Buzzard doesn't have anti-Christian beliefs, just anti-High-Christological beliefs. It was heresy in the 15 century punishable by death, but I'm sure we are going to see and love those in Heaven with such wrong beliefs. We get to be wrong too, you know. No one is perfect...
You've heard of The Trinity Delusion? I let go of the trinity after months of dialogue with this guy. He's very knowledgeable. If you're superstitious you might think him the devil trying to undermine God but if you're open to spiritual insight I'd look into his website. I recommend you check out a video titled, 'The Secret of the Churches of Men' by RU-vidr David McMurdo. It deals with the Trinity. David is a very intelligent and articulate guy whose logic is undeniable.
+Willy T I've also had several months of dialogue with TD and found his views to be very problematic. I'm more than happy to demonstrate. Finally, his flawed creature theology fails to adequately deal with the problem of Pain and Suffering. ;-)
TheTrinityDelusion and I disagree on a few things but we agree on the Trinity. He's very logical and persuasive. If you deny this you're just being difficult. You can think him wrong but you can't know! You can only THINK he's wrong. My assessment of the evidence provided is that TheTrinityDelusion presents the most HONEST interpretation. There are no sinister motivations at work. I'd check Kel's website where his ideas are presented more thoroughly. Advocacy of the Trinity ALWAYS comes from a point of assumed correctness as the advocate thinks they're defending THE tenant of the faith. This in itself should make us pause as this belief is patently unbiblical and unspiritual.
Check my video Trinitarian God vs. Revelation. See to what extent the Trinity is rubbished as I present verse after verse that'd make the most hardened Trinitarian think, "maybe... maybe he has a point."
Love it! You've helped me gain new appreciation for scripture and the Christian faith. I've been looking for something deeper than what's usually on Christian radio , and you sparked it for me! Thank you.
I'm in the middle of a discussion about this very thing with another. And the problem is in that I share scripture to show Jesus at the right hand of God after many, many other texts! And He won't answer but proclaims that he is an Apostle? This is a real issue! They won't answer any texts by texts of scripture! Other than Act's 38 I think it was? But it frustrating to give exact example in scripture and yet there is no answer to scripture from scripture? Just a knowledge taught by man.... It's just as dangerous as Calvinism! And I'm the bad guy for saying so. Which I don't mind one bit! Where is the narrow gate? By man or by the word alone? UGH!
@@tech4life365 by whome? This is an old post but I'm still here saying the same thing. Most don't know what the trinity is? It's pretty simple when the bible says that we are built in the image of GOD. Mind, body and soul. A Trinity that makes us who we are. But faith is the only way to understand it. And it took me a very long time to get there.
@Bo Stephens jesus will be king of jehovahs kingdom for 1000 years then he hands it back to his father 1 Corinthians 15:24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.e 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. Trinitarians believe jesus hands the kingdom back to himself lol
@Bo Stephens they bieleve that jesus is almighty God and only one God so jesus hands it back to father and to hand something to someone else you need 2 persons
@Bo Stephens does that make sense to you? If jesus is God Then who is the father? If they teach that jesus is not the father then there 2 separate beings but Trinitarian try there best to beat around the bush and to say there not 2 separate but there all one God , bible is easy for us to understand that jesus worship the father, prayed to the father and ascended to the Father, jesus said the father is greater than I , it's people that interpret the bible wrong makes the whole bible confusing , jesus didnt come down from heaven to teach a confusing doctrine that people today still don't understand it, deuteronomy 6:4 Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah , bible says there's one True God jehovah and there's one Lord Jesus 1 corinthians 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him Jesus made it clear at john 17:3 .This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ, so to gain eternal life is to know Jehovah and jesus ,
Regarding the "Eternal Father" passage in Isaiah 9:6, I'd like to add that from the Hebrew it could also - or even more likely - be translated as the "Father of Eternity" meaning the one who possesses eternity. And who possesses eternity other than God? Anyways may you all be blessed and stay strong in faith.
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My friend if youve ever taken the time to study the history of just how the trinity doctrine came to be accepted by the church, you might change your mind! Just start with 'The council of Nicea 325ad'. Facts will make you think! To start with the council was conviened and influenced by a pagan emperor who had his own step son & wife murdered! It was held in his summer palace, not a church or Christian building. Some of those that advocated it were ex communicated. They argued, insulted each other, shouted e.t.c. When it was adopted, anyone not agreeing with it could be cruelly executed! So It goes on. Just read James 3:10-16 shows it could NOt have had God's blessing. The word 'trinity' 'father,son & holy ghost' are nowhere to be found in the bible. It is a false teaching and insults the ONE true Almighty God & offends Jesus whose whole purpose while on earth was to lead us to 'The Father' ( John 14:6.)
@@kiwihans100 Congratulations on replying to a 4 year old comment. No, the trinity was not invented at Niceaa and if you had done your research, you would know that IP has already done a video about that exact topic.
The problem is that it is easy just to cherry pick verses to suit your own narrative without examining the context and using it to justify your view, but it is harder to put the effort in to proving these people wrong. Thank you IP
Can I request a series on the reliability of the Old Testament? Some refutations of the JEDP theory, the DJP theory, etc. and the authorship of the Old Testament books
+InspiringPhilosophy Greetings! Would you please examine my question and confirm my understanding is correct? I thought the difference between 'adonai' and 'adoni' is the plural verses the singular, that 'ai' is added to the word to pluralize? To say adon, adoni, and adonai would be master, my master, and my masters, respectively?
Philippians 2:6-11 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form, he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal’s death on a cross. Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord, Okay did Paul not just call Jesus God, hold up? to the glory of God the Father.
