For everyone who's confused, Reiner wasn't trying to be Sarcastic or Funny. He was trying to think of bad things that they did to make them seem horrible, but these were the only things that crossed his mind. It shows that he doesn't see them as bad at all
@@randomman4628 Right now looking at comments is at your own risk. Watching recent videos will inevitably draw spoilers. I feel bad for spoiled anime onlys...
At first I was laughing because I thought he was being sarcastic, then I realized he missed them and was trying to think of something bad to make them seem devilish
Nope he was just recollecting fond memories but he cannot tell it in a normal way otherwise he will be considered a sympathizer and a traitor so he used the word devils and savages but he's not trying to think something bad about them.
@@haroldcruz8550 No I understand, he can't be seen like he actually had fun with them or has good memories, so he's saying something to make them look bad, but what I'm saying is that at first I thought he was being sarcastic, then I realized what he was actually doing
@@justgermanpleasexcusemywri3618 i don't think he was being sarcastic, just lost in thought so much that he began to say what he actually witnessed in between
@@justgermanpleasexcusemywri3618 not sarcastic i think but thats hes way of sharing or hinting to his family that the " island devils" are just normal people with their own quirks and are generally good people. And not the " island devils" that marley is propegating
@@giygas9305Yeah it was pretty much just a simple teen crush he had 😅 Since let’s remember he was still a teen at the time and likely still going through puberty still so, ofc his hormones would spiral out of control seeing a cute and caring girl I doubt he still even gives a fuck about her like that as grown adult and sees her as more of that one person you vaguely remember from high school
I really didn't like Reiner under we got to the Marley Arc, and afterwards I just fell in love with his character. My gosh, it's just so beautiful when the author switched the POV to Reiner's side.
Sasha: People still remember that! I thought everyone would've forgotten about it by now. Reiner, after going through trauma, humiliation, a crippling personality disorder, and four years of constant war:
It’s funny how her offering a piece instead of half really came fill circle. Also, the fact that he’s telling a story about Sasha to the person who will eventually kill her is wild
The language barrier is a very big thing. I'm Japanese, but perhaps the way this scene is conveyed differs from country to country due to differences in language and contextual culture. his way of speaking, including the phrase "they were real demons," is seemingly dark, but there is a lightness to it, somewhat like the introduction of a joke, and Reiner's family members are uncomfortable with the nuances of his familiarity and affectionate way of speaking. There is such a nuance, as if he is telling a joke to his friends while daring to look serious. But by the time he says, "My time was a living hell," it is a serious sound that contains no jokes. From the bottom of his heart, Rainer described those days as "hell". For him, the days he spent on the island were the best and happiest of his life. The happier he was, the more he was consumed by guilt for the crimes he had committed, and in the end he had to give up all that happiness to fulfill his mission as a warrior for his family back home. So those were truly hellish days for Rainer
@@MandoDin it reminded me when my parents would ask me about school on the dinner table and i'd say some sarcastic shit that makes school sound fun but obviously wasnt so yea especially that awkward part of the end where they were looking at him crazy i felt that lmao
@@MandoDin "he was trying to convince himself that they were horrible people" ok but i thought reiner smiled abit when he was talking about them and tried to hide his smile (its only in the manga someone told me)
he was trying to find something evil and bad about them but the only thing that came in his mind was this because they aren‘t demons how it is told to everyone outside the wall they are just normal humans like all people
@@arafatkhan4234 Since her introduction, I thought Gabi looked like the bizarre love-child of Eren and Sasha, and I haven't been able to unsee it. EDIT: I think she shares personality traits with them too.
@@AnimaVox_ it's even harder to tell them apart in the manga, she looks exactly like a younger version of sasha, but im not comparing sasha to some 12 yr old
This poor guy. Certainly he never received love because who he was genuinely. He has this awful mother who all of his life saw him as a tool. He was considered a loser by his training mates, hatred and rejected by his father and used as a weapon by Marley. Even the kids saw him as a hero because the killing he has done. Paradis was the only place were he was loved and respected because of him, were he was one of them, not because he has titan powers, not because he was a weapon. The 104th training corps truly respected him and adopted him as an older brother. It so, so sad he was a wolf in sheep skin between the people who really cared for him for first time in his life. I truly understand why he broke his mind to pieces. Even when he was part of the alliance he could see his old mates still cared for him. I really feel sorry for Reiner.
@@t-ro6176the thing that makes him a poor guy was that he was coerced to do it, Marley has his family hostage. They would all be killed if he switched sides.
