Recording Drums: What Difference Does The Room Make?

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Everyone agrees that when you’re tracking drums, the room makes a difference - but with so many other variables in play, identifying its specific contribution can be tricky. Enter producer Tommaso Colliva, drummer Alex Reeves, and a unique experiment... Full article: sosm.ag/sep16drums
00:00 - Start
00:54 - Rooms Used
02:39 - Microphone Considerations
03:18 - Preamps
04:10 - Drum Sound Room Comparison
05:38 - Conclusion
This experiment was recorded and produced by Tommaso Colliva
Drums by Alex Reeves
Songs
A father's first words written and performed by Hazel Mills and TJ Allen
Burning Up written and performed by Lotte Mullan, courtesy of Reverb Music
You Know how to rock written by M. Martellotta, performed by the Cypher Ensemble, courtesy of Toomi Labs
Video Credits
Directed and edited by Erica Gianesini
Filmed by Daniel Hurley
Grading by Marco Lamera
Photos of RAK Studios by Andrew Brooks
Produced by Sound on Sound and Toomi Labs
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@danielh9252 8 лет назад

I call my room 'The Non-Life Having, Random Rattling Shit and Out of Control Bass Frequency Room'.

@richardvancleaf469 8 лет назад

Sounds cool.

@themallows1908 8 лет назад

got me one of those suckers too :)

@rmp5s 7 лет назад

I'm dyin, man...lolol

@StudioGoldsmith 7 лет назад

Got me there

@nickguy6820 7 лет назад

Mine is called "the slap-back echo chamber."

@musicsound2683 3 года назад

4:24 - Air Studio 1 4:29 - Rak Studio 2 4:33 - Snap Studio 4:37 - Rak Studio 1 4:41 - Toomi Labs 4:44 - Jam Track Central 4:49 - Air Studio 1 with panels 4:52 - Air Studio one

@deadscenedotcom 8 лет назад

Shocking how clear this makes things.

@ElginChris 8 лет назад

Please don't tell me I just watched 5 minutes of describing the experiment and only one minute experiencing it

@alexreevesdrums 8 лет назад

Full experiment and sound examples here: www.soundonsound.com/techniques/recording-drums-what-difference-does-room-make

@michelevisser6811 4 года назад

loooool

@renedominguez4968 4 года назад

words can not describe sound. reason why drum mags are a waste of time

@WDeeGee1 3 года назад

IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!

@BD-me4nk 3 года назад

You just described Life in it's entirety for most people

@SLOTHS777 8 лет назад

Rad Video. Would have loved to have seen/heard more of the actual drum recordings

@Nullllus 8 лет назад

Look in the article, the link is in the desription. There's a ~700 mb archive file there.

@alexreevesdrums 8 лет назад

Hey Caleb - link to the recordings is here: www.soundonsound.com/techniques/recording-drums-what-difference-does-room-make#para15. Check out the MEDIA section on the right hand side of that page for all the recordings. Thanks for watching!

@MZ-tm1tw 7 лет назад

alexreevesdrums thanks for sharing the link to Sos. When you listen to the video air studio one sounds the best. But with all mics in the mix Rak studio-2 sounds forward big and punchy and even some of the small rooms sounds really good.

@juliusbernotas 7 лет назад

Here: soundcloud.com/soundonsound/sets/drum-rooms-audio-examples-snippets

@jian2069 7 лет назад

during the mixes i found it pretty incredible how just changing the drum sound can have such a dramatic effect on the entire mix

@Espresso101 4 года назад

Can you guys please revisit this and make a series out of it. Would love to have heard with all drum mics thrown in as well to see how the drums change with the OH/Room mics.

@SB-ed4gz 8 лет назад

Personally I like the sound in Air Studio One with panels the most.

@RafikMankariosDrumStudio 7 лет назад

There's a lot of work and time spent to make this video...bravo! Wonderful & informative, thank you!

@almostdeadmorimondo 7 лет назад

thanks

@gonzomuse 8 лет назад

Amazing video. It's something that's been needing to be done for ages but it's a massive undertaking. So thanks for the time and effort you guys put in to making this video. Really well demonstrated.

@rmp5s 7 лет назад

Oh...and Air, Studio One (no panels)...yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees...

@robburgess4556 7 лет назад

My response as well - that's where I want to record!