Nice, I'm gonna link this video anytime anyone tries to cite Numbers 23 in support of the idea that God is not a man. 9:13 Uh oh, you had to pull out the false trump card of "context" though. What you don't realize is that you completely overlooked the argument Christ was making when referring to the scripture. Look at the sentence following his citation: _If he called them gods to whom the word of God came - and scripture can not be broken - do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, "You are blaspheming," because I said, "I am the Son of God?"_ What is the argument? Well, to start, he is countering the claim that he has committed blasphemy by calling himself the Son of God. He argues that if it is lawful for fallen, mortal men to be called "gods", then it must also be lawful for Jesus to call himself the Son of God. The implicit assumption is, of course, that a son of god is subordinate to a god. It must be lawful to call fallen, mortal men "gods", because God himself did so in scripture, and scripture must be valid. Therefore, it is lawful for Christ to call himself the Son of God. In other words, his basic argument is if it isn't blasphemy to call a man "god" (which it isn't since God himself did so and can not sin), then it certainly isn't blasphemy to call a man "son of god". Thus he refuted the charge of having broken the law by committing blasphemy.
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17
IP, I'm sure many have pointed this out already, but the vowel points of the Hebrew is off in this video. It looks like every vowel appears one character to the right of where it should be.
My 2 biggest issues with the trinity is... #1 Jesus worshiped and prayed to only one person #2 No angels acknowledge the holy spirit or Jesus as god, literally or contextual. In fact no angel refers to Jesus as lord not even once, I find that weird considering Jesus is supposed to be "lord of lords"
Because The Bible is The Word of GOD not word of angels or of an angel. Jesus prayed (communicanted) to The Father due to temporal human limitations. And angels not referring to Jesus as "LORD" is incorrect. Read book of revelations. Your false god and insistful HERESY is pitiful.
@@g--br1el985 Jesus not only prayed but worshiped the father as well (John 4:22-23) there is no scriptural evidence of Jesus worshipping or praying to the other members of the triune false godhead. Who do the angels refer to as lord in revelation 11:15? Thanks for the response even tho it didn’t respond to anything in my comment. EDIT I had the wrong chapter…
Please read the following verses: Exodus 20 : 1 through 3, Exodus 34 : 14, Luke 4 : 8, Revelations of St. John 22 : 9. Question Does the Bible allow anyone to be worshiped? Mathew 14 : 33, Luke 24 : 52 Hebrews 1 : 8 Question Did the apostles and angels sin in those verses by worshiping JESUS or did GOD not mean what he said in the previous verses?
@@Episcopalianacolyte did god sin by allowing David to be worshiped alongside him? 1 Chronicles 29:20, the context of worship that’s only for the most high is as god and not just as lord and king…
@aspreedacore read 1 Chronicles 20 : 29. David tells the assembly to "bless the LORD your GOD" and "the GOD of your fathers" How did you interpret the verse to say David was worshiped? I don't see it.
How about roasting the claim that the Trinity came from Philo of Alexandria. The Ante-Nicene Fathers took his teachings and applications of scripture and brought them into the Christian Church. Can you refute that?
InspiringPhilosophy Saw the video. You my friend are closer to the truth than what you think. The video does not promote a biblical Trinity, but more of a Babylonian one. Dr. Benjamin Sommer states "one God that manifests in three different ways." This my friend is not the Trinity, but Oneness. As a matter of fact, all your examples point to this. Now, in some cases you mix it up between true Jewish belief and occultic Jews, thus blurring the line of truth. Not all Jews believe the same as those who believe in "mysticism, the Talmud, Metatron, and Philo's three Powers." Now, at 9:00 you mention Philo and his ideas. You do not see the connection between Philo's teachings and those of the Ante-Nicene Fathers? Philo, it is true, was not Trinitarian, but he was a mystic. The Christian Trinity is the same as that of the mystical one. My book "Philo's Trinity" uncovers how the Ante-Nicene Fathers (Ignatius, Justin, Irenaeus, Clement, Origen, etc.) took from the writings of Philo, and gave the world a Christian Trinity.
4:50 this is an old video at this point, but i'd like to point something out regarding psalm 110. even if verse 1 is meant to be adoni, look at verse 5. here, the same Lord is adonay which is properly used to only refer to God. therefore, with verse 1 being adoni, psalm 110 would only support proper Christology of Jesus's deity and humanity.
Phillip was unconverted and not born again when he asked Jesus to show us the Father and it will suffice us.... Phillip was thinking with his carnal mind ....just like all carnal minded trinitarians....and was expecting to see the Father separate from Jesus.... And Jesus basically answered him that he would not see the Father as a separate person from him.... When you see Jesus...you are seeing the Father , son, and holy ghost
When I meditate on the mystery of Trinity, my heart fills with wonder and grandeour.. Words become silence.. May the blessing from God the Father, Grace and Love from our Lord Jesus Christ, and Communion and Peace with Holy Spirit fills our heart. Amen.. Holy.. Holy.. Holy.. YHWH the Most High...!
I appreciate the Semitic/near eastern face that you use for representing Jesus. It's a breath of fresh air to see a none European representation and an attempt at a more historically accurate face (though we don't know exactly what He looked like).
Not all Semites look like Arabs dude. That’s just your internalized racism. Levantines look like the average Greek or Italian. They don’t look like Arabs.
@@noelyanes2455 I never said Arab. There was a study done by geneticists and anthropologists to determine what the average person from 1st Century Judea and Galilee looked like. Their findings stated that the average person from these areas looked like the average person from Babylon (Iraq), which is olive-skinned and dark hair. These are prime characteristics of the Near Eastern people groups.
