It's funny how that's fear and anxiety in a nutshell. Oh my god I asked that person for directions and they didn't laugh at me and it wasn't a big deal, why the hell was I scared in the first place?
@@wolfrox777 It ABSOLUTELY IS, and I've been applying it in my own life in an effort to overcome my anxiety. "I went to the grocery store and interacted with other humans, and I didn't die or shit myself or anything", that sorta internal pep talk :D
Really like watching dogs like this one in these types of channels. 1- they are getting the help they need. 2- shows how much their owners really care. 3- keeps the dog from being put down at some vet’s office. 4- helps other owners with similar situations.
@@Flippokid that's exactly the mechanism which works for fearful dogs. Years ago I took a friend's PON young (about 1-1.5) bitch (who didn't get quite good socialisation and didn't know me before) together with my Aussie girl to a sheep trainer. My friend just dropped her off at my home about two days before. The PON girl didn't show any aggression nor barking, but was apparently stressed and the whole time sat at her kennel, avoided my touch (but was more open to my dogs). After we got to the trainer he said to put her together with his pack of Border Collies in their room for about 2 hours. After that time she was a completely different dog - happy, calm, trusting to me, came happily to me when called... The trainer explained it: when she was put into the completely strange pack of dogs and came out of the room, you (and your dog) were the only known element in that strange environment. The change was really amazing, and I wouldn't have believed if I haven't seen that.
@@pamjarvis6199 idek about afraid. Not trivializing here, but if this dog was a person, this dog would be diagnosed schizophrenic. That's why the trainer is saying his brain is not well. Spooky.
@@curlyfryactual not speaking against the trainer he is the Best just saying from my experience with my dog and my dogs vet she was five months old and prescribed medications for this behavior
Barking is a bit from Pomeranian, but most of it was him being locked in an apartment. These are high energy dogs. They need to be socialized and have A LOT of exercise of they become a nuratic crazy mess.
I watched this video twice. I've never seen a dog this reactive before. Major Kudos to these owners for investing in this little guy and trying their best to work through this. Would love an update at some point.
Prince did a great job backing this dog off. He play bowed him down to let him know it's not serious but also he's not gonna back off if he's gonna bark in his face. It was pretty impressive that he didn't get super angry at this dog, it was just the right amount for that dog.
I train aggressive and anxious dogs. I use the laying on side method with most dogs. I move from using it as a restraint to the command “sleeping” where i teach the dogs to hold the position for a length of time, like “wait” or “stay”. There is something about that position that messes with dog’s adrenaline. All dogs eyes begin to close and they actually fall sleep after a few minutes. It’s very bizzare and hugely helpful to socialize older aggressive and fearful dogs. Very cool stuff!
I love Joel's "Just deal with it dude" attitude. I stand by that with my bully. If you're not in any kind of danger and nothing will hurt you; Deal with it. Its real world man. The world doesn't tip-toe around me, and certainly wont around you (the dog)
My rescue got a little too excited the other day and I had to do the putting him on his side thing just to calm him down. It really works. Like a little kid that’s throwing a tantrum
I have a rescue who is sort of like that. My force free trainer had a freak out when my dog reacted. She said that he was over threshold and that he is going to be experiencing an adrenaline reaction for the next two days. My dog usually has at least one freak out per walk so I told her that he is always over the threshold. I feel my force free dog trainer is not really helpful at times, and her force free methods are putting my dog and myself in danger at times. She insists on loose leash walking with one hand. This dog is strong. I am using my other hand on the leash now. At the end of the day, I will take what she has to offer and watch your videos. I am doing corrections now with the leash to get better loose leash walking. I learn a lot from your videos. Thank you. My dogs problem seems to be prey drive. He is a coonhound. He is normal in daycare but horrible on a leash. I am using a gentle leader. I added a martingale today and have much more control.
It sounds like you need a new trainer. We had a “positive reinforcement” trainer, and no longer work with her. Part of the problem was the trainer being on her cellphone when she thought I couldn’t see her. She was distracted, and not in tune with my dog.
