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Reason Studios The Echo - STILL KING!

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Still a go-to in most of my sessions, The Echo has been a full-featured beast since its inception long ago. If you haven't dialed this thing into its full potential or ignored it for some shiny new delay plugin, you need to see this video!
Learn about The Echo's breakout section on the back of the unit:
• The Echo's Breakout Se...
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@KarimLeMec 11 месяцев назад

We are in 2023 and the warm of this device still surprise me.. I use in my every single track!

@itsdjQuasar 11 месяцев назад

One of the best! Thanks for watching!

@carnmarth334 11 месяцев назад

Brilliant. I love having just one machine to learn instead of dozens, so this is really helpful. Thank you.

@Mike_Benz_ 2 года назад

Your RU-vid game is on lock right now. Keep doing videos like this and the subs will come.

@itsdjQuasar 2 года назад

Appreciate that!

@ReasonStudios 2 года назад

Great video!

@juicerox 2 года назад

Great video! I agree this device in Reason is highly under rated and very powerful if you take the time to understand it! Well done man

@andrewwowk935 Год назад

I love turning feedback above 100% and using it to create build ups - I find they often sound better than typical "riser" effects and usually sit more nicely in the track because it's from a vocal you've already found a spot for in the track

@itsdjQuasar Год назад

Yeah. That’s a good tip. Thanks for watching!

@mgumwv 2 года назад

I love to bypass the delay effect and use The Echo solely as a tape mod. Set time to 1ms, feedback to 0, then dial up the modulation and LFO effects

@itsdjQuasar 2 года назад

Nice tip!

@CarlitoBTS 2 года назад

Right under my nose the whole time 😂 Thank you

@Molekulasti 2 года назад

Amazing breakdown of the Echo. Thank you for making these Reason videos.

@YanSerov-vn5ob Год назад

Cool video 🔥🔥🔥💯💪🥳

@itsdjQuasar Год назад

Thanks for watching!

@dougroyce5784 2 года назад

I've never really tinkered too much with this unit. I was blown away with trigger mode! Thanks for the content!😁👍

@UltimateMoralizer Год назад

Yeah, this delay is very flexible.

@itsdjQuasar Год назад

Amen! Thanks for watching!

@nutterwithbutter 2 года назад

Well edited !

@itsdjQuasar 2 года назад

Thanks!

@periseanbaltimore4064 2 года назад

Thos was so valuable, thanks

@brucehathcockmusic 2 года назад

what an awsome tutorial bro thank you so much.

@broklanders4730 Год назад

i'm late to the party - but the best guests always come late, right... so here i go: the echo would be my go to delay for almost every task where 2 independent delay times are suffice. sadly it has 2 misconceptions built in (of which sadly a lot of delay plugins are suffering from actually - and which makes the echo a dealbreaker for quite some tasks): 1. when using the ping pong mode, _the echo mistakenly does not sum up the signal that is fed into the wet signal path to mono_ . as the signal in ping pong mode is grabbed from exclusively from one side, you essentially completely loose one channel of the stereo input, because it uses "balancing" rather than "real panning". essentially that means, that if you use the echo in an insert (not as a send, where you can workaround that issue) and you alternate the panning on the input signal _before_ the delay device, you'll end up feeding no signal into the delay at all, if panned to one side completely. imagine a synth sound that changes panning via a sine lfo. if you set the ping pong mode in the echo to f.e. fully left, then every time the pan-modulated input sound is somewhere on the left, the delay gets full level, hence plays as desired - but as soon as the input sound is crossing the pan-center towards the right, the delay gets successively less input, the more the input sound is panned to the right, eventually ending up with no input at all, when the input sound of the synth arrived to fully hard right panning. which renders the echo unusable as an insert effect, as in this case you can't workaround the issue when using some sort of panning modulation or panning to the opposite side of the ping pong pan-setup on the delay. in essence: in a ping pong delay the signal that feeds the wet path mandatorily needs to be summed up to mono, before either side is tapped off for the cross-feedback. otherwise the above showstopper will occur. funny enough - the multi-tap delay in rv 7000, which can be set up to be a pingpong delay, actually does it right - but misses the additional features of the echo - and is always tempo synced (another hate-story of so many delay plugins). 2. the delay structure is set up in a way, that the feedback in pingpong mode is strictly after the first delay tap. which makes sense when _not_ in ping pong mode. _but in ping pong mode the feedback has to be tapped off _always_ from the second tap_ . because if you don't do that and feed a rather constant signal (say, a pad) through the delay, you'll end up with always a buildup in level towards the side that the ping pong pan is set to, as the feedback then is always stronger on that side, than on the other. and no, the feedback offset parameter can't really compensate for this (takes too long to explain this here). if these two misconceptions would be ironed out, the echo could easily become my goto delay for anything 2tap delay. but i assume that reason studios will never fix that - they from my experience never touch already released devices. which is a damned shame.

