forget about US, EU, Japan and Singapore are thinking. These countries are thinking best for them. India needs to think what is best for India! What US, EU and Japan want is for India and China to have a war, so they can benefit from it.
@@732anoop China has 14 neighbors China had war with Russia India Vietnam . but now China only has border issues with twoof them(actually only one).all the disputes settled through negotiations.look at india
@@watercutterlan1401 China has more issues with more countries than the neighbor it has , It has issues with countries such as Philippines and all the ASEAN especially for area in South China Sea where it is taking over other countries economic and maritime zones in sea. It is modern day expansionist power in the world who simply says everything is his .
@@732anoop I mean land borders. the south CHINA SEA is very complicate. Phinlippine China Veitnam Malaysia Indonesia they all have dispute with each other. and if you count Taiwan Taiwan is the greediest one
Because China is smart to let its citizen to explore and learn everythings in other country to equip them with more knowlegdes and improve themself in all feilds.
India and China are NEIGBOURS and NUCLEAR armed.Common sense will dictate that it is in the interest of both countries to have close ties and solve problems through dialogue and compromise. The border problem has been around for years so both parties must have the patience to solve it .A war with each other will weaken both countries and opportunistic powers will then move in to dominate and control them.India has been colonised, exploited and humiliated by Britain for hundreds of years and likewise China was badly mistreated by Japan and the West.So do not let that happen again .Both India and China are ancient civilisations and must show that they have the strength and wisdom to rise above this temporary friction and forge closer ties with each other which can only be good for them. There is really no better way and it is not difficult if there is sufficient goodwill.
China and Russia both compromised and settled border issues. What’s stopping India and China from reaching the same settlement? Chest pounding and inflammatory chanting will not lead to a compromise. It’s a disease in medical terms. A calm demeanor is required for meaningful discussions and progress, in other words, behave like an adult!
24:04 As a Chinese who sometimes reads Chinese news, I assure you that China in general is more than happy to put aside the dispute for another 20 years. Historically the dispute started not because of China and India anyway! Someone else made two different versions of the border lines. The cultural differences also made it really difficulty for the two sides to communicate effectively with each other.
India should be use by the USA..because you back at their history. They have been colonised many countries including China..Hong Kong and India too. Have you forgotten how they have treated everyone. They just want to be leader that can control every countries for their benenits only. India and China should work hand in hand for the benefits of both countries...including other countries. You now have choice to benefit your country rather than let the US. bully and manuplate you. They cannot see anyone better than them...so now the US. are trying to stir up and potray China is a bully . So better wake up to benefit your country and your people by supporting China. Have dialogue and some plans wth China. Do not let the US. use you. Once you have no benefits to them...they will just dump you.
One could not understand why India would side with the US when China is the only country that can assist India to come out of poverty ! WHERE in the world do you see America truly help a developing country ? America has a long history of destroying governments and economies that does not suit their political desires .
China can only export Wuhan Virus to India. India will attract factory to move from China to India, China under CCP will get poorer while India will continue to see her GDP growth for next 20, 30 years.
@@Robertsmith001 except Gordon Chang had been predicting China wrong for more than a decade and Kishore had been right about China for more than 2 decades.
@Sam Dz, Is Saudi king elected? Do you know that women are not allowed to drive a vehicle in Saudi? This has only been amended recently. Why hasn't US spread democracy to Saudi Arabia? Of course, NO. That would be dangerous. What if a populist Saudi guy gets elected and kicks out US military base and starts selling oil in Chinese RMB? That would be the end of the US Petro Dollars, the end of USD is the end of US global Hegemony. Saudi is US largest arms export market. Will US put a Dictatorship label on King Saudi? Of course, NO. That would cost Lockheed Martin and Boeing several hundred billions of arms contracts.
