Rediscovering the Chinese Long Sword

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A brief survey of 2 handed Chinese swordsmanship traditions courtesy of Great River Taoist Center.
Since the other upload on youtube no longer works, I've taken the liberty of uploading it here. Subscribe for more Chinese sword related videos.

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@TheMightyMcClaw 9 лет назад

It is so refreshing to see people in the CMA community who actually know what they're talking about. Thank you!

@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 7 лет назад

Thanks for your support.

@saraishinisayoutubetroll3720 7 лет назад

Good job, its prove that Japan and Korean learned a lot from Chinese dynasties.

@hailshonny 8 лет назад

You're awesome. This is the most functional and historically authentic demonstration of chinese swordmaship I have seen on RU-vid so far. That reverse grip was very interesting way to defend against a spear too. Do you teach? Where is your school?

@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 7 лет назад

Yes, at Great River Taoist Center in Virginia, just outside DC. And seminars across the US, in Canada, the UK, Netherlands, Estonia, Poland... Please have a look at our website.

@i_love_crpg 7 лет назад

I have always believed there was no true chinese swordsman in america. But then i found you, sifu

@oojohn1328 11 лет назад

Japanese learned a lot from the China of Tang Dynasty

@bernardputersznit64 7 лет назад

Most Obliged - Loved both the History & Applications

@DK6Marius 11 лет назад

Yeah, it's clear by looking at this blade that the japanese learned a lot from the Chinese, in terms of swordsmanship and sword making, I suppose Masamune gave it quite some study while perfecting the Katana, someone also must have adapted this idea for the Nodachi.

@ScottyHugefellow 4 года назад

As a fellow follower of the way of the blade id like to point out that you 2 are exceptional swordsmen and your style is both simplistically lethal and genuinely excellent

@Tantive 10 лет назад

I liked the editting, showing the spar whilst using the same cut on the target, great idea

@Kinsanity 12 лет назад

This video is really an eye opener. I have never seen so many practical techniques of the longsword. Please make more awesome videos like this one to educate us.

@KuyVonBraun 13 лет назад

Wonderfully insightful. I am getting into Medieval German swordsmandship myself but it is always exciting to learn about other traditions.

@temmy9 14 лет назад

Very nice. Its interesting to see the similarities and differences between the sword arts you demonstrate, and the medieval european longsword techniques of Fiore Dei Liberi which I am studying.

@tonywoo81 10 лет назад

In tradisional Chinese Military Weapon System, one-hand sword for close combat and used by local safe guards. Local guard do not have weapon strengths to betray the emperor's central army. Formal China Army equip with heavy weapon like long sword, long spear, big shield, big blade, bow and horses. Local guards and civilians only allowed for small light weapons, they hard to match with central army.

@rsxtypesmobbin8661 9 лет назад

I would really like to see antique Chinese swords with heat treated blades.

@willemels5238 8 лет назад

Very comprehensive short video.

@mekugi 14 лет назад

THIS IS VERY COOL. A lot of these techniques are found in Japan in Kage ryu (a longsword school), even the basics are fundamentally the same. The Yue Fei Dao is called a Jizaiken in Japan, almost identical to what is shown here. Thanks for this!

@samuraiprose 12 лет назад

This is very informative and very enriching. Thank you for this well-made video.

@MrOphachew 10 лет назад

I love it. Its almost like a double edged katana. I think this is the weapon practiced in the movie "Iron & Silk"

@Gabao23 12 лет назад

It was the Japanese that copied many sword moves from Chinese sword style.

@chainsawelliott44 12 лет назад

i was expecting a sword similar to the one xianghua uses in soul calibur

@MrCocoRobot 12 лет назад

Katana for example, was once used to describe a specific Nihinto (28" blade length) but evolved to just term Nihonto in general in more modern periods. Yet we don't use the term Katana-Jutsu or Katana-Do either. We stick to the archaic terms like Ken-Jutsu or Ken-Do because that is how they originated long time ago, and it was doubtful that Jian had a general "sword" meaning then, a meaning that is much more modern and altered by history since then.

