REGISTERING AN EBIKE AS A MOTORCYCLE | UK MSVA TEST PART 1 

But you have to realize that just because you've swapped gas for electric, you're still riding around a moped, no matter the change in conventional form factor. MOtor PEDal. Operating in this type of legal grey while continuing to push the limits of power and speed is what's irresponsible. Why _shouldn't_ electric bikes of, say, 1001 watt of total power and above be considered a moped? You can do 30-40mph on say, a Cyclone 3000W system. And let's face it, _most_ electric bike installations are in the 350-500-750W range. Maybe a 1000W hub equivalent.

Just like combustion motor powered bikes the government likes to regulate anything over 50cc it would have to be for off road only, or meet street requirements and be steet titled and registered. Iam pretty sure as electric powered vehicles become more common then combustion powered vehicles they will find a way to regulate

Agree mate, very right values. thanks for support and so on .....

Thats what I saw thinking

gymkhanadog.....Just keep on obeying the law like a good little drone while us ebike rebels stick 2 fingers up to you and laugh our asses off at you idiots spending a fortune on gas, tax, insurance and MOT. Your just a sad, jealous and bitter fool who is more into rules, regulations and laws than living on the edge and having FUN. ( do u remember FUN fuck-witt)

I did the opposite, my first motorbike was electric and my thoughts are that: - You mention being done with tax. Taxing an electric motorbike is free. You literally go online, type in your reg and the number off your license and click done. Whole process takes like a minute. It's so easy. - MOT, I wouldn't know. My bike won't be in for it for another 2 years. Though I don't think it's that expensive and it takes no time at all. A properly maintained bike will pass every time. - Insurance fucking sucks. Less than 5% of the underwriters even gave me a quote and they're outrageous.

i love you ...thease sack less sheeple should chocke on their licence plates...after the shoot them selves

@@Hirotoro4692 you will need tax eventually, that's money the government are missing out on,they've already done it for new hybrids that were once free. Mot you will need after 3 years of registration,and insurance you will need if it's registered ,side note even a push bike you should have insurance because even if it's not your fault you will have costs to cover if they take you to court,many many thousands of pounds..liability insurance. And soon electric will have duty slapped on to make up for the fuel duty,the unfortunate people that already struggle with eating or heating will suffer so much more from it:( i personally have a licence insurance and tax for my car so i definitely won't be doing it all for a second time for a electric bike of any sort,riding it free at my own risk. Had enough of being bent over

I agree.

use the Tusk lighting system it's pre wired and you won't have to take the bike apart

+Richard Naylor good stuff, something I've been thinking about it, this complete road legal build I am working on could eventually be offered. It won't be cheap but it's infinitely better than a crappy moped/scooter. We should talk. Blue, white and black will likely be the throttle. White is ground, blue is 5V and black is the throttle sensor. The other 3 will be the 3 position, I would put a meter on them to figure out what poles of the switch they are connected to.

+Solar Function hi, they were from eBay and they are motorcycle indicators but they are very small, I think they were for a triumph motorcycle.

+Grumpy Biker that's interesting, thanks!

+Daniel Booth hi, that motor you have is probably more than up to the job for short power bursts and the secret to increasing the bottom end power is to increase the amps at your controller. To make it pull away like a demon you really need to pull in excess of 100A. To give you an idea I'm running 84V and 180A and my controller allows 350A phase current. That's about 14kW of power after losses and battery voltage drop.

But have only met the testing station guys at the side of the road you have one image of them but actually they are great guys and are always willing to help.

+Daniel Booth if the CA is setup to limit the throttle based on current then yes you could try to increase the amps a bit.

+The Quadfather hey mate, nice to hear from you. Sucks about your bike, if people aren't helping you because it's an import that sounds like an excuse because they don't understand it to be honest, send me an email (above in description) and I'll see what I can do.

It's called bikesure 👍🏻

@@andykirby thanks buddy

+shaneweightman precisely and then everyone will come flocking here to find out how to make their bikes legal OR just be a pack of sheep and give up or even worse just buy a gas guzzler!! Ewww

you can peddel 45 mph ass tard fuck head!