@@t-ro6176So did eren, Armin, erwin, zeke… there’s zero point in saying a character is pure evil because they killed in aot. Like half the main cast has a kill count.
@@t-ro6176the whole point of AOT is that there are no good guys in true war. Marley was bad, Eren(and by extension Eldia) was objectively worse despite having a good reason. The whole story of AOT is to show the hells of war on the battlefield, the lies on the home front, and how morally grey all sides are. It's main theme being that the worst of things can happen because of the best of intentions. See Zeke, Eren, and Grisha as example. Or ymir's own treatment
And the way Gabi asks afterwards, "Huh? Aren't they bad people?" shows how much of a child she is. She's a child, and everything has been taught to her. I really love her arc in the manga because it shows how children get dragged into the cycle of hate, and how they can be freed from it.
@t-ro6176 when man is presented with obstacles that could change us and our fundamental way of thinking the road is almost impossibly hard, as humans we're hard wired to stick to familiarity even when the truth is right in front of us, think how bad habits or addictions form its all based on whats familiar to us not on what we SHOULD be doing its illogical but we follow the road regardless its how we adapted to survive so long, the only real way to change it is to reinforce different ideas until the old ideas are phased out, once or twice just isn't enough.
@@Frieda_scribblesshe is a kid soldier. At that point her body count is probably like 100 but the thing is she Is so naive she can't see the depth of her actions, which is exactly what she finds out in Paradis through Sasha's family.
So the funny thing is : He is jut speaking in Marleyan. Let me translate it in Eldian for you : "I miss my friends terribly. And there is no words that can describe how much i regret what I did to them."
His family were brainwashed but they weren’t idiots. They could tell he wasn’t being sincere. Most people would see right through him and would be able to tell he was reminiscing about some of the best years of his life rather than conveying what a living hell the island and living with its inhabitants were.
He was being sincere if talking about actual experience but looks insincere if we considered the brain-washing propaganda that was taught to his family before he sets off to Paradis Island.
For those that might not be sure aside from Sasha who he exactly meant: in the manga, it showed each character he meant Connie: toilet Jean: selfish Marco: selfless Eren: charges without thinking Armin and Mikasa: 2 who followed.
@@ashhily6801 yeah ik that but the fact that he's talking ill about him here kinda contradicts that. Even tho ik he's trying to shame the devils of Paradis, I don't think he should do that to Marco when he was the one who caused his death.
@@Ironhide1125 he was trying to save face with his family by describing the “devils” they thought he had ptsd being around & when he was trying to come up with reasons as to why they are called “devils” all he could come up with are memories of him witnessing their personalities. In fact you can see he kind of misses them, which is why his mother looked at him in horror.
A mother usually knows this stuff. She was probably extremely sad her son had to go through with such a mission. He was only 14 when he infiltrated the walls.
Why would he be smiling though? Seems to me like the point of this scene is he that he knows he did something horrible and is trying to excuse it to himself.
@@ThrowAway-gu2lw Hey. I hope you are in good health. The reason he was smiling in the manga is because he was relishing the old times. He was missing them and that's why he smiled.
to anyone who's confused, his mom wasnt scared by the story, she was scared of the way reiner was describing them, like they're normal human beings. she was terrified of the prospect of paradis ''demons'' being normal human beings just like them, she and everyone else were convinced that eldians were monsters, and reiner shook that belief with his story. she was terrified of Reiner slipping up and showing his compassion towards the paradis eldians, in fear of what marely would do to her family and loved ones. she knows eldians are normal people just like her and everyone around her.
"My time there was a living hell" His time there was hell. Not because the people were bad but because to them he was a devil. He had to betray friends and comrades that were as much a victim of circumstance as he was. He was forced to confront the reality that was different to what he had been groomed to believe. There was no easy good vs evil like he believed when he first helped destroy the wall, merely two sides of a conflict. That is the greatest trauma, is being burdened by all of this and yet knowing you have a role that you cannot change. This is his hell
Reiner: And there was this one demon, the absolute worst of them all, she had golden hair that looked like sunshine on a warm summer sunrise, her eyes were so blue that would make the clearest sky look like a gray rainy day, she was so kind and cute i spent enitre days dreaming of making a family with her, we would had 5 children, 3 boys and 2 girls and 3 big dogs and a small one.