Congratulations on hosting a thoughtful constructive discussion on a difficult subject. If I may give a suggestion, I think India may benefit by calming down its media. If you look at the official Chinese media, they started off very calm and measured. It was only after the Indian media going full steam ahead accusing and attacking the Chinese side that they started to respond. And even then, it seems to me that they are still relatively calm compared to the Indian side. If both sides stayed calm and not fan the anger of their respective citizens, it would certainly make it easier to settle the dispute through negotiations if negotiation is indeed the preferred method as stated in your video. It should have been quite clear from the beginning that the dispute can't be settled through brute force. So getting the citizens pumped up for a confrontation is clearly not in the interest of India.
That's democracy which is also vulnerable cause its easier to push a subjective agenda .... but it's no regimented totalitarian regimes which control & censor public discourse
@@zenperri3969 what's the understanding u r referring ??? Is there possiblity for hearing the Chinese public opinion other than official views which is essentially pumped up for confrontation with the clear intent of looking for solutions from subjective intrest.... If reality of people opinions are aired there's no need for such prolonged never ending negotiations......
@@KrishnaKumar-yw8tl Nationalism is soaring in India, and your media kept putting more fire to it. There is no check and balance to growing nationalism among Indians because both your government and media want nationalism and use nationalism to serve their own interest, in the end, this would backfire India and hurt Indian interest. On the contrary, Chinese government reasonably calmed down Chinese nationalism before relation between China and India went out of control, the way China deal with India is an excellent example of managing geopolitical crisis. Public opinions do matter, but nationalism should not be the driving force of making key national decisions. Very sadly, India government and Indian media are either too blind to see that, or simply, they don't have Indian national interest in their hearts, their personal interest or elite's interest tops everything else.
1st time ever I liked Indian channel's debate programme.even Indian guest in the programme didn't show any aggressions in debate like other do.indian channels and journalist should promote this type of rational debate should invite rational and respected persons in the programme.
I hv to agree with you on that. Hvg watched other debates on Indian TV, the host n participants are mostly confrontational n aggressive, to the point of being outright rude n uncouth. They were there not to listen n exchange views n ideas, but to impose their pre-conceived, biased opinions on others. They're extremely self-opinionated and think they know everything, they know best. At the end, no one walks away from the 'debate' any wiser. This is in fact ubiquitous in Indian politics where politicians spend more time bashing each other up than sit down, debate n explore ways to help India grow n develop. It's the key reason why India has been left in the dust in its competition with China.
For those who criticised Prof Kishore Mahbubani, he used to be a President for UN security council and he is over qualified than anyone of us. He dealt with a lot of diplomats and no surprising he knows China so in deep. He has no advantage to be Pro China and not to forget his ancestor was from India. He wants India to be good.
All the people in any countries in the world does not like to have a WAR. Look at Middle East, no matter how rich your country is, in no time, you become homeless. I believe China and India have a golden opportunities in front of them, to work together, to build their own country. to lift up their people from poverty. Like Mr. Mahbubani said, border line dispute can put aside for now. This issue was there over half of century, they can wait another half of century. Especially after this pandemic, all countries are having economic issues. This is not the time to spend money on defence budget. It is time to spend money on health, education, create jobs. Don't listen to western countries. They want WAR so they can sell you more weapons. Be smart!
Actually China has adopted Buddhism originated from Indian into its civilisation. China is willing to accept anything good for herself even from a foreign country. Why can't India do it as well? Is it because of the ingrained caste system mentality?
Interesting. I have never heard d moderator n Nitin, this open minded when discussing China w/ an all Indian participants. Maybe d presence of Kishore force them to be less inflammatory when discussing China. D problem is over d years, Indian government have whipped up Indians nationalism against China to such a high pitch, that no Indian government will survive, if it as so much as entertain swapping any land to reach a permanent settlement w/ China. Perhaps Indian personalities like d moderator, Nitin n others, should tone down their super harsh rhetorics against China n help d government prepare d Indian public to grant d government more room to reach a mutually beneficial settlement.