@itsdjQuasar Год назад

I don't have time to try this right now but what if you inserted the echo in mono? Only plug the left channel in. Not both. Try that and report back, please! 🙂

@broklanders4730 Год назад

@@itsdjQuasar - it won't work, If you go from the synth directly into The Echo (or use it as an Insert on the synths channel). And If you sum up both sides to mono in whatever way prior The Echo, the dry part of the output of The Echo is mono too - which of course is not what you want. In the Signal path of The Echo the input of the *_wet_* part has to be summed up to mono for it to work correctly. The only way to work around this problem is to use The Echo as a send effect, because in the return path you set The Echo's mix to wet only anyway. So you can sum up the signal to mono in the return path prior The Echo. But directly wired serially or when using it as an insert there's no chance, as you don't have access to the wet signal path of The Echo, to sum up the input of the *wet part only* to mono. You don't want to loose the stereo state of the dry signal. Try it yourself. Use Thor, then stick The Echo right after it and set its mix to full wet. Then use the ping pong mode in The Echo and pan it to one side. Then pan Thors amp output the opposite side. The result is silence, as The Echos mix is fully wet and it gets no signal, as The Echo grabs the signal from only the side where it gets no input (as Thors output is panned to the opposite side).

@itsdjQuasar Год назад

@@broklanders4730 yeah. You’re right. My next question is… what’s wrong with using it as a send? Also I haven’t come across a time when I would both pan something (LFO style) and also want to ping pong it. It would be either or for me. Don’t they sort of achieve the same thing? I know they don’t exactly but I hope my point comes across. It’s interesting, tho. Might be worth a video.

@broklanders4730 Год назад

@@itsdjQuasar - of course nothing is wrong to use it as a send. But first off - one would have has to know about that issue - otherwise he'd run into the all too common problem "Something just doesn't sound right - but i for the love of my life can't figure out, what goes wrong here". We've all been there, haven't we... then - there's different situations. F.e. if you are doing presets for a synth, where you see the delay (amongst other fx) as an integral part of the sound - which often ist the case. You'd then typically combine the devices and in that case you'd probably use a serial chain of effects. You could potentially build your send/return within the combinator, but again - you'd have to know the issue in the first. Also often a send simply isn't what you want, as these are parallel - and some fx in the Chain might be strict insert fx (phaser, Chorus, flanger, etc), that should be in a serial chain, as they need a certain mix relation between the dry and the wet signal to function - and that relation shouldn't alter (which in a send/return situation it would, as soon as you alter the send or the return level). And there's several other pros and cons as to when to use a simple serial or a send/return configuration in general. F.e. sometimes you need the fully wet signal mandatorily (some fx exen don't have a dry wet Mixer at all - a lot of compressors, etc). In such a case it's way easier and more logical to do the simple serial or insert setup, instead the more complicated send/return configuration, as you also have to go pre fader send for full wet and from then on have to remember to use the send knob or the return channel knob/fader to control the level of the signal, etc. Especially in reason, where due to the cabling and the rather unfortunate cumbersomeness due to not updating the necessary stuff (a typical problem with propellerheads/reason studios since v1), things can become unnecessarily complicated and cluttered very fast. Not at least - even If i potentially _could_ workaround a misconceptional implementation - i simply shouldn't have to in the first place. In case of The Echo it's clearly a misconception that has _no_ benefits to it but exclusively hindering potential - for no reason at all. So it ideally should receive a fix - especially, when it can be fixed in a second and without breaking backwards compatibility. Which in The Echo can be done easily, as basically there's nothing else to do than changing the ping pong pan knob from doing "balance" (balancing out the level between the left and the right signal, thus *_eventually loosing one side of the stereo channel signal_* ) to actually do a real "panning" (summing up one channel onto the other in either direction and feed the summed signal to the output on just one side - thus *_not loosing any portion of the signal at all_* ) - and it won't cost any additional CPU cycles, as summing or subtracting a signal costs the same CPU, nor is there a need for a gui change.