@santanicolas3057 12 лет назад

The negative comments focus on wardrobe. That is the best compliment ever.

@Skypad00 11 лет назад

Great video, may I ask where it is shot and where you learned this kungfu?

@aznpwnsalot 13 лет назад

@JSdaojian two-hand swords were not used often throughout qin dynasty though. Most people used the machurian swords because of how practical it is in a fight. the weight behind it puts it on par with an axe. The swords itself is also relatively cheaper to make because it does not take much craftsmanship.

@MrCocoRobot 12 лет назад

Shaolin Dao often refers to broadsword, namely Oxtail Dao. Dao shown here looks like Taijidao, more with Taoist or Wudang practice. Taijidao is evolved from long bladed Qing Dynasty Daos, used by 'respectable' Manchu officers in Banner Armies, while Chinese revolutionaries use Oxtail Dao or broadswords. Dadao, Zhanmadao, Changdao (later two became Miao Dao) are used by Green Standard Army who uses ethnic Han troops.

@senseiwuwu9253 10 лет назад

i am chinese but i wouldn't want to mess around with Scot, obviously Scot the master learned the are from a prominent chinese master

@mikelee7798 8 лет назад

No kidding 😉

@varanid9 7 лет назад

Ya think??

@shengxlong 11 лет назад

Masamune was the swordsmith and Muramasa was what he called his swords right? I can't renember well if his swords were longer than usual and much more sturdy, can't renember where did I read that, will link the info when I renember, could it be that Masamune learned Miao Dao forging, and perfected in a way with a bit more carbon? What I find interesting is that the Katana ressembles the Miao Dao, but the curve is much more noticeable, maybe the number of foldings plus carbon added to the iron?

@recruiter40 13 лет назад

I fight with two handed swords against various wpn styles, we use wooden swords so as not to kill each other, it seems that a two handed style has advantages over everything melee oriented other than a Sheild, I'd love to see some techniques that use angles that avoid the shield.

@Damienx247 12 лет назад

Any chance of posting vids of the Chinese two-handed straight sword techniques?

@MrCocoRobot 12 лет назад

Dude, your antiques are likely Qing Dynasty. Qing forgers are so good and productive, even arrowheads are forged. Things are not the same Han to Tang Dynasty when swordsmithing was passed from China to Japan. That is like a thousand years before the Qing.

@mykulpierce 5 лет назад

What do you think about the idea that the Tang Dynasty saw the two handed double edge sword migrate to the West over the silk road. Perhaps influencing the adoption in Europe.

@christianvaixco196 2 года назад

👍👍👍👍👍

@MrCocoRobot 12 лет назад

Sanmei is not about making a sword stronger. The inner core is often a soft core. It is to make the sword flexible so it will not break when metal goes against metal. Hard brittle, super sharp swords are the first to break when it goes metal to metal. Also, an edge too sharp means it will chip easy. Battle swords have a certain dullness in their edges, a certain softness and flexibility so they don't chip and break.

@MrCocoRobot 11 лет назад

If you really understand how swords are used in battle, pure sharpness is not a desirable quality, as it is only going to chip and crack against shields, armor and other swords. A certain degree of bluntness and flexibility is needed to keep the sword from breaking. Daos and Shamshirs are also meant to be used in horseback, so that is a very high impact force if you are striking with the horse in full gallop.

@pchemist 12 лет назад

I think for the most part, Chinese swordsmanship has been preserved in forms just like western swordsmanship has been preserved in sport fencing. While something is retained in both, there is a lot of actual combat application of real weapons lost in both. That's just my impression from my experience in both eastern and western martial arts.

@aznpwnsalot 12 лет назад

In a sense. Traditional japanese kendo focuses alot on pure upper body strength. for most slashes, you must maintain body posture and use your arm and leg as the energy provider. With acient chinese sword art, most of the two handed swordsmenship requires your entire body to move to generate torque. This in addition to the arms and legs grants more energy but generally exposes the rest of your body to the enemy.

