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Redbull Hardline is the most gnarly DH race of the year.
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0:00 - Introduction and Episode Overview
Welcome to Episode 5! Hosts Rob, Adam, and Will introduce the topics: Red Bull Hardline and 2025 ebike rumors.
0:07 - Red Bull Hardline: Course and New Challenges
Discussion about Red Bull Hardline, its reputation as the world’s toughest mountain bike race, and the controversy surrounding the new 70ft Canyon Gap jump. The segment covers Jim Monroe’s crash, rider experiences, safety concerns, and whether the new course features are too extreme.
4:10 - Rider Experiences and Safety Concerns
First-hand experiences at Hardline, feedback on the course changes, safety concerns, and the role of weather in impacting the race. The discussion includes perspectives on whether the new features are too extreme and the impact on riders’ decision-making.
12:06 - Balancing Challenge and Safety
Debate on making the course challenging yet safe, comparisons to Red Bull Rampage, and the potential risks of large jumps. The conversation touches on rider skill levels, potential course adjustments, and the evolution of Hardline over the years.
19:01 - Hardline Event Details and Viewing Information
Details about the upcoming Hardline event, how to watch it live, and reflections on the race’s 10th anniversary. Speculation on whether the controversial jump will be included in the final course and the overall impact on the event.
22:00 - 2025 Ebike Rumors and Innovations
Speculation on new ebike technology, focusing on potential developments from Bosch and the anticipated entry of ZF into the ebike market. The discussion includes ZF’s potential gearbox technology, its impact on the industry, and comparisons with existing technologies.
37:01 - Future of Ebike Technology and Industry Trends
Discussion on the future of ebike technology, including AI integration, the evolution of auto-shifting systems, and the potential shift towards motor gearbox units. The segment explores the broader trends in ebike design and the potential for major innovations in the coming years.
50:00 - Closing Remarks and Sponsorship
Final thoughts on the discussed topics, including the future of Red Bull Hardline and ebike innovations. A shout-out to the episode sponsor, The Electric Bike Shop, and information on where to find more content from the podcast.

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@RobRidesEMTB 2 месяца назад

Good luck to all the riders taking part in Hardline this weekend, absolutely amazing skills required to give it a go, massive respect to all!

@robbief1 2 месяца назад

I must just add, there’s a great Dynamic amongst you guys. Really enjoying this show & the banter! Gr8 work!!

@RobRidesEMTB 2 месяца назад

Much appreciated!

@onetime242 2 месяца назад

I concur with Rob. As much as I like to see riders and courses pushing the envelope, I don’t really want to see riders getting seriously injured. That canyon gap with the scaffolding has serious consequences if you come up short. I think it’s too much.

@boxinggloves6834 2 месяца назад

Matt and Bernie cleared that jump with very big lucky and you can easy judge that from the videos. The take off was ridiculously explosive. We all have been happy seeing they've made it but this was hell of a rsik.

@mariana2799 2 месяца назад

I think the difference between Hardline and Rampage is the "racing" component. Hardline, you're on the clock. You still need to go down as fast as possible to the bottom of the hill, pushing as hard as you can in every section. So if you arrive 1% cooked at the canyon gap and for some reason you're too short or too long, that could be catastrophic.

@weedfreer 2 месяца назад

Yep

@nomad-pq4yw8iy7v 2 месяца назад

I'm pretty sure the chain isn't going to die anytime soon. I mean you don't see a bunch of dirt bikes with shaft drive or belt do you? Nor do I think pedal bikes will become a thing of the past. I love my ebike but think about this we have all kinds of power tool but yet hand tools haven't disappeared . Maybe the derailleur will end up like cantilever brakes replaced by disc for the most part. Just my thoughts and opinions. Love the podcast keep the wheels turning

@daffydaz3329 2 месяца назад

This jump didn’t need to be tested to see it doesn’t work - this is what's absurd about the whole thing. 3 riders were allowed to put themselves at risk when it was so clearly obvious of the ‘pitfalls’ of this feature - excuse the pun. Looking at the Darkfest ramps, as a comparison, its clear to see how the curvature of the take off lends itself to the right trajectory, plus factoring in the forces the rider will feel through their body. There is a science to building a good ramp and the Atherton’s threw that out the window with this one. 'Push the sport', my ass. In that case why didn't Gee or Dan hit it? Because they knew just by looking at the ramp - anyone with jumping experience knew, its why Bernard and Matt were sh*tting bricks. The Atherton's have lost any respect I had for them. Reckless. They can go stick their bikes where sun don't shine.

@bongobob7079 2 месяца назад

This jump has been removed 2 days ago. Is it any worse than the rampage jumps? nobody complains about them. The rider was released from hospital at 2am the same day.