@@joyelias6975 yes and that study is wrong because the dna evidence they took came from the remains that date back to the medieval period. On top of that, Iraqis themselves are Semites but they are distinct ethnic groups from levantine and Arab Semites. The levantines did not look like Bedouins or arameans, or even copts for that matter. They are their own own distinct group and they are more closely related to Southern Europeans. So if anything, Jesus likely looked like a modern day Samaritan or Lebanese person.
@@noelyanes2455 And you would know this because you are an expert in DNA, anthropology, and Near Eastern studies; and you happen to have the DNA and archeological evidence. By the way, the Jewish history book (Genesis) is very clear that Abraham came from Ur which is in modern day Iraq, and he and his sons after him married people from the same family group. The Torah actually refers to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as Arameans. You're really pushing this Eurocentric thinking too far. The very book of the Jews tells you where they are from.
@@joyelias6975 and? Abraham may have been from Mesopotamia himself but the Canaanites who lived in the promised land before him certainly weren’t Sumerians. The Bible speaks about how the Israelites conquered and intermingled with the Canaanites. Their genetics were diluted. And yes, I have a degree in this.
"you are my son today i have begotten you" This guy says "it doesnt mean he was created he was just appointed". That makes absolutely no sense if you knew what the word begotten means
One of the strongest proofs, at least in my mind, that Jesus was God and the 2nd member of the trinity is found throughout the Gospels where the Jews and Pharisees try to stone and arrest Jesus for Blasphemy. I've often said that the Pharisees and Sadducees as well as the other Jews who tried to stone him knew PRECISELY what Jesus was trying to say. Also, when he defends himself as being God to the Pharisees, it's rarely if ever out of confusion, but because they're about to stone him and are accusing him of Blasphemy.
Can you comment on the following: Jesus prayed to God in Gethsemane if the cup could pass him, 3 times he asked God not to do it, then he said not my will but let your will be done, that suggest there is a difference in will. Matt 24 says no one on earth or heaven, not the angels and not even the Son know of that day, only the Father knows of that day, this suggest there is a difference in knowlegde. So how can this be if the are the same person? Thanks in advance!
human nature shrinks back from death because it's not made for death. He was perfect God, but He was also perfect man. The two natures never worked against each other because they were both His, but just as He hungered and thirsted and got tired and slept, so he also shrank from death.
Can you do a video Jesus saying we will do greater things than he did? I am asking for understanding, not debate. We are created in the trinity likeness and we are his temple, how can we not be God? Of course, submitting to Father's authority.
The argument about Psalms 2:7 is problematic to the trinity. If you understand begotten as created Jesus isn't God because it's not eternal. But if you understand it as an appointment it means that Jesus is not fully God because he need an appointment, and God doesn't need anything from anyone, less so being invested in power from others. In 1 Cor 8:6. What about the difference in "from whom" and "through whom" and saying the exact same phrase? It's making a difference, God as the origin and Jesus as the medium (not in a modalist sense). Hebrews 1:8-12, again, God needs to be anointed?
At the psalms 110 (109 Hebrew) we see 3 Lords. One Lord who sits at the right hand of another and a 3rd Lord who sits at the right hand of the 1st Lord. So we see God Father and at his right hand the Son and at the right hand of the Son the Holy Spirit. Whole old testament is full of the Holy Trinity verses, even at Genesis 1.1-3 We see God Father creates the Heaven and the earth, Holy Spirit hovereds over creation in creative power and equality with the Father. He co-created with the Father and the Son (as the Word of God) made the light with creative power and equality with the Father, He also co-created with the Father and the Spirit.
What would you say about the lack of definitive article in John 1:1? I've seen unitarians claim that the lack of definitive article when saying the Word was God means Jesus was divine and not God as in YHWY.
In fact, the lack of an article in the Greek language means that it is about different Persons, if there was an article, the Word would be the same Person as the Father, so Jehovah's witnesses completely misunderstood this.
Can/have you make/made a video defending the existence of the Devil. The objection given to me is that the Angel sent to Abraham, Job, Balaam, and Jesus are all there in obedience to God, and that Ha-satan is the translation.
***** Neither did I. Recently talked to someone who believes the NT, rejects the OT, and claims the Christians have a mistranslated OT (w/o giving the 'correct' translation). He believes that Jesus rejected God because He disobeyed Satan in the Wilderness, who became His master because the spirit led Him and He allowed Satan to test/tempt him.
That doesn't make any sense. Jesus said He was sent by the father and came to fulfill the law. There is no reason to even remotely accept that. It is cherry picking at best.
I've actually come to think Psalm 2 is not so Messianic. Revelation 2-3 defined "ruling the Nations with a Rod of Iron" as a Promise to Believers. This Psalm is probably just David speaking in the first person. And the use of this Psalm in Acts 13 is consistent with when you get right down to it. Paul's context was Promises God made to Believers in the Hebrew Bible.
Hi, i would like to hear how you refute the snubbing of the Holy Spirit in Paul's salutations. And where is the Holy Spriit at the great white throne of God? Why is he not mentioned in revelation?
We don't know, we can't read his intentions but it doesn't change the ontology of the Holy Spirit found in scripture. To say argue this is evidence of something would be an argument from silence.
The LORD Jesus and the father are one. For it is the father who works threw the flesh and the answer you seek is when Philip asked the LORD Jesus show us the father. The LORD Jesus is the visual image of the invisible GOD. LORD Jesus is The word at the beginning, one with GOD the LORD most high.
