The funny thing is that according to German Combat reports, ME262's MK-108 30mm cannon's 30x90mm HE Shells(Mostly, also have armour piercing etc) are more than capable of taking down most of the single-engine fighters at that time WITH A SINGLE HIT(4-8 rounds to take down 4-engine bombers like B17/B24), including any variant of P51... Where as in 00:51, that P51 took at least 6 round of it... and these 30mm impact just looks like German MG13(13mm) or even just MG17s mounted on ME109 variants.... The accuracy of the movie is even more questionable in 2:47 when both aircraft charge head-on... The impact of of shells from 262 literally looks like standard MG17 bullet's impact, and the pilot took at least 4 of those 30mm(maybe just shrapnels since there's engine and glass in front of him taking the direct hit from the shell )..... If it's in reality that P51 gonna get tear up into parts right at the moment those 30mms land on any parts of it, and if pilot took just one round directly(and it detonated successfully), that poor bastard's whole upper body should be gone(yep that's the actual impact of a bloody 30mm high-explosive/armour piercing shell)...... But yeah, its Hollywood so I get it :/
Thats right as the germans in ww2 are simply not allowed to win anything as it wouldnt be accurate because the allies won. The Nazis did nothing right and had even worse accurasy than stormtoopers what litterally every D-Day movie shows as the germans at best kill like 10 soldier or only just wound them.I mean its not like germany completly overrun poland belgium, netherlands and france and took a giant part of the ussr. But the germans are not capable at anything in ww2 because americans are unstoppable and literally god so you cant heart them and when you say something against that you are at least a nazi and a commie as well. By the way Bitain almost lost the battle of britain if Hitler wasnt so stupid to try to bomb London to the gound instead of attacking airfields and industry after churchill ordered a bomb run on berlin to make hitler angry.
@jaydee040 But the fact that the p51 was faster in the dive did not help at all in dogfight. The Me262 only had a really vulnerable moment that was at the time of landing and in fact was where most of the victories over those planes were achieved
fun fact the worlds greatest ace(i forgot his name) was a German pilot never once got shot down he did have to make 14 emergency landings but not cause of enemy fire, instead he would wait until he was about 20m away from his target then open fire which essentially instantly shredded the enemy however the debris would break his plane. I'm saying this cause this part 2:52 reminded me of him edit: the ace i am talking about his Eric Heartmann who is considered the "ace of aces"
@@gorgi7009 flak vest only protects the pilot from fragments not hits. Also if it’s the plane that gets hit by 30mm, the vest won’t matter. The aircraft will be shredded.
@@ariq4209 dude the fuckin pilot would have basically exploded, when they tested a bf-109s 20 mm cannons on a spits wing it completely exploded it off so imagine what a 30 mm will do to a mustang 😬
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How did a 6-caliber 50 p51 beat a me 262 with 4 mk108 in combat? and how did the mustang pass through the wreckage of me 262 and not even get damaged? this scene makes no se.
262s were less maneuverable and lost alot of speed when turning p-51s also had better acceleration, the 262 was very flawed and it's pilots were inexperienced
Actually that's not true. 262s had extremes flaws in their technolgical designs. P-51's were still far superior aircrafts during the time. Matter a fact, 262s are still rated fairly low as a "powerful plane". P-51's would be a better option in combat if you were in WW2.
@@goldenhawk352 I won't explain all the flaws of a 262 but the biggest one was that manuvering such an aircraft was exetremly difficult at those times, P-51s used that to their advantage as seen in the movies Red Tails. Sure a 262 moves a lot faster but it can't dodge fighter aircrafts easily. 262 was originally planned as a bomber plane, but lacking many tools, completeing bombing missions was difficult and it was redesigned as a fighter. But still as a fighter the 262 still had many flaws in it's design. The only reason 262 stood a chance was basically it's speed and guns. Everything else about the aircraft but complete utter trash.