@@nebula8117 well make sense because Eren faced the cruelty of the World much later compared to Reiner because he was Eldian and his goal of killing all the titans wasn't interesting . When Eren was training to become a scout . Reiner had already done the training part and was starting to understand that the people inside the wall weren't the real devils as he had been taught . Slowly realising all this while keeping grasp of what his actual role was in all this must've been really hard .
It's really hilarious, and also incredibly heartbreaking, that when Reiner tries to think of the horrific things he saw on Paradis, the best he can think of are more akin to summer camp than an island of devils.
Guys after reading a lot of comments I think most people don't get the right idea of the scene Reiner is not being sarcastic neither that Isayama's sense of humour is twisted... Reine didn't want to lie and he was delivering the truth A childish girl that loves food A strict teacher A brave who cares about others A Coward who only cares about himself A stupid who doesn't know why he went to the bathroom He wanted to say that they're nothing like we're told, they are normal people trying to live their own lives. Nevertheless, he can't say that or they will be considered open rebellions so he was covering his answer with words like Devils, savages and hell... His family is not stupid and that's why they were scared not because of a potato girl. They may get hanged because of his words. And that's why she closed the window because she was worried that someone may hear him and snitch. They are afraid of the idea that what if Reiner changed or repel against Marley after his experience. And his mother realized that and was shocked that he says these things especially in front of Gabi whom her attitude may change towards Marley and Paradise. And that's why when Gabi asked: What do you mean "all sorts of people", Ain't they all bad? Reiner's mother immediately interrupted saying that they are and these island devils turned our life to hell and ended the talking. To remove any influence Gabi may have got from Reiner words. And yeah, I know it's fun to ignore this fact for a moment and enjoy Sasha being a badass I love it too.
Reiner actually did think it was funny. In the manga, it was more obvious. He thought calling them devils was laughable, but he tried to hide it. Then he started telling the truth. He got too into it and started reminiscing and his mom got worried that spies or snitches could be listening.
@@muntu1221 I think that Reiner not being as sarcastic in the anime is a nice touch, it makes his dialogue in this scene sound like he’s really bad at lying, which is in line with his character.
This scene always gives me chills Then cut to Gabi saying "There are no devils on this islands, they were all human" Brings tears in my eyes and I feel so bad for Reiner Her mom's face is really screaming "no don't acknowledge the truth, stay oblivious and brainwashed, that's the only way we can live"
It's that she disrespected her commander breaking discipline and eating, while he was talking. An Eldian would never do that to a Marleyan commander. They would probably get thrown in the gallows immediately. You see how these Eldians all walk on egg shells around the Marleyans.
I love this scene. Really brings Reiner’s existential crisis full circle. It shows that he was brought up and trained to hate Eldians, but spending years in their presence showed him that they were just normal people, living normal lives, up until the titans came
and despite that he still went through with the mission, betraying his friends while keeping his loyalty to marley a life condemned to betrayal from the start
@@zamaskowany12no... Eren could have stopped the titan from going to his mom.... But he did not... Because if he had stopped the titan to eat birthtold, carla would not have died and in the end, carla would never let eren join the scouts, grisha would not give his titan to eren as frieda would have killed him(he would commit suicide since there will be no future eren to brainwash him.)i know it is confusing... It is even for me.... I guess we should avoi🙄making theories about stories thay involve time travel... One thing is sure.... If ymir had not freed the pigs, none of this would habe happened...
This scene are so GOOD! In manga they show everyone flashback. Not matter how many Reiner put the “Evil” word into his story, those are still sound a Good Memories.
I always love how Reiner highlights Sasha eating a potato during the opening ceremony but doesn't say anything about her being able to run for more than 5 hours straight before falling down or Sasha literally going rabid over a piece of meat that she starts eating Jean's fingers
He is depressed because on some level he realized he betrayed a bunch of people who were at worst a ragtag band of idiots. The mom is horrified because he just described perceived demons as if they were friends he made after coming back from school with out even thinking about it.
His mother understood that they were normal people and thats why she closed the window so that nobody hears it & the fam don't get into trouble.. I loveee this little details in AOT
Reiner was a hero to both sides, but ended up being an outcast to everyone. The saddest character ever. The path from a minor character to an antagonist to the main character.
Reiner: gives his 5-year “horror” story of life on Paradis to his family The family: traumatized by his story Reiner: “Sorry. That was a strange thing to say.”
He’s not traumatised, he can’t think of anyways those he was close to in the walls were evil so he emphasises stupid things. At the end of his speech he says there were many people inside the walls instead of calling them devils which shows he thinks of them as people. The eldians are taught to think of paradisians as devils and cannot show that they think of them as anything but devils.