Begetting does not mean "a special appointment." That's a myth. And Acts 13:30-33 tells us Jesus was begotten when God raised him from the dead. Concerning Adonai/Adoni, can you tell us how you know that Jesus is Adonai but David was only Adoni? Let me guess - you will cherry pick what suits you. And your Bible tells you that Psalm 110:1 was fulfilled when God raised Jesus from the dead and made him Lord (Acts 2:33-36). Concerning Isaiah 9:6, why didn't you listen to Jesus when he taught you that "ONE is your Father." He taught us that we have ONE not two or three. And who is Deut 32:6 talking about? If you actually did your homework, you would find that Micah 5:2 is referring to the Messiah's ancient ancestral origins in Bethlehem (i.e. David's home). But somehow you are seeing something which is not there. Shall I continue?
Yet you think begotten means to come into existence even though we have Acts 13:30-33? No, I looked at the textual evidence of Adonai/Adoni. Do you have evidence of the word Adoni existing prior to the introduction of Hebrew vowels? Where is it in the LXX? Concerning Isaiah 9:6, this is a red herring. No Trinitarians doubts we have one Father (autotheos). Can you show the word in Micah 5:2 actually means origin? You're completely missing the point.
Its worth mentioning that following the council of Nicea 325AD the matter of the 'trinity' was by no means settled once for all! For a number of CENTURIES the nature of Christ's divinity' was hotly debated and only accepted as 'orthodox' by the direct intervention of succeeding Roman emperors who invariably used the power of the sword & spear to enforce its position as the 'official' teaching of a very secularised & wordly 'church'. Jesus said "by their fruits you will recognise them". Many have died an excruciating death for merely questioning this unbiblical doctrine! "My Kingdom is no part of this world" Jesus our Lord said!
@@InspiringPhilosophy Huh, well I'm a former Hybrid view supporter who made this explanation of why I abandoned that view. solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-nephilim-and-sons-of-god.html
I have been wondering, why did God not give Adam and Eve the messiah right after they sinned? And instead of having God give his message to the prophets, couldn't God come down as Jesus to give his word?
thanks, current schedule for this year is: - Supposed Bible Contradiction 11 - Did the Story of Jesus develop over Time? - Jesus vs. Serapis - Easter is not Pagan - Supposed Bible Contradiction 12 - Refuting Skeptics of Logic - Supposed Biblical Error 6 - Metaethics: An Introduction - Moral Realism: Defined - Moral Realism: Defended - Supposed Bible Contradiction 13 - The Moral Argument - Supposed Bible Contradiction 14 - A Critique of Non-Cognitivism - Jesus vs. Attis - A Critique of Moral Relativism - Supposed Biblical Error 7 - Is Evolution the Enemy? - Jesus vs. Osiris - Evolution and the Image of God - Jesus vs. Zoroaster
I’m 53 and neglected reading the Bible being consumed with self and material things. Having been a avid reader, reading many books, I finally realized that it was important. How could I converse re- the Bible and religions not having read it and knowing only what a child might know my point is that having not been influenced by others I came to the conclusion that Jesus was not equal to God, common sense seemed to point that way. The gate will be narrow to life and few will find it seemed among other passages to support my thoughts. Having watched, studied and attended differing denominations the Trinity claim is confusing and the 2nd and 3rd Century histories wrangling over the issue seemed also to support this unequal essence. I guess I’m wondering if anyone has an answer to the best way to finally determine who’s who Thanks for you all doing these videos but I can’t figure who coming and going. Bible mentions knowing by the fruits of there labor. If so then maybe the Jehovah folk are right because they appear to at least put in the works, not like some of the evangelical preachers in there billion dollar jets
The issue of the vowel pointing probably comes down to what the Septuagint translated in 2 BC as the meaning. Even in context of trinity..the father is ruler . but does not make Jesus lesser GOD.
+InspiringPhilosophy So, if I understand the Trinity correctly, it's: God x Jesus Christ x Holy Spirit= God. ( 1 x 1 x 1= 1). In this comment, I'll not adress whether or not the concept of God being multiple persons is illogical, rather I'll talk about the necessity of the Holy Spirit. How would the Holy Spirit be necessary when God (the mental) and Jesus (the physical) are already there. We only know of the mental and the physical as the two fundamental substances. Or is there more than the 'mental' and 'physical' which you can tell me of?
Mathematical analogies are bad. There are far more better. Like "Father is the Mind who eternally begets Son-Imagination and with him he proceeds Spirit-Mental picture". Why is Spirit necessary? For God is a) self sufficient i.e. doesn't need anything beside himself and b) Perfect Love. If he was only two persons his eternal love would be exclusive. Three persons make it inclusive and thus perfect. Fofth person wouldn't add anything to it and since there is nothing not neseccery in God, God is Triune. You may want to read "De trinitate" from Richard of Saint Victor.
The thing is, when theists speak about the spirit/soul/mind, they are essentially speaking about the same thing ( hence why I slashed the three of them). My point is, that the Holy Spirit is unnessary because God Himself is Holy AND he is THE Spirit/Mind/Soul. Therefore, a Duality would make more sense than the Trinity. With God ( Mind/Spirit/Soul ) and Jesus Christ ( Physical). If you don't agree with me on theists saying Mind/Spirit/Soul are the same thing, just ask InspiringPhilosophy and Johanan Raatz. They see the Mind as an entity (seperate from the brain).
When did theists say mind/spirit/soul are the same thing? Although some may indeed view them as being equal, its not a theological position from what i now. The exact nature on souls/spirits are a little vague in terms of their experiences, so i'm not sure this agreement as to their nature.
