've finally driven my favourite car ever. Excellent. Must have looked like a space ship compared to the ancient looking cars around at the time.
@theaylesburycyclist8756
@theaylesburycyclist8756 5 лет назад
Blimey!! That's a blast from the past... My Mk1 VW Golf had those exact same seat belt fasteners.
@smhorse
@smhorse 5 лет назад
Yes, the basic Golf N/Golf L in 1979 (the one with the new all plastic bumpers) had those simple bar fasteners.
@theaylesburycyclist8756
@theaylesburycyclist8756 5 лет назад
@@smhorse Mine was a Golf Driver, in pea green, with the most amazing black and white 'shark tooth' fabric seats. I think it was a 1.2 litre engine, if my memory serves me correctly. Wish I still had that car...
@smhorse
@smhorse 5 лет назад
TheAylesburyCyclist : either 1093cc or 1272cc
@pierrerheaume8864
@pierrerheaume8864 5 лет назад
Your video took me right back to the late 70' Mr HubNut when I was driving a Mazda rx4 estate all over British Columbia ,down to the engine roar!What a fantastic little car that was when fuel was 25 cents a litre. Oh those seventies...
@regulator67bj
@regulator67bj 5 лет назад
Had to honour of spending my apprenticeship at an NSU main dealership in the early 1970s servicing/troubleshooting was an education, Thanks for the review moments
4 года назад
You must have encountered the numerous faults me and so many others had in the brand new Prinz 3 and Prinz 4 in the early and mid sixties. constantly sticky and jamming throttle pedals plus a gearbox that became tighter and tighter as the engine warmed up, necessitating using brute strength to change gear. I and countless others complained but, the dealers clammed up.
@solent7430
@solent7430 5 лет назад
I’ve long been fascinated by the Ro80. Astonishing engineering for its day! Great review Ian 👍🏻
@sgtgrash
@sgtgrash 5 лет назад
Gorgeous machine... NSU Ro80: Back To The Future!
@paulbennell3313
@paulbennell3313 5 лет назад
Strange to think when the RO80 went on sale you could still buy a brand new Austin Cambridge...
@mr-wx3lv
@mr-wx3lv 5 лет назад
Rover did have its P6 introduced in 1963 which was revolutionary for its time.
@paulbennell3313
@paulbennell3313 5 лет назад
I'll say it was! Well ahead of the curve and still a car I lust after.
@andrewthompsonuk1
@andrewthompsonuk1 5 лет назад
@@mr-wx3lv especially if that gas turbine worked.
@tinypurplefishesrunlaughin8052
VW Rabbit has NSU motor , stamped proudly on motor
@tinypurplefishesrunlaughin8052
Paul Bennell I owned the first year RX4 , it had an 850 Holley double pumper stock , 10 to14 MPG, but ran dead even with an SS 396 Malibu/Chevelle in the quarter, surprised everyone on Saturday night.
@spring74light
@spring74light 4 года назад
Ah, nostalgia! The Ro 80 is the only car I have ever had. 3 examples, '68, '69 and '73. Mainly rescued from scrapyards. I expended the prime years of my life on these machines. (I say "on" rather than "in".) I was quite intrigued by them. I developed my own system to rebuild the engines, although the engine spares were always astonishingly expensive! Contributors to Ro discussions often refer to the problems of apex seals. In my experience, at least as serious were difficulties associated with the starting seals - thin curved strips of IKA alloy spring-loaded into slots in the flat rotor faces to provide start-up compression. If these became worn, or coked-in, then the motor became exceedingly difficult to coax into life. (Believe me, there is nothing QUITE like a Ro that won't start!) Happy Days!
@HowardLeVert
@HowardLeVert 5 лет назад
The Ro.80: one of, if not probably *the* most beautiful motor cars of all time. Thinking about the original engine and those Ford V4 replacements: now imagine this car... electric. Wouldn't that be something really rather wonderful?
