Recognizing and Defeating Imposter Syndrome

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In this week's mental health minute, Doug leads a discussion with Mover, Gonky, and Wombat about Imposter Syndrome and ways to deal with it. Check out The Mover and Gonky Show Mondays at 8PM ET LIVE. • The Mover and Gonky Show
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@ZiegWarheit Год назад

I cannot thank you guys enough for actually talking about mental health in general and issues like this. As a software engineer I find that most of the things you are talking about on Mental Health Minute are extremely applicable to what I do in my daily life.

@kiseitai2 Год назад

Same. As someone who ended up doing software development in healthcare instead of medicine itself, I feel you. It didn’t help that my direct supervisor in my last project kept saying how “shitty” my code and architecture is, in part because he could not get what JSON is or the benefits of making functions. It didn’t matter the department had no good development process, gitflow process, issue tracking, qa, devops, or project management. It didn’t matter to him that they bought this amazing server just to run the program in single threaded mode? It definitely didn’t matter to him that my approach gave them an infinitely larger uptime and infinitely better error handling. He just wanted his old prototypical shitty script that had no regard for the fact the IT department had to be bothered every Tuesday morning to clean up the damage his old code would cause. I particularly hate when developers and engineers call someone else’s code shitty without first looking at why it got to the way it did. That supervisor is a physician and not a true engineer. I think I suffered from imposter syndrome these past two years as a result. I think I still do because I no longer work with peers that can provide objective feedback on how I can improve. But you know, for devs, if your code is doing a task better than what existed before, I think you are doing great. That’s my positive end note to us all.

@ryanw1433 Год назад

Yes, ditto on the thanks for helping to normalize mental health care. Nip problems in the bud before they wind up causing a disaster.

@pradgeorge4270 Год назад

Thank you for opening up about imposter syndrome. As a trauma surgeon, I find it incredibly affirming to hear individuals in other high-stakes professions like yours address this issue. My wife, also a medical professional, and I often discuss how we, too, wrestle with these feelings despite our accomplishments. Your candid conversation serves as a reminder that imposter syndrome doesn’t discriminate by career or success level. It’s reassuring to know we’re not alone in this struggle, and I appreciate your courage in bringing this often private battle into the public sphere.

@Anewevisual 10 месяцев назад

😮

@theussmirage Год назад

Thank you so much for covering this, I'm with Gonky in that I didn't even know this had a name, and more importantly didn't know there were strategies to deal with it. There's such a huge societal push towards humility, which is a great thing, but not enough attention towards taking credit for your achievements, and recognizing you're where you are for a good reason. Also that guy announcing his unsubscription 😂

@november5945 Год назад

Your timing is impeccable!

@geddyboom Год назад

I am retired AF, former KC-135 Boom Operator. Received a commission as an Aerospace Physiologist. I am currently teaching AFJROTC . These mental health episodes are on point. I use these videos in class on occasion. I’m so glad I found this channel.

@flippinnickelproductions298 Год назад

Thank you, sir

@Anewevisual 10 месяцев назад

Okay

@jor4288 Год назад

High achievers often take responsibilities for failures but rarely allow themselves to own the successes.

@quicktastic Год назад

I think part of it is the fear of the elevated expectations (pressure) that success can bring. If you are learning to do something and few believe you can do it, the expectations of you are low and there is little pressure. When you succeed, the expectations of you can grow and much more is now 'expected' of you. Saying 'I just got lucky' is an attempt (JMHO) to ward off raised expectations and the pressure that comes with it. Some like and welcome the raised expectations and pressure while others feel overwhelmed by it.

@brentdennard6722 Год назад

Oh my god. So that’s what I have? I thought “thinking about thinking” was the apogee of meditation but you just gave me a different perspective. I may not be meditating at all, just tearing myself apart.

@jeremysarge1772 Год назад

Subscribed, Howdy. 😊

@pinocleen Год назад

Sup-scriber!

@sibaz Год назад

Dude, that was awesome. And dont stress the bullshit. I watch your channel because i respect what you guys have done, and hence your insight, and i like the way you tell it. Aint no imposter there. Cheers

@lilletrille8998 Год назад

I remember Gonky saying "I am an average fighter pilot" and I remember thinking - I dont belive that, I am sure Gonky is a great fighter pilot! He is just being humble...

@marcjohnson4884 Год назад

Wombat, Isnt bringing a Hawkeye aboard a carrier about as difficult as anything?

