Honestly reminds me of a movie i used to have to watch with my sister's, the main character says something along the lines of "....why doesnt he have his glasses, he needs them to be able to see..." well maybe he shouldnt have tried to get her mood ring back. Especially considering thats literally what got the kid.
"You are using Super Speed to get to a crime, then stopping to talk to the villains, and allowing them to escape while only using brief bursts of speed when you have the capability to end the fight within seconds, *think, Barry, think!"*
@@tobsonasanya4765 True, when there’s side criminals at the start of the episode before the main plot starts, he immediately takes care of them. But most of the time, when the main villain shows up he runs there, stops ten feet away from them, starts chatting, then a fight breaks out where he mainly dodges, then he gets knocked aside and the villain steps off screen, and just vanishes without a trace
@@moviehermit5631 Also while the youtuber listed the flaws that does not mean season 1 and 2 were bad. He only criticised the bad parts besides barry was not that expereinced then lol
@@tobsonasanya4765 Except for the times when he takes down thugs immediately. Most metas don’t have super speed, and most of them don’t have powers that make it impossible or difficult for him to just knock them out or take away their weapons or drag them into a cell at Star Labs. We’ve seen him be capable of doing all of this, yet he keeps striking up a conversation, rarely to diffuse the situation, but mostly to have some banter or say that variations of “I’m gonna stop you”
He didn’t block the punches, he quickly redirected them, which was actually pretty brilliant. He was a great hero and it’s a shame he didn’t last so long.
uhh... I think it also opens same can of worms but I can imagine it being like flash but instead of lightning bolts him generating shockwaves countering his punches? Thats why he was running so far just for 1 strike? To neutralize the strike without making contact with it so he won't vaporize?
@@Yoroiful except compared to someone like omniman who crushed his skull under a second it does. I want to remind you Omniman is so much powerful simply by flying around he caused explosions in show at an alien world. Sure against a regular dude you need far less energy to redirect but against omniman you don't have option to make direct contact.
@@makaramussright but red rush equalizes the situation with his speed. Force= mass x acceleration. Physics seems to be applied loosely in the show for obvious reasons but if he were redirecting it wouldn’t have to be head on just move the punch slightly off target and Red Rush can accelerate fast enough to do it
I also like how this show recognizes that, when facing super strong beings, speedsters work best as support, like getting your teammates out of the way of lethal blows.
Actually, a speedster would be able to do quite a lot of damage, more so than a punch from a guy who . KE = .5mv^2. The problem, however, is that they would just break the moment they touch anything at superspeed.
@@AlexanderGorelik-yl2uy DC Speed Force users explicitly are cushioned from the consequences of their speed. They don't experience friction, hurt themselves hitting things when they've got momentum built up etc. It's only when they really push the envelope with things like speed steals, time travel, and infinite mass punches that they risk "becoming one with the force" as a plot tension device
If you notice, Red Rush only hits Omniman where he is NOT looking. When Omniman looks right, he comes from the left. Omniman figured out the pattern and caught his fist.
@@commander061 But that would mean he'd need to generate so much speed he can basically 1-10 shot him with the same strength as battle beast. And Omni man could just stomp on the ground to make a pseudo-earthquake and catch him off guard.
Writing speedsters seems to be pretty hard for most writers (think flash, sonic, etc) since most fights just make you ask yourself “why don’t they just go fast?”
Depends on how well the writers define the rules of their speedster. Flash is a nightmare because of the speed force. Red rush just runs fast. There’s no other explanation beyond that, so it’s easy to grasp his limits in a fight.
@@olivercrespo2329 He doesn't just run fast, he attacks fast as well like when he dished out like 100+ punches against the Mauler Twins while running around them in circles, and he also carries people and things fast too
I think writing most super people can be hard. We tend to not see experienced people because they can auto solve most problems. The problem is that is boring. There was to be "real stakes" and the illusion or failure or it wouldn't interesting either. We will rarely see certain super people at their peak. That is kinda why we blame writers for how a hero can do 1 impossible feat but be 'humbled' by something far less another day.
@@TorqueBacklash I think another thing people forget is that most heros are still human. Super or not you won't always have the best answer for every situation.
I always found it messed up that the Guardians were holding their own UNTIL Red Rush was killed. He was protecting everyone, without him they started to fall apart.
The reason they lost was that they held back. They were still talking among each other, asking if he was perhaps being controlled. They didn't want to hurt Nolan. Imagine if Immortal went apeshit like he did later, but with all his Guardians helping him. They'd have won. They already put the guy in a coma.
I dont think we was like fully blocking Omni-mans punch for war woman, more that he was pushing his fists out the way with his momentum to make him whiff them
I like to think that he traveled with the perfect velocity to make the force between his fists and omni man's fists completely neutral, effectively cancelling the punch entirely.