+shaneweightman hi, actually according to the manual a moped is a 2 wheeled vehicle with an engine no larger than 50cc and a max speed of 28mph. If it's electric then you are allowed 4kW, this is where it gets interesting because 4kW on a 40kg bike has motorbike like acceleration and will outperform any moped. I am restricting mine to 4kW and registering it as moped. I also have the moped entitlement on my licence.

the uk can eat my shit......

Try pull me over on a push bike 😂 no chance I'm on paths and gone

I best put my balls back in and slow the fuck down, funs over now.

+Sovereign Man both.

They're different things.

StealthyMonk registrations of birth are for loans that are offset for the amount of tax you will pay through your whole working life. They get billions on the strength your paying tax your whole working life.

+Daniel Booth around £1100 from Insat international in the UK. (It's a top spec electric vehicle battery with copper interconnects, not the crap you get from China) ;-)

+DerbJd good tip thanks!

Duane Murray i can teach you how to get one

@@ronbrown8611 how

Unless you have passed your driving licence before 2001 to ride a 50cc moped without L plates

you can peddel fuckin45 mph christ ass fuckin mighty,,,fer fuck sake

+listek S good tip, I kinda wanted the lights though so I can ride at night, also indicators so I don't have to stick my arm out!

Yeah passed your driving test before 2001 like i did then you don't need L plates on a moped or registered E bike

+Paintbrush 1962 Thanks, I built it up from parts, the frame is an Enduro Ebike. There's a lot of information in some of my other videos.

Cheers mate!

In the case of bikes like this they’re above 250watts & are classed as a motor vehicle needing insurance etc. If this isn’t done the rider is on public land he is liable for prosecution

@@gasmanrus where I live its 750w 20mph. Most kits that are 72v have a 750w mode made for that exact purpose.

@@DaveDuzzit ah sorry was referring to the UK. Where about’s in the world are you?

@@gasmanrus California, US. We have a 750w 20mph/32kph limit for ebikes to be legal. My bike however is like this one @ 72v 10kW. I usually zoom around like a motorcycle up to 65mph, but throw it in 750w mode, or go slow enough on the boardwalk so I don't end up with a citation.

@@DaveDuzzit hopefully one day the limit here will be raised. My bike too is 72v but can select modes all the way down to walking pace. California is on my list of places to visit one day! Venice beach & San Francisco etc

+Super -sim hmm but it won't be as cool! You can get a smaller number plate like those on old vintage bikes, I'm willing to risk it!

Yes I actually decided not to bother registering it in the end but having indicators, decent lights and brake lights are good for riding on the road it helps you to be seen and car drivers seem to treat you with a bit more respect, I suppose because they are trained to look out for these signals so they react accordingly.

Most will still probably ignore your indicators lol certainly through my experience they will, im really looking forward to getting an Ebike, will probably go for building one as i have an engineering background, stay safe and happy riding

+iJamie8467x I do agree about the laws, however the reason for registering would be to travel above 30+ mph on the road everywhere. Insurance is useful if you have an accident. You won't pay tax on an electric vehicle.

andy kirby But The Law is, it must be 250w 15mph, if higher then you must register, right? Thats just stupid So you cant have a 600watt 15mph Electric Scooters and Electric Skateboards have to be licensed but if you Licence you cant drive on the paths They aint safe on roads either since the wheels and balance If you license you need to get driving lessons for Driving Lisence

@@andykirby funny you mention tax but sure enough the government are trying,soon every household will be paying a duty on electric,because fuel vat and duty will need to come from somewhere. I only use electric in my home for heating and that's it, but I'll be slapped with extra tax/fuel duty on electric. At which point il be getting electric motorbike/push bike,already have a car licence ,car insurance and tax so won't be doing it all again for bike that's for sure,plod can't pedal fast enough lol

The VIN number may not be acceptable on a removable part of the frame, ie swing arm.

merlin 13 To clarify, you have to have L plates if you haven't got a *moped/motorcycle licence* or moped entitlement on your car licence. Irrespective of the date of your car licence, you can have a full moped or MC licence if you pass the appropriate test. This would be classed as a motorcycle because it can go above 30mph, so a moped entitlement on your car licence wouldn't suffice anyway.