If you wanted to use a mathematical analogy, it would be more like G = p1 * p2 * p3 where G is God and the subsequent letters are the different persons of the Trinity. The reason variables are necessary is because G and pn are different categories. Whereas pn is a person, G is the being which is each p. As for specifics like whether to use a plus vs the asterisk, or things of that nature, I'm sure someone could come up with a much better mathematical description than I can. Again, the reasoning is that the bible demonstrates 3 divine figures with distinct personhood in equal category, and a singular being called YHWH whose name is given to all three of the aforementioned persons. Because this name belongs to a personal being yet it belongs also to 3 other persons we can deduce that YHWH is a higher category of existence. For your question about Holy Spirit's necessity, there's a couple things you misunderstand. For example, in Trinitarian doctrine, the Holy Spirit is not an extra person because it simply sounds pretty and it is not unnecessary by any means. The doctrine of the Holy Spirit's distinct personhood is in the Trinity solely because the bible deems it necessary. You can refer to IP's other videos on the Trinity where he talks about where the bible requires us to believe that the Holy Spirit is indeed personal and distinct from the Father and the Son. To cite a passage you can read John 14 and 15 in regards to this topics to get you started. The other mistake you make is that you distinguish the Father and the Son as mental and physical parts of the same being respectively when this is incorrect. It sounds like you might be a Oneness Pentecostal. If that's right, don't worry I used to be as well so I won't flame you :) (if not, that's no problem either). It just helps me understand how to respond to you. So what you sound like you understand is that Jesus Christ came into existence 2000 years ago when the Father inhabited the body of a man, or became a man (depending on who you ask) because you say God (I'm assuming you mean the Father) is the mental (or Spiritual) aspect of God/Jesus Christ and Jesus (the Son) is the physical aspect of God/Jesus. Firstly, you need to understand that the Son(or Jesus) and the Father are two distinct figures (they are not each other). The Father is not the Spiritual aspect of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Son of God who came from His Divine place in heaven at the right hand of the Father to become a man like us and give His life for us on the cross. This can be seen in various places places throughout the bible whether you look in the Old Testament (Psalm 2, 110, Isaiah is an oasis on this topic, etc...) or the New Testament (John 1:1-18, 3, 8, 14, 15, 16, Philippians 2:5-8, and many more). A lot of the listed verses not only show the distinction of the Son and the Father but also the fact that they are both this one being God/YHWH. So what you need to discern then is what the bible says about the Holy Spirit. Does it indeed point to the HS being another distinct person who is also called God. You'll find that the evidence points towards the affirmative. Again, you can refer to IP's other videos on the topic or start off in John 14,15. So if the bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is distinct from the Father and the Son and is also God, then it is of necessity that our doctrine teach that. Lastly, responding to your answer to MCMasterBro, the Trinity doctrine doesn't try to parallel the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to Spirit, Soul, and Mind. God/YHWH is the singular spiritual being. The Father is God, therefore he is spirit. The Son is God, therefore he is spirit. The Holy Spirit is God, therefore he is spirit. All three of three of these persons are spirit in essence. One of those persons, the Son, was incarnate 2000 years ago and became a man (Jesus the Messiah), taking on a new nature which he didn't have before, which is human. So you can't separate Jesus from God as two different beings, but you can say Jesus and the Father are two different persons. The key is the categorical distinction of being vs person, where God is a multipersonal being, and not simply a distinction of nature (humanity vs divinity). The former describes the Trinity, the latter describes the Incarnation. Hope I've not been been too complicated. God bless!
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I'll definitely read those Bible passages you told me about and the videos you referred me to. Now, on to your comment, I did not say Jesus Christ and God are seperate beings. I just said Jesus Christ is the physical manifestation of God, yet he is still God. Similar to water; it's solid form is ice, it's liquid form is water and you also have it as vapour. Yet, all of these 3 states/conditions/ of water are still referred to as water. Now, regarding the necessity of the Holy Spirit, I see that you also gave some Bible passages in support to it. However, my point wasn't really whether the Holy Spirit is necessary according to the Bible. It's just that I've seen IP and many others talk about the quantity not being important in the doctrine of the Trinity ( to try to point out if it's illogical or not). It's just that in the Bible itself, God says he is a Spirit/Soul/Mind Himself. So, while Jesus Christ and God are not different beings (and both still are God) , they are different persons. This makes sense (and is important to us, mankind), since you have God, as two different persons. With Jesus Christ, as God Himself ( but then as a physical manifestation of God), mankind was able to see, hear, feel what God's 'omni's' is like with our very own eyes, ears and hands. For example, Jesus Christ rising people from the dead, curing diseases (which were thought to be uncurable). However, with the Holy Spirit, I really don't see it's necessity. Also, could it be true that the doctrine of the Trinity has been borrowed from Hinduism? With Brahman, Shiva and Vishnu all being God, yet still not be seperate beings ( but seperate persons). God bless,
although I agree with the premise of this video, I disagree with the interpretation of Ps 82. the context is not talking about human judges, but making reference to the divine council who were also called gods in scripture.
I don't agree, here is what James White says, ""Here we have the key to the passage, for this is a psalm of judgment against the rulers of Israel. God takes his stand in His own congregation, that being His own people, Israel. He judges in the midst of the “rulers.” The Hebrew term here is “elohim,” which could be translated “gods.” The NASB however, recognizes that the context indicates who is being discussed, for the next verse reads, “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked.” Who judges unjustly and shows partiality? Human judges, of course, human rulers amongst the people. Hence, the NASB rendering of “elohim” as “rulers.” It is important to recognize the use of the term elohim in verse 1, for the very same term appears in verse 6, and is what lies behind Jesus’ citation in John 10:34. Before moving on in the text, it should be noted that even at this point recognizing that this passage is talking about unjust human rulers removes this passage from the realm of possible passages to cite in support of a plurality of gods, and certainly, Jesus was not, by citing this passage, calling His accusers true divine beings.""