Everything is wrong with these scenes. 1. Dude shot with 30mm and survives and his plane too 2. P51 follows me262 and able to keep up on his 262 tail 3. B17 survives multiple hits from me 262. Note. - nothing can catch me262 in ww2 unless it is taking off or landing. And in this scene they are flying at combat speed. Result - it is totally nonsense to watch such aa clip even for entertainment.
oh yeah and another thing the Me 262 has a mixture of HE and tracer rounds so round would explode on impact separating and creating holes, and in the head on part, the guy would have blown up into pieces and the engine would have blown up from the HE shells
umm the P-51H can go 700kph and the Me 262 goes 800 kph but the movie had P-51D so you are right but they went up altitude so they might have been able to go fast too Edit: The 262 lost speed while in combat
@@shauneeeeeeeee3876 A p-51 would never be able to go 700kph it would have to dive to achieve such speed meanwhile the Me 262 could got up to 800kph in level flight no problem, also the 262 pilots were trained to keep momentum in flight so they lost near to no speed.
Yeah I was saying this in the context that those shells didn't even knock him out, and I also guess they were all dud shells cause they didn't detonate
Yeah. Gotta love ‘Murican propoga- I mean engineering! Willing to bet those Me-262 engines would have instantly choked and died if they’d flown through a light cloud.
El título "Red Tails: P-51 Mustang vs Messerschmitt Me 262" sugiere una película de acción histórica centrada en enfrentamientos aéreos durante la Segunda Guerra Mundial, específicamente entre los aviones estadounidenses P-51 Mustang y los alemanes Messerschmitt Me 262. La elección de "Red Tails" como título también podría ser una referencia a los pilotos afroamericanos conocidos como los "Red Tails" que volaron en la Segunda Guerra Mundial. En general, parece ser un título atractivo para los amantes de las películas de guerra y de aviación.
Yes, learn history. In the head-on attack, the combined closing speed of about 720 mph ~1.200 km/h was way too high for accurate shooting. All the MK 108 could only fire about 44 shells per second (650 rounds/min from each cannon). Even from astern the closing speed was so great, that at maximum speed the ME 262 had less then two seconds time to shoot. And that is just the theoretical time, because the ME 262 would ram its target if the pilot uses the entire 2 seconds for shooting, while he is in range. Only with advanced tactics and missiles as armament was a braking before the attack no longer necessary. But even these advances couldn't compensate the lack of training of German pilots and so they were still possible to fight. Even Soviet IL 2 Sturmoviks have shot down three ME-262s and they are not even half as fast as the ME-262 and actually pure ground attack aircrafts.
Yep definitely the p 51 is faster than a me 262 in a dive even if the 262 was farther ahead the p 51's 50.cals had at least 1200 yards extra firing range than the 262s 30'mm cannons
This battle engagement really happened. But it’s inaccurate for Hollywood and “MURICA” purposes. Tuskegee pilots of 332 FG escorted B24s on a 1600 mile trip to Berlin. Me 262s led by a ace were able to rake the bombers with 30mm shells and At least 5 B24s exploded. 2 black Tuskegee pilots were able to sneak up on me 262s after and shoot them down. Both German pilots bailed out and survived. One black pilot was denied ace status because of his color. White pilots of 31 FG joined in to intervene and were LATE in order to relieve the black pilots.
You completely missed everything I said. The me 262s in this battle downed more bombers and fighters than shown here. So the germans are portrayed weak here. Second the black ace was denied his last kill purposely to deny him of ace status.
Ah yes, I had read about that too. Apparently the Me262 suffered engine failure and in an effort to restart the engine,the pilot executed a shallow dive but the P51s caught up to him and shot him down
@@TheJimyyy mine shell is the correct name. Minengeschoß (mine shell) is a type of high explosive shell with very thin walls, which allowed for more explosive to be packed in them.