2:00 He's not blocking it, I think he's redirecting it. Look how Omniman looks to throw a straight punch, but ends up throwing a hook that is short of her face. I think Red Rush redirected the punch so that it's trajectory missed her. Edit: cheers for the likes boys
Yeah he kept parrying and deflecting his strikes against the others. he should have kept up that strategy running inteference instead of switching to offence but he needed to give the others time to reposition and figure out what was going on. Unfortunately that got him killed : \
I was getting ready for him to be my favorite character… out of nowhere he got gripped up. That’s when I knew this show was going to be not the show I wanted, but the one I needed.
Omniman was so full of shit when he said super speed is “not exactly a premier super power”. He probably only said that because he’s petty about Red Rush making the job harder for him lol.
@@ImperativeGames Comparatively Omni Man got the whole lot while Red Rush had a singular Defining attribute as a superhero. Honestly though, I think if he just stayed supporting and didn't try to attack at all, the fight may have ended better for the whole group. Him going on the offensive and then dying caused everyone to go into shock and lose their reasoning imo.
@@ImperativeGames omni man doesn't really have super speed though. not like red rush's super speed or the flash's super speed. he has super speed because he moves quickly, not because he actually can perceive the world slower
@@ImperativeGames also, more specifically, although im not sure if red rush has the exact same abilities in total, the flash has speed senses, basically speed everything. someone like omni man, superman, or homelander or whatever, yes they can react quickly, yes they can move quickly, but it's a completely different type of super speed
@@DrHeavenly I get what are you talking about. Flash and Red Rush are basically living in time dilation bubble and so they are called speedsters. And they are really breaking laws of physics when they use their speed (you can't really move through air as fast as they do without invulnerability, which they don't have... so it's not only moving superfast). Although Omni-Man doesn't have the same power, he still can think and perceive reality much faster then humans can: he reacted, caught and killed Red Rush before anyone else was able to move. And it's explained in comics how he can earn money as a writer despite being full-time hero: when he needs money he writes entire book just in a few hours. Ofc, Red Rush could do the same in minutes, but still. Remember: Omni-Man isn't human. Human would need some power to think fast, Viltrumites are simply genetically superior... humanoids, so they don't need one of those "magical" abilities like flight or superspeed to do that.
In his defense for his 'one L,' we don't see any of the heroes around when RR is smacking up Omni Man. It's believable that OM would keep the full extent of his powers vague over the decades of being a hero for moments like this. Red Rush could genuinely believe that OM is incapable of catching him, even if he memorizes the pattern of attacks. You have to remember, Nolan can accelerate to the point of making air particles explode. Red Rush had every reason to believe Nolan couldn't touch him, as he was already failing to stop him from saving his friends. As for the 'staying on support argument,' every attack that RR intercepts is a close call. He nearly hits Immortal, even with the push. The downward punch almost hits Aquarius, and he almost lands a hit on War Woman multiple times. RR recognized that a single punch from Omniman would kill any of them. Statistically, if they kept fighting like they were, we can say RR can save 99 close misses out of 100 before the team starts to whittle down.
he should have remained defensive instead of offensive, and they could have won, but the show wanted all of them dead, he could have just gone with phantom girl and scaped.
In the long run everybody would have died! Since RR has super speed which also equals to super quick realizations and thinking he should have relocated everybody and formed a new plan! This wasn’t gonna work
@@trl2151 Uh, he was. That's exactly what would happen if you travelled around a planet 3 times in 2 seconds. Perhaps not "explosions" but definitely massive damage done from friction being passed from one partial to the next at massive speeds. Causing what is essentially explosions.
@@manh-haimuller6027 "he should have relocated everybody and formed a new plan" Relocated them *where* exactly? i don't think there's a single place on earth they could have gone to be safe from omniman.
to give CW some slack, they have to keep the show interesting with multiple speedsters for a long time, and if they had all of them as smart as RR each episode would be over in 5 minutes
They had to choose between making him practical making every villain encounter 5 minutes long Or Turn him into the dumbest man alive so that they can shoot full episodes
I think his death is also the most brutal, as he experiences it over a much longer period of time, slowly getting his head crushed in, with his desparate punches quickly breaking his own wrists, but he keeps them coming cuz he cant find an alternative. To me, his death was the most heart-wrenching
Yeah I didnt realize what has happening when I watched it at first. I thought his punches were slowing down due to his head being crushed but we were just switching to his speed where he is crushed in super slow motion.
I missed it the first time, but his comment earlier about how he perceives time so much slower than everyone else made his death so much more horrific. He destroyed his own arms basically punching a wall for what probably felt like hours as his head was slowly crushed. Not a good time.
@@JayJonahJaymeson probably not hours, what we saw in invincible is probably the speed he felt it, cause if you notice during it you can everyone running incredibly slowly towards him. So we can infer the omniman literally crushed his head in less than a second. Red rush felt it for maybe a minute
Since the scene was from his perspective, we saw how slow it was for him. To everyone else omni-man suddenly exploded his head instantly, from his perspective and ours, it was a slow squeeze. Omni-man wouldn't have needed to seemingly strain or slowly crush his head.