@kisscatastrophe 7 лет назад

Rob Burgess don't we all. and it's only like $6,000 per day😂

@marcospintor1333 4 года назад

That one is great

@luvz2drum99 3 года назад

I'd say so as well if someone tuned that floor tom so that it would wouldn't buzz so much. Bottom head needed adjusting, most likely. For that reason I preferred the sound from same room with panels. The panels helped soak up that floor tom ring. At least you can tell that the tuning was in no way altered for the experiment.

@wyshwood 8 лет назад

Great comparison. Amazing how different the same kit can sound.

@TheDazlermac 8 лет назад

Absolutely brilliant demonstration.

@vigilant545 8 лет назад

Great practical demonstration, super obvious, totally got it. Thanks for this one.

@jpm_drums 3 года назад

Air Studio One and Studio One with panels were lovely.

@metalsandager 2 года назад

Very exciting to hear the difference so clear! Thanks for this video!

@RealRichBlood 7 лет назад

Great video! Sweet experiment and even a nice JAM! Want to hear the whole song.

@GovG33k 8 лет назад

Really cool getting the message across this way, nice job. something that I'm sure was considered but not explained is the temperature, humidity, and pressure of these locations which can also have a noticeable difference, especially in tuning and dampening. Acoustic drums are still preferable than any digital set in my opinion.

@Wheelly1 7 лет назад

Thank you guys. It`s evidently A LOT of work done here. And the idea becomes quite clear toward the end.

@lewisticknor 4 года назад

Incredible effort! Thank you for doing this. This makes up for the plug in microphone video (the only other SOS video I have watched), I finally got that shit out of my head....mostly.

@ilCapotasto 7 лет назад

Great thing. The concept and its realization made mi giz. Thumbs up for Tommaso !!

@MikeLuke 8 лет назад

Excellent! Great video. Well done.

@alexreevesdrums 8 лет назад

Great....thanks!

@saidseco5574 6 лет назад

I love the small room vibes! You can hear the tuning of the toms and the snare so much better because there is almost no reflections going on!

@hakarumonoka 8 лет назад

If song at 0:55 and the drum solo at 4:48 isn't already a song it definitely should be. Very awesome!

@severinbaumann7086 5 лет назад

Yes please!!!!

@severinbaumann7086 5 лет назад

There is so much potential to a really cool song

@tuahanayyer3122 2 года назад

@hakarumonoka - Burning up by lotte Mollen

@TheGusburg 5 лет назад

Excellent undertaking! Great to now have an informed perspective. Personally love the natural sound at Air Studio One. Thank you!

@kojaniszewski 8 лет назад

Incredibly helpful video :D Thank you guys

@67Rec 8 лет назад

This was a very well executed and brilliantly conceived idea. I hope there will be more like it, exploring other aspects also. Recording schools would do well to incorporate this kind of video, lest they become obsolete.

@cameronc1155 3 года назад

I just found this from my Recording School; I think I'd call it a success

@evenkeel6131 7 лет назад

Wow, awesome video. I wish it was longer.

@rmp5s 7 лет назад

Right up there with the guitar cab mic placement video I saw on another channel a while back. Points for accent, too. Epic video.

@almostdeadmorimondo 7 лет назад

ahahah my accent is pretty terrible if you ask me but thank you

@donkeyfacekilla1 8 лет назад

All I can say is WOW! What an excellent video :-O

@lawrencegreenwood4002 Год назад

As soon as the music comes in, AIR flexes and shines.

@dcashley303 8 лет назад

Great video, particularly liked the sound of the Rak rooms.

@TheWorldTeacher 8 лет назад

Me also (as well as Air studio without the gobos).

@dcdeal001 7 лет назад

THIS IS absoludly amazing. thank you so much sound on sound

@alexoldroyd770 7 лет назад

Great video!! Nice work

@jorgepeterbarton 7 лет назад

the problem with keeping it all consistent is I'm sure nearly all engineers would mic a drum kit differently dependant on the room. A great room would be the case for some cool single or double overhead only recording...a small room probably bring the overheads in and relying on close mics and others that are very large probably going to town on ambient mics... If the ambient mics can't be that far away often its good to delay them out of the phase cancellation area and place the kit in the null for example too, so different rooms definitely prescribe different techniques. very often even what fits in one room doesn't in the other in terms of actual mic stands!

@NormSpupsEntertainment 7 лет назад

Air studio one is just grand. Helps the mix balance out too just having a great room

@Pravyd 7 лет назад

Loved this video!

@pjstamm2112 8 лет назад

Amazing! Who would've thought that the room made that much difference?

@luvz2drum99 3 года назад

I thought.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894 2 года назад

IME, it's the single most important factor in drum sound. Any combination of other things will sound bad in a bad room.

