I like your outlook on the process. Too many people want to create drama where there is none. The PAC 12 is doing their due diligence. Then they can determine which teams/universities will be the best fit for their league, and when they do make offers to those universities they can give them real numbers relating to the media rights dollars.
Gonzaga should create a football program. And join as a full member. Give em 5 years and there is a definite probability they could have a contending team. Crazy sounding huh. But probably just crazy enough to actually work
One problem is any teams leave the mac they'll have to find a new conference for there other sports the mac required that all members are full members that's why UMass had to join the mac for all sports
The MWC plan is to get to 10 schools not 9. Preferably 10 full members. That way they can exercise the Big 12 rule and with only 10 members have a Conference Championship Game. Sam Houston State is still on the table. After that, I think they go the FCS route. Provided their media partners want to pay for it.
@@HuntleyHuddle Sam Houston would fit better culturally and regionally in the Sun Belt more than the Mountain West. UTSA and Texas State most definitely.
This is a more reasonable take than many professionals I have heard. The PAC has a plan, and it had a backup plan as well. Get the first four MW schools, and then add Gonzaga, USF, Tulane and Memphis. If that doesn't work, get UNLV and Utah state. The first plan started to fall apart, so they tried the backup plan and got it halfway. Things were rough until Gonzaga jumped on board. Now they're being deliberate to convince Memphis that a move to the PAC is financially advantageous, because the Memphis AD was pretty clear it was just a money thing. If Memphis is convinced, then any other AAC schools that get an invite are unlikely to stay behind. Then again, people said the same of UNLV. I think that Memphis and probably Tulane are still capable of being convinced despite saying no once. USF is just an absurd distance away, Memphis and New Orleans are bad enough geographically speaking. As for anybody else, Texas St declined the MW most likely because the only place they see as a step up from the Sun Belt at this point is the PAC. I don't know if they really make sense, but everyone wants to plant their flag in Texas. And I mean hey, they got State in the name. As for St Mary's, I'm not sure if it makes sense for them to leave the WCC. It's St Mary's *College* after all, with only roughly 4,700 students. Men's basketball would be fine, but the rest of the sports may struggle. With WSU and OSU in the WCC for two years, it's actually a really interesting chance for St Mary's to gauge how their sports may potentially do with a jump to the PAC. Grand Canyon is another name I've heard as a quickly rising brand, and even here in Washington is a well-known school. They're moving from the WAC to the WCC next year but there's some mutual interest between GCU and the PAC. Their for-profit stance would never fit in the old PAC, but this new iteration isn't quite as proud. As for the MW, I think it makes sense to look at NDSU, SDSU, perhaps Idaho or one of the Montana schools. Colorado took NDSU seriously for a reason to start this year, those schools could conceivably make the jump to FBS, at least in football. Boise St, SDSU, etc wouldn't work with FCS schools in the same way that Stanford, USC, Oregon etc. would never work with most of the new PAC schools, but perhaps Air Force and UNLV would be willing to listen to a proposal from high-tier FCS schools. Personally, I think that if NDSU moves to the MW then SDSU needs to come with to maintain that rivalry, same with Montana and Montana St. This whole thing sucks. I want the old PAC back, but it's never happening. We're no longer a power conference, but we can do the best we can. This is the best we can do. I'm sorry MW. I'm sorry. That's just my rant. Thank you for your content.
The issue are the FCS-> FBS payment fees. It used to be relatively easy to jump into the FBS, but the fee increased from $50,000 per school to $5 million per school. So the MWC would have to pay $15 million to get those schools into their conference.
Thank you and YES you summarized the situation PERFECTLY in the first paragraph! I agree on Memphis and Tulane. With Texas State as well being in Texas is lucrative to TV execs, as well as all the G5 programs seem to be trending up. I think it would be a win/win but the first priority is those AAC schools. If they get Saint Mary's and GCU the basketball in the P12 will be insane. I wouldn't be shocked by either but to your point gauging their competitiveness these next years will be key for SM. It does suck but survival is the name of the game at the moment. Thank you for the deep dive I enjoy other outlook or information on the subject at hand!
@@HuntleyHuddle It is kinda crazy how the PAC could make a pretty clear case by adding just Memphis and maybe SM that will be not the 6th best conference in basketball but the 5th.
I mentioned them for a short second at the very end. I've seen them floated around but I'm not educated enough on UC Davis at the moment to speak to much on them.
@@HuntleyHuddle They have been kind of like a pre 2019 LSU in the FCS. They are always like a tier below the big boys but are still great. And they have the funds and can easily expand their stadium
Just my opinion, I think the PAC 12 should invite Texas St ASAP. That gets you to the mandatory 8 schools to be FBS compliant. If it's feasible, they can revisit offering Memphis, Tulane, and UTSA an invite. However, I don't like this option because it leaves the conference vulnerable to poaching from the ACC and Big XII.
Something tells me the ACC has bigger problems currently, plus I just do not understand how in the world the market value of a rebuilt ACC would be greater than the rebuilt PAC. These moves are dictated by football and the schools that will remain left havent been relevant in football since pre WW2. Sure the travel expenses arent as much, but then if travel expenses are dictating your decision you are really in a sorry state financially (which I also do not understand how this is possible in these schools with the cost of college increasing by some 250000% above inflation the last 40 years).