"there were all kinds of people there" he said that without thinking, but that's exactly what marely doesn't want the world to know eldians, paradisians specifically, are just people..
@@ScrubDuelist we don't know yet. At the current point (of the manga) rules that used to apply in the past like the curse of ymir are not guaranteed to work in the future anymore
i loved this scene so much, it’s even better at the mothers face of horror after reiner is talking about them like normal people (because that’s what they are) it’s so good
She looked at him in horror because she could tell he missed them and regretted what he did to them (like any mother would). Cause when his family asked “what do these devils act like” his only response was basic human personality traits. Almost as if he was trying to convince himself that was reason enough to call them devils. When in fact they were never devils to him.
Not just a battlefield. Reiner infiltrated and lived amongst his enemy for close to 5 years. Breaking a wall and letting titans eat people is one thing, but having to actively massacre the closest thing to family you've had for a decent portion of your formative years? Yeah, unsurprising that Reiner is a broken mess.
To think that their happiest moments and the only time they felt treated equally was when they were behind a giant wall and inside enemy land says a lot. To think that there's also a cute girl who turned out to be a queen and you had to left her only to comeback knowing that she is now pregnant damn that hurts
Notice how he, in the most detailed way, starts with describing an event with Sasha, while Gabi, her killer, is sitting right there. Excellent yet heartbreaking detail....
@@mainescapade In what way was it poorly adapted? I haven't read the manga, but to me it was super obvious that Reiner was being sarcastic to subtly tell his family that the Eldians of Paradise are just normal people like them, while at the same time also remembering the time he spent with his comrades fondly.
Apparently, some people allege that Reiner is happily reminiscing about the people in the 104th, while trying to paint them as horrible as possible, and then Reiner says that it was hell so as to badly cover up that her referred to them as people. That hell, allegedly, is that Reiner thought Eldians were devils, but they were normal, and he was broken upon having to ruin their lives. He used that personal hell to pretend that all the Eldians were stupid and he hated that, as if the time behind the walls was a decontructive sitcom
@@LokiTheGodofMischief yeah but Kaya never tell Gabi about this. maybe she never know as well as Sasha never tell her the story. Reiner also never know that Sasha died?
Reiner is one of the best characters in anime. You can feel the clashing between his lived experience and the brainwashing he received as a kid. After you learn his backstory, you can;t really hate him. You even feel bad for probably wanting him dead during s2.
Not in my case.. He could have aborted the mission after loss of Marcel but instead he continued as he wanted to be a hero . I've always hated every marleyan an their warriors. Genocide is wrong but I can say Marley should be wiped out for sure for safety of paradise island..
@@Anonymous-pv7nzIf they abort the missions, it is likely that they would be considered deserter resulting in them and their families getting punished.
@@kevinclement1533even after all those inequalities and oppression these idiots still serve marley . If i would be them i would use my power to butcher all of them . Eren is 100% doing right thing because they deserve it . And i also want reiner to be killed lol
I feel so bad for Reiner man. 😢 He had to betray his friends. The only people that truly loved and respected him. You can tell he had a better life at paradise island than Marley.
“A guy who's charge into any situation without thinking.. and the two who would follow him through anything.” *why do I hear protagonist music playing-*
This scene is awesome. There are so many things going on with just a couple words. Reiner is trying to think of the awful things the island demons did while he was there, and as he does his best to describe them in an evil light, both him and his family is noticing how he is humanizing them and that he actually lived a happier life among them. Then the realisation sets in the room that not only these devils are just like them, but that Reiner is now a liability as if Marleyians hear them talk about the people of Paradise in any other light than describing them as evil, they themself might be cast out of Marley for sympathising with Paradise. This little monologue of Reiner put him and his family within two lines of fire. They are not welcome among the Eldian people because of the crimes of Reiner, but if the truth gets out, if Reiner is honest even for a moment in front of the wrong people, then they'll all be turned into titans and sent on their way like how Marley deals with Eldian sympathisers in Marley territory. Reiner is truly a tragic character. He had to live a lie both in Eldia and Marley. The only single time he got to be honest is when apologising for Eren.
That scene was so hard to witness. It becomes so clear that Reiner really misses all his old comrades and his life there. Despite his actions Reiner is every bit of a victim of this world as well. The toll his guilt takes on him already became apparent on the way his personality split. I think he is truly of the greatest characters every written for anime.