@@TheJimyyy also the term mineshell is used for the german he shell that has more high explosive filler than normal. Second there is an armored plate right behind the pilot so even if the mineshell did not explode after going through the pilot it would have exploded after hitting the armored plate
Ok as a study of WW2 I’ll toss this out there for anyone wanting authenticity. The ME-262 appeared far too late in the war to have a significant impact on things, air combat losses were actually pretty low. The 262 pilots were advised to not stick it it out in ACM with escort fighters . They were advised to approach front on and as fast as possible. They would in essence “ boom and zoom” denying the escorts the chance to engage them. Dogfights did happen but it was the exception not the rule. The ME-262 actually had slow responding throttles, and mishandled throttles often resulted in flame outs. The Germans tended to build 262 units from the most experienced combat pilots they had left feeling their skill would let them employ the jet most effectively. So you’ve got a plane with tricky throttles that liked to burn out motors, yep the TBO on a Jumo 004 turbojet was in many cases just 30 hours. So that meant that you might have gotten maybe a weeks air combat before you had to pull the engines to rebuild them ( par for the course when most were cobbled together in peoples basements and slave factories). Most 262 kills by allied fighters were on takeoff and landing, the 262 was very vulnerable that way
I bet any aircraft is vulnerable while takeoff and landing, except P-47 Mustang, those planes landed and took off at 400 mph. Like the famous millenium falcon! But wait, that´s scifi.........
@@berndbrakemeier1418 The touchy throttles made the 262 exceptionally tricky to land. On landing a normal piston engine fighter just shoves the throttle to war emergency power, retracts the flaps to combat position and retracts his landing gear if attacked or jumped. If you tried that on a 262 chances are 1 or both engines flame out and your a dead stick landing. The 262 airfields actually had FW-190s orbiting it to offer additional protection to the 262s on takeoff or landing till it could get its flaps up and the gear retracted
@@wombatwilly1002 I’m not saying it couldn’t work but 262s were rare to begin with plus those 30mm cannons in the nose were utterly devastated if they hit you. It’s probable they got noob pilots who weren’t as versed in skill as older more seasoned veterans were. Like I said the 262 was so valuable they had FW-190s flying combat air patrol over the bases on 26# takeoffs and landings. They were supposed to protect the slow to respond 262 when they were most vulnerable. Most us jet kills were made on takeoff or landing
Finally, someone actually analyzing instead of automatically saying that the movie is bad just because the 262 was faster and using that as their only piece of evidence
Me watching red tails: p40 destroys train w/ .50 cals: ok meh. lucky shot? p40 cripples destroyer w/ .50 cals: . . . ok. . what. . .? p40s annihilates german military base, flying at low altitudes, w/ .50 cals: wtf is dis BS p51 out climbs me262 and one shots it with .50 cal: hory shet wtf dis is 2 biased p51 pilot survives getting shot by german 30mm cannons, meanwhile german me262 gets one shotted in a fireball by .50 cals: o_O wtf.. how.. pls.. help
No it didnt, the ME262 was produced far too late into the war, Germany had little to no experienced pilots left to fly the plane, and almost all the runways were bombed to hell by the allies at this point in the war, not to mention fuel was EXTREMELY scarce... (which the ME262 needed a TON of) With all that being said, there presence in the war was too miniscule to be of any real use.
@@sturmgewehr4454 the engine problems and pilots held it back. But it wouldve been cucked by Meteors anyway if the war goes on. And there's actually aces that flew the 262 towards the end of the war and survived.
German pilots partly scored higher kills because of a target rich environment and a hell of a lot of missions. The highest kills for the Americans was around 60 while the German pilots broke 200-300s quite a few times
Leandro Evequoz I'd say the Americans would win....the German fighters had no experience with the Me262 whatsoever and the gunners from the Bs and the Mustangs would probably defeat them.
Aleks Marchant LoL it aint real life either,,And btw anyone knows that if it would have been war thunder you would have seen a frk yak killing everyone..
LightningThief 111 Yes..."just"...Mustangs needed much higher altitude to catch a Me262,to build up enough speed in the dive...you do not simply get behind an aircaft that is more than 100mph faster and shoot it down...