@@almatsailaukhan9181 some can assume he was trying to do it fast as possible and thats why he was going for "brain blow" after all its one of the fastest deaths you can give to someone else. Many other deaths (even decapatating) is much slower compared to that. But red rush's death was the quickest. I think Omniman still liked them to some degree and he knew he was gonna be miserable while dying no matter how he do it so went for quickest way. he could easly ripped his chest by half and thrown him away but for him that death would take like hour.
Do you remember, when he told his wife how long a mere conversation seems to him, like everything is going in slowmotion? This makes his death even more horrible.
@@K4inan there is no doubt, that most of the viewers realized it, but you can't be certain everyone did. Also is this post just a reminder and some things feel better to be said than unsaid. And don't call me "bro", bro.
Don't give a f*** about this guy to be honest you just up here for one episode and we were expected care for the guy who just only appear for a few minutes of the first episode ya wish for a spin off show
He had more characterization than any of them honestly. Established wife, how strained relations can be because of it, how he felt about his job, how it really has been a long time for him, some sensitivity to seeing people puke, and how good he is at his job. Which is more than basically everyone else combined.
@Wolverine X-men That doesn’t make him better or worse, besides, we’re talking about character depth. I felt like I hardly knew Immortal even after he was resurrected. Red Rush had the most character out of the original guardians.
I’m pretty sure the slow crushing of RR head was already how he was perceiving what was happening, I think his head was crushed in an instant after omniman caught him, why else would no one try to intervene. And it’s clear he’s strong enough to do it in an instant so, I think we were shown already just how slow and painfully he endured that head pop.
I think it's a compromise between real time perception vs his perception. Throughout the entire sequence, his fists are flying at various different speeds, but most are still going quite fast. I think what he experienced is still heavily implied to be _way_ slower than what we were shown, but I think they drug it out just long enough for us to get the idea w/o it being needlessly graphic and killing the pace of the scene.
In the beginning of the fight none of the attacks were even effecting Omni. I think that's why Red Rush switched from defense to offense. At that point, he probably thought he was the only one who could even damage Omni.
In the beginning Red Rush was my favourite character in the show Then the end of the episode happened and I realized I'd need to find a new favourite So sad
For me it was Mark anyways, Knowing that he’s voiced by Little Cato from Final Space just opened up much more emotion for me. Much more than him being Glenn from TWD did.
Not every day that happens eh? It's not on the level of "Hey I'll just Undo my Marriage, the ONLY good thing that ever happens in my miserable life as the vigilante hero, by MAKING A DEAL WITH A DEVIL LIKE AN IDIOT! To have a %#!@%!%$ PIGEON liberate a FAT CRIMINAL that KNOCKED ME OUT!" or something...
Red Rush did more damage to Omni Man than The Hammer and Kaiju combined in just a second and a half. EDIT: He's the only reason Omni-Man's heart stopped and collapsed him into Cecil's mercy, he killed Nolan while making all Guardians 100% untouchable before he chose offense in fear/anger. You're the true legend of the show, Red. You died above Viltrumites as far as I'm concerned.
He just ripped his suit and reddened his chest lmao, he didn't do shit. Omni-man was also not really defending himself at all, so his version of getting his ass kicked would be somewhat plausible. If Omni-man wanted to go in there and rip them to shred with taking as little damage as possible, it would have been much more brutal...
@@stoyanstefanov5460 actually, Omniman was bleeding out the mouth and nose after what Red Rush did. Before you say that was RR's blood, with the pattern it made going down OM's face, there's no way all of it could be just RR's. Obviously, some of it was his, but, most of it was Nolan's.
It takes less than a second for the human body in a full sprint to take a step. In that time, RR's head got crushed. The now infamous scene happened within a second, by the time the guardians knew what was happening and started running towards the two, it was already too late. A human can react to something around 20 frames (1/3rd of a second). Considering they're superheroes, lets say they do the same in half the time (10 frames, 1/6th of a second). The team took only a single step before RR's head was crushed, so roughly the entire sequence happens in nearly an instant. But for RR, that felt like an hour.
Situational awareness is the greatest asset for speedsters, you could realistically block any attack if you some at it with the right momentum from a different angle (that's how he saved war woman)
This actually gives me some new respect for the character, I don’t think I noticed any of this when I first watched the show. But now seeing this it goes to show just how big of an impact he really had on the fight and helping them live longer.
In the fight against Omniman he was also the hero that hurt him the most, arguably. All the bruises on his chest, the damage to his clothes. But, what they should have done is had him run away to warn HQ. Omniman would have never caught up to him.
@@Sketchy_Dood call in the other heroes? If the guardians of the globe could hold him off for long enough for them to teleport in some backup, omniman would lose easily. Also I'm not sure omniman is comparable in speed. He was fast enough to pre-emptively catch Red Rush's punch because he was dumb and punched in a predictable pattern. But RR was way way way faster. If they had all the other heroes try to hold him back and RR just pounded on his face, Omniman is dead. If RR fought dirty and speed bagged Omniman's balls, he's dead. If RR exclusively acted defensively while the others attacked, they win. If RR poked him in the eyes 10,000 times instead of punching him in the chest, he's dead (in this case RR is dead too though).