I’m really glad you made this video and said all that you did. It confirmed some of my thoughts in dealing with my reactive 18 month/2 years Irish Terrier rescue pup and added some new info I can use, too. Mine’s not as severe as this one (he has gotten over his nerves at daycare and gets on okay with the other dogs now, albeit still wary of bigger dogs but not aggressive to them, just avoidance.) Barking at dogs from the car has just about stopped now - just interest and occasional whine. I’ve just got to up my game on street walks and encountering dogs. We live in the country and meetings with other dogs are rare and therefore reactive - people barking, too. Not aggressive to people - just fearful and too vocal. He likes the mailman now but still barks until he’s at his feet and being petted. Got to find some other folk with dogs who won’t mind working with us. You’ve said that before, I know. Maybe see if any of the owners of the dogs he gets along with will help. Thanks again for this one. 👍🏻
Me either but he's got something genetically wrong with him because of the money grabbing breeders didn't do their homework. I suspect both his parents had the Merle gene and that can cause so many different issues it's such a shame.
My dog has the same level of reactivity as mine does so I totally understand the owner's frustrations hahaha Would love to see updates on this dog's progress! Also, more small dog stuff pls! 😊
Absolutely loved seeing Prince doing his thing. It was a joy to see him read the dog and know what he needed was to loosen up and play. It worked pretty well with such a tightly wound little guy, considering. Prince really is a prince.
I have a 40 lb female border collie who we got from the rescue. She is 6 years old. She is perfect with people and cats, but when she sees another dog, she goes crazy af. She has one buddy she plays with and is fine around, but she goes insane when she sees other dogs. She will wine and start pulling and sometimes get aggressive and try to go after the other dog. We have had her since mid August and it is so hard. Every walk she scouts for other dogs. She has even started to whine and pull when she anticipates another dog will be there even when there isn’t! I really wish we had someone like you in our state because I think she has lacked positive experiences with other dogs and could use a safe environment to meet multiple dogs and not think they “are out to kill her.” We have enrolled her in a “reactive rover” 7 week, one hour classes, that is capped at 4 dogs max. We are hoping it is going to help her.
I love this. Prince and Joel are SOOOO patient with this dog. There’s a progression and amazing things were done in an hour but they were so calm and chill that this dog really showed some submission and changed for the better. Let’s see positive pushers do this
Thanks for this video. My aussie was 7yo when I got her and she had lived an isolated life with only her sire, owner, and intermittent home Healthcare worker to learn about life. She didn't even have the chance to go outdoors except on a leash to an unsecured backyard. It has taken me 2 years for her to be calm around other dogs, off leash in an open area. She's still reactive to cars driving slow, other dogs walking toward us when on leash, and people coming into the house. She's made huge progress in the last few months, but I wish I'd seen a video like this earlier. Thanks again for posting this to show that out of control dogs just might need other training methods.
Your videos helped me fix my agresive malinois Crazy Daisy. I watched other trainers such as Cabral and Davis whom share your methods in many ways. But just found out Cabral is against all dog parks all the time. I get so much joy and a sense of community at the dog park. I'm sorry for cheating on you with other trainers. I promise to be faithful from now on. I love how you say you will glance into a park , read the crowd and drive home if it looks bad.
Spot on recipe for this esp in Aussies.. that stranger danger hits HARD in Aussies in that 4 month to 6 month age.. even worse when the parents act like this.. however as someone who does have extensive experience (decades) with Aussies I saw a lot of behaviors that very very promising.. I prob do some things a tad different..but yeh this dog can become fantastic "if the owners have reasonable expectations and teach the dog and not expect this dogs personality to be a golden in different colors. Glad they are working on it ..
Our 1yr old Aussies need constant training and routine daily to remain calm. Working dad and show line mom keeps us on our toes. They are more quirky/goofy independent thinking than the cattle dogs I grew up with and we socialized them from the start using Joel's age appropriate training and they are happy confident dogs.