I love your videos Inspiring Philosophy but you are just wrong when it comes to psalm 82. The passage is clearly talking not about men but about gods or divine beings. It is a divine council scene. Noted biblical scholar Michael Heiser has an excellent book out called "The Unseen Realm" that goes into detail on this. There's also plenty of peer reviewed literature on the subject.
That is part of the setup, God sits among his council and proclaims about the judges on earth. The passage doesn't say he is talking about the divine council, that is where He is at when He declares this judgement
InspiringPhilosophy go to thedivincecouncil.com and click on the 5th article titled "the plural of Elohim of psalm82, academic". I think you'd appreciate it.
InspiringPhilosophy Unfortunately your explanation doesn't quite work. The fact of the matter is that the passage clearly calls the beings he's talking to gods and sons of the most high. There is no indication they're human. Furthermore, Yahweh condemns them to die like men. If the people he was referring to were already men then this punishment makes no sense. It makes more sense that these were divine beings who God was condemning to die like mortals. Finally, we know from studies of both the Bible and related literature that the Jews did believe in the existence of other gods even though they considered Yahweh to be in a class all His own. I'm pretty sure you're familiar with this research on ancient monotheism since I heard you allude to it in a podcast which is why I'm so confused that you don't know about psalm 82.
IP your work has been a veritable God send in my life, and I can't thank you enough for your hard work, though even I have to point out that the simplest reading is that he's judging the gods themselves. It has precedent in other passages like Exodus 12:12, "On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD." He's judging the sons of God he appointed to the other nations, as in Deuteronomy 32:8-9. These are the principalities and powers or demons Paul speaks of as being defeated by the cross, and the final verse of Psalm 82 "arise O Lord and reclaim the nations" is prophesying the conquest of the Kingdom of God over the other nations gods, and some scholars like David Burnett have connected the word "arise" to the resurrection of Christ. There's also that odd passage about the prince of Persia in Dan 10:3 that speaks of spritual beings as being rulers over certain nations. When Jesus quotes Psalm 82, he's saying, "Your own scripture speaks about other sons of God, so why do you take issue if I call myself the son of God. But I'm not just any god, but I'm the god/elohim who presides over the council, because I am in my Father and my Father is in me. But if you don't believe my words, believe because of the works I do." As others have said, look at Michael Heiser's work. He's a top notch scholar who solidly shows the Trinity is in the OT, but his interpretation of Psalm 82 is that the God of Israel is judging the other nations gods, his sons which he later replaces with believers, hence why John's Gospel makes a point about believers becoming "sons of God," why Paul calls believers "holy ones," Daniel speaks of those resurrected as shining like the stars/celestial beings, and why Jesus said that those worthy of the Resurrection will be like the angels. This divine council/judgement theology is crucial for making sense of the NT, IP. Anyways thanks for all the work IP, I pray you don't take this the wrong way. We really *do* appreciate your work, brother
In that debate with Buzzard, White and Brown, Buzzard didn't know his Old Testament. He knew little to nothing about the "Angel of The LORD" ,"Word of The LORD" etc.. He knew nothing about "Name Theology" and God's Presence. White knew a lot more than Buzzard, about the Old Testament, in fact Brown was the only one there who one could say, "owned the Old Testament". Buzzard only knew select passages in the OT, that dealt with the Angel of The LORD, that he could twist into his weird distorted view. I only say this because the Old Testament is chuck full of contexts of a second Yahweh-God figure, that Jesus fit so perfectly into, that the Jews of the first century had to ban the belief in this second Yahweh figure, thus it became heresy and believers like Buzzard bought hook, line and sinker...
Brother Chris rco You said " I only say this because the Old Testament is chuck full of contexts of a second Yahweh-God figure, that Jesus fit so perfectly into,"that the Jews of the first century had to ban the belief in this second Yahweh figure, " Where is your proof of this?
@@TheCaledonianBoy Look it up you may learn something. Here's a hint. Peer review scholars conceal such information in peer review papers not on RU-vid or the internet...
@@brotherchrisrco1125 I am a bit long in the tooth to accept a "dare". It is clear that you have nothing here. If you do come up with some obscure rogue account let me know.
And how does it roll up like a garment. Or a scroll. Because there's a firmament a vault a dome over our head. Were God placed the Sun the moon and the stars on the 4th day. What's gonna roll up in a million mile billion mile expanse of space? How's that gonna happen on a globe? Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as molten looking glass. Job37:18. The Heavens declare God's Glory and the Firmament shewth his handiwork. Psalm 19:1. Which by the way is on Werner von Braun's grave stone. Things that make you go hummmm. You also read a passage about us becoming Jesus' footstool. Now would you have a spinning footstool? God's throne is straight above us above the dome above the North Star that never moves. Everything circles around us on the flat plain. It's as plain as Day. Go the ocean, and when the ship goes out of your sight range, get your binoculars or a telescope, camera and focus back in on it. It didn't go over a curve, it went out of your sight. Sorry Bill Nye the liar guy. May the Grace and Truth of Christ Jesus be with you all.
Four questions. Why can't people in the northern hemisphere see certain stars and people in the southern hemisphere can't see certain stars? How do explain different seasons in different in the two hemispheres? Why is there winter in the northern hemisphere and summer in the southern hemisphere? Why can an airplane fly "over" the Pacific Ocean? Why can an airplane fly "over" Antarctica?