@broklanders4730 Год назад

@@itsdjQuasar - on the "i have never seen the need to lfo-pan the source signal when using a ping pong delay" - that strongly depends. There's music styles where that is a common task (such as ambient or trance and alike) - and not only there. I'm in the studio business professionally since 1989 when i released my first record and am a professional sounddesigner/mixing engineer since over 20 years. So you'd have to trust me when i say that this is commonly used and has a clear benefit very often. additionally consider the following typical mixing situation: You're at the end-stage of your mixing process - but you realize that it sounds better, when a certain signal is panned to one side. Then you do so - and If you pan to the "wrong" side, the delay gets less Input successively. That's again that "Something goes wrong and i don't know, what it is"-situation. And all of that just because of an unnecessarily faulty implementation due to the fact that the implementation isn't carefully thought-over. In professional realms things like this are simply considered as "not professionally approached". And they're being labelled as such for a good reason. Again - such misconceptions almost never have a benefit, but rather always incorporate a hindering potential exclusively. So why do it that way, when you can do it exclusively beneficial with no additional effort?

@DJGIOGUARDIAN 2 года назад

Great vid, please make more like these… you could replace Ryan from Reason… Reason Gang needs it.

@song23ministries 2 года назад

Wow! This helps so much. Thanks for putting this vid together!

@overseastom 2 года назад

Quality video, and I love the Echo, but my inner Punctuation Luftwaffe started gesticulating wildly when the "Reason's for it's reign" card came up. Not one but TWO errant apostrophes?! Gaaarghh, my eyes!! :P Otherwise, dope video man, with great examples and explanations. Rock on.

@itsdjQuasar 2 года назад

Ah crap.

@itsdjQuasar 2 года назад

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@Caelo_music 2 года назад

Nice breakdown. Delay is such a simple but ubiquitous effect. There are great delay plug ins out there but the stock delay unite in almost every DAW can do the job.

@maduroholdings 2 года назад

Reason was the first daw I felt comfortable using And that was in 2007 I still don't feel comfortable using live protools or Akai Although I'm better something about reason seems to make a lot of sense to me 😂

@lopp3 2 года назад

Hard agree. I have 1 extra delay RE (the JHS Titus) that I like to use as a simple clean delay, but other than that I've never been able to dream up a delay effect that Echo couldn't handle. IMO it's one of the best devices included with Reason.

@itsdjQuasar 2 года назад

Yes it is!

@dreamwishaudio7019 2 года назад

Your excellent videos for the Echo is the way to go. It's current, fresh and fun to watch. Reason videos have long forgotten to be fun, honest and show appreciation for their product. I really appreciate Ryan's work. However, I believe that the result is somehow talkative and resembles the marketing of toothpastes of previous decades. Υour voice is great and your voice overs sound perfect, true and not over the top. p.s Same story for me. The Echo IS the King.