Religious debate in the US on Christ's deity attracts crowd 

A well known scribal corruption and lie which Trinitarians cannot stop telling. He appeared in a body (NIV) He who was manifested in the flesh (ASV) He who was revealed in the flesh (NASB) Who was manifested in the flesh (NAB) He was manifested in the flesh (RSV) He was revealed in flesh (NRSV) Which was manifested in the flesh (Douey-Rheims) He was revealed in the flesh (NET) He was manifested in the flesh (ESV) Who was manifested in the flesh (NAB)

@@StringPlunker 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂ Philippians 2:5-6 John 10:30

@@Srhyle And that has to do with the topic at hand how?

@@StringPlunker everything, you're just can't comprehend it.

@@Srhyle Yes you are right. I can't comprehend what your post had to do with the translation of 1 Tim 3:16. I suspect you can't comprehend what your post had to do with it either.

did you watch the whole vid?

@@Angelreyes-ej8pd I did why?

+Grey Sky It could be GOOD for him if it makes him want to reconsider his beliefs and humble himself to listen to the Message, brother/sister. if a person were to choose between a moment’s embarrassment or forever in the lake of fire, most people with any common sense will choose that moment’s embarrassment “for 1,000, Alex (from the game show Jeopardy).”

PS Gary​ I couldn't agree more.

+Grey Sky Why you feel sorry for him? Have you watched the ENTIRE debate or just these EXCEPTS on here?

+PS Gary What MESSAGE? OH the MESSAGE about the SUPPOSED LAST MESSENGER being Feliix.. lol and the FAR EAST being mentioned in scripture? NEITHER ONE EXISTS anymore in scripture than the CATHOLIC'S ' purgatory!!

Eric Pennick​ Dude, you need friends lol.

It's true... let us propagate the good news, because some are just pretending to be christians.

For your info Mr Rey De BAD, INC are clearly winning not only in debates but most especially people of all walks of life and religious denominations. Hundreds of religious leaders, pastors, ministers, priests, nuns are joining the Church of Christ. About a debate with Mr. Soriano, pls ask him to come back first from his self-exile in Brazil. Like what Mr. Soriano said "may sinabi ba ako na hinahamon ko ang Iglesia ni Cristo, WALA NUN".

where can you read that jesus introduce himself as god

@@ojosdelagua where in the Bible Jesus says I am not GOD? hahahaha You want to find word by word in The Bible but The Bible is NOT DICTIONARY 😂 If you have commonsense you will find the Truth that Jesus is God according to the Context of the Bible 😂 John 1:1-3 NLT In the beginning the WORD (REV 19:13) ALREADY EXISTED. The WORD WAS WITH God, and the Word was God. HE EXISTED in the beginning WITH God. God created everything THROUGH HIM. and NOTHING WAS CREATED EXCEPT THROUGH HIM. Heb 1:2 NLT And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his SON. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and THROUGH THE SON HE CREATED THE UNIVERSE. Col 1:17 NLT HE EXISTED before anything else, and HE HOLDS ALL CREATION together. 1 John 1:1-2 NLT We proclaim to you THE ONE WHO EXISTED FROM THE BEGINNING, whom we have HEARD AND SEEN. We SAW HIM with our own eyes and TOUCHED HIM with our own hands. He is the Word of life. 2 This one who is life itself was revealed to us, and we have seen him. And now we testify and proclaim to you that he is the one who is eternal life. HE WAS WITH THE FATHER and then he was revealed to us.

@@ojosdelagua If Jesus is Just a Man, Not God How come that WITHOUT JESUS there is NO CREATION?

Jesus is essentially God in human form or God in the flesh. Why formulate INC doctrine out of INComplete scripture reading? Read and understand the whole scripture and you will know Jesus co- existed with the Father before creation. Its a relationship with Jesus that grants sanctification and justification not a religion. Religion says do but Jesus said done. Period.

+Mepue Memes - Wrong Jesus is the son of God he was sent by God and was the first creation of the Almighty God. Collosians 1:15 ... and "The Father is greater than I am.” John 14:28. Also, please use a bible verse when you reply not just a hearsay on what you have heard from someone, I was like you before pick your bible and take the verse to defend your faith. Felix Manalo is an ordinary man and will never ever be a messenger and it is impossible for him to be an ANGEL as to what the INC is claiming (5th angel) ang dami nga nyang anak eh ibig sabihin nakikipag sex siya nung buhay pa siya ( no offense meant pero that is true ) at nabinyagan din siya sa RC ... kung sugo siya ng diyos at anghel sa simula pa lang alam nya purpose nya. hindi yung palipat lipat pa siya ng Religions.

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, Colossians 2:9 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28 (Thomas should be stoned for blasphemy if the INC is correct about Jesus not being God) but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Philippians 2:7-8 For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son today I have begotten you”? Or again “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”? And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God's angels worship him.” Of the angels he says, “He makes his angels winds, and his ministers a flame of fire.” But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.” And “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end.” And to which of the angels has he ever said, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”? Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation? Hebrews 5:13

@@matthewmanucci if Christ is not God, how could the Father be. A father and son must be equal in being to be called such.