@edwardkennedy9919
@edwardkennedy9919 2 года назад
No it would be useless like all EV car's.
@kagnewmp12
@kagnewmp12 4 года назад
I was a US Army Military Policeman in Wurzburg Germany from 1978 to 1982 and the very first car I bought was an orange in color NSU RO80. This was a left side driving car with less than 12000 KM on the engine. The car was absolutely flawless and very fast and nice to drive. It took very little time to learn to drive because you had to shift it without a clutch. I only had the car for less than 3 months when I was hit by a speeding drunk driver in the big traffic circle downtown. The impact was hard enough that it drove the front bumper into the drivers side tire and blew it up. I was actually able to sell it to someone looking for a newer engine for his car. It was nice while it lasted.
@TechnikMeister2
@TechnikMeister2 5 лет назад
In Australia they replace the motor with a Mazda and an adapter plate to the torque converter. They are a great car.
@tronkel1
@tronkel1 5 лет назад
Herr Dr. Wankel was an astonishingly gifted engineer. The present-day automotive design engineers are still struggling to catch up with him!
@CaptHollister
@CaptHollister 5 лет назад
Either that, or he designed an inherently dirty and inefficient engine that heats the incoming air/fuel mixture by necessity and burns engine oil by design, just like a two-stroke, because there is no other way to lube the apex seals. Kudos to Mazda engineers, who are obviously every bit as smart as Dr.Wankel, for managing to keep its fuel consumption and emissions under control for so long, but even they had to give up eventually.
@doktorbimmer
@doktorbimmer 5 лет назад
*Indeed he was, but he hated the KKM-57 engine... this engine was created without his knowledge, approval or assistance by Dr. Hanns Paschke and Walter Freode. Doktor Wankel's DKM-54 design was a true Millet-type Rotary engine... this elegant, much lighter and silky smooth engine layout was derived from and intended for racing motorcycles but NSU had no interest in mass producing Wankel's expensive and difficult to service rotary... it instead chose Paschke and Froede to develop the conventional (non-rotary) layout that would see production.*
@waynetetley584
@waynetetley584 5 лет назад
Great road test. Love its design features ie integrated headlamps and roll top windscreen making it look modern 50 yes 50 years later!
@Shane-zx4ps
@Shane-zx4ps 5 лет назад
Wayne Tetley I cant believe how much it looks like the bmws from the same period when you look at them from the side?
@histriamagna1014
@histriamagna1014 5 лет назад
At last 15 years ahead of it's time.
@davidraven8338
@davidraven8338 3 года назад
I loved that as a teen in the 80's. Something very special appealed to me about it....it still does. God it's nice.
@Bfoxfield1
@Bfoxfield1 5 лет назад
it`s dark, miserable and it`s raining. I`m sitting here with a nice cup of tea and a delicious flapjack so what could be better than watching a review of a fantastic Ro80?
@champcol
@champcol 5 лет назад
What a beautiful looking car.
@rhiantaylor3446
@rhiantaylor3446 5 лет назад
My alfasud had seat belts like that - loved them. I recall a contemporary review commented on the price by saving it was pitched against the likes of the XJ6.... and also said that the oil consumption was very high to the point that the car did not require an oil change as such - just keep topping it up !
@smhorse
@smhorse 5 лет назад
The comment about the oil change not being required also helped to shorten the engine life at the time. Turned out that regular oil and filter changes would actually help it last longer.
@giuliopedrali116
@giuliopedrali116 5 лет назад
Alfasud and Ro80 the top of the top of the top of the top
@ianlawrie919
@ianlawrie919 5 лет назад
Fabulous video! great to see Mr. HubNut enthuse so about a car and an era. Reminded me of the days of Renault 6, Fiat 124, Simca rear engine and Opel 1900 Rekord.
@SB-vb8ch
@SB-vb8ch 5 лет назад
Love the looks of these, very much ahead of their time with a properly coherent design which took the best part of 20 years for everyone else to catch up with.