That's good for the long game with the ultimate goal of stopping omni-man, but in that moment he was the only thing keeping the other guardians alive. I don't think he could justify abandoning them, not with the shock still setting in.
I swear, if red rush had focused on blocking Omni Man’s punches like he did with saving War Woman in that one scene, the Guardians would have beat the shit out of Omni Man. Unfortunately Red Rush pulled a dumbass move and decided to start punching the superpowered alien that can survive in outer space and is bulletproof, but Red Rush was still such a great character for the short period of time we saw him. I hope he returns in a future Invincible season through time travel shenanigans and whatnot, or flashbacks.
I don't think there is time travel in the Invincible universe, but the multiverse plays a pretty important part so it's not impossible to see Red Rush back
Actually, red rush can hit quite hard. As we see when he’s punching Omni man as his skull is being crushed, he actually breaks through his suit and damages Omni man. If you watch the rest of the fight you will notice that the majority of the hits that Omni man takes are to the head, not the body, since Martian man was covering his body while restraining him, so the internal damage done to him (mentioned in the hospital scene) was likely in part caused by red rush’s punches. As we see later, not even mark, while enraged, was able to even lightly damage Omni man. This means that red rush, with his repeated high speed punches, actually hits harder than mark. Much harder. The problem is that he can’t take hits, which is why he ended up breaking his hands while punching Omni man. Since he didn’t take any visible damage from the punch that he blocks it’s likely that he didn’t actually block it, but instead redirected it away from war woman. He’s basically their glass canon. I wish he had stayed on defense because then they might have won.
They really would have won if Red Rush stayed defensive. That's his best ability: Keeping people safe. He can push his friends away from Omniman's punches and redirect those same punches too.
I read the comics after the series and in the comics omniman doesnt even get hit by the guardians, the only one tk see him is imortsl and its because he lets him, that makes him even scarier in my book
@@joaquimlopes257 the show does it better because the guardians had a real chance to win. For dramatic tension to happen in a fight, there has to be a chance of either party to win or lose. Same reason why it was a great decision to nerf a lot of the strong marvel characters for the mcu, and at the same time, buff a lot of the weaker ones. The story benefits from the characters having smaller gaps in their power levels.
@@ShadeSlayer1911 the comic makes it scarrier, because if he wipes out the best heroes in the world in seconds who could stop him? And later you figure out, how would earth be able to defend itself from say 5 viltrumites?
@@joaquimlopes257 No chance to win just means everyone just give up. Having a chance to win means we can still try our best to try to win. Like, the reason why the fight between Captain America and Thanos was so damn great was because at several times, it really seemed like Steve could have won. If he maybe didn't jump towards Thanos with such a telegraphed attack. If maybe he held onto the hammer a little bit harder. In the end, he lost, but the fact that he could have won made it such an epic fight full of tension. Similarly, the battle on Titan between the Avengers and Thanos was also like this. It really seemed like if they had just done a little bit better, they could have gotten the gauntlet off of him. If instead, we got the comics version of Thanos with the comics version of the stones, then it'd be no contest. Our heroes lost, and we know it because of how obviously wide the power gap is. No tension, because you just know they will lose. If Omniman was as strong as he was in the comics, my reaction to that fight wouldn't be being on the edge of my seat, my heart beating 10 times faster than normal, sweating bullets, etc. I'd be "whelp, looks like Earth is screwed. I guess everyone should just give up now?" And the show wouldn't have nearly held up as well through Season 1. Heck, if that happened, I might not have even bothered to watch the next episode, because I've already seen this kind of unbalanced shit so many times before, and I know I'm bored of it. I've seen so many times what happens when a writer believes that a stronger character must make for better story / character. Sometimes, the far smarter move is to have some restraint and make your characters weaker. And to have that restraint is impressive, since a lot of DC and Marvel writers seem to always want to make their characters reality busters eventually. I like Tony Stark as a character, but come on, him being able to program his own universe into existence is just too damn much. Imagine a horror game where the monster is so powerful and you are so weak that you don't even get the chance to do much of anything before it yeets you into the afterlife. After the first couple of times, you just know what's gonna happen. Bad game. A good horror game gives you limited means of surviving, but there are still means of surviving. Plus, having Earth's heroes put up that good of a fight goes against Nolan's idea that humans are so underneath him like he says. Look at us, puny little ants, who made a god bleed, not just once, but multiple times. Making the Guardians that much weaker than him instead makes a huge disservice to humanity. And a lot of the show's themes once you get to the climax is that humanity is worth fighting for. That's why Cecil and his crew were able to put up such a good fight against Nolan, despite having no powers of their own. That's why it's Mark's human side that finally gets through to Nolan, when his Viltramite side utterly failed to match him in power.