@ElliFong 10 лет назад

Oh my god, Ji is just like Zwerch from the German :D And Hengpi is similar to one of the technique from Nachreissen No surprising

@DeadBoysTwo 9 лет назад

That comes from the fact that there are only so many ways to come out of a sword fight in one piece, and even fewer that keep the blade of a sword from being destroyed during use. The biggest resemblance would be found in classical Japanese swordsmanship due to the similarity in the weapon itself. The main differences in technique most likely formed due to the higher durability of the Chinese sword. Thought the Japanese continued it's use, the differential heat treatment was mostly abandoned by the Chinese soon after better smelting methods became available. The ability to produce a consistently springy nature in the sword meant it could be used to more aggressively deflect and parry other weapons in ways that would severely bend or chip a Japanese sword of similar shape. But due to it's age and innovation, it wouldn't be a stretch to call the techniques shown here the grandfather of all two handed sword styles. So some resemblances are to be expected. Though I can, with confidence, say that classical Japanese swordsmanship has more in common with this than many many post Meiji, and even post Edo period systems found today.

@7dayspking 7 лет назад

....actually a lot of the techniques in German longsword would in your view destroy the blade...lots of edge on edge contact for example.

@TheXanian 13 лет назад

@JSdaojian In the video, you already mentioned that two-handed swords were used during Sui, Tang, and Song. Two-handed sword technique was invented much more earlier than Qing Dynasty.

@MrCocoRobot 12 лет назад

Long thin Manchu Dao (goose feather, willow leaf dao) are not inspired from Japanese swords but from Turk-Mongol sabers, which started straight but gradually curved over time to the point like you see with Shamshir or Kilij. Qing Dynasty is the Golden Age for Chinese wushu, and the Qing Dynasty dao design became basis for Taijidao.

@TaoistSwordsman 3 года назад

5:30 is the boars tusk deflection in Fiores flower of battle!

@skyjuiceification 11 лет назад

i will even go as far as saythere is also a special genius in the islands of japan for bladed weapons innovation. the techniques are much higher in refinement as well. meaning they needed better swords as the requirements for their weapons was greater.

@saigagu3816 12 лет назад

Like I said, the first speaker's comment was rather brash but we would appreciate if you helped raise awareness to both han chinese and foreigners of our cause. Thank you.

@MrCocoRobot 11 лет назад

I can't see how. That is as sharp as anything I have seen, and Rodell executed it with a short stroke. There was no indication that the Katana is superior as slashing weapons --- much of Japanese hand to hand combat took place with the Yari and Naginata, just as the Chinese fought with their equivalents, the Qiang and Pudao. Swords are like handguns in battle, you use them as last resort when your pole arm is expended.

@LiouTao 11 лет назад

It depends on the period. Han dynasty swords were commonly at least 1.2m.

@scottsinclair1986 11 лет назад

Thank you for your reply. It was very informative.

@9unslin9er 8 лет назад

Dude totally looks like David Carradine.

@1Invinc 8 лет назад

I was thinking more Kevin Sorbo

@kungfupro 10 лет назад

The movie totally mixed jian (sword, two cutting parts, straight) with dao (one cutting part, curved shape), and one handed swords or sabres with two handed swords and sabres. But in a very cute in innocent way.

@bloodyChina 10 лет назад

maybe coz there's no concept of 'dao' in western culture

@kungfupro 10 лет назад

Incorrect, 王朋。 In western culture there were both: Jian (straight sword) and Dao (broadsword). European armies used broadswords for almost last 500 years, and even during II World War.

@ElliFong 10 лет назад

FunkyMotionTV You are right on some part and wrong in other. Broadsword are still a double edged straight sword but wider than normal straight sword in Europe. In Europe, the very first version of 'dao' is sax knife(something very long) from about 8th century to 11 century. And 12-14 century, falchion starting to shows up. Then from 14-17 century, there are sabre and messer. They are generally single edged straight swords from different country. So it isn't just 500 years, it is more than around 900 years.