@Steve-bo6ht
@Steve-bo6ht 5 лет назад
That seat belt buckle design is the work of the gods, totally blown away with that incredible ingenuity
@andrewbarnes1295
@andrewbarnes1295 5 лет назад
Had a Golf MkI with seatbelts like that which I thought worked really well but not seen them again until now.
@bertramlefarge69
@bertramlefarge69 5 лет назад
The idea is to not rev the engine...proceeds to rev the engine lol.
@lambroyannoulatos964
@lambroyannoulatos964 3 года назад
It's the only way to drive an NSURo80, above 3500 to 6000 RPM's owned 3 of those. You could keep up with a Jag E type on the open road or a 911 Porche at top speeds of 190 to 210 kph. for 2 to 3 hrs continuously for a 400 to 500 kms range, whence one had to refill and top up engine oil if required.
@robertguttman1487
@robertguttman1487 5 лет назад
I am old enough to remember when this car first came out (1967), and the sensation that it stirred in the automotive world. As a result, despite the fact that it was never sold in the U.S., I did know about it. At the time I thought it looked both beautiful and futuristic. In fact, I still think it resembles some of the cars that Audi made a dozen or so years later. Considering the fact that Volkswagen bought out NSU, and that Audi was also a VW subsidiary, perhaps that was not a coincidence. Of course, the big story with the RO-80 was it's revolutionary Wankel engine, which NSU introduced. While the company's preceding "Sport Prinz" two-seat roadster had a single-rotor Wankel, the RO-80 had a larger and more powerful two-rotor version. It was said to be extremely powerful for it's size, and as smooth as a turbine. Speculation was rife about how long it would be before the rest of the auto industry caught up with NSU and began building Wankel-engined cars. Mazda was known to be working on one, and supposedly GM was interested as well. Unfortunately, the elephant in the room soon made it's appearance. This car was released before the problem of wear on the apex seals of the rotors had been completely sorted out. It was alleged that they would wear out after as little as 10,000 miles, requiring a complete engine rebuild. That spelled doom not only for the RO-80, but NSU asa well. The early Mazda rotary-engined cars, which began to appear in the U.S. during the early 1970s, exhibited the same lack of reliability. However, unlike NSU, Mazda was able to persist long enough to finally develop the Wankel to the point where their RX-7 sports coupe became a reasonably reliable car, but that did not happen until the early 1980s.
@jys160
@jys160 5 лет назад
I remember when these came out they were so futuristic and desirable but out of my reach. Nice to see the road test and as you say quite ahead of its time.
@ianfryer8386
@ianfryer8386 5 лет назад
An NSU Ro80 in exactly the same shade of blue featured as the regular transport of Nyree Dawn Porter in the second season of 1970s crime series The Protectors. That is a great series for lovers of unusual 70s cars.
@Lyingleyen
@Lyingleyen 5 лет назад
If my memory serves me correctly the NSU Ro80 has early alloy wheels as well. A truly modern car in so many respects.
@bruceclark1537
@bruceclark1537 3 года назад
yes they were magnesium alloy ! the whole car was well ahead of their time
@grayfool
@grayfool 5 лет назад
The car I prayed my dad would buy. Yeah, right. . . He jumped at the chance to be mediocre and got a Hilman Hunter 1500 DL. Oh joy! I am truly jealous of you Ian. Thanks so much for a trip down memory lane.
@rustywreck6631
@rustywreck6631 5 лет назад
Gray Fool used to have a hillman hunter 1500 & 1750 loved the 1500 smooth car
@chrispenn715
@chrispenn715 5 лет назад
Thanks for a great test - always liked these since I was a kid. I remember reading all the running reports in Motor and Autocar, with all their trials and tribulations. You've made me want one more than ever!!!!!!!!