TO BE FAIR, the guardians were taken by surprise and didnt know whether omniman was acting on his own free will or was being controlled so they probably didnt have a killing intent at first, RR probably thought his punches would be enough to KO omniman without killing him Also episode 7 implies omniman hid his power level while he was on earth, Cecil thought a low yield bomb would be enough to knock him unconcious which was not the case, so to recap - omniman had the element of surprise - he had the killing intent - he fooled everyone into thinking he was weaker than he actually was so RR made an understandable goof, its ok champ, youll get him next time
honestly youd think they would have a code word for a situation like that. Like maybe a word that meant "YO RR GET US TF OUTTA HERE RN SO WE CAN SCATTER AND GO WARN CECIL" or some shit like that, or at least have a plan for what to do if someone more powerful than them attacks them all
@@LargestLuke in the comics mark goes to an alternate universe and warns the guardians and they do actually win when they are prepared. So yes, "next time"
Another thing to keep in mind, for the show at least, Red Rush actually did a decent bit of damage to Omni Man's torso. Seeing that someone on the Gaurdians was able to deal damage to Omniman is probably what gave Cecil the impression a small yield bomb could do something. With all that in mind, Omniman then spent time in the Flaxan multiverse thingy, long enough to grow a decent beard, and Viltrumites gain power as they get older. So, aside from Omniman hiding his powers on Earth, he also probably got a sizable power boost between the guardian attack and Cecil trying to kill him.
Red rush definitely has some super durability and strength. They’d be necessary sub abilities for speedsters. Otherwise they’d self destruct from pushing their bodies to those extremes. And we see that it makes a long time for omniman to crush red rushes head. Later in the series we see him crush things alot easier with one hand and often seemingly harder objects too. Even crushing other peoples body parts with ease including that one flaxians head using one hand. They definitely put a lot of thought into this character and his abilities. Super speed is a pretty hotly debated power and they should know cuz they took influence from dc.
A small but noticeable detail is that this scene was actually from the perspective of Red Rush. This is shown by the speed of everyone around Red Rush. Everyone is in slow motion.
The head crushing was at super speed. To everyone else in the room, it probably happened in the blink of an eye. But to Red Rush, he felt every nanosecond of his skull slowly being crushed.
It happened quickly, it just seemed slow since it was from Red Rush's point of view. Short conversations last hohrs for him so him getting his head crushed probably took a second or two for us, but a few minutes for him. Everyone was running in slow motion, even the music slowed down to a crawl once Omniman picked him up.
Given how fast he is, what looks like him “blocking” Omni-Man’s punch may have actually been him grabbing or pushing his arm in the right direction to redirect it. This doesn’t hold up well once we see before his death that Omni-Man is able to perceive Red Rush at high speeds, but I still think it’s a cool possibility.
Well him stopping Omni-man's punch is pretty explainable. He lacks super strength, sure, but he's running at god knows how fast, and is carrying god knows how much kinetic force with him. He just used the kinetic energy he was running with to cancel out the kinetic force of a super strength punch. I'd have loved to see a show about that team before Omni-man.
YOU DIDNT MENTION. That he internally bleed omni man. When he was punching dents in omni man's chest rapidly u can see omni man cough blood as he crushed his head
Yeah, for sure RR broke at least a few ribs, and definitely punctured a lung for that to happen. Omniman barely survived that encounter with them. Not only did he sustain internal damage, but Warwoman CLEARLY concussed him with that swing to his temple, probably fractured or dented his skull. The Immortal also probably cracked his jaw with those punches. TL;DR Warwoman, Red Rush, and The Immortal did the most to Omniman.
It also makes sense that red rush was the first to realize Omni-man was trying to kill them, because he said that time moves slower for him than others so he would have more time to think about what was happening, which i didnt realize when i watched the show.
The show has done an amazing job at making the guardians of the globe look like a real threat to Omni-man. Red Rush is by all definitions an amazing speedster, he carried the entire fight with omni-man, well at least the part he was alive for. His decision making is on point and he uses his power in really creative ways. Like stopping Omni-man's punch. His only mistake was being Omni-man's friend and comrade, a mistake he paid for dearly when he didn't fight at full power
Red Rush saves the other Guardians by protecting them from Omni-Man's attacks, but as soon as he starts attacking himself, everything goes to shit. Just goes to show support should never DPS.
@@blutwirbel3180 Depends on the game. If it's FFXIV, then the Support should never DPS. If it's Overwatch, then there are some occasional opportunities where Lúcio should try to push enemies off a cliff.
it would go to shit regardless. Ominman adapted to his speed and it wouldnt matter if Rush tried to deflect his fist aimed at War Woman or attacked himself -he would be grabbed either way.
Healers should dps in FFXIV, raids and particularly Savage difficulty, are balanced around the concept of all 8 players doing constant damage. That's why they are given DoT spells and regen/mitigation spells. The only thing that changes is the focus from learning a fight to clearing, then farming. While learning, you focus on healing, moving from phase to phase as mechanics get learned. While clearing, you should dps mildly in case you have to clutch. Finally, when you reach farm status, you should be completely aggressive and just keep an eye for possible mistakes, be it yours or your teammates'.
He experienced his death in slow motion. The others just saw is head immediately explode, but he felt every agonizing moment. Also the fact that he kept punching even when his hands were shattered is badass.