In psalms 82 if you read the text it has lowercase "gods" meaning that they are not as powerful and great as Yahweh so the text is not emplying polytheism but rather they were powerful angels that were called "gods" because of their great power however they were not as powerful as Yahweh since they were still created by Yahweh. Yahweh has infinite power whereas the "gods" are finite in power.
Would you like to have a discussion on the truth of a certain religion after accepting the existence of God? I don't know much about Christianity's arguments for the religion itself, and the only one I have heard is the historical argument. I would like to present my case for Islam to you.
We have the resurrection argument. I've heard the arguments from islam and they always come across as appeals to emotion or non-sequiturs. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--ErnJF_nwBk.html
@@InspiringPhilosophy But I (a Muslim) find that the notion of strict monotheism to be more logical than the trinity. It has nothing to do with emotion.
Great video, IP! However, I think the analogy should be "I am not an UNFAITHFUL husband, that I should cheat." You're not saying that you AREN'T a husband, or even that you COULDN'T be a husband, only that cheating is not in your nature. Just as the NATURE of man is to lie, the NATURE of an unfaithful husband is to cheat. But if God WERE a man, or were to BECOME a man, He would NOT lie, because lying is not in His nature. By analogy, if you WERE a husband, or BECAME a husband, you would NOT be unfaithful because cheating is not in your nature. Numbers 23;19 is saying that God is not MERELY a man. Any interpretation of the text to mean that God can not BECOME a man is tantamount to saying that God cannot enter into His own creation. Imagine if the Israelites had said to Moses, "God is not a bush, that He should burn, not be consumed, and talk to strangers" in response to the events of Exodus 3! ;-) Keep up the great work, IP. God Bless!
This was really boring. But I know that I will, at some point, encounter someone with these objections and will be able to use this video. At that moment I will be excited. So the future me thanks you for this.
***** So why are you objecting to the doctrine of the Trinity? This series is meant to help against cults that deny the Trinity not atheists that don't believe in a God to begin with. The traits of God is in short that God is perfect. Which means that He could not become greater. He is all-powerful, all-good, all-wise, all-knowing. There is nothing He did not create and nothing that can exist outside of Him. He has always been and always will.
***** LOL Those aren't Christians. Don't know if you are aware but just because someone believes in God doesn't mean they are a Christian. All = not lacking any.
distorting the verses: numbers 23:19 God is not a man or a son of man Jesus explains what God is : John 4:24 KJV - God is a SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. the greatest proof is that Jesus preached he has a God and that Jesus was returning back to God. for those with understanding; he also called himself son OF God , the word OF is very important to read.
7:49 - even if it did mean origin, I think that given that this is a prophecy concerning the messiah's birth in Bethlehem, we could easily just say that it's referring to the birth of the human messiah. This is compatible with the belief in the Trinity and the Incarnation for while The Logos existed from eternity past, the human body of Jesus had a beginning in the womb of Mary. So he "comes forth" or has his origin in the town of Bethlehem. So you could concede the point and it still doesn't imply that Jesus isn't God.
Cerebral Faith Video “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.” NIV The "origin" part is clearly speaking of before his birth at Bethlehem, "from of old"
only thing that I'm taking from this is that the scriptures are ambiguous, given the fact that the same verses are used to argue for exact opposite positions. It really seems the writers were even more clueless about the nature of God than we are...
I do not see why Jesus can't be God if He was "begotten" at a specific "today" in the past. I think YHWH "begat" Jesus (not "created" Him) in somewhat the same way we "beget" children rather than "creating" them ourselves. Note that we can only "beget" beings ontologically equal to ourselves (other humans). Perhaps, likewise, God cannot "create" another Divine Being ontologically equal to Himself, but He can beget one (Jesus). Jesus coming into existence at a "today" in the finite past doesn't reduce His divinity or His unique relationship to YWHW.
Greg: That's interesting, but *if* true the word is misleading, Jesus was not "begotten", He was "incarnated" and it was by the HS and not by the Father. "Today I have begotten you" was spoken by the HS.
Greg: That's interesting, but if true the word is misleading, Jesus was not "begotten", He was "incarnated" and it was by the HS and not by the Father. "Today I have begotten you" must have been spoken by the HS.
Good morning brother - I thought I posted here last night but It did take for whatever reason. When "begotten" is used in the NT - it's a quoting of the OT prophecies about the Messiah, meaning the Messiah taking a human form as a man here on earth. It's applied in the NT physically and spiritually. I encourage you to read those OT passages and live that rich blessing knowing that Jesus died for our sins. "Begotten" is the English translation and was the greek translation from Hebrews, it doesn't mean created.
Paul didn't say "whe have only one God and one lord" but "we have one God *the father*and one lord Jesus" 2)kuryos is ADONAY(God)and ADONY(human master!). God never calld Adony(or *my* lord in the septuagint) 3)What about the holly spirit/ghost"?!
Nehemia Gordon a expert who worked on the dead sea scrolls and studied the most revered text in Israel has found in bomb proof vault vow points in certain spots of the texts of the name of the almighty that it seem the writer slipped in due too not being allowed to speak of spell the name of the All mighty and it comes out as Yah-ho-vaw if I got it write and he shows the evidence from these texts and why.
Psalm 110 in septuagint. "The LORD says to my lord" in the septuagint the word Adonay is never transalated as "My lord"!! "My lord" in the Sept' is allways a translation to adony!
You misunderstood acts 13 and so misdefined gennaw (to beget). It DOES mean to bring into existence. Thats what it means in greek and english. Check the respective dictionaries and See ff bruces commentary on acts for the right info there
InspiringPhilosophy you completely ignored my point. Jesus is NOT being begotten at the resurrection and I cited FF Bruce to back that up, certainly a trinitarian and Biblical authority in the field.