@marcusdamberger
@marcusdamberger 5 лет назад
Integrated composite headlamps! This wouldn't have been allowed in U.S. tell 1984.. Looks so nice! Such a nice modern flair. Love the sloping front styling. The Audi 80 next to it in the video looks like from a previous decade yet only a year apart.
@Eis_Bear
@Eis_Bear 5 лет назад
I love this car, it's high on my wishlist of cars I want to own at some point. Maybe even at No. 1. I think it's hard to judge a car like this, when you're in it you don't feel like you're in a 60's car.. more like an 80's car. When this came to market most of the UK was still driving around in Morris Minors.
@ShaunMurray63
@ShaunMurray63 5 лет назад
My eyes nearly popped out of my head when I saw one of these as a kid and was engrossed when my uncle Frank explained to me the workings of the wankel rotary engine , fantastic video Ian.
@otto.a.2465
@otto.a.2465 5 лет назад
Nice video Ian, these NSUs have always fascinated me thanks! I remember having a Citroën CX 2400 with a semi automatic gearbox back in the 80s, very similar.
@global_nomad.
@global_nomad. 5 лет назад
grew up with one of these in the 1970's. Every time dad put petrol in it he topped up the oil too.....he always loved the way it drove though..
@andrewthompsonuk1
@andrewthompsonuk1 5 лет назад
Fantastic car. I drove a Citroën CX with a similar gearbox once. There are many design cues that others followed a decade later.
@Jablonski277
@Jablonski277 5 лет назад
C matic?
@andrewthompsonuk1
@andrewthompsonuk1 5 лет назад
@@Jablonski277 yes C Matic I had forgotten the name. I do not think it disingauged with the gear knob but can't remember.
@emjayay
@emjayay 4 года назад
@@andrewthompsonuk1 VW Beetles had a similar option, but maybe only two gears. Same touching the gear knob clutch release. I'm guessing the same German company made both.
@salipander6570
@salipander6570 5 лет назад
1967! I'm 52, that's what happens when you're from 1967. And they made this just before I was born, this car is so immensely amazing!! No other words for it...
@davidhayes4814
@davidhayes4814 5 лет назад
NSU Ro80 .... a nominal 1 litre...... the power of a 2 litre...... the fuel consumption of a 3 litre..... the running costs of a 5 litre.... the oil consumption of a God knows what.... this car cost much more than a XJ6.
@drd6416
@drd6416 5 лет назад
Stick in a renesis mill with sequential turbos.... But ensure that you uprated the suspension too 😁
@phil955i
@phil955i 5 лет назад
Depends who's calculating the cubic capacity. The Norton Rotary motorcycle was registered as 588cc yet the FIM classed it as 1100cc for racing purposes.
@smhorse
@smhorse 5 лет назад
@@drd6416 : putting too much power through will shorten the life of the semi-auto, the bearings of which were supposedly only designed to handle up to about 150hp. Some owners (especially in Germany) have uprated to 175hp or more, but that's not good for the gearbox.
@drd6416
@drd6416 5 лет назад
Well I'd expect a different gearbox to go with the engine. We might as well say "don't forget the brakes too" just for the pedants out there 🤣🙄
@CaptHollister
@CaptHollister 5 лет назад
@@phil955i The manufacturers of Wankels tend to calculate the capacity by counting only one chamber per rotor housing, many engineers believe you should count all three chambers per housing, which would make the R080 a 3 litre car and the Norton F1 and Suzuki Re5 1.8L and 1.5L, respectively. The FIM inexplicably settled on including 2 chambers only.
@garrytalbot3456
@garrytalbot3456 5 лет назад
I remember one of these from my childhood, my dad had just purchased a 1971 Mk 4 Zodiac 3 litre (in about '73) and someone down the road bought a late 60s RO80 in bright orange. The Nsu looked like a space ship. However I do recall that for a long time it sat on axle stands in a front garden and once returned to the road it always sounded different. I suspect this was when the Wankel went and a v4 replaced it.