Thats because he knew if he stopped even for a fraction of a second he was dead for 100% certain. And if he functions like any other speedster his body would heal faster than others and thus better to have broken bones for a while and be alive than just succumb to death.
Red rush probably didn't flat out block it, only redirected it, but because omni-man is so strong he has to hit him REALLY hard in order to make him budge like that
I feel like Red Rush definitely had some level of superhuman strength considering if he was a normal human those punches would do absolutely nothing even if they were extremely fast.
Red rush ISN'T blocking omni man's punches. He is DIVERTING them. It's hard to stop a punch with an open palm but it is very easy to divert it to the side even with a little slap.
@@josueanguiano2165 I mean considering how hard he punches and how fast red rush is moving it kinda makes sense that there'd still be shockwaves from it even if he's just deflecting his hits
exactly, if you watch the shot again is hand flicks to his left before connecting to the female hero, so theres no reason for him to do that/follow through. red rush just diverted it instead of tanking it
A trem used while I was training in JKD, (Jeet Kune Do) is called "Slipping" a slight nudge on the opponent's hand, wrist, even forearm. In order to hand the opponent's strike "Slip"past you in order to open them up and counter with that opportunity.☯️
that's what I was thinking, it's not foolproof cuz overwhelming strength is by nature overwhelming, but with his speed it is very reasonable to assume he was simple diverting the punches
1:57 He doesn't "block" his punch but just redirects it to swing away from her face, Red Rush doesn't need much strength to nudge a high momentum fist already in motion.
I actually feel like Rush probably has some form of improved durability? He doesn’t suffer any drawback from the speed, and it takes a good moment for Omniman to crush him.
The head crush took less then 1 second, but red rush perceives time different, they state this, it's something like 100 times slower then a normal person, so 1 second to him feels like several minutes.
@@Amardarial Hmm if he had such extreme reflexes I don't think he'd ever be caught though.. Omni man is quick but even a human like Cecil is able to teleport away before he reaches him at a farily close range.
@@MaMastoast cecil didn't teleport himself though his people were controlling the device when cecile had to focus on what he says to omni man to distract him.
The fact that the writers knew the Guardians would be dead by the end of episode one (or comic book one, I guess) and still put that much thought into them is incredible. Meanwhile the writers for the Flash have no idea what's going on for at least 8 full seasons.
In the comics, there was an alternate reality arc, where they beat Omni man. Red Rush played support and the Guardians lured Omni man to trap him. This version of him is basically him catching a syndrome of idiot ball
By the way in The Flash show every time Barry picked up John Diggle and dropped him off somewhere he would always throw up. He was the only character that would do that. I guess you could say it was a running gag.
Red rush's death was so cool, he was attacking OM from outside of where he was looking, so OM puposefully looked away, and only then caught RR, the fights in vinvinsible (at least the ones with skilled fighters such as OM and the gaurdians) are really smart, the people are genuinely fighting smart and looking for any advantage at all times
I have to point out one thing is that Flash has the speed force meaning he can grab or snatch people at super speed with out killing them. The speed force basically makes an area around a speedster normal that's why they can see and talk with out running out of air or going temp blind.
@@namekiz3199 no because it's a small area like a few milmeters or inches off his skin, plus even if they shot at him it would be impossible to hit him since the area appears when he starts running
I think Red Rush only was able to deflect Omi-Mans punches and wasn't necessarily stopping them. Maybe he was only redirecting them into more of a curve
2:18 omni-man actually just baited him here. After realizing Red Rush was only attacking where omniman wasn't looking, he spots him, pretends to look away once he predicts where he's going to be, then catches him once the punch lands.
Its really not an idiot ball because red rush is only so smart. He attacked on the opposite side like he does with every other fight and Omni man guessed it instantly, but it was clear he was slower than red rush, so an average person would probably also make this fatal mistake. You also forget that before this happened Red Rush was not privy to the information that Omni man was trying to kill them as he was the first to die.
@@MortalDaemons super speed=super strength. Since force= mass x acceleration. If you have one power then you must have the other. Also his reflexes didn't kick in to avoid omni man's attacks.
@@scifirealism5943 Super speed -> Super strenght Being super fast makes you stronger, but not the opposite. And if it do, it's limited (like jumps or front impulses, but it don't mean that you can stop running
Remember how he says moments feel like hours, how it's hard to keep conversation with people because of how slow they talk. How long do you think it took when omniman crushed him?
What we see is what he felt, the scene was slowed down. If you watch it back again you can see the rest of the Guardians running in slow mo. Probably half a second or so for omniman but like twenty-ish for him
CW Flash is an embarrassment T-T, least Red Rush uses his powers in decent ways. Invincible characters (some at least) do know how to use their powers correctly with them big bois brain, like how dupli kate keep her number 1 safe in somewhere unknown while leaving her number 2 do everything aka she basically achieved immortality
@@CelesQuinn Barry if he was in that situation: **Travels at super speed toward Immortal, stops before he push him away**"HEY IMMORTAL!! WATCH OUT!" **Travels at super speed right infront of Omni man location, stops to talk for 2 minutes then dies** **Watch the women run toward omniman, waits till she dies to react**
Actually, during the entire fight you see omniman doing weirdly timed pauses looking for him, i think what they tried to convey is that omniman eventually got him despite him being extremely careful. You can see all kinds of weird things on fights in this show, including positioning changing mid-cut and weird power levels, i think Invincible focused much more on the story than on the fights (even though they make better fights than many movies), they are mostly one sided massacres.