@ro9967 9 месяцев назад

Same as Gonky said, I hadn't heard about the Imposter Syndrome before but do recognize parts of this in myself too. I always classified is as 'modesty' but it could be indeed Imposter Syndrome. Next to this, I'm very happy I found your channel some time ago, I can learn and reflect a lot on it. And next to that, appreciate the mix of sharp humour, knowledge and wisdom. Greetings from someone who as a teen wanted to be pilot but never really went for it due to self doubt and more like that. Happy 2024 to you all!

@stephencameron4032 11 месяцев назад

Hi Guys, I'm just an ordinary guy, (I've been a road worker for 45years), but I'm also a student gyrocopter pilot, hoping to become an instructor some day, the first time I flew the aircraft for the entire flight (this included my first landing on a grass strip),I remember, after landing back at our home field, as I got out of the aircraft, my first thought was,"I can't believe I did all that", perhaps that's a sign of imposter syndrome, for someone like me, this is a really big deal, and while I'm only on the ground floor of the aviation world, I do get what you guys are saying, it is reassuring to hear that it isn't just me, take care, all the best from Scotland, Stephen.

@Justindean85 Год назад

Well done for opening up about these issues in life. That in itself is as impressive as being a fighter pilot and book publisher ect 👏

@Jamez3l Год назад

Focus on the the subs who appreciate you and your guests. If the trolls don’t like it it is 100% NOT ON YOU!!!! The will never be happy and you deserve to be happy

@rurushu8094 Год назад

Thanks for talking about this guys, I was like Gonky, dealing with this my whole life but I never knew what it was called until now. You can put one more tally on the list of people your channel helped.

@JC622Kilo57J Год назад

Thank you guys for talking about this. In my adolescence, I unintentionally let my lack of self esteem become a trait of my personality, and it's taken me many years of therapy to claw my way back to a state of relative health. It's hard work but so worth it and it's encouraging to see folks I look up to talk about it with honesty.

@GregTalmageBand Год назад

Imposter syndrome has followed me throughout my life from athletics in grade school to a 10 year music career and now (though I'm much more aware of it) as a licensed mechanical engineer. Huge props to you guys for talking about these things. So many times, it feels like the natural self-doubt response to thinking "I clearly have imposter syndrome" is to self-counter with "or maybe I just really AM an imposter." Such a hard hole to climb out of, but hearing others talk about it, especially those who do/have done things so many of us aspire to (Top Gun had me 100% wanting to be a naval aviator until I was told my eyes suck) makes a bigger impact than you probably know. Thank you all for your service and thank you for creating such great content.

@pinocleen Год назад

Imposter syndrome at first implies like something very hostile, thanks for sharing.

@danlhart Год назад

Phenomenal, thank you.

@flippinnickelproductions298 Год назад

Thanks mover Makes total sense I’m happy you brought this to your channel Makes us type A folks check ourselves Much appreciated, sir

@InsightThoughtSystems Год назад

I'm sharing the link to this video all over the place. You guys are so fantastic for doing this. The open talk about this subject matter - coming from icons of masculinity in our society - just awesome. Standing ovation.

@UniformWhiskyEcho Год назад

I came for the Top Gun content, hung around for some of the various videos, definitely staying for the mental health minutes. They are valuable contributions for all wakes of life. This one especially rings true for me. Keep up the great work.

@TakeFlightGarage Год назад

I love this channel man. You guys are the best.

@GrantvsMaximvs Год назад

I've been a subscriber since you and Gonky tried to ruin Top Gun, and you guys have earned every single bit of honor and reverence you're given. Love you guys

@dutchflats Год назад

Does this all manifest as anxiety and/or depression?

@Doug_Narby Год назад

Yes. Especially anxiety

@dawnmanning3119 13 дней назад

My spouse suffers from this phenomenon . It's hard to see from the sidelines.

@skyhorseprice6591 Год назад

For what it's worth, I think dude who went, _"Unsubscribed.Later,"_ was compensating for something in himself that he doesn't like, else why make a big statement like _"I'M_ unsubscribing! _I'm_ obviously important and I want you to know it as I demonstrate how your channel will fold within 3 days after _my_ announcement!" It's like some sort of neurotic hubris, combined with, _"Oh no, my hero fighter pilot dudes are talking about MENTAL HEALTH? They are admitting that they have doubts? Screw that, I only subscribe to a channel if the person(s) running it are infallible gods!"_ And so begins another round of humans shooting themselves in the foot by thinking in grandiose terms that are....guess what?... untenable & impossible. I HAVE HIGH STANDARDS is gonna be on these people's gravestone, probably. I wonder how many 'failures' are actually successes that murdered their own accomplishments in the cold blood of Impostor syndrome? As someone who deals with this, I think I hate it as much as Wombat does. But Wombat, Mover, Gonky, and Doug aren't just sitting around manufacturing despair; you guys are taking this on right to the merge, and I for one am here to tell you, this 'mental health corner' you have here is useful beyond measure. So thank you guys, straightup, for having the sack to address this issue.