@BlackHartTrails 2 месяца назад

Rob made the point that Rampage lines are designed by the rider doing it. There is no option for the Hardline.

@TheDamnhook Месяц назад

Just to add to he ZF portfolio: they are already doing electric motors and play quietly big in the EV space. They offer complete integrated front axles with steering and electric motors. From what I’ve seen, they also offer alternate versions of this for different car makers.

@stephenhossack4390 2 месяца назад

Canyon gap is back for next year's Hardline

@knott4me561 2 месяца назад

Subject to safety net and alternative take off.

@Greyarcher1 2 месяца назад

The ZF motor! Its Bluetooth NO cables, it fits several dif motor systems on the Bike, the Battery must have Cables Tough, but it could be looking like a' Carbonsock that goes around the hole frame Triangle,built into the frame glued to gether like the Pole!

@DavidSmith-wy5js 2 месяца назад

Another great show this is a winning format you guys have hit upon. This is not a criticism just a though, why not relate this in a 15-20 min long version focusing on each subject & relate a couple a week ,keep them coming .

@gravity_flow_ak63 2 месяца назад

remember the first 2 people to hit it made it over fine...

@FrazMTB 2 месяца назад

Watch BK's footage again. He wandered over to the left of the down side. It looked as sketchy as hell. He knew it needed more work doing to it.

@scottbagley7513 2 месяца назад

Must say that canyon jump is suicidal I think it’s unrideable!! I think it’s definitely for the best if they take it out how far do you go till Somebody gets seriously hurt or worse!! Brilliant podcast again guys keep it up 👍🏻

@stephenhossack4390 2 месяца назад

Council delayed planning so they couldn't order net in time

@knott4me561 2 месяца назад

Wasn't anything to so with the council .redbull put an immediate stop to it after jimbo,s incident .

@Proranis 2 месяца назад

@@knott4me561 honestly good decision without safety things im sure somebody would have seriously gotten injured or they would only have 5 competitors

@smtkelly Месяц назад

My 2cents; Wireless bar controls/droppers/e-suspension powered by kinetic movement Exotic materials used in gear box motors/batteries to provide/justify traditional tiered pricing we see today in SLX/XT/XTR etc Custom software maps provide/justify traditional tiered pricing (Bosch already did this very shady imo). Controller (ECU) to serve as a central tie in point for peripherals. Separated from the motor making motors 'dumb', allowing motors to be reduced in size, and the ECU to relocated to other areas of the bike. Going wireless would cut down on product design headaches and maybe some weight

@MinskUK 2 месяца назад

Ultimately I don’t want my bike to be completely removed from the riding experience. Just because you can have auto shift, abs and wireless brakes doesn’t mean it’s something that’s actually desired. If we’re not careful we’ll end up with ‘trial correction’ when we ride slightly off line and ‘auto brake’ that instead of helping, catapults you into a tree😅.

@lfhao7969 Месяц назад

I’m very pumped about the ZF new thing

@Greyarcher1 2 месяца назад

I actually think my Bosch CX Power is enough only thing would be getting that 85 nm at Lower and Higher cadense! That would be Fantastic.

@TheCostsboy 2 месяца назад

I have a Riese and Muller Superdelite with a Bosch CX motor and Rolloff Hub Drive and a belt drive amazing

@isozero7265 Месяц назад

Best banter on youtube

@EMTBVideos 2 месяца назад

Hey guys, nice work. Regarding the ZF motor being easy to install (~31:00). Aren't they just saying it's easier designing a frame around a more compact motor? If the "diameter" of the motor is significantly bigger than the TQ HPR50, it won't be that easy though... It will eat into the chainstay length and BBH.

@WM84629 2 месяца назад

I think Hardline should come at the end of the season, so it doesn’t disrupt the world cup circuit with injuries.

@knott4me561 2 месяца назад

That's exactly what used to happen but the location makes it difficult summer let alone spet October

@simony2801 2 месяца назад

You miss the point totally.

@WM84629 2 месяца назад

@@simony2801 care to elaborate

@deanlowe2580 2 месяца назад

It's not so much the gap 70ft it is highly doable, the drop and scaffolding on the other hand make it death. They did take some of the lip angle off and decreased the gap by a meter but decided to pull it, maybe next year.

@PMJ4 2 месяца назад

The jumps a doddle 😮😮

@19bootsy68 2 месяца назад

All it takes is a puncture just before a rider hits the ramp

@reubenbacon9156 2 месяца назад

Problem with planetary gears is there is a bit of drag. Classified hubs use planetary gears in their hubs and the only down side to them is their drag and slight weight increase

@steverose5428 2 месяца назад

It is a crazy jump but all of the pros risk there lives every day for the sport. I have massive respect for them. Not too far as long as the riders are not pushed to do them

@holger_ger3391 2 месяца назад

The Sachs RS engine is from ZF. The engine is a bit impetuous. So ZF must have made a big leap in development. I would trust them. Since it didn't explicitly say full power, I'm guessing 70Nm.