@grant1352
@grant1352 5 лет назад
had a friend in New Zealand, his wife bought a Ro 80 without telling him first for $5000 NZD in 1975...he was a bit annoyed at the time
@russellthechemist8291
@russellthechemist8291 5 лет назад
An astonishing machine. At least 20 years ahead of its time.
@burlatsdemontaigne6147
@burlatsdemontaigne6147 5 лет назад
Makes the Audi look dowdy. (which, quite by accident, rhymes!)
@paulrandomview
@paulrandomview 5 лет назад
What an interesting video, thanks. The engine noise is lovely. Styling was way ahead of its time, and still looks attractive today.
@jaggass
@jaggass 5 лет назад
Styling wise you can see the influences it had on the Jaguar XJ, Morris Marina and a Mercedes W123.
@derek-press
@derek-press 5 лет назад
the first thing that sprung to my mind was the DB5, not the front grill but the styling but yes definitely W123
@notmanynamesleft
@notmanynamesleft 5 лет назад
The windows are significantly like jaguar design.
@StuckinRiyadh
@StuckinRiyadh Год назад
Had a lift in one in 1970 on the A45, hitchhiking to Harwich. The faster it went the quieter it got. The driver said he was on the third engine already. Most finished up with conventional engines fitted, I think. A great video HN.
@andicog
@andicog 5 лет назад
I always thought the Audi 80/90 from the late 80's has a similar shape. You now need to find a K70, I've never driven one but knew a few people who had them back in the day and despite the plain looks, they all raved about them, same as the 505gti Peugeot, underrated.
@drd6416
@drd6416 5 лет назад
My friends dad still had one until recently - on Danish plates.....
@keithammleter3824
@keithammleter3824 5 лет назад
When RO-80's were new, I worked in a large depot across the road from an ordinary BP service station. And 3 doors down a recently opened car dealer - who imported three NSU RO-980's. Sold as a luxury car priced to compete against the well established and very durable and reliable Mercedes 230. It took them 3 months to sell all three RO-80's. They needed special oil which the BP service station agreed to stock. The oild is continuously consumed. One RO-80 was sold to a "little old lady" who drove it home - in Albany, 600 km away. When she got there, the engine was a write-off. Another was sold to some local chap who bought his oil from the BP service station. All good for about three months, and then he started to make regular trips to a town 150 km away. He had to buy oil at that town - but of course they didn't have the special RO-80 oil, and sold him standard piston engine oil. With months the engine was ruined. The chap who owned the BP service station told me he never found out what happened to the third vehicle. But as he was the only person in the State to stock the correct oil, it can't have been good. If a dealer sold junk like the NSU today, he would be pursued under consumer protection law, and could well end up in jail.
@General.Longstreet
@General.Longstreet 5 лет назад
An amazing car for it's time. To think we were still making Morris minors at the same time this was being made.
@melb6528
@melb6528 5 лет назад
They were still making beetles at the same time in too!
@colinjohnston8519
@colinjohnston8519 5 лет назад
So? Morris minor was a beetle competitor. We made jaguars to compete with these and they where more reliable, so was the minor tbf. You're comparing apples to pairs.
@paulpattison2592
@paulpattison2592 4 года назад
Great review of a car that has interested me since I was at school and read the Autocar roadtest in 1967/68. You, and in none of the many comments that I have managed to read has it been mentioned that this was an aerodynamic design : after all this time I can still remember that the roadtesters observed that at speeds over 80mph in rain it was not necessary to use the wipers.... I also recall that the launch advertising claimed that the car was so advanced that "it will be 17 years before other manufacturers catch up...."
@kimkiriniki9433
@kimkiriniki9433 5 лет назад
Fascinating car, rather like a German Citroen DS. I remember seeing three of these gathering dust at the back of a garage in Harare, one had been fitted with a Ford V6 engine.
@richardrichard5409
@richardrichard5409 4 года назад
Ford V6 engine is very unusual, most had Ford V4 dropped in.