@bryanbishop2377 Год назад

I'm pretty sure people who attack are probably suffering the same thing...

@mistergunpilot Год назад

Like Gonky, I too never heard of "Imposter syndrome". But the med person I was talking to (right after I came back from A-land) had told me that I had the symptoms you laid out. He didn't call it anything. He just told me, after I told him all that I had done before combat and during combat, that I earned all the rating's, accolades, recognition etc. for all I had done to get where I was in the military and life. Soo many times I have met people, and after talking to them, were surprised that I never let on to what all I had done. Thanks, Mover, wombat and Gonky for putting this out there. I have since done a better job at "combatting" this syndrome.

@airplanegeek893 Месяц назад

I am an airline pilot and I have had a battle with imposter syndrome. It's crazy to think how debilitating that thing is. I am career changer, but I am determined not to let it take over my confidence and I am fighting back.

@VigilanteAgumon Год назад

Simon and Garfunkel did a song about Impostor Syndrome, called "Fakin' It."

@Zero13official Год назад

Wonderful video. Perhaps CW Lemoine, you begun this very channel (and did other things on the side) as a way to prove to yourself publicly that you are a lot more worth than you give (or gave) yourself credit for.

@Dream0Asylum Год назад

[Defeating Imposter Syndrome] I see we're talking about the J-20, today.

@alexandertokarev580 11 месяцев назад

Mace talks about the imposter syndrome indepth, and her experiences when she started flying vipers. That's the first time I heard about it, and realized I had it. Also, realized that I got past it when my son was born, and the priorities shifted.

@Gilbertmk2 Год назад

Damn this is me to a T. I had no idea I had this. As a Marine infantryman, MMA fighter etc. This has plagued me, it affects my performance on the mats too. It's crazy because in some things I'm a very confident person but damn imposture syndrome is over my shoulder all the time.

@WasabiSniffer Год назад

medical students for sure. yeah everybody's smart, but it takes time to realize that even with hours upon hours of work and study, not everybody knows everything.

@jedibusiness789 Год назад

Nothing impostering about burning 13k pounds of fuel and all things and people needed to make that happen. Recalled standing on Vulture row watching traps, slinging off the pointy end and thinking how formable naval aviation is and the tiny part I played in it. Alas all things do come to end and our lives revert to normal again and new challenges await.

@mbmann3892 Год назад

Holy shit. That “ imposter syndrome” sure does would like me. I also think definitions. For this

@Rick_Dunaway Год назад

the basis of imposter syndrome is the same as all the other syndrome's. And that would be what we generally label as "Fear"

@alaskanbas6507 11 месяцев назад

I now see a reason to start accepting compliments, something I've honestly always had trouble with

@donaldstaubitz230 Год назад

Bar none best episode for me. As far as my personal life. Thankyou for the words.

@rondickens2257 Год назад

So…there's a name for it. Take care of yourselves guys, and keep up the good work.

@pollylewis9611 Год назад

Thank you C.W. this turned a big light on for me, it's hard to deal with and has been a big part of my life, just thank you for this info, Polly!

@1919champ Год назад

Wombat you’re still The Man!

@SolidMitchRapp Год назад

EMDR! I do EMDR for clients. It is HUGELY successful at removing imposter syndrome. The culprit is negative "I am/not _____" statements. EMDR removes them :)

@laurab.9318 Год назад

I've read about playing Tetris as a form of EMDR (or something to do in conjunction with it). Really interesting stuff. I didn't know it could help with imposter syndrome. That's really cool!

@Montana_Outdoor_Adventures Год назад

Best episode yet. Thanks guys.

@neekniggit3606 Год назад

That is the worst argument anyone could make! Yes the problem is temporary and it'll be over soon. See how that works? Worst thing you can say to someone stuck in that dark place.

@CWLemoine Год назад

What?

@John-in-Boothbay Год назад

Fascinating topic - thanks for raising it!