@sorenrichenberg3313 2 года назад

Glad I know what a floor tom sounds like in all these rooms. Next time make this a 16 second short or demonstrate the sound of the kit in the rooms....

@bbfoto7248 6 лет назад

+Sound On Sound magazine Love it! Thanks so much for this test. 👍👍

@jordanpene5279 11 месяцев назад

Air studio one, with and without the panels was so nice. My fav by far.

@lukesuperflyjones 7 лет назад

So well DONE

@scrummyvision 2 года назад

very helpful video, thank you

@felixdorn21 6 лет назад

Wow! very cool and interesting. thx for your work and the provided information.

@delmusicproduction7186 7 лет назад

I love learning, this was great

@gruponemesis 8 лет назад

amazing video guysss. so glad im a paid subscriber to s.o.s!!!!! eye opening!!!!!

@cosmicmatrix6238 7 лет назад

so good. straight and to the point! cooooool

@Okayymatt 3 года назад

Truly eye-opening.

@OdinOfficialEmcee 3 года назад

For me, Rak Studio One sounded the best by far. Air Studio One also had a great sound to it. Rak Studio Two was the best of the medium/ small rooms imo

@thejigantics2641 3 года назад

It also depends where in any room you place the kit.

@MadMatty01 7 лет назад

What happened to the cymbal stroke at 5:07?

@Nullllus 5 лет назад

Different take happened.

@mitchzimmer9432 7 лет назад

This was an excellent video

@jaredpriestleymusic5368 5 лет назад

awesome video thanks heaps.

@restanibalu 7 лет назад

Awesome music!

@abcdefghijklmnop2492 6 лет назад

yo this video was fucking sick as fuck! Just wish it was longer! great job. I want to hear more rooms.

@MelodicDeathMetal2019HITWOOD 7 лет назад

where I can find the song that starts at 4.55?

@Kragatar 5 лет назад

Rak Studio One is my favorite. Gives the drums a nice open and atmospheric sound.

@Cr3pit0 8 лет назад

Awesome Video. Came here from Gizmodo :D

@DanRodriguez1 8 лет назад

This was a really good experiment 👍 I'm not going to say the name but one of the biggest good-looking studio in the video sounds like a bedroom 😆

@WarrenHenry 8 лет назад

You guys nailed it on this one. Proving one simple fact #roomacousticsmatter

@RetroPlus 3 года назад

That difference is huge!

@davesims7917 7 лет назад

I ran into an issue with a heavy buzz sound on my drum kit...the strange thing is that you don't hear it live. I did all the troubleshooting to be sure it wasn't the mic, chord, the preamps, and I even unplugged all the other mics on the kit to be sure it wasn't some phasing/frequency issue. It is only happening on the toms and like I said you dont hear anything when it is live but you hear this almost electrical type buzzing sound when its being recorded. Do you have any idea what it could be? Any suggestion would be 100% appreciated. Thank you.

@marcospintor1333 4 года назад

Awesome video

@CesarLeon 7 лет назад

LOVED the dummy head technique, now i want one

@Medusasgaze1 8 лет назад

great video \m/

@tomashradil3994 7 лет назад

4:56 - does anybody know the title of the song, where to buy it?

5 лет назад

oooor build a anechoic chamber and then you can add reverb properly ^^ i work sometimes in a anechoic chamber and while being incredibly expensive the possibilities you have afterwards are amazing ... it might not sound as pleasings as a room that fit perfectly the sound you're looking for but having a completely dry sound to work with is incredible

@hxhdfjifzirstc894 2 года назад

I'd like to hear some music produced with only one stereo pair of ribbon mics left in the exact same spot with the same gain, for every track. No mixing, no compression, no eq. If you want a track to be louder, bring the instrument or amp closer to the mics. Mix by positioning left/right + closer/farther from the stationary mic, combined with performance dynamics. Set the initial gain for the loudest track, and leave it there. If there is a binaural head ribbon setup, that'd be cool as well. You just need one good mic pair and one good preamp pair to do this method. And of course a medium or large room that sounds good.

@alvagoldbook2 7 лет назад

Every time I hear studio drums I keep coming back to the same thing over and over and over again. The bigger the room, the better the drums sound.

@macaius 8 лет назад

Awesome!

@jonathanpayne4260 8 лет назад

Great Vid

@Charlyfromthenuclearcity 7 лет назад

Recorded drums in a barn years ago. Best place I ever recorded drums in (studios included).