Okay, I have a few questions about this scene: 1. How do 30mm HE cannon rounds do _less_ damage than 12.7mm machine gun rounds? 2. B-17s were called “Flying Fortresses” because they were tough as hell and had _no less than 13 0.50 caliber machine guns in each bomber._ With this in mind, *WHY IS THERE NOT A SINGLE SHOT FIRED FROM THE ENTIRE BOMBER FORMATION DURING THE ENTIRE FIGHT?* 3. At what point did anyone anywhere in history claim that a P-51 Mustang was capable of staying with an Me-262- _the world’s first successful jet fighter_ -in a *dive?* 4. HOW DO YOU SURVIVE TAKING 30mm HE CANNON ROUNDS TO THE CHEST? Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
icdont think that the b17 were able to hit the me262 because they wer to fast, but they would have at least tried it when the me262 wasnt in a dogfight with a p51
5. we see a Me 262 go into a spiral after losing an engine but they can fly fine with only 1 enigne 6. the Me 262s are very late war and the same with the B-17s shown but the mustangs they're using are only P-51-C's which were only used early/mid war 7. during the war bombing raids were mainly escorted but P-47 thunder bolts instead of mustangs because the mustangs had much less fuel capacity then the P-47s and couldnt fly nearly far enough
I am just here to say that whoever had the idea of a Mustang surviving a head on attack towards 4 RheinMetal Borsig Mk108 30mm cannons should stop using bath salts .
@@laurabowling6525 "slowly" mate, those rounds go supersonic. That's not slow. And those were HE-T (High explosive-tracer) rounds, with enough explosives to one-shot a fighter. Film is unrealistic.
@@laurabowling6525 Speed doesn't give that much advantage. Bigger round equeals bigger TNT filler which equeals bigger damage. By the way, because the round was slower, it should detonate right after penetrating, meaning, it should eplode right next to the pilot head...
The Me-262 shouldn't be able to shoot it did. The upper 2 30mm cannons only carried 100 rounds each, while the lower 2 30mm cannon only carried 80 rounds a piece.
The Mustang was the most versatile fighter of WWII. The Mustang more than held it's own against the Fockle-Wulf 190, the Me-262, and everything else the Germans had.
Not in this movie. Here a 30mm can not penetrate the P-51D hood. Three 30mm rounds can only wound an Red Tails pilot. But a single 0.50 round can put to pieces a whole Me.262 Squadron. I am puzzled of the damages 30mm rounds can inflict on B.17s but how ineffective these rounds are against P.51s. I thought it was the other way!
According to some German experiments in WW2, a single 30mm round was usually enough to take down most fighters. Two would always do the job. Three were enough to shot down a B-24, a B-17 was tougher, it needed up to five. But, as I pointed out, not in the case of the Red Tails, these were specials and their planes were also special!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This kind of movies does them no service!
Bart Bols look i really have no time to argue with you... if you look close you will see the 30mm rounds hit the pilot not the shrapnel. (here's a hint for the next conversation you'll take part in: write everything in 1 comment)
***** Yes, but did the P51 look 1500 m to you? And for bomber hunting 20mm-30mm is the only way to go! At close range, the MK 108 won by default! Whats more please explain how the P51 survived MULTIPLE SHOTS FROM A FLYING GRENADE, with NO DAMAGE EXCEPT A FEW HOLES OF FLESH IN THE PILOT! In all seriousness, one shot from that and the P51s engine is a loaf of burning toast! In a prolonged head-on the P51 will have a change, as long as it breaks off before the ME262 gets in firing range, and then it is highly unlikely that those bullets will get in the engines. FACE IT! unless the ME 262 pilot is dumb and starts a turning fight with the P51, or does a vertical dive while the P51 is still in close range, the P51 has very little chance against the ME 262! Had it been mass produced, it could have dominated the sky's until the Meteor came to save the day! Yeah, the P47s and P51s will have a fighting chance, I mean the ME 262s were not THAT good, but they would still be outclassed. AS for the Spitfire, all but a couple Griffon variants will be made obsolete by that point... Also, guns can be replaced. Had the ME 262 had 50 cals would it be better then the P51 in your books?