Problem is that you're a wumao. Every time wumao show up, they start chanting 'Kishore, Kishore' like he's a rockstar. Let me tell you that Kishore is strongly disliked among Indians, because he's a sepoy who has enslaved himself to Chinese, and licks their feet all the time. Chinese can't even pronounce the guy's last name, so they always just go by his first name, like he's their favourite pet dog (which he is). "Oh, my sweet little Kishore"(pats him on the head)
Please upgrade quality of audio video. Dont record directly from the video call . Record independently with camera+ proper mic at all ends while video calling. Let the webcam be separate from the actual video that gets uploaded.
In America, the 1st generation chinese and Indian immigrants stay away from each other and generally don't like each other, but the 2nd generation gets along very well. My ethnic Chinese wife and I have many Indian american best friends. I urge the overseas Indian diaspora to see past the geopolitical conflict of the motherland and build bridges through our community abroad. A peaceful future is what we make of it. The overseas diaspora community may be the best chance at building that future.
If only overseas Chinese Americans could help reign in extreme Chinese nationalism (which I believe to be independent from the success and prosperity of China and the Chinese) as well... but I don't think mainland Chinese respect anything Chinese Americans might say. Correct me if I am wrong.
The Host is greatly on a higher level compared to the host of India Today. To the least, Amitabh do respect his guest-speakers, does not distort his guests' message like the other.
Why won't India join the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership as a first step towards more amiable relationships? Surely they can have conditions for joining this partnership and then use trade as a common language towards building a better relationship.
@Charles Lim India fought so hard for independence, I doubt they would allow themselves to be subservient to another country again. After all, they did help to start the Non-Aligned Movement. I truly hope they will think carefully about it and do the right thing for India and Asia.
Nitin, who was chest-thumping and flexing Indian power on his own programs and other programs with Indian hawks, is a totally different person here. Here, he's like an ignorant child with nothing substantial to add in this pretty civilized panel discussion.
Because then he was presenting, now he is interviewing. You conform yourself accordingly. Like how I'm sure you're probably a nice person in real life, but like to behave like a prick over the internet, just like here.
All three speakers have very wise and intelligent views that are rooted in historical perspectives, particularly Kishore. Very informative and educational
as singaporean, Prof kishore reflect my view as well. Neutral and as it is. the west and some indian media has distorted many negative views on China, causing deep division and hamper peaceful co-existence as big neigbour.
You need to re examine your views. Singapore certainly doesn't see the Chinese as benign or an ally much less India. The Indian media hasn't distorted anything, they're merely discussing the issue. China has repeatedly transgressed into Indian territory since long just as they've been doing so in the SCS or against Taiwan, Japan, RoK, etc.
Kishore: China fought brutal wars with Japan and Vietnam in the past, but now they are trading with each other big time. 2 other guests: China shows off its power to India, China may be strong but India is not going to back down, if we India can't handle China alone, let's join US. My point: India does not have diplomacy in its dictionary, India is so obsessed with power, India see itself an equal power to China, Russia, and even US. But in reality: US, RUSSIA and China are being 1st tier player, UK, FRANCE, GERMANY and JAPAN are being 2nd tier player. India and the rest of countries are 3rd tier players. All Indians need is a recipe: Meditation
India should use tit for tat strategy against China. If they are supporting Pakistan against India then India should also Support Dalai Lama of Tibet. In any case Taiwan should be supported as they are fellow democracy. India has achieved nothing by economic cooperation with China. We have 70 billion dollars of trade deficit. And what is the guarantee that China will not use trade against India tomorrow. All in all India should never trust China. We should make trade and economic pacts with other like minded countries. China should be dealt with in tit for tat manner. In extreme case we can also ally with USA.
Asian countries should work together as neighbors, make Asia strong & peaceful. Don’t be so stupid to fall into westerns trap. No one is better than anyone. The only country that started war in Asia was Japan in WW2
We agree that no matter what contradictions exist between China and India, people on both sides need to use wisdom to solve problems, rather than being easily provoked by others.