I passed my test before 2002 and it allows me to ride up to 50cc without L plates or any other test. After 2002 it was a legal requirement to have L plates and appropriate documents.

Yeah, but that's only if you are riding provisionally, in other words you have to retake the CBT every 2 years. A moped rider can elect to get an AM license which means they are effectively no longer a learner and can remove the L-plates, carry passengers, and don't have to take the CBT anymore.

A Nother: I passed my test with a PLG in 1984 and that gave me a FULL licence for a motorcycle up to 50cc as well as certain other vehicles but NOT a motorcycle over 50cc, aslo I do not need L plates and can carry a pillion, confirmed by the police.

It's defo worse for cars but agreed its still a ball ache.

+Alex Arcano yes it probably would be the quickest method but then it wouldn't be as easy to carry, it would be crazy expensive because you need more batteries and a bigger motor to shift a huge lump of metal. I truly believe that the future of transportation is small lightweight electric vehicles like this that don't cause pollution but they just need to go a bit quicker than a pedal assist Ebike. I regularly do 40miles on this bike and I wouldn't want to do that distance on a regular crappy pedal assist 250W Ebike if I'm trying to get somewhere.

andy kirby true, the likes of the goal zero bikes are damn expensive, would still love one though.

I did start converting over a125cc bike years ago to electric but the battery technology wasn't there at the time (and still isn't really) and I couldn't get the range for my commute so I scrapped the idea. On a slight tangent, at about the same time as attempting to build my ev I wrote my electrical engineering project in college on the concept of eco friendly transport and drew a few annoying conclusions on it. Simply converting over to an ev is not a solution in and of it's self. That is just moving the problem from one place to another as the majority of our current electricity is provided by either coal and nuclear power stations, with renewables coming in last place, and our current national grid is incapable of supporting broad use of ev. It had been slowly changing but unfortunately the current government has cancelled the new wind turbine farms due to be put in place here in Scotland in favour of a new nuclear power plant. Joy. In my paper many moons ago, I even looked into using hydrogen fuel cells as a solution but hydrogen is a bugger to produce in any meaningful quantity, electrolysis being inefficient requiring a lot of power to obtain hydrogen from water or harmful chemicals to split down (usually) hydrogen peroxide to get hydrogen from. Also, Lithium batteries are toxic to the environment and need to be carefully disposed of when they degrade after maybe 3 to 5 years of use. Honestly we need a better method of producing electricity in the first place. Look into the life cycle of current ev technology and unfortunately, environmental impact wise, it's not much different to any other fuel efficient fossil fuel vehicle. To be truly eco friendly and low impact it currently needs to be locally produced (including all is components), recyclable and efficient with a truly renewable power source/supply and storage solution..... Which doesn't yet exist. I'm not saying converting to ev is bad, just that currently it's not at good as most people believe. I do intend to go ev, but the technology just isn't there yet to make it affordable, eco friendly and practical for extended commuting. Hell, you can get a small affordable motorbike to do over 120mpg now. As a hobby it's a great thing and I would love to see the concept taken further (it's amazing how well many 'back yard' inventions work) as well as how much it's going to be costing once everything is done as well as running costs. I'm hoping it's less expensive than a regular motorbike but I have my doubts. I'd love to be proved wrong though. 😀

+Alex Arcano interesting points there, I still feel electric is still more eco friendly, agreed it's not 100% green as it's being sold but it's definitely more sustainable. I'm already looking at converting my house to solar power and storing energy using batteries. (Maybe tesla's power wall) I am looking forward to the day I can power most of my activities this way.

Andy,, me too are toying with going eco, I want to go off grid completely,,, keep us all informed of your plans,, ( I do,nt fancy being the guinea pig)

Yes you are right. I didn’t register in the end but I know some are still wanting to do it so thought it worth the journey for the purpose of the video.

Thanks for the reply mate :-) happy riding!