@jaydee040 300-500 meters? Are you nuts? I can hit a man size target with a .223 at that range!! Penetration the same? You have no understanding of ballistics! ME262 a failure? The tactics employed and the lack of experienced fighter pilots is what held it back from its true potential. Peep Jagdverband 44 if you want a history lessen
You forget that the MK 108s on the 262 were nose mounted, so they had higher accuracy. But like I said, unless a enemy plane drops on top of a Me262, their is no way anyone could ever catch it. Also, a close range head on would be suicide assuming the pilot was a good aim. You also are forgetting the ME 262s purpose, which was to shoot down bombers and not get caught. Now you try doing that with 50cals... I agree with you about it being unreliable though. The real problem I have with this clip, is not 50cals out gunning 30mms, its that the P51 takes MULTIPLE HITS from the ME 262. Had the ME 262s shells not been hitting, that would have probably been realistic, but just one minescgogal (don't make fun of me for not knowing the right spelling...) shell to the engine and the P51 is done
***** You for get B17s guns are highly inaccurate. And when a plane is impossible to catch, that's the POINT! The POINT of the ME 262 was to attack bombers, kill them in as little shots as possible, and not get caught! If the ME 262 was not superior to all allied planes, please explain why most ME 262 kills were while it was landing or taking off?
The 262 dominated just about every battle it engaged in scoring an average 4:1 kill ratio so you usually died if the ME pilot had any skills. The problem was that even that ratio only accounted for an average of 1% of the actual allied forces engaged in that mission. In the ME's first big engagement they sent up 37 planes against 1,221 bombers and 632 fighters killing 13 for a loss of 3. 4x as many kills as losses is good on paper but when the enemy is sending up 50x as many planes as you are then that ratio does not mean whole lot.Had the Germans ever been able to field enough of them properly then they would have had air superiority but the sheer volume of the devastation being unleashed on the German fuel and industry meant the 262 was doomed. Can you imagine that group of 250-300 ME attacking the bomber formations ? it would be disasterfor allied forces and they never attempt bombing the germany frequently. I must say with my al respects to afro american pilots but this movie is another american mambo jambo propaganda.
you do know the ME-262 other than its speed and weapons were a flaming hot piece of shit? engines had to be replaced after every battle. but this was 6 years ago, so I'm not even gonna bother
how does a person still function after having several 30mm holes punctured in their chest impacting at the bullet speed plus the speed of his aircraft?
+SgtJack BR (xXSgtJackXx) still alot faster in a dive then the p52 will ever be. also this movie is super unrealistic, it looks like propaganda man, not even the Russians make movies like this one.
+TheLordhorationelson you're only saying this because they were black pilots. They did infact weret the first unit to shoot down the 269 jet fighters.This was not propaganda as you say. The only reason the history books dont mention this is because they were black man and blacks cant be portrayed as heroic.
+Eddie Enigma074 wrong. Major Joseph Meyers war was the first pole pilot to spot shoot down an me 262, and he is white as hell. The Tuskegee airmen got their p47 and p51 beginning July of '44, just in time to get in the aircraft that had already killed the 262
When a much-faster turbo jet attempted to evade a pursuer, it was very important--at least, in Hollywood--not to utilize the speed advantage and pull away, but to roll and roll, bleed off airspeed, and give the slower prop plane a better chance to stay on its six and shoot it down. It was just so much cooler looking.