@dinoiacuzzo7069 Год назад

I had the same look on my face as you , Gonkey and Wombat. “ is that me?” running through my mind

@dinoiacuzzo7069 Год назад

“Gonky” sorry for the typo

@shanepregler9865 Год назад

Thank you for being you

@MalfosRanger Год назад

From the bottom of my heart, I'm grateful for the candidness from you three on this topic. Hearing people with more experience and expertise than I express the same sentiments that I have felt as a commercial pilot who has been in and out of building hours for the past few years is an enormous weight off my shoulders. It's awful insulating oneself from pain of failure and setbacks by always managing expectations at the cost of disassociating from what one has accomplished up til now. The Japanese say that 'the nail that sticks out gets hammered.' Imposter syndrome feels like going through life stooped over. You may not get put in your place but you won't appreciate everything you might be missing out on keeping your head down. The missed opportunities to make a difference in your day-to-day or to put yourself out there. Thank you for engaging and being open with your community.

@Raptor-jv7fi Год назад

Thank you guys for talking about this. Really needed this, I just went through a horrible experience and to see rockstar fighter pilots like you also go through it, is reassuring to me, to know that I’m not the only one and that gives me hope. Thanks again.

@knuckleheadunstoppable Год назад

Fantastic video. The guy who announced his departure missed a good one.

@drtookey Год назад

don't tuck it

@stephenmarchant9314 Год назад

Yip This channel helps me... you guys help me thanks guys

@nicholasrohmann3132 Год назад

great vid

@angeljamais8541 Год назад

Thank you

@nakdad 11 месяцев назад

important

@PassportBrosBusinessClass Год назад

19:06 He’s 100% right. And I’m willing to bet imposter syndrome related tragedies have skyrocketed since 2007 (around the time the smartphone came to market)

@theraptorsnest5891 Год назад

I can relate to this. In my goal to be a professional pilot, I was asked to take a position as a CFI and ultimately a CFII. I really struggled with this. I knew what I knew, but I wasn't quite sure I could get it out of my head and into someone else's. The biggest fix for me was just what Doug said. I relied on the process and the thoughts of others that knew I would be a good fit. Once I got over my anxieties, I found instructing to be some of the most rewarding flying I have ever done.

@Anewevisual 10 месяцев назад

Okay lol

@PassportBrosBusinessClass Год назад

Why would anyone report themselves to authorities??? Whether they felt depressed, suicidal, homicidal or anything else. This country’s open treatment of these people is without compassion, with suspicion and mostly punitive.

@CWLemoine Год назад

Because it's better than the alternative. I don't know about where you live, but here, it's non-punitive and people have compassion.

@PassportBrosBusinessClass Год назад

@@CWLemoine Here: you mean on this channel? But OUT THERE in society it’s exactly the opposite. RED FLAG 🚩 LAWS for example: why the hell would ANYONE report themselves??? Why would anyone torpedo their own opportunities? Thanks for the reply!

@CWLemoine Год назад

No, I mean in the area that I work as a deputy sheriff. Would you prefer people to commit suicide because they don't get help?

@PassportBrosBusinessClass Год назад

What I prefer is irrelevant. I accept the fact that I live around people who I can’t possibly imagine what they are thinking, feeling or planning. They are going to do what they do. But what I absolutely don’t expect is them to sabotage themselves by reporting themselves. That’s like RAISING YOUR HAND 🖐️ and saying: HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME: I’M YOUR NEXT CRIMINAL!!!

@theussmirage Год назад

The authorities are there to help you. If you don't feel comfortable talking to law enforcement there's other numbers you can call.

@PassportBrosBusinessClass Год назад

Whatever happened to good old fashioned ego? Arrogance? Now you hear a lot of people tell you to “stay humble”. No wonder!

@crazypetec-130fe7 Год назад

Like most things in life, we all have to find the right balance.

@bodan1196 Год назад

I do appreciate this video, important topic talked about by competent people. However... -"God has a plan for me, for everyone." How do you not see that this expression is a clear, and undeniable symptom of the same imposter syndrom that you _are_ talking about? Why believe that there is a tri-omni Creator, if not to deject your own importance to the reality in which we live. And... in order to reject responsibility, perhaps? -"But, everything has an exception, and God is that exception." Exceptions are to be expected to everything, because _we_ are not all-knowing. Whether there are exceptions to _everything_ ; we can't say for certain, because we do not know all there is to know about everything. (Yet?;-) However... when the scope of consideration is reduced, we can reasonably claim to know "everything about it", and can reasonably say that there are no exceptions. Or be able to identify what those exceptions are. How many of those, before no longer being "exceptions", is for another day. Looking at reality, we _can_ with reasonable certainty say, that no Creator(s) described by ancient men, exist. As described... -"But God is all knowing." Again, imposter syndrom. "I'm just a part of His plan". And if there is an all-knowing Creator, then you are of the hook. "It's not my fault..."