InspiringPhilosophy he doesn't. Why didn't you look at what I posted? FF Bruce shows in his commentary that isn't what's meant. Check that out. I can post it for you if you need me to.
Actually beget means to bring about. If the trinity came into existence at the same time because of its nature then each member begat each other member because under that interpretation they caused one another to come into existence. Another form would be similar to DID( dissasociative identity disorder) where there is my original mind but for whatever reason ( trauma, progress ect. In the case if DID) another me was brought into existence. The original me begat this new one which is still technically me but didn't exactly begin to exist because of the fact that it is still me. ( I know it's confusing but it's an extraordinary difficult concept to attempt to fully explain) so Christ could be begotten without beginning to exist. Or it could be that this entire passage is only talking about him being physically brought into being/begotten by the father because previously he had no physical form.
Happily this thread is only 'online' refuting! right up to 1830AD and for over a 1000 years if you or I 'refuted' the trinity we would have been tied to a stake and slowly burnt to death! while robed priests chanted the 'trinity' around the cruelist of inhumanity to man conceivable! As they died you could just hear them call to God the Almighty Creator "In the name of Jesus your dear son, forgive them for their error!"
Revelation 1;8 ....jesus said i am he which is(The Son)....i am he which was(the Father)....and i am he which shall come (the holy ghost)....the almighty God
You should do a vid on the Gospel authors. It seems to be suggested the authors weren't who they were. Especially by some scholars. Also did Jesus really call himself God? Burt Ehrman says he didn't
The Holy Ghost is the Spirit of the Father. The Spirit of Truth is the Spirit of the Son. If the Lord says He is the Way the TRUTH and the Life how could the Spirit of Truth be anything other than the Spirit of Jesus? This is why Christianity has so much division, because they are in error over who the Spirit of Truth is. The Holy Ghost or Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the way he communicates to us, if the Holy Spirit is a separate co-equal member of a triune Godhead why do the Scriptures refer to the Holy Spirit as a helper and never as a seperate member of the Godhead? John 8:12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life." John 8:13 So the Pharisees said to Him, "You are testifying about Yourself; Your testimony is not true." John 8:14 Jesus answered and said to them, "Even if I testify about Myself, My testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from or where I am going. John 8:15 You judge according to the flesh; I am not judging anyone. John 8:16 But even if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone in it, but I and the Father who sent Me. John 8:17 Even in your law it has been written that the testimony of two men is true. John 8:18 I am He who testifies about Myself, and the Father who sent Me testifies about Me." 2 witnesses mentioned not 3, John 17:1 Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, John 17:2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. John 17:3 This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. Eternal life is to know our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ whom He sent no mention of the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is part of and is The Spirit of our Heavenly Father and think not to say to yourself but the scriptures say when Jesus was baptised the Holy Spirit descended as a dove and the Father spoke from heaven therefore Trinity, have you read the descriptions of the appearance of God? Countenance like the Sun with fiery streams issuing from the throne? God the Father has unimaginable power for nothing is impossible with God why do you all count it a strange thing that he can send forth a form of himself and project his personality while remaining in his place? We can do that with mobile phones to a limited extent but know rather than give all Glory to our Heavenly Father we have to make up another member of the Godhead to share the Glory. Matthew 10:17 But beware of men, for they will hand you over to the courts and scourge you in their synagogues; Matthew 10:18 and you will even be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. Matthew 10:19 But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say. Matthew 10:20 For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. Mark 13:9 "But be on your guard; for they will deliver you to the courts, and you will be flogged in the synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them. Mark 13:10 The gospel must first be preached to all the nations. Mark 13:11 When they arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and not in independent member of the Godhead. John 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. John 14:11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves. John 14:12 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father. John 14:13 Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. John 14:14 If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. John 14:15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. Role of the Spirit John 14:16 I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; John 14:17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. John 14:18 "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Lord Jesus after telling the Apostles he was the Truth then promised the Spirit of Truth saying I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU ORPHANS I WILL COME TO YOU. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. John 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. Lord Jesus is the Word of God with is Truth. John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. John 17:18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. John 17:19 For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. No error in translation but plenty of gross error in interpretation, and think not to say to yourself but the scriptures say the Spirit of Truth proceeds from the Father it is written, Galatians 4:3 So also we, while we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental things of the world. Galatians 4:4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, Galatians 4:5 so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. Galatians 4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" Romans 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. Romans 8:10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. So one requires the Spirit of our Saviour and the Spirit of he who raised Jesus from the dead, two members of the Godhead both able to project their Spirits to make us on through Yeshua (Jesus) therefore John 17:20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; John 17:21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. Their Future Glory John 17:22 The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; John 17:23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. Oneness with the Father Access to the Holy Ghost is through Jesus the Lord for it is written that he will baptise us with the Holy Spirit and Fire it is also written Luke 10:22 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. " If the entire Christian doesn’t understand who the Spirit of Truth is they have effectively rejected the Son and coveted the Spirit of the Father giving lip service to the Son but inventing an extra member of God to bypass the Spirit of Truth and the the Spirit of the Father, little wonder that there is so much division in the religious institutions and we know what the Lord says about divided Kingdoms. Note; any questions are rhetorical and it is not my custom to read replies.
Jesus is the Only Living God. How many believe or disbelieve, it's not a opinion poll, but a fact irrespective of whether you agree or no, like it or no, accept it or no. Truth cannot change to make it acceptable to some. Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Life. Love you Jesus.