@BFX9000 12 лет назад

Thank you for summing up the ridiculous logic of Chinese right-wings. =] Rediscovering these martial arts should be about historical knowledge, and not about personal feelings.

@MrCocoRobot 11 лет назад

It is Nippon. Some Japanese pronounce P with an H sound, as P, F and H are phonetically interchangeable, and H is P without the nasals.

@Lordofthenipplerings 13 лет назад

Qing was just another extension Han Chinese culture. It further continued to push neighboring states into Chinese sinocentrism. Expanding the use of the Chinese language over the peripheries and continuing the tradition of having other nations become Chinese tributaries.

@陈萍-q8d 6 лет назад

nice video , very useful acts.

@KhallDrake 11 лет назад

No, the european longsword was on average 1.2 meters, similar to the rapier and the jian was around 1 meter long.

@Tantive 14 лет назад

Interesting seeing the movements, opposed to european longsword with the straight blade :D

@temmy9 12 лет назад

Because there are only so many ways one can optimally employ a sharpened two handed bar of steel. The Europeans also used two handed curved swords, and thier arts also looked like Japanese techniques despite having no contact.

@MrCocoRobot 12 лет назад

Kendo = "Ken" is actually the Japanese conjugate for the Chinese word, "gim" or "jian". Kendo literally means, the Way of the Jian. Japanese also calls Jian, "tsurugi".

@mojothemigo 12 лет назад

By the sound of this video, it sounds like a lot of this was lost and being put back together from old manuals. If that is true, it is the same thing as those of us that are involved in practicing European Renaissance martial arts from trying to learn from our old manuals. Though I am surprised since there are many Chinese martial arts preserved. Maybe I just misunderstood, sorry if that is the case.

@shengxlong 11 лет назад

Hwang was korean and he used the chinese bronze broad bastard sword from, If it was around the 1300-1400 era, should be the heavy straight sword, a very common style for wanderers, the praetorian soldiers prefered to use one sided blades though. which was the Miao Dao, If i'm wrong just correct me.

@tuerkefechi 12 лет назад

But that is something completely different. Kendo is a modern fencing sport, if you want to compare, you should compare it with kenjutsu from the koryu. And in my opinion comparing them, both are great and pretty similar.

@Rockkarate123 8 лет назад

I am intrested in working with the Chinese long sword. do you have and training videos?

@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 7 лет назад

Sorry we don't, but we have seminars in Northern Virginia, just outside DC at Great River Taoist Center.

@MrCocoRobot 12 лет назад

You are assuming that language is static. It's not. Words actually change and shift their meaning, like the generic Spanish word Spada for sword originally came from the Roman Spatha, a cavalry sword. Jian, Gim or Keng as it may have been pronounced in an earlier period, may not have meant "sword" in a generic sense, as the Chinese themselves always distinctly separate Jian from Dao. Dao is both To and Chi in Jpn, so why is it "To-Do" or "Chi-Do" used to describe the art of blade fighting?

@justinstewart705 7 лет назад

Vary intresting this reminds me of Toyama ryu battho jutsu but with longer swords and no iai drawing cuts cool stuff

@Skypad00 11 лет назад

I perfectly understand what you are talking about, but the present day China's problem is that it is so large that it encompasses many cultures, even the Han people weren't actually a single ethnic identity, but many assimilated ethnicities united under one culture over ages of war. The Manchus assimilated themselves into China and thus became Chinese.

@shiryunoeytze 12 лет назад

a question, the style of this sword in construction and techinque is very similar with the katanas, do you know why? please, i need to tnow that

@mojothemigo 12 лет назад

I don't know anything about Chinese swordsmanship, so I won't say anything about it's current use. I try not to talk out my rear about subjects I know nothing about. However, I do know a little something about western swordsmanship and modern sport fenching is a shadow of when swords were a much more important part of war. Even classical rapier fenching was a very different and deadlier then modern fencing, much to the disgreement of modern fencers. There is nothing held over prior to late 1600s

@quickstep2408 7 лет назад

... so was this chinese general a colleague of general yu dayou? was looking for yu dayou's shoalin-influenced longsword style

@supafred16 13 лет назад

pretty cool video

@ap0lmc 12 лет назад

a lot more technical that's for sure.