Omniman is a fighter, tracking the most dangerous or most important target is second nature. Once he realized that RR was using a pattern to attack he used it to catch him which is what he needed.
@@TheLastSane1 Red Rush needed to leverage the fact that Omniman could never force him to take an engagement. Continue to bait and redirect and for fuck's sake, attack his stance instead of his face and torso. He may be able to fly so it doesn't seem as relevant, but even a Viltrumite needs good form to deliver an effective attack, so deflecting any part of his lower body may help stop him. Red rush needed to employ weaponry, too. His hands were just not heavy or durable enough for this fight. Imagine if he had a pair of katars, tonfa, cesti, or even a pair of good old USMC Kabars.
@@keamu8580 Very true but do remember this is a sudden attack by someone they thought was a friend. They thought he was being controlled and so where trying to assess what was going on. So yeah even the timetravel reboot timeline showed with foreknowledge RR was able to keep everyone alive.
But actually that made it feel a lot more realistic too. If people in real life had super powers and were duking it out, by all accounts most fights would be over extremely quickly. The first well-placed attack is likely to absolutely destroy the other person unless their ability is highly defensive.
It’s my head canon that Omni Man despises both Red Rush and his memory, hence his callous remarks of both him and his wife Remember that Red Rush did more damage to Omni Man than literally anyone else in that fight.
Not to mention Omni man very much was trying to prioritise who to take down, Red Rush was only one actually fast enough to make a difference, so he pretty much tried to take him down first and foremost, if he was alive he won't let him kill anyone.
Yeah. I mean if the guardians were attacking Omniman with the element of surprise and a plan they might have been able to take him down. But as is he got the drop on them, and pretty much all of them fumbled during the fight in some way. I mean it's not just that Red Rush died and couldn't help; seeing his head explode made everyone else scared and angry, which made them less effective. Which seems to have been Omniman's intention.
@@tobsonasanya4765 They all fumbled or made the wrong choice at some point in the fight, yet Omni Man still passed out within 10 seconds of the fight being over. Guardians of the Globe could've absolutely clutched that if they played their cards right
one thing you didnt mention which imo puts most emphasis on how great of a character he was in almost no screen time is that until omniman tricked him you can see that although the entire gang was fighting him and going after him he legit ignored them entirely. he basically gave 0 fucks bc he knew he had to take care of red rush first bc he cant get anything done with him present. goes to show that he was the biggest threat/hindrance to omniman
His death is even more horrifying when you remember he literally just moments before told someone that each second feels like an eternity to him. Yikes.
If you pay close attention, you can see the guardians running toward him REALLY slow as his head is being crushed, that's because for them, his death was instant. But for him, the whole time his head was being crushed in screen, that's how slow it went for him. That's scary dude.
It’s kinda weird to think about but get this, how is he able to live like a regular human (besides super speed) if he lives in slow motion. He would have to talk very slow from his point of view
To be fair. It was told that the speed force protects whoever Barry is holding in a veil like fashion. But you are correct it doesn’t have any repercussions
This is the answer to all things inexplicable for Flash, why doesn't Flash work out, need to eat as much, kill people he moves without slowing down!? Speed force.
Actually, ONE character does suffer from speed repercussions. In crossovers with Arrow, it's shown that Diggle does puke when moving at super speed. So I guess it's safe to assume that every other character just has a hardened stomach.
Honestly without the speed force or a facsimile, super speed doesn't really work. The extreme g-forces would turn your internal organs to mush, along with anyone you try to transport.
I’ve always said Hes biggest mistake was to attack ommi man. He should’ve stay as a support character on that fight. They would’ve lasted a little longer.
then what? so they would last 10 more seconds? a warrior does not operate on the peasant logic "how do I last longer?" you either win and live or loose and die and when going against more durable and stronger opponent - battle of attrition isn't exactly the smartest move. that's what RR understood because he had the most time to think: better to unload all guns while you still have them. people say he had it the worst because the agony of his death lasted for so long for him subjectively, but I think it's even worse, since this entire battle for him was seeing how futile it was no matter what tactic he would employ.
@@baburik My god, how dense are you? RR can take people out of the way of attacks and even redirect some. He's the only one without super strength and he could give warwoman a couple extra hit. Plus saving that green girl. Honestly I don't usually talk in "who would win X or y" arguments. But seeing you say things like "peasant logic" while also entirely missing the point is ridiculous.
