Your demonstration on eyelights vs no eyelights really made me realize how important every detail is, as it really does make a huge difference that we don't usually think about. I'm in awe in how much work goes into filming.
Maybe I'm wrong, but Infrared doesn't seem to interact with skin the same way the visible light spectrum does, there is less to no subsurface scattering happening with infrared light, making the skin look clay-like, less human.
I once had a bug on my phone where i only got infrared shots. I loved this effect so much but never really knew what it was. Thanks for letting me know it was infrared!
I'm very impressed by your explanation of your process. you take a lot of time with something that I've always considered key--that the best way to get an image you want is being able to describe it well, before you can figure out how to make it happen.
Awesome. Also I keep wondering how come the rubber prosthetics over Feyd-Rautha and Baron' didn't impact the IR emission compared to their faces, like their heads and foreheads wouldn't react like normal skin.
The part about eye-light is very shocking to me, how can such a little detail change so drastically the portrayal of a scene? Definitely want to know more about those film-making tricks.
even if the viewer doesn't pick up on small details like that, the brain does subconsciously, while saying it drastically affects the scene is a bit of an exaggeration it definitely contributes - movies are full of tiny tricks like that to coerce the viewer into feeling a certain way
I see a similar effect of The Engineer, in the movie Prometheus (2012). That almost translucent skin is unique. Having blonde or light coloured eyelashes helps. Avoiding reflections on the eye leaves them looking soulless.
this was really awesome, an infrared scene i would love to see recreated or explained is the one from Jonathan Glazer’s zone of interest, i think it might use a different kind of thermal technique but I’m not sure
Love the video! Also, I am not sure they used filtration on these, they may have but i believe they just used an infrared modded arri 65 for the infrared capturing, in which they removed the infrared limiter. There are some great interviews with DP greig fraser about it.
100% - the same exact camera was used for Loyle Carner’s “Nobody Knows” video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kaDgT7w4dEg.htmlsi=F_bplW-_F8K6AHcm
They removed the internal IR-blocking filter known as a "hot mirror." Without that internal hot mirror, the camera captures IR, visible, and UV light (similar to this 2:08). To achieve the desired effect, they used an infrared filter after removing the hot mirror to cut out UV & visible light and hone in on a specific IR wave-length, creating the black and white look seen in Dune.
I was skeptical at first, but that's pretty impressive. Do you guys make 46mm infrared filters? I would be interested to see what it would look like on a drone
Thanks for the compliment! In fact, we have 46mm infrared-size filters: kolarivision.com/product/kolari-pro-gen-3-infrared-lens-filter/ and we also sell drone filters: kolarivision.com/product-tag/drone-and-gopro-filters/
I did pretty much this exact thing the weekend after the movie came out. Actually bought eyebrow blocker prosthetics as a cosplay test, put an IR filter on my camera, and did a little shoot. I don't have an IR converted DSLR so the effect wasn't as good, but shooting B&W at high ISO with a strobe as a light source worked okay. The eyebrow prosthetics sucked, though. I need to find a better solution.
would you reccomend a full spectrum camera to do nowmal film production and the occasional jaunt into IR/UV film work, or would it be too cumbersome to have additional filters to essentially make this a normal camera on the daily?
We would 100% recommend a full spectrum conversion. Everything we film on this channel is with a full spectrum camera and a hot mirror. It varies between cameras but with our clip-in filters and other form factors it is incredibly simple to put in a hot mirror and forget it is there until you want to remove it.
If you get a full spectrum conversion your camera is able to capture ultra-Violet, visible, and infrared light. That means depending on the filter you choose you can shoot black and white IR, false color IR, normal visible light, and UV.
i had no idea that infrared photography exists. how would the giedi prime scenes have looked if it was just shot regularly? i assume it takes more than just setting the saturation slider to zero. could this look be achieved by just tinkering in the video editing software?
Short answer: no. As someone pointed out above, IR captures light differently, i.e. skin has less subsurface scattering. Unfortunatly, we don't have a "turn skin subsurface scattering on/off" in After Effects, but maybe one the someone makes an AI filter that is trained on IR footage and can mimic it.
I am thinking about using this at night possibly for a fantasy/sci-fi short but wonder, can these lenses allow for more definition in low light? I shoot with an FX3 for context. I’d also be shooting in the woods or country with lots of foliage.
No you will need to have a dedicated infrared or full-spectrum conversion done on your camera. Learn more here kolarivision.com/full_spectrum_conversion
things look different in IR, some things are also a lot more visible when filmed in infrared, most commonly things like veins and so on. It looks pretty different, skin looks more "powdered" and smooth, eyes look glazed over
omg, how much marketing blah-blah for something costing almost nothing, a camera with no UV/IR cut, and an infrared filter, opening at say 850nm and OD4-5.
850, not 720, but whatever. Unless you have 850nm LEDs projecting light, all the camera saw was darkness. Light bulbs emit infrared, not LEDs. Marketing blah blah blah, sales pitch. Downvoted.
Sadly, if a big production like Dune uses something, it then becomes painfully derivative to that production if used after by someone else - homage or not. People will just say 'Oh they're just ripping off Dune'. Remember the Matrix killed off a lot of methods and genres for that very reason.