+Jan Pa The 262 could reach a higher speed, but had poor acceleration and was a poor dog fighter. They were not reliable and were easy targets if slow. Me 262's were build for "energy fighting"/hit and run. Thats it, if they made a mistake or were dove on by a p51, they were pretty much screwed. The armament (30mm cannons) was alot more powerful interms of actual damage input, but they had a slow velocity, slower rpm and low range, making it alot harder to hit an intended target, especially when travelling at a high speed. The p51 was better overall/more all rounded. Im not saying the me 262 was a bad aircraft at that time, but it was still an early design with a bunch a flaws.
@@albertdougensen639 moron germans knew how to use their sharks they didnt get low and slow they used boom and zoom tactics not bullshit like in this shit movie
In a straight line yes but diving or turning the p51 had an advantage as the me 262 coundnt turn very we'll as it it would have to give up its speed as if it didn't it would of stulled
This movie was a real chance to honor the courage, skill and sacrifice of the Red Tails' pilots but it instead wound up being another Hollywood comic book rendition of history.
@@RetroFlame04 altho8gh being more agile the 262 was faster by 100mph had better performance at high altitude and even though the 108s are slow they are meant to destroy anything in their path so
@Retro Flame actually the Me-262s packed better guns they had 4 30 MM guns that would shred a P-51 in two I am surprised that during that head on the red tails pilot wasn’t blown up inside the cockpit
Now dont get me wrong it is a movie but those 30mm would rip that mustang apart they fired only high fragment rounds/explosive out of them me262 head on suicide fact. movies just want there justice :/
+Conner Miles no just a shitty director and even worse film. Totally botched a really good story on the Tuskegee Airman. We (as in Americans) fucking despise this trash.
Hollywood/USA propaganda confirmed Me 262 vs P51 mustang 1v1 5x30mm vs 6x9mm LuftwaffeElitten vs pilot Jet Engine vs normal engine WHO win? America rly? Propaganda confirmed
p51 tem 6x 12.7mm 262 tem 4 canhões de 30mm mesmo assim o p51 não teria muita chances contra uma formação desses mostros porem durante a guerra o numero dos americanos era esmagador comparado aos alemães então enquanto os alemães abatia 50 aviões e os americanos 4 jatos pra eles era uma vitoria e já dava uma boa propaganda de guerra já q as formações de bombardeiros americanos era composto por grandes números de aviões ou seja eles tinhão o luxo de perder unidades por outro lado os alemães não
The ME 262 used 30mm rounds , his chest would have been jelly just from the kinetic force of the impact . let alone the 18 grams of explosives used in their rounds to bring down heavy bombers .
@aaron Taylor not always you are forgetting that American aircraft used bullet proof glass and really thick glass on the canopy of fighter planes. The German 30mm machine was extremely in accurate as well combined with low accuracy and the type of glass in fighter canopy construction it slowed the bullet down
@@zackhaycraft8159 you do not survive a hit from a 30 mm cannon, period. And in-accurate or not, the US pilot received what, 3-4 shots straight to the body and lived for another minute? Bullshit
@@zackhaycraft8159 the canopy glasses were designed for partially protecting against machine gun bullets, not 30 mm cannon shells! His body would be semisolid by receiving those 3 hits, not to mention those rounds carried enough explosives to bring down Goddamn bombers.
Most victories over Me262 was when it was landing or taking off.By 1945 most airfields were known to the Allies or as the Germans knew them die Amis.Towards the end the Germans used the autobahns as runways+the wooded area alongside as cover..
@@sleempy6343 not really a 50 cal round is 5 inches in length imagine getting shot 10 times there would be none of you or your plane left to find in the TOMBSTONE
+Speedbird No. Me262 were armed with 30mm cannons. It sounds different than the 7mm machine gun. Instead of the kshk-kshk-kshk! its duoo-duoo-duoo-duoo-duoo.
WHAT? Learn English! I am making a joke about this movies horrific realism. Their is no way a P51 would survive a headon with a ME 262 with its 30mm cannons, so I am joking that it has 7mms!