@DanTheShotokanKid 12 лет назад

well yes and no. making it is different, shape and style depends on who you ask. Because there's 3 different brands of sword styles with the japanese. there's Shinto, Iaijutsu, and Kenjutsu.

@screwyouDOTcom 11 лет назад

Seems like every one of theses videos also comes with an additional history lesson in the comments.

@aznpwnsalot 12 лет назад

Dao is more of a saber though.I would say it's a long sabre. Although i guess the way chinese distinguishes sword and sabres is kinda hard to translate in to english.

@TheOneAndOnlySame 13 лет назад

@Nagasaski Or is it that humans are all the same and they tend to find and develop the good techniques adapted to human biomechanics ? The human body has mechanical constraints, there isn't an infinity of (*efficient*) variations possible when holding a sword.

@utterlyhollow5377 4 года назад

Where did you get that cutting dao?

@Baihu108 14 лет назад

In over 25 years of training in Chinese Martial Arts, every single Han Chinese teacher I met wore a jacket just like the one worn in this video. As did martial artists of all ethnic backgrounds during the QIng. Given that the Manchu people only made up at most 3% of the population of the QIng empire (i.e. they had plenty of help from Han Chinese conquering then ruling China) & that it was well over a 100 years ago now, let's leave the anti-Manchi prejudice in the past where are racism belongs.

@scottsinclair1986 11 лет назад

So since I've gotten a few replies on this now it's fair to assume that on average European Longswords are longer than Chinese Longswords, isn't it?

@TheXanian 11 лет назад

Westerners always think that pigtail and cheongsam represents Chinese costume, but they are wrong. Pigtail and cheongsam are Manchurian costumes, not Han costumes.

@MrCocoRobot 12 лет назад

Everything you say is contrary to what is already described in museums all over China. Sanmei was invented pre Han Dynasty, pre BC era. They used it with bronze swords. Check out the Sword of Guojian, number one historical artifact PRC. Of course, Chinese foundries got better but that is in a much later age. Jeez, even steel from modern rail tracks are much better than those used in ancient and medieval swords.

@mojothemigo 11 лет назад

Don't go there. In Renaissance Europe, there was mass producing weapons and armor as well and much of it in fine quality. If by "local BS" you meant large centers of good armor and weapon making, then I apologize. Yes, a lot of it an individual soldier had to pay for it himself, but the price of weapons was coming down a lot and there were different types of armor with variable costs. There was a (black) market for European arms and armor in other countries since Charlemagne's time as well.

@VicariousReality7 12 лет назад

Why is there curved swords like dao and shamshir I seriously doubt they can cut better

@noobzaebot 14 лет назад

This is much better than kendo.

@XXXXXX-pu2tu 8 лет назад

ji xiao xin shu技校新书......... it looks me a while to realize what you were saying. if you cannot pronounce the chinese term correctly, please use subtitle.

@TheXanian 11 лет назад

I'm not ethnocentric but I have to say that Hanfu is the only authentic traditional costume for the Han Chinese ethnicity. Cheongsam is a Manchurian-style costume that was forced upon Han Chinese by Qing conquest. All the other minorities in China have their unique ethnic costume, therefore I think Han Chinese have the right to restore and to wear their ethnic Hanfu costume as well.

@sanke00001 12 лет назад

That's not entirely correct. While Ken (剣) can also be read Tsurugi, which was used to refer to a Chinese-style straight sword, 剣 really just refers to any type of sword, be it Japanese, Chinese, European, etc. In fact 'Ken' is just the Japanese say of pronouncing 'Jian'. So Kendo really is "The way of the sword", rather than Jian, which has the implications of a Chinese-designed sword.