@@cractor6307 "He's the only one without super strength and he could give warwoman a couple extra hit." eyep, and he did. he tried everything from his usual. when your usual tactic doesn't work because your opponent not only stronger, more durable, more experienced, but most importantly very fammiliar with the way you fight as a unit - maybe it's time to change the tactic? RR figured it out in mere seconds (minutes of his subjective time) and you struggle with this simple notion for months. who's dense here?
The ultimate strategy for a speedster in a team fight would be to amplify the damage of others attacks with distractions. Not to strike out on your own where you are the sole focus. Say warwoman goes to hit omniman, red rush pushes the mace weapon to accelerate it faster, throwing off omnimans timing and adding to the damage, all while keeping himself out of arms reach from Omniman. Or pushing the back of someones elbow as they go to punch lol. Provided that doesnt shatter their fist. And just waiting for someone else to attack and hitting them simultaneously from a different angle. Maybe even fractionally before the other attack, to lower his guard to the incoming attack. If he was solo fighting. With his speed, the best option would be to throw items at him from a distance. Sure it might not hurt omniman, but he can even throw handfuls of sand, into his opponents eyes for good measure. Like the worlds deadliest shotgun lol.
Red Rush playing support reminds me of another speedster Tachyon from SotM who can play most of the round supporting characters but if needed can focus all of their raw speed into a brutal megaton punch
Remember that scene when Immortal trying to push Omniman eyes in side of his skull ? I'm pretty sure his eyes are just as strong as his skin/ slightly weaker
@@lucilferadonis5481 he's probably panicking, i mean everyone is if your head getting crush slowly by a hydraulic press. And even if he strike for the eyes his finger could break instantly after first strike any way
I love this show, and this scene specifically, because even Rush seems like a real person. He spends the fight on defense, protecting his team (and friends) because he knows he’ll lose. He takes on Daddy Destroyer because he knows they’ve lost, and he’s trying his best to save them by buying time and trying to wear DD down. Even though it clearly doesn’t work, it could easily be assumed or claimed that he knew it wouldn’t.
That wouldn't be too helpful without super durability as well, though. Remember, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The super strength power is both the ability to perform work and resist destruction. Without the latter, then that 200 km/h punch will... well, you saw what happened while Rush was punching Omni-man desperately.
@@AngelicusEXperimentMany speedsters also have super durability by default, or else they would just die because they wouldn't be able to handle their own speed. For example, Sonic the Hedgehog. He has fallen into the Earth like a meteor, and caused a crater upon impact. It barely bothered him. He also has been hit through buildings by a huge robot.
@@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770 sonic isn't a good example. He has plot armor, not actual capability. Remember, he sells merch, and him dying because he uses his powers isn't selling any merch.
@@OmniDan26 It happens too much though. He fell and landed headfirst in Sonic Adventure, he fell and landed headfirst in Sonic Unleashed (twice), and he fell and landed headfirst in Sonic and the Black Knight. Besides, one of his most basic attacks is literally running into and through things when you boost. And that's not just a gameplay thing, since we see him do it in the Unleashed intro.
I think a small change that would’ve been better if Red Rush was shifting Omni Man’s fist into a different direction so he couldn’t kill War Woman rather than blocking his attacks.
@@marquisarchibald6623 I don’t think so cause when Omni man threw his punch at the same time Red Rush ran to protect War Woman, it was shown a little shock wave happened like Omni Man did hit something since his fist got hit away close to him. Plus War Woman didn’t get moved from the spot she is in during that moment.
@@honeycomb170 someone said that red rush probably did hit omnimans fists, the shockwave or impact could have been red rush's hit, and not omni man because of the speed that red rush was going, him hitting omnimans punch into a different direction could've made that shock wave or impact
I was honestly super sad when he died, for this very reason. He seems like a super tactical entity, and generally seemed to be a generally level-headed individual. And it makes sense, with the whole "Time is slow to me" allowing for a huge advantage, which, while not used the best it could be (see the Webtoon series "The Boxer" for the best example ever), was still probably the best representation in media I've seen of super-speed. (But I also havent seen a lot of superhero stuff, so my foundations shaky)
2:01 I think he blocked his punch maybe by going so fast catching a bunch of air molecules in a dense enough form so when he moves back it forms a shield
1:58 if you also look hard enough you can see that red rush didnt block that hit instead he bent the arm of omni man at super speed so that it would miss the shock wave you see after wards is from omni man instantly breaks the momentum of his own arm and those speeds it would cause something called back blast so it all makes sense to me.
2:04 “Not exactly sure how he did this since Omniman can punch through bodies.” He wouldn’t have to be blocking the punch head on, all he would have to do is redirect it enough to change its direction.
@@JohnDanielRay1 Well, he clearly had a lot of strength as well, to lift a dude up and bend pipes around him + he pushed Immortal who can throw someone into space. So I'd say strong enough to slightly redirect a strike, but not enough to push him around. As it was seen that hits still moved his head side to side (Omni mans head, so his neck muscles did move to adjust impact a few times) from Immortal and WWs strikes. A push into his already swinging arm at full speed can at least move it enough to be off target. Which is what happened after all.