@jonathaneastwood2927
@jonathaneastwood2927 4 года назад
What a boring defeatist thing to do!
@smhorse
@smhorse 5 лет назад
I had a Ro80 for four years. Previous owner had installed a Mazda 13B Wankel in it. Superb, with plenty of room for driver and passengers to spread themselves - the interior floor is almost completely flat, no transmission tunnel and no space-eating central console. Always regret having to sell it. Nothing to be afraid of - just observe oil and filter changes regularly (every 4000 miles or so) and always use mineral oil. One owner went way past 100,000 miles on the same NSU engine simply by doing that. Sadly there are only about 35 or so on British roads this year, so the chances of actually buying one are tiny now, as owners tend to hang onto them. I remember that the VW-owned example driven by HubNut in the video was formerly owned by a Ro80 Club GB member in the 1990s - sadly the Club itself is defunct; it didn't seem to last very long after the Club Chairman George Cordingley died. I had a VW K70 too when I was a student - the 1605cc 90hp "L". Out of the total production (about 211,127 or so), only 800 were ever built in right-hand-drive and when I had mine (1989-92), there were only about 12 working ones in Britain. Struggled to sell during the four years it was available. Try to find one now! Modest performance unless you went for the 1807cc "LS", and aerodynamics of a brick. Not as refined as the Ro80 though some of the chassis technology was shared, including inboard brake discs at the front. Lots of passenger room at the back, though. Very heavy unassisted steering, 4-speed manual and in RHD cars, no space to rest your foot beside the clutch pedal. The change into 2nd gear always crunched when cold. Virtually no part of the K70 was shared with any other contemporary VW model, except maybe the oil filter.
@RexWaldron
@RexWaldron 5 лет назад
I remember being absolutely wowed by the Ro80 when it won Car Magazine's "car of the year" award in 1968 (I still have my edition of the magazine). It looked like the future had arrived and I wanted one when I grew up. Sadly that has never happened. Fantastic review as always and interesting to see how that gearbox works in practice.
@smhorse
@smhorse 5 лет назад
I had one. Never regretted it, but did regret having to sell it. Still do.
@onesandzeroes
@onesandzeroes 5 лет назад
What an innovative car. Everything, including the styling, is quite revolutionary.
@wanderinggentile
@wanderinggentile 5 лет назад
The unidentified knob on the dash looks like the manual choke symbol from my old Opel. It might explain the Mazda 323F-like rev situation. The Ro80 had a drag coefficient of 0.29, which would be competitive today. The choice of gearbox is curious, as rotary enthusiasts will describe any rotary as having "x horsepower and four torques." The box shares its concept with the subsequent Volkswagen Automatic Stick Shift, which lacked a park position, and the lowest gear was a granny gear for enhanced engine braking. By the early eighties, Ford V-4 and V-6 engines were replaced with the significantly more reliable Mazda rotaries, which were by then proving durable over 100,000 miles. Cheers!
@smhorse
@smhorse 5 лет назад
Cd. was 0.355 for the production cars; compared well with the Citroen DS which was similar. 0.29 may have been achieved with some of the development clay models.
@rosco-reigns
@rosco-reigns 2 года назад
The Ro80 is the "Big Lebowski" of cars. Always wanted to see one in detail. Thanks HubNut
@lookandlisten5740
@lookandlisten5740 5 лет назад
Gorgeous looking car...more 1980s than late 60s.
@MegaBreadvan
@MegaBreadvan 2 года назад
Can just imagine hearing "Autobahn" by Kraftwerk in the background. What an amazing car, despite the little glitches.
@Prestonesfpv
@Prestonesfpv 5 лет назад
Its such a beautiful car, have loved it since i was a little boy many moons ago
@philw4625
@philw4625 5 лет назад
Such a good looking car. Would almost consider buying one if they were on sale today. Must have been utterly radical in its day!