@MattBuild4 I think the whole ACC thing gets blown out of proportion. The ACC will never go away. They could lose 10 schools and still be a viable conference. All of the AAC schools would join a depleted ACC in a heartbeat. Unless ESPN decides not to renew their media deal with the ACC in 2027 or by some miracle, Clemson and FSU gets out if the ACC's GOR nothing is going to happen in the immediate future with that conference. Some realignment junkies live for chaos and stir up all kinds of crazy scenarios to keep themselves entertained. I'm not one of those people.
i like the texas st add if they want to join. break into the AAC. then maybe a team or two above might leave too. get with the media people to see who they want.
@@MattBuild4 The ACC collapsing chatter is way overblown in the conference realignment world. Some folks just want to see a conference burn....lol. We've seen CUSA ravaged to three teams, the PAC 12 reduced to two teams, and both conferences survived. Even if the ACC lose 6 to 8 schools, they will still be able to get any AAC school or possibly even a school like West Virginia from the Big XII. So I don't see the PAC 12 being more desirable conference than a depleted ACC at all.
Any additions that don’t include the Dakotas shows that they’re not actually serious about football or success as a conference or fans actually watching their games
16:00 Would also presume that for SAC St, if offered a bid into the MW or PAC, would not receive a full share to the media rights distributions, atleast for a few years given the circumstances and what they would offer to the conference right away. That is something the school's athletic department would also have to accommodate with their donation initiatives and to provide assuarances to the conference members that the school can grow their status and profile within the conference, accordingly.
Problem with Tarleton is they want to play FBS with other Texas schools. I wonder if they would just use the MW as a springboard to another conference.
You actually don’t go to extremes when talking and it is refreshing. The PAC and MW are doing what they need to do to survive. There will always be a market for regional teams in terms of TV deals. Let the elite four eat themselves because sooner than later the money will cease to be there because the entity that was once college sports has now become AA and AAA leagues in college towns with absolutely NO emphasis on academics. These players have simply become I’m available to the highest bidder athletes. Good gravy, seven years in college and you say you’re there for an education? Give me a break.
First, with regard to Hawaii, this is a great deal. Second, with regard to the big picture on the PAC and the MWC, you are very wise. Third, I am not sold on Northern Illinois. I understand why the MWC is looking at this, but this would be a lot of travel for Northern Illinois, and where do there non-football sports play. Fourth, I don't understand the reluctance to take New Mexico State. They make a ton of sense for travel and rivalries, and they have an excellent basketball program, which could be increasingly important in the future. Fifth, I can't imagine why any FCS school would ever turn down a once in a lifetime invite into the FBS. The FBS is a money tree, which is why they raised the entry fee from $5,000 to $5,000,000. This wasn't an accident. Any school who received an invite prior to the price increase just cost themselves $4,995,000!
#4 NMSU doesn't add much added value to the MW because UTEP and UNM already are the two prominent schools of that area (plus UNM is the flagship school for the state). As the video noted, the conference is looking for other avenues to increase their future media revenue deal especially with the abscence of the departing schools. Adding another school within the same markets will not provide much in additional media revenue. #5 The entry fee isn't the only expense to be concenered with for any FCS school to make the jump to the FBS. It would require a large increase in capital investments/donations into a school's athletic department in order to make the transition sustainable. The FBS requires larger average attendance averages in addition to the increases in expenses required for staff, facilities, etc. to remain competitive within the FBS. For the likes of NDSU, SDSU, Montana, and Montana St, their markets are already close to maxed out in terms of fan interest, attendance, and regional revenue at it currently stands. The jump to the FBS may not actually provide them benefits that exceed the increase in expenses despite the prospect of larger revenue deals.
PAC Basketball PAC Football Gonzaga Washington St Washington St Oregon St Oregon St Boise St Boise St Utah St. Utah St Colorado St Colorado St Fresno St Fresno St San Diego St San Diego St -Memphis -Memphis -Wichita St *Pairings are the travel partners for non football sports. Add Memphis and Wichita St
MOUNTAIN WEST Hawaii San Jose St UNLV Nevada New Mexico. UTEP Wyoming Air Force -Louisiana -Sam Houston St Football 9 Conference games with a conference championship game Basketball 10 teams that play each team twice. 18 games Add: Sam Houston St & Louisiana Pairings are travel partners
Unfortunately for the MTN West their next Media deal will not be as good as their current one. Even with the moves they have been making. Their top programs have all left. Biggest of which is Boise State. The hopes of the mountain west now rest completely in the hands of UNLV and San Jose State. Scary to think in all honesty. Pac media deal will be lucrative. And for Boise State it will be enough for them to compete at an even higher level than they currently do. Also they added an additional media deal with some texas company that will pay out $128 m over the next 15 years. This is an additional revenue to be added on top of the PAC media deal that is currently being worked out. Whatever the PAC deal pays add an additional $9 million a year to that. Boise is definitely going to be a juggernaut here soon
MAC has been around a heck of a lot longer than the mwc. The entire conception of the MWC was built on the premise to destroy the WAC, which was the historical conference for 50+ years. The MWC has been around for only about 20 and the MAC has been around for about 70 years.