I admit, Reiner really turned around for me. First it was "Fuck you, you filthy traitor" Then it was "Ah, you're literally just following your orders. But still, fuck you." And finally it was "You poor guy, you really had a rough go of it, didn't you?"
@@raymundohernandez8322 Shit loads of people died horribly without even knowing about the truth. You know that, right? Everybody is a victim because of the history that are unrelated to them.
Reiner: "So there was this girl, she ate a potato..." Everyone else: "BLASPHEMY, WHAT AN ATROCIOUS ACT OF THE DEVIL, THEY DESERVE TO BE CONDEMNED TO DEATH"
I've always understood this scene as...when Reiner said "people", everyone thought he was crazy because up until this point, they've always called them devils or island devils. Which of course, hurts as a viewer, because it'll suddenly hit you that Reiner has changed his perspective and remembers the moments happily. He was just trying to cover that realization.
Not only that, he was trying to remember his "worst" memories and recall bad things about his friends.. but these is all his mind could think of. Reiner is a multi-dimensional character fighting a pyschological battle at this point.
He have PTSD because he killed a lot of innocent people. Not because he is scrared of Mikasa or others. Remeber Reiners Dream. Remember Mikasas Eyes. These people are no longer his friends. This is why Reiner says "Why" He is trying to find a way to end this. Go back to the day that he attack the wall and stop himself.
He just missed them ... God, it must be so painful, facing the fact that he had to betray his comrades for his so-called-motherland, which deliberately imprisons his own race for a sin they didn't commit he suffers alot that's why he didn't attack Eren when Eren seized The War Hammer Titan and Eren knew this ... Isayama, you are genious !!!
@@anomalousdelirium What surprises me is how many people think he was being sarcastic. I just think, 'really? in an enclosed zone of hated people who are routinely punished by being turned into titans if they show the slightest hint of disloyalty, you think Reiner would JOKE about something like this?' He terrified his mother so much she ran over and closed the window to make sure no would outside was listening!
@@dontsubcribedontlike673 Maybe "sarcastic" is not the best word to describe it, but he was a bit like "this and that", you know what i mean. That's why people have different view toward that scene.
@@dontsubcribedontlike673 He was being sarcastic, he told the truth but was poking fun at them being considered devils. "This girl only gave a small piece of a potato and tried to pass it off as half - what a monster". He couldn't be more sarcastic if his life depended on it
Reiner: "They were real demons, Inhumane, even..." *remembers Historia* "...But there was a goddess and I'm gonna marry her." Tight hugs Reiner bae 😁💓🍎
@@ok-kv1lk she may be dead but that doesn't mean she's not going to stop reiner from trying to marry historia girls going to raise out of the grave and kill Reiner
... Those were indeed actual hellish moments for reiner, because he had to stay there side by side with his friends, knowing he was a traitor, knowing he was the one who caused all of their misfortunes
People here are commenting about the meaning behind this scene which def shows that they felt sad watching this but I have to say that I miss the season 1 gang and vibe when all of them were together so much and this made me cry. And I haven't cried for a long time....
This is definitely my favorite scene in all of season 4, maybe even the entire attack on titan series in terms of story telling. Fuck it maybe all anime. The music, the slight way the characters move. It feels like were also experiencing his memories, of a time long ago and far away. All he has to say about them is that they're evil. And we have to wonder if he really wants to believe it. Its so haunting especially because we know that nothing can go back to the way it was, and along with those good memories are hundreds of dead, and horrible horrible losses. the way he describes 'hell' is so absurd that its almost funny, but its also somehow horrific and somber. I think its one of the most chill inducing representations of PTSD ive ever seen. I feel like this scene is something you could write a paper about in an english class.
I like how the family listens as if it wasn't the silliest story Reiner told after the only one coming back on a mission for 5 years. You'd think he'd say something heroic but yeah I guess potato girl was outright the most savage thing.
This is the beauty of Attack on Titan. We get to see from each side, we get to see the whole story, and we get to choose who we think is in the right. We see how Marley once had the right to despise Eldians for what they'd done... but their justice was consumed by hatred, and they treated children with the brutality that should be saved for war criminals. The people of Paradis Island deserved to be confined after what the Eldian Empire had done... but surely after a century, they didn't still deserve to have their minds wiped. Eren had every right to hate the world for wanting to destroy his home, but genocide is never the answer. So much nuance, such amazing storytelling.
“There were all kinds of *people* right alongside us” Not devils, not monsters. People. Reiner essentially described them as humans just like them. And that’s terrifying for everyone.