@@jayaramansundaramoorthy1248 the Chinese knows but is the west that wants to divide Asia and making Asians do low labour jobs for their western companies ... look at Middle East with oil forever war... Africa with diamonds & natural resources forever poor ... Latin America .... who is messing up with these countries? Obviously the G7 & 5 eyes
These guys from Singapore always telling India to be defensive and China should always go away with. I am feeling like these guys are from ccp. Funny thing is china is assertive in south china sea by creating new islands and occupying neighbours.
@Sam Dz are you dumb? Singaporean diplomats can't be bought. CIA tried to buy Lee Kuan Yew in the 60s and they failed. Singapore is where it is because of one thing. Stayed true to facts. No feelings no opinions. Facts. Truth. China is more developed than India, truth! GDP per capita is almost double. Every indian citizen that went to china always wondered why their country is not like China already.
Thank you Mr Kishore Mahbubani for your great work and contribution to humanity based on truths and facts. Today the world is very challenging with pandemic, problems, trade/Cold War, humans are suffering from hatred, negativity, lies, blame etc... The world needs more positive people like Kishore with courage, honesty, integrity to speak with truths and wisdom for world peace.
This power differential argument is not sound. Russia is nowhere near equal to United States but it has beaten US in each isolated narrow engagement for past 20 years (Take Syria and Ukraine for example). India doesn't have to be exactly equal to China, it just has to mach or exceed China in the areas where it has interests and I think India is capable of It. Not all of the Chinese power is deployed along India border, similarly not all Chinese capital is deployed in south Asia. If India can match China militarily in its region, it is enough. We don't need to have exact parity with China.
If USA is the leader of free world than surely China is the leader of Unfree world. China has raised Kashmir issue twice in UNSC meetings, I think its high time that India and USA raise the Taiwan issue and pass a resolution recognizing it as a seperate country and in next few years raise the Tibet issue.
Chinese culture vs Indian culture: Chinese: you are my neighbor, for respect, I allow you to take one inch of my land. Indian: Your one inch is mine, another one inch is also mine.
Fool politicians don't learn from their predecessors mistakes. Bjp & modi berates Nehru for his poor judgement & weak policies towards china. But when modi came in power he made the same mistakes.
I think clarity and well thought out visions and firmness of long range goals along with thinking of India's economic, political and sovereignty and utmost patience to achieve its ultimate goals are need of the hour for India
@swave158 When you seize the disputed regions of Gilgit, Baltiyul, Neelam, Mirpur and Gosthana, did you think that there wasn't going to be a fight swave158? Such is the lust of Xi and Khan, that they seek to sacrifice the locals for the sake of their popularity among the Han and Punjabi people. Soon war will be coming on the Pacific and Afghan sides.
which is ridiculous because a party is there for 5 years and to get elected or save their seat, its focus is always going to be 5 yrs.. double that up with generally low understanding of indian public of international, geo-politics and in general most objective strategic thinking.. VS a govt with no end date; they can afford to think long term and become richer and more powerful by heading a powerful nation.. hence vested interest in making china great
Did this guy said no single bullet will be fired? Just a few minutes ago the violent clash has claimed lives of Indian soldiers in the eastern part of ladakh
A balanced discussion. Though it portrayed more towards accommodating Chinese interests and giving them larger than life image.... the reality is for now that it is difficult for Indians to take on Chinese head on .... but that does not mean there are no other avenues left. Handling Chinese needs a patient and long term dealings irrespective of the government in power. However this is exactly where we lack... patience and wisdom. Out to win the tactical battle we end up loosing the strategic game. However I still believe we are learning our lessons
swave158 Indians never changed the cartography. We didn’t seize any region . We prevented its unlawful occupation. China wishes to keep it disputed claiming some odd historical facts which no one believes and what is part of its legal warfare. For that matter it’s the Chinese who seized the Tibetan plateau and committed the biggest cartographic aggression otherwise India would had a very peaceful eastern boundary with its Tibetan friends. Sad part was we accepted it as we naively cherished our historical and cultural linkages with China to be more important . No ways course of history can and will be corrected
No matter how much you talk, one thing nobody can change is China's long term ambitions to grab more land followed by demographic changes to Hans. They want entire northern sector of Ladakh to secure BRI and later go for Leh. Not just Arunachal, but entire Himalayas on the table too. Whenever dealing with China, take this into account. Also Chinese strategy to fund terrorism in India through Pak and keep J&K Ladakh region destabilize. Indian leadership needs to decide whether they want to take bold decisions or cower behind china's higher temporary gdp numbers.