@BCSchmerker 7 лет назад

+soundonsoundvideo *Thanks for this study of the recording chamber's effect on percussion.* For contemporary pop-rock, the deadest rooms would probably work best for me, as I routinely tune my Tama®/Hoshino® kit for maximum decay time (and Evans®/D'Addario® EC2S coated top/plain bottom, 7+7 mil, would have the longest decay time of any head pair-up I'll be testing).

@iakusz 7 лет назад

very interesting indeed

@mackflynn 3 года назад

RAK Studio 1 is a clear winner for me, at least for this style of song. AIR studio 1 without panels was pretty good too.

@chinmeysway 6 лет назад

Cool! note: in one room, floor tom moved to other side of kit...changes sound if in different position from the central condenser mic, i tend to think.

@raymondgarlick4624 6 лет назад

excellent explanation, thanks. check out the kit at DME studio in Nashville...

@LesonDeson 8 лет назад

GREAT video. Can we get a stereo stem of the drum in each room?

@alexreevesdrums 8 лет назад

Here: www.soundonsound.com/techniques/recording-drums-what-difference-does-room-make

@markpeters2317 2 года назад

AIR Studio One sounded the "best", especially with the little instrumental tracks you had. Mind you, it's probably a pain in the ass when you want less "length" to the drums, buttttt... I could see AIR Studio One being usable for 90% of drum recordings. Use the booth when u want less room. Within the next few years I'm hoping to build my own drum studio, and videos like this make me realize the important thing is room acoustics. Having a big, long room with tall ceilings and dialed-in reflections (not too late) is ultimately the only way to ensure top notch drum production. no amount of nice gear or a great drummer can make up for a room that doesn't kick total ass. it'll just be a game of compensating for lack of proper room acoustics until you have a nice enough space! -massive room, rectangular shape -double story ceiling (and probably an angled ceiling too) -short reflections (lots of treatment, but not overdoing it) -a few odd angled walls (& curved glass everywhere) -lots of bullshit stacked up along the walls to effectively act as a sort of diffusion (this is an underappreciated aspect of large live rooms where things are stored out in the open vs in a separate storage room. An unused organ is basically a giant absorber & diffuser)

@megyalilaballad Год назад

Where can I find the songs in this video, especially the one the drummer performs? I can’t find it anywhere.

@TheWorldTeacher 8 лет назад

I liked the OPEN Air studio sound (no pun intended).

@MrSawlong 6 лет назад

Rak Studio two and snap studio... these are the sounds i want to have!

@mhaslam10 7 лет назад

He is even wearing the same jacket 😂 interesting stuff tho, good job 👍

@alexreevesdrums 7 лет назад

Someone asked me if I was also wearing the same underpants

@megyalilaballad 4 года назад

Where can I hear the mixes starting from 4:21? They are not available on the SOS website, so where can I listen to them? I prefer that tune over the one on the SOS website.

@gorkemturemis4332 2 года назад

There has been years but I could not find the track.

@noreaction1 8 лет назад

are the close mic drum channels available anywhere to download and compare more closely? I only saw the drum mix stems

@alexreevesdrums 8 лет назад

Are they in the MEDIA section of this page? www.soundonsound.com/techniques/recording-drums-what-difference-does-room-make#para15. If not then I think no, sorry

@Happelsladen 7 лет назад

Is there a chance to get the test-song with "air-studio-one-without-panel-settings" or any other version of that song? anyway - very nice work!

@lassihietala8465 Месяц назад

I find the constantly shifting camera angles confusing because it's sometimes hard to spot which room is being used at the time. During the actual demonstration the rooms should be also shown and switched in the same order as they are introduced in the first half of the video.

@taekwanlew Год назад

Saw Alex playing with Elbow not long ago. Astounding drummer

@marvin1574 4 года назад

5:24 is the best room

@bobstuckrath1805 11 месяцев назад

I have a 36 reduced and then boosted to 3.7 incredible!

@ryanseanmusicandlove 7 лет назад

I think unless your a pops musician,we all want that "when the levee breaks"power so. First room with out panels added

@jexnoofficial 3 года назад

air studio one without the panels sounded so good

@rickspyder6159 4 года назад

Where was Tommi Labs on the second pass ... that room is what most of us have... wanted to hear more

@clochardcie9653 4 года назад

Nice video ! can you tell me what is that snare ??

@LuisSanchez-ed9sy 7 лет назад

Hey guys anyone knows the name of the background song?

@DubsMood 8 лет назад

Bands never, really never believe me when i tell them, to better spend 100 bucks more a day for a better room for drum tracking... Next time i play 'em this video.