I watch your shows with my kids. My 8 yo daughter is in love with Prince. She has a new saying.... "Prince knows" sometimes she shes a dog and says "prince knows, he would help that dog" . She even said to someone the kids ther day " of course a dog knows better than we do, its a dog"! Lol
The way you explained, the socialization problem was right on. We got an Ozzy doodle puppy told not to bring him to a groomer or take him out much or see other dogs or other people until he had all of his shots by then he was afraid of everything he’s gotten much better, but has never been perfect. He was also bred like this dog. Lots of good advice appreciate the videos
I really wish ya'll lived in Florida. These sessions you have with all these families are absolute GOLD. Following your methods have helped my two corgis improve by leaps and bounds! But there's still a couple of issues with them that make me wanna bang my head against a wall. Trying to find a trainer who uses similar methods to yours has proved difficult.
Thank you for giving some advice for dogs like this. Our dog is very similar to this dog, we adopted him 3 months ago at 1 year n a half. We could rarely find any training videos that match this type of temperament. You are so right when u say it's something wrong with their brain. Our dog is a lovely sweet, very smart dog, but with random triggers he becomes completely irrationally crazy like this dog (luckily not as constant as with this dog). His body language is the exact same. It's anxiety and overstimulation which makes them unhinged. We will incorporate your advice into his training. One thing we found work well for our dog is safe spaces, one being in a crate away from owner (when triggered inside house) if he gets trigged by someone passing the window or a knock, we tell him to go to his crate and he goes in and lets his barks out in there and can come out and get treats when he calms down which usually is about 10 minutes for him. We wait for him to fully lay down in his crate and be quiet. When he's in there, u can see how irrational their emotion is. They bark at the air when nothing is happening. Beginning with this training, he would get triggered about 7 times a day just in our house with people walking by the window (we live in the city) and some people coming in and out the house. After a while, he starts becoming more cognitively present and he also fights the urge to bark bc he doesn't want to have to wait in the crate by himself, he wants to come out and have fun. Now he gets triggered maybe once or twice a day. So massive improvement. I agree with not sheltering these dogs too! Exposure if definitely needed if u want this dog to live a happy life.
This dog reminds me of my border collie when I adopted him at a year old, a year ago. Luckily I have mostly been able to get him over it with some intense training and great trainers.
Love your videos, I'm sure you have changed many unwanted behaviors into better habits. Like we all know most people have no clue how animals operate, thankfully I always have your videos to fall back on.
I’ve had to put my dog on her side. Not easy, but I did it. She was so suddenly barking and biting my arms on a walk. She was 2 1/2years and 72 lbs. the last time this happened. She is 4 now, what a workout.! It was instinctual on my part. I just needed to get control so she could calm down. I got her just before COVID. Didn’t socialize her much, there just weren’t the opportunities. I regret that. But she is doing much better on walks. Thanks for the video. Helps me feel okay about what I did.
And I love how you don't use an e collar. But don't disapprove of them either. It shows a very open mind. I could not have dealt with my dogs aggression at the dog park without one. Two weeks, your methods I never had to use it again.
I listened to the first min or two before I commented thank God. I've ran into several mini Aussies etc and I thought the same as Joel said. Genetics! Bred for the size and looks and nobody cares to do it right. Neurotic behaviors probably cost from over breeding to get the look. I have seen little Aussies and dogs of the sort that people have and they will turn an attack, their owners and the other dog that the owner has when I walk by. Just because I'm walking by. I'm not saying the people work with them to correct these issues but I think a lot of it has to do with the breeding. They go from normal to a damn cartoon in a split second and they are totally uncontrollable with the ones that I've encountered. Good job Joel as always.
As someone who has experienced intense, traumatic stress: there is a BIG difference between applying stress and forcing TRAUMATIC stress. This dog is out of its comfort zone, where most trainers want to keep dogs. I truly love that Joel has the strength of conviction to push past the dog’s comfort zone to widen the frame of his world. THAT is how you make improvements to the dog’s life. It cannot be done slowly. If you need to fix someone’s nose, you need to break it in a very controlled and precise way; you will cause much more damage if you try to slowly increase pressure until a bone breaks. This is psychological surgery. THIS takes actual skill and expertise. That’s why you won’t see most dog trainers doing this, bc they have no idea what they’re doing and they’re not really here to do what’s best for the dog. Most dog trainers are doing everything in their power to never expose the OWNERS to uncomfortable emotions. Joel is one of the few trainers who is real with people, he doesn’t push the dog too far bc he knows what he’s doing, and that’s how he gets results.