@@TheYankeetango I had reservations earlier.....but now it is quite clear what they are doing in Tibet and Sinkiang region. Oppressing Uyigurs muslims in one region.....while Changing demographics of Tibet. Does the reports about Uyigurs camps are lies too?
Agreement between China and India in 1991 should be respected by both parties.Entire territories acceded to India by King Hari Singh is non negotiable.India should have great trade relationship with China.and both are great civilization should work together in science and technology, medicine,education .
Kishore Mahbubani is most respectable Singapore diplomat , brilliant and wise man. As Singaporean, we are v proud of him for his contribution to Singapore and the world for peace and prosperity. He speaks with facts based on his experiences with world diplomats, leaders, etc with positivity and unbiased views of the world. His speech is always insightful, enlightening and truthful. Respect and salute to Mr Kishore Mahbubani.
Why Indian hates China? border dispute, 1967 Sino-Indian war? China has better relationship with Japan, despite the bitter wars over centuries, millions dead and the still unresolved Nanjing massacre. No, it goes deeper in the psyche of the Indian. It's racism. India can't deal with a successful China. It should have been India who shall rise after WW2, with a democracy and freedom . China was devastated in the WW2, and has since risen to be 2nd largest economy in the world. India rather be used as a pawn of imperialism and US hegemony rather than developing together in Eurasia. It's heartbreaking to watch.
Regarding 2 tribes fighting while forest is burning - it's China which set the forest on fire in the first place. It was due to their coverup that COVID19 spread. China is a dictatorship, and not merely some alternate equivalent to the United States, which is at least a democracy.
manofsan maybe that explain why so many Indians suffered during the pandemic just like the Americans... Both are big democratic countries... U are damm smart...
India and China should learn how to be friends. Problem is , do they have the will. India should not look up for approval from the West and try to appease them.Stop acting like a white man with a dark skin. The West is declining. Like what Prof Kishore once said, India should not be on the losing side again.
the broad common interest of china and india far tanscent the boarder issues and politicians and people of both countries shall take a long term view that both countries should work together. in fact the number of conflicts between the two countries are so low during thousands of years and compared with other neighboring countries in history around the world particular in europe, we shall see that the bilateral relationship are really amazingly peaceful during thousands of years and people from both countries should recognize and cherish this friendly tradition and improve upon this!
Sam Dz the problem with you is your closed minded thinking. you only wanted to hear what to you think is right. so whats the point of watching talk show
Just like India right now. Only their perspective is allowed, twisted by western worship and influence. India is being used by the white West... Again!! Will be dumped after it has been used to cause as much chaos in the region as possible. Same trick
This was in JUNE. In Nov., the drift of the discussions seems unuseful. India is handling the conflict well so far and china is unable to so far overwhelm India. The size difference in the economy does not quite play out in the front line. The conscripted chinese army seems good on paper. There is a disconnect between what the experts are pontificating and how the border conflict is being managed. The singapore experts do not have military experience and this limitation is showing.
The China lovers and haters of US in India always bring up the 5 th fleet of US coming into Indian waters in 71. There is never a conversation where they don’t bring it up at some point.
@Sam Dz Singaporean and their diplomats predicted China and India rise since the 60s. So, he's likely to be right... China and India were the two largest economy until the 1800s. People just have to look at history. Indians calling the chinese uncivilized is like pot calling the kettle black.
He is not a columnist, he was a high ranking diplomat and President of the United Nations Security Council between January 2001 and May 2002. The other 3 are actually a joke compared to him.