@JohnSmith-il6kk 7 лет назад

Ji cut nice!

@BFX9000 12 лет назад

That's how foreigners speak Chinese. I don't think his "inaccurate" pronunciations will have any impact on the creditably of his information. Why do so many of us Chinese have to be such haters? =/

@Krummablod 12 лет назад

Well...I don't think the clothes origins are as important as a weapon's shape for a fight. You can't compare these two things. Also, I totally agree with the fact that you need to embrace all the history of China to learn it but you don't need to appreciate what happened in every dynasty. In some aspects, the Qing dynasty was a regression for the chinese civilisation (each dynasties had it's negative and positive point of course).

@TheXanian 11 лет назад

There are short versions of Hanfu, not all Hanfu are long and wide.

@scottsinclair1986 11 лет назад

Was a chinese longsword longer than a european longsword?

@XiangC6 11 лет назад

Yes I would agree that soldiers were generally badly treated and their lives was not well considered, due to the fact that China has almost always been a populated land. However, they were not always in the lowest rank in social system. Usually after the beginning of every dynasty, the acadamics and scholars starts to gain power, resulting less attentions payed to the military.

@ScarletWarior 12 лет назад

@noobzaebot Kendo is a modern fencing sport whereas this is an historical martial art. try looking up the difference between kendo and kenjutsu to see what i mean, kenjutsu here being a japanese historical martial art.

@陈萍-q8d 6 лет назад

崩挑砍(beng tiao kan) ，劈刺（pi ci）,劈压击（pi ya ji）,ji,横劈（heng pi）,挥（hui），sorry（shi）

@temmy9 11 лет назад

In what way?

@CCPJAYLPHAN1994 12 лет назад

Wow, not many people know that Japanese Kendo actually descended from the Chinese~ Look at this. It's just like the Katana or...should I say the Katana is just like these Daos...

@XiangC6 11 лет назад

As for the quality of weapons and armors, though the size of armies are often huge, the quality and quatity of armor and weapons remain high compared to most of other nations. The centralized government functioned much more effectively compare to other regimes which had loose control over many things, and this made china capable to mass produce armors and weapons to equip its army. soldiers and generals did not need to "afford" their gears. It's not europe where u buy ur own stuff from local BS

@volikoto 11 лет назад

thus, martial arts looks exactly like japanese two handed swordsmanship,so their history has connection?

@skyjuiceification 11 лет назад

i always thought their name for their land was nihon.

@ryddragyn 13 лет назад

@chibraxial Watching this, there is a lot of similarity to european longsword as well. The guard position at 6:08 is essentially the same as the "Ochs/Ox" guard in German longsword. The video repeatedly shows a "hanging guard" that can be derived from the ochs position, which used for simultaneous deflection and counterattack. It is very common in german+italian longsword and langes messer styles as well. As you say, common body mechanics. Humans across the globe are often equal sophisticated.

@sattros7829 4 года назад

The horse beheader

@PewPewPlasmagun 11 лет назад

poetry too? tang poetry is the best. and song too.

@Baihu108 4 года назад

Check out the new Steel Miaodao Swordplay Video- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-okgUdVX2qrk.html

@7dayspking 7 лет назад

The Chinese did not invent differential hardening, the Mongol army was *not* composed entirely of Cavalry, what a ridiculous notion. They had Heavy infantry and stationary artillery. Great video though.

@dongf2618 6 лет назад

Who developed differential hardening then?

@MrCocoRobot 12 лет назад

The Chinese originated the sanmei, clay based heat differential and folded metal techniques used to also make Katanas. They also used to the same techniques to make Daos, which from a millennia, had a long thin design. The Japanese learned the Chinese arts through Chinese and Korean swordsmiths and imported swords. Later, the Japanese began to differentiate their swords by curving. The Chinese retained a straight blade with a ring pommel; only after the Mongols did they start curving.