@rollingtroll
@rollingtroll 5 лет назад
This one has been at the top of my 'must drive once' list for at least a decade. I am jealous but also really happy this video is online. You can even see the waywardness of the suspension in the video, haha. I think I'd absolutely adore it. As for semi-automatic; It makes some sense to me. Automatics never do what I want, manuals are a bit more work (even though I don't mind). I guess these things are perfect for people who have a mind of their own, but not the mechanical sympathy to handle three pedals :D.
@PaulinesPastimes
@PaulinesPastimes 5 лет назад
What a masterpiece. Such a futuristic design for 1967! I always loved the steering wheel for some reason and, if it wasn't for the left hand drive wiper coverage, the whole package would be almost perfect. Another treat for those who will never drive one. Thank you.
@timelwell7002
@timelwell7002 5 лет назад
My dad considered buying one of these, but thought it best to see if the car had any teething problems prior to making a decision. In the light of the problems which emerged with the Wankel engine, he decided against it, which showed a degree of sagacity on his part. He bought a Volvo 1800 sport instead, and I recall being a passenger as he drove down the A3 at 120 MPH in it... Later he owned an NSU Prinz, which I drove back with him from the West country - within the speed limit, on that occasion - the year 1972, if my memory serves. I remember enjoying the Prinz with it's slightly quirky look and semi-automatic transmission. Then in the late 1970s he bought a Mazda RX-3 (4-door saloon with a rotary Wankel engine), which I also drove, along with my brother, and that too was a very nice car, albeit rather thirsty on fuel - but it was quite rapid, I seem to remember. I'm sorry that dad didn't get an RO80... After the Citroen DS, I think it the best-looking car ever made. I've never been in an Ro80 but I suspect the body roll is somewhat less than the Citroen Ami 8 Break I used to own in the 1980's; that too was great fun to drive, although not quite so rapid... Thanks for this road test/appraisal, who knows maybe I'll get to drive an Ro80 myself some day!
@yurifoxx3983
@yurifoxx3983 4 года назад
"Vorsprung durch Technik" (progress through technology) is originally a Audi-NSU Auto Union slogan from 1971, later exclusivly used for Audi, which perfectly fits to this amazing car.
@Bevoin1970
@Bevoin1970 5 лет назад
Thats the first time Ive ever seen up close or been for a drive in a Wankel engined car. Love that dash and the style of the clocks, love the sound of the engine too. And the body shape is a definite winner with me too. I agree with you, its a wonderful looking car. I want!! :-)
@MajorLeagueBassboost
@MajorLeagueBassboost 5 лет назад
The Company NSU is actually from a town no 20 miles away from where I live. Went to the museum a few times, very interesting story they have. They also were a big player in the bicycle and mototrbike market!
@vincentdubois3291
@vincentdubois3291 5 лет назад
The brand name is the initials of Neckarsulmer Streichmaschinen Union. NeckarsUlm is a city of West Germany on the Neckar river. The company started its buisness producing sewing and weaving machines and later produced motorcycles and mopeds.
@MajorLeagueBassboost
@MajorLeagueBassboost 5 лет назад
@@vincentdubois3291 yes indeed. But don't pronounce it "Neckars-Ulm", since it has nothing to do with "Ulm". It's instead "Neckar-Sulm" since the Sulm river is running into the Neckar river in this town.
@realnutteruk1
@realnutteruk1 5 лет назад
Wow, 16 minutes and 44 seconds before the V4 got mentioned!
@barriewilliams4526
@barriewilliams4526 5 лет назад
V4 best not mentioned at all lol.....
@alanjm1234
@alanjm1234 3 года назад
You'd think a v6 would fit. Guess you'd need stiffer front springs though...
@ChristianDiGiovanni
@ChristianDiGiovanni 5 лет назад
I love the sound made by Wankel engine! When you accelerate, it seems to start flying!