@wombatbreath 2 месяца назад

BTW Whatever happened to the Ceramic Speed shaft drive transmission without derailleur ("Driven")? It doesn't have the weight loss at the rear hub advantage but otherwise it had some interesting ideas...

@mjones9708 2 месяца назад

The plan was to put a safety net in but they went up early

@lars_atx 2 месяца назад

MGU are interesting, hopefully they come down in cost. Autoshift has all the data it needs today, if you have a cycling computer, climb grade, length, etc could all be fed into Autoshift AI. I think that is next big integration is ebikes with partnerships with Garmin, Wahoo, Karoo to enable 2 way comms between bike and gps.

@willgreenfield 2 месяца назад

Thats a good point about the autoshift!

@martinmitchell8408 2 месяца назад

The Atherton's are another level Rachael should do it make the rest think

@robbief1 2 месяца назад

We’re all done with the derailleurs …. After all, they were first out in 1895!!!

@maxderindianer6593 2 месяца назад

ZF Gearboxes are in EVERY BMW not in some

@antediluviangocart 2 месяца назад

Nevermind the obvious dangers, the takeoff and landing looks like ass with all the scaffolding.

@vandazler67 2 месяца назад

I seriously doubt they will allow it without a safety net unfortunately. Someone will get it wrong and the consequences could be deadly.

@Magoo71 2 месяца назад

When are "they" going to make a MGU that has more than the 160Nm that I have on my BaFang motor now? I want an MGU that has at least 160 Nm and also has the trans inside!

@weedfreer 2 месяца назад

You're all missing a point here, or, at least, you didn't mention it Hardline is a race. Rampage is about styling it out. A rider hits that Hardline gap at speed, if there's any mud, wind, or wetness leading into it, then, the likelihood that a rider may wash out and not make it raises to unacceptable levels.... without a net. Even with a net, the thing looked far too kicky.

@andrewhillman9632 2 месяца назад

It's a slippery slope. The need to one up the difficulty versus the previous year and get more outrageous shots for markeiing. It's a climate that could, un-checked, lead to dire consequences, life altering injuries that impact not just the rider for the remainder of their life but their family as well.

@p199a 2 месяца назад

electric motors DO NOT NEED gears. Tesla can do from 1-300 km/h without gears. Gears are only there because of BIG companies making $$. You can have eMTB without cassette, derailleur, shifter or gearbox.

@stanmustard7292 2 месяца назад

I think the gearing is necessary for the rider to be able to maintain a good cadence. But you're right about the motor not needing it.

@MinskUK 2 месяца назад

Yes, but In a Tesla, the driver isn’t peddling.

@paulbent6579 2 месяца назад

Cameras on a Tesla, not such a great example. In the dark or in the rain (of both) you're constantly getting messages about cameras being blocked or blinded. Even worse my wife hit a gatepostin ours because it couldn't detect it's presence, because it was dark and wet 🤷 sticks that they've cut cost by removing the proper sensors

@TFSMILEE 2 месяца назад

Are u interested to test our ebike?

@robwilliams5165 2 месяца назад

It's up to the individual to ride or not to .do people judge a base jumper before they jump.it takes bravery and talent to push any sport. Respect to any rider who takes it on

@Wabit01 2 месяца назад

That is such a BS over simplification and clearly shows what little knowledge you have about jumping bikes and professional sport.

@dirtyoffroader2093 2 месяца назад

Both 90 footers have no real bail out zone, if you come up short you hit the face of the landing or land on rubble/rocks. I walked around there last year completely gob smacked at the stuff they make look easy. As you say the camera's do the course terrain no justice at all. Every rider there is outstanding and brave imho 👏👏..... our stupid 😂😂

@McNulty030 Месяц назад

So all thos light emtbs from this and last year gonna be cheap af on the used market, because no one wants them 😂

@knott4me561 2 месяца назад

In response to bruni pulling out of tazzy ,there really wasn't anything there hardline worthy ......see ronan dunne interview .

@stevenconnor4221 2 месяца назад

Geuse you never seen brendog doing his cannon gap lol. .... the speed you come down that ramp and the lip t the end by physics = you are clearing that jump. It looks as if jim munro keeked his pants just at the lip, which I would also tbh. And the scaffold is fine it will be erected and certified, so all non points from yourself just like the media dont let the facts get in the way of a good story and sensationalism sells. Theres my tun foil hat theory 😂 Planetry gears give more torque also. It makes sense as i have been screeming for for for years a motorised gearbox aka the bikes holy grail... from a mech tech