Hey Joel - you mentioned vets say the wrong information in regards to not socializing dogs until they have their vaccines. Can you talk more on that? (around 1:09) "... They tell you all this bad information" I was one of those owners, with my dog, who wouldn't bring him anywhere or let him in any places without completing his parvo vaccine... I was especially anxious of it because our family dog got it some years ago (he survived, and is fine now). I was still able to properly socialize him afterwards, but your comment in the first few minutes got me thinking. Would love to hear back! Been a fan for years.
The best option for this little guy is to be placed in an Australian Shepherd rescue, California or Arizona. Adoption by a family with a small pack and land, not apartment or condo, would be a life saver for him. Genetic issues can’t be trained away. A very reactive dog just has to find a different environment. Best for the dog
It's Avery strange looking Australian Shepard for one and why would you get o e of the most active dog breeds ever to have in an apartment? The dog is over stimulated in part because it needs appropriate stimulation
my cattle dog barks incessantly when she sees with other dogs especially when she’s on a leash or there’s a fence between. Your explanation of the mixed fear mixed not was helpful!!!
I wonder if these people even tire him, give him a job or go at least 3 to 4 times a day on long walks with him. At least 1 hour in the morning walk, 1 hour in the afternoon walk, 1 hour in the evening walk. Best would be 4 times a hour and also let him run. That's a high energy dog who also needs a job.
Its been 10 years since I've visited the states. I first saw Joel performing at SeaWorld and found this channel about a year ago! Brings back memories of watching you guys do some amazing work at SeaWorld. To see you guys do these incredible things with these dogs is amazing. I have an un-neutered 4 year old female Rottweiler, and while she's been almost perfect, your videos have helped me to further my understanding, especially of dog behavior and things to watch out for in dog behavior. Keep up the good work Joel.
Really highlights the importance of ethical breeding and researching breeders and their dogs before getting a puppy. A dog's temperament is just as much genetic as it is environmental. Shitty breeding practices such as removing pups too early from the mothers can also result in a poorly adjusted, unstable animal. People would save themselves a lot of time, money, and sanity if they understood this concept.
I might try a variation of this with my semi-feral cat. He's much the same, though a lot older and more ninja-twisty. But the idea that he can't learn what he doesn't experience really hit home. Gotta watch those claws, though. Thanks for yet another new idea.
My puppy barks constantly too. I know the lady we got him from kept the puppies in a separate room... not around her or her family really.. the puppy also didn't get the moms milk.. she gave him goat milk. I told my fiance let's keep looking for a different puppy.. he said no cause we put a deposit down. So now I have a pup who barks at literally everything. He barks if he sees people and they don't pet him. He barks at other dog dog fur up. Doesn't do bad on walks though. He'll walk by other dog and just look.. but if one barks over a wall or across the street He starts barking.. I got another puppy because I don't want him to become aggressive.. but he really isn't aggressive is all fear.
Gaaaaaah. My toy aussiedoodle barks incessantly when I put him out in the back yard. He's reactive with other dogs, and snarly with resource protection. Thank you for this.
A kinda sad situation, nothing is the dog's fault and that little dog is clearly not enjoying life. Easy as an owner to react to our own sadness and empathy and try to compensate by being permissive in our stance towards our dog, that doesn't work but I've felt that temptation in myself with our rescue GSD. Changes could be SEEN in this dog in real time. Owning a dog is not a fairy story - often it is like the rest of our lives - partly great, partly unsuccessful, partly 'just good enough'...but we tend to buy dogs as if they are a fantasy toy figure or something - with unreal expectations of what the work/pleasure ratio will be. Any owners who are taking their dogs to a trainer, like these two, are clearly doing their best to help their dog. More than most folk ever do. I found the 'on the side' strategy interesting - it is usually presented as an 'alpha dominance' strategy and I am not on board with THAT idea but if there is a physiological/evolutionary reason why that position helps a dog shift it's mental state - then it could be a legitimate strategy in some situations.