@heehean
@heehean 5 лет назад
Great video, Mr Seabrook..! I only ever read about this as a kid, and always wondered how the semi-auto gearbox worked. Now I know, thank you sir.. Next one on my list; why don’t you take a drive around in a semi-auto Citroen DS with the awesome finger-tip column change... *hint hint, nudge nudge*
@allanwinter4991
@allanwinter4991 5 лет назад
If I remember correctly, they were quite expensive at the time. We had an NSU 1200 TT in bright orange. 1970. Tuned 1200 cc engine in the smaller 1000 bodyshell. A real pocket rocket. Its high revving ohc engine streets ahead of what was around at the time.
@Mariazellerbahn
@Mariazellerbahn 5 лет назад
4:19 The rear end has a Princess Wedge look to it albeit with a 3 box boot.
@daveswarbrick5576
@daveswarbrick5576 5 лет назад
this brings back memories, i started my apprenticeship in a garage that specialised in the RO80 back in the 80's you were lucky to get 5000 miles out of the engine, owners use to hold the fingers up as you past another owner to indicate how many engines they'd had ! when they ran, they were lovely and smooth, we did lots of transplants with the AUDI/vw 1600 or the straight 5 cylinder!
@Rooinek2
@Rooinek2 5 лет назад
Is that the conversion with the Audi 100 engine and auto box?
@djphilmanns
@djphilmanns 5 лет назад
Dave Swarbrick Sorry but claiming they only lasted 5000 miles is rubbish.
@rimmersbryggeri
@rimmersbryggeri 5 лет назад
This is beautiful. Looks like a BMW 1500 mated with an OPEL Rekord.
@pridbor
@pridbor 5 лет назад
U need glasses
@giuliopedrali116
@giuliopedrali116 5 лет назад
Are you blind?
@PCReboot
@PCReboot 5 лет назад
Spot on with the Motor. They are perfect as long as you look after them and stick to a set of rules
@nigelh4617
@nigelh4617 5 лет назад
It's 1967... "What shall I order for August? Morris Oxford, or NSU Ro80? Hmm...."
@ClaudeSac
@ClaudeSac 5 лет назад
My parents ordered me in the beginning of '67. And I'm also a bit thirsty, reliable only when taken good care of, and last but not least; very stylish, stunning and unique.
@pit_stop77
@pit_stop77 5 лет назад
I think cost would have played a significant part in the decision. The nsu was very expensive
@ClaudeSac
@ClaudeSac 5 лет назад
@@pit_stop77 Almost forgot to mention that; I'm wildly expensive too!
@CaptHollister
@CaptHollister 5 лет назад
@@ClaudeSac Do you also pollute the atmosphere more than newer designs ?
@ClaudeSac
@ClaudeSac 5 лет назад
@@CaptHollister bwahahaha, I tried to keep that quiet but I guess I can't deny being unbelievably toxic, yup! :-)
@lew7676
@lew7676 5 лет назад
I was lucky enough to work and drive an NSU Ro80 about 16 years ago. An absolutely magnificent piece of engineering and is my all time favorite automobile. It was such a shame it met a sad demise, but was a crazy concept that you could actually buy in the 1960’s. It never ever looks out of date. Well done Hubnut for a super video. It brings back some great memories!
@jamesjacocks6221
@jamesjacocks6221 5 лет назад
I always loved the NSU and regretted their merge with VW (Very Wicked). I wonder how the VW engineers would cheat if forced to get the NSU to comply with emission standards? It was a long time ago when Wankel was touted as the brightest thing in the future for internal combustion engines. They're hopelessly inefficient, sadly. The beautiful NSU has risen to the highest aesthetic level, having been awarded the "it's a bit odd looking" moniker. Brilliant!
@peterstuart1617
@peterstuart1617 4 года назад
I worked on the RO80 back in the day we were constantly weary of the ht cables the ignition voltage is a lot higher than on normal engines plus the exhaust manifold temperature was extremely hot ( glowing red hot) after a very short period, great car fondly remember.
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