+Pzkw V im certain your just trolling, bcus ur pretty good when it comes to english, assuming you are not a native english speaker that is, he was saying "lets assume" about the 262 as a joke, pointing out how this is not even close to being slightly accurate, and at the same time, trying to excuse how poory this movie was. he was being funny, you know, making light of how piss poor the accuracy on this movie is,
The ME-262 would not be used in this way. They came in head-on and fast, cut loose with the guns, then sped away before any escort fighters could engage. By the time the 262's showed up, the air-war was pretty much over with. The allies had totally air superiority and could bomb at will, any target they wanted. Even if the ME-262 took out 100% of an allied mission (this never happened) it would result in zero impact on the Allies ability to continue to pulverize the enemy. By the end of 1944 the War Department's main problem was over production of planes and tanks. This is why the standard "repair" procedure for 1945 for damaged fighters and bombers was simply to push them to the scrap pile and issue the pilot and or crew a new plane.
@@TheIroncladResearcher I have a pathetically large amount of time spent in Air RB. But you can have an interesting and dramatic depiction of air combat without dumbing it down to this level. Cinematic recreations with far lower budgets have done a far better job in the past.
That One Guy well if you think about it, the 262 has heavier and powerful engines, Unlike the delicate pistions that propel the Mustang. And it packs a more powerful punch (the 30mm cannons). that’s my thought process.
@chr0min0id 04 I get the power from the 30 mm cannons and how the jet engines were more powerful, but the 262’s engines were extremely vulnerable, like almost any engine on an aircraft. A few shots into the engine and it’s a fireball.
@@thatoneguy7451 I'm not saying the engines were armored, I meant to say that the more powerful engines simply allowed the 262 to climb faster. And because they're jet engines, the 262 had no "Prop Barrier" and could keep going faster until the plane breaks apart.
Although theres a lot of Inaccuracies but the story is real P-51 vs Me 262 when 3 Black American Pilots made History for the first ones shooting down 3 Me 262 and successfully defending the B-17 Formation although no Red Tail were ever shot down during the Engagement only the 262
Isn't it funny that the German pilots do everything they can to protect their families? to prevent their home and loved ones from being buried in ruins. And still be portrayed as bad guys.
Lukas Bechtel Yeah, they were really protecting their homes well over in Poland and Czechoslovakia. Keep that same energy for the polish resistance fighters fighting against the luftwaffe and wehrmacht. Don’t want to get bombed? Then don’t bomb other countries first. This applies for all countries, not just Germany.
Lukas Bechtel it is all about perspective, to germans during ww2 the allies backed them Into a corner and more or less destroyed there country and they were getting revenge, To the allies germany was a bloodthirsty country lead by one of the most evil men in history
1299/5000 Good evening, The frontal air combat (face to face) between a 262 and a P-51 that first leads to the destruction of the ME 262 (even with a novice pilot on board) is simply impossible! Here's why : 1-Although the 262 has four onboard weapons while the P-51 has six, the M262's ammunition has a larger caliber which allows the German pilot to fire at a farther distance while being sure to reach the P-51; 2- Even if the American fighter benefits from a higher firing rate, he is forced to move closer to a distance closer to the German fighter where its six machine guns can converge to hit the German aircraft simultaneously. the 262 does not have this problem: its four guns are arranged in the nose of the plane and not in its two wings. 3-when the 262 simultaneously uses its four guns, it delivers all four 60 pounds of ammunition per second, moreover it is shells that explode and do more damage by having a kinetic energy more important than the ammunition of the P- 51 which are not shells! So the 262 could only win in this type of aerial duel. American propaganda always makes US war machines triumph despite all logic
@@chost-059 Possible, but, the ME262 possesses 04 guns possesseded in the nose of the plane and therefore the inconvenience of the aiming trouble associated with the low firing rate is largely compensated
Ik all of this is fake on the video and would never happen, but what actually happened is that the Mustangs did fight off ALL of the Me-262's and there was a famous pilot who got a medal for his actions.
When Lightning takes on the German Me 262 head on it reminds me of John 15:13 "Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends".