hey guys, first of all thank you very much joel for the videos, so much material to learn from! second of all,sorry for my bad english im from germany. with that being said, before i start, i have a question to the owners (maybe they will read this) is your dog an autonomous dog or is he nothing like that at all? because im pretty sure u got a central type of dog. central dogs handling the inner "problems/affairs" of the pack. which means for example he heard something dangerous, he would send you to watch and handle the situation. or he is pretty sensitive to your mood, trying to calm you down if ur mad or overexcited. he is handling the well being of the pack. he is a desicion maker. its hard to make them do thing they dont want to do or think its unnessacary. its hard to handle a dog like that by forcing them to do things. they are highly autonomous dogs. so you need to communicate with him. if not these dogs will get more and more unsure about everything and get hysterical if nobody listens to what they are saying (like u see in the video) its great to see what the dog is trying to say. he is trying to bite joels foot, because he dont want him to move, because he is unsure and he thinks the situation is a threat. first it was the human holding the camera. then its joel when he handshake the woman. and then the foot biting. this jumping forward seems "more aggressive". its cause joel is moving. on 3:10 u can see he is moving in front of the people. in the dog world it means stop! dogs think spatially. so if the dog is in front, he is handling situations, or if he moves like that he is taking your space in front which means stop. at 3:19 you can see how the people stop and the dog is much more relaxed and going sniffing. i think its because he first wants to see if something is dangerous here and he couldnt do that before because the people were moving. at 4:09 you can see people moving and he is barking again etc. its because he wasnt done evaluating the area/situation. 4:20 he is telling the pack that there is another dog 4:35 going around like that means that he wants you to come with him. 4:40 a little correction of the dog cause the human wasnt going where he told him to go. see how he is looking at the other owner and looking to prince? in dog language it either means he is sending you there to handle it or it means there is something, tell me what to do (more likely the first thing). 6:17 prince wanted to smell the dog, the dog didnt want that (lip licking too), so prince decided to make a mark at the bush so the dog can look up who prince is. its very cool how prince handling it and respecting that the dog doesnt want to get smelled. (from previous videos you can see prince marking the fence. its because of the same reason) at 7:04 another correction that the humans didnt helped him. barking, looking at owner and then to prince i guess, trying to get them to deal with the situation 7:22 going infront again when they start moving trying to get them to stop 9:00 its right that the dogs are getting more calm when u put them to the side. but dogs only do that when the other dog has no respect at all and doesnt understand the signs the other dog is giving them, the sign to stop. if the dog is to excited there are dogs lying down (most of the people think its a submissive dog, but in reality its trying to calm the other dog down and trying to get him to lay down too) in the human world, if a dog is trying to attack you, you should put him on the side, keep calm and wait till the dog is calm (u know he is calm when you take your hands away and he is still lying down, if he tries to stand up hes not calm and u put ur hands away to early) 9:25 see how calm he is when the humans sit? now he can go and evaluate the room. when he was done he shakes off the tention. 11:16 watch how he is reacting to the other dog going to the owners. he is in a higher state then before. first the male, after that the female owner. then the other dog is going away and he is a bit more calm again.. i hope it helped some people understanding dogs better. if not, im sorry that i was failing you, but either way, have a nice day :)
My biggest issue with this video, the dog is looking to the owners for guidance. They should be directing him to calm down and showing him what they want right from the start. There is only so much a dog will look to you for guidance before it gives up and decides you aren't a good leader.
Agreed. Has a LOT of "psycho" in its eyes. Probably because it's in constant psycho mode. The owners also seemed to lack any kind of leadership, control and/or dominance. Not a bad dominance but an "I'm the boss and this nutty behavior is unacceptable" kind of dominance/leadership. I don't know... That dog just has a TON of issues and they seem pretty deeply rooted.