The father if you reding isiaih care fully

you beed to compare that with other verse read this who is that mighty god? ephesian 4:5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

It's Simple Because God has Given Christ All the Authority to Judge on Us Human Which is then in the End We will be One with The Head of our Church which is Christ Jesus and That Jesus Will be Under God the Father. Reason why we choose that name it's because Christ Purchased his blood for us not God the Father The Father Only Gave Life But it is Jesus who Judges us in the End For he Has the authority in which the father gaved.

+Detective M but it's so simple to understand that Jesus is God. before Jesus died God had to respect the limitations of man, and when Jesus rose he did not have the limitations of man and showed that he is God. of course you will omit verses in the bible to show it. also you cannot say "we choose" BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T EXIST when the name was chosen. your canned response shows that you don't read the Bible and have it read to you. it's not about your church that will save you. Jesus is the only one that can save you so get off your high horse church and only claim that you are the one true church.

There is Always a Church it's group of people in which god purchased them thru his blood didn't you read acts 20:28? or your just blinded by this false doctrine trinity. didn't you read John 17:3 the Father is the only true god and that jesus christ whom he sent. ever read the revelation chapter it's speaks only of TWO throne Not THREE but TWO how in the world did your trinity doctrine fit on it. TWO THrones one for the lord our God and one for Lord our lamb Savior it's a Father and Son relationship and to think of your trinity they are one. we have TWO beings has two different wills Luke 22:42 and even jesus said it infront of the pharisees like you are he said at mark 14:62 he will be sitting at the right hand of the mighty one Right hand not on the center or the throne but on it's right. although i never be littled jesus for without him i would not be saved nor for the church i am now which he purchased by his blood Jesus Christ is important but if you asked me whom i shall praise i praised the father in which Jesus Christ teached whom shall we praise the Father which is the Only True God. you are lost my friend due to the false trinity doctrine you are listening at

and you didn't bother to read Reference to the Trinity 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; Isaiah 48:16-17 and Matthew 28:19, John 1:1, John 1:14, John 10:30... there's so many references don't go telling people are blind when they can read too. the problem with you and your church is that you take advantage of the poor and illiterate creating fear just like the catholics do and tell them that your church is the only way. lots of cults have already did that and people end up knowing that it's not true. so get off your high horse about jesus is not god and there's no trinity just because you fail to read the ENTIRE bible and what your INC tells you what to read. the only reason why INC exists is because they want money and power just like the catholic church, then when other christians challenge you because you are copying the same format you don't listen and tell people they are blind. felix manalo didn't even come up with this. it was his son who came up with this creating yet another division just to maintain power... as if there was power. you want to call people blind, then look at yourself. does jesus really want you to determine if he is god or not? don't you understand that jesus has to respect the limitations of man and then when he died and rose again he became fully god because he overcame death? so you can't say that jesus is not god. and today your leader, wow... he really spends a lot of time making that hair perfect. you really think that's what god wants him to do? have perfect hair, kicking out his own mother and brother out of your church? there's so much crap that your church is struggling through and you make this whole trinity a big deal as if everyone's life depended on it. all these titles and memberships and causing a rift with no real reason is so filipino. and you think that you are the only way to heaven. wow that's a lot of filipinos in heaven... oh boy. don't eat diniguan. even though jesus already said it's okay to eat whatever was created BY GOD. Mark 7:14-19. i won't say you are blind, you are just lost. lost in what your leaders are telling you. so go ahead and continue to act like a cult because that's the only way you will get members through fear. not fear of god, but fear from man. so go take another 4 weeks and ask your leaders what else to say.

To flipteezy: Give Me Just One Verse where it says the Throne of the Holy Spirit for in the Entire Bible it only says about the Throne of the Father and The Throne of the Lamb which is the Right hand of the Father the Entire Bible Says that the Father Sit at the throne and it's right is the son tell me if there is any verse you can find where it states that the holy spirit is in the left so it would complete your cult doctrine the trinity.. listen you are the one lost because your stupid trinity doctrine always comes to a reason "mystery" your reason always say that because man cannot level gods teaching that is why it's a mystery to have the trinity doctrine you are lost... god keeps saying he is the father and that he send this son jesus christ to teach the proper doctrine that his father is the only true god and as a son he too will inherit the authority of his father in which is given unto him time by time by the God the Father.

Jesus is worshiped for His omniscience (Revelation 5:12) which proves He is God.

The being of god is shared by 3 persons - father, son, and spirit

@@boiboi9888 no the only one god 😂😂😂

@@dondongervacio4920 so you're really saying Jesus is a liar. 🤦‍♂ John 10:30 Philippians 2:5-6

Your argument was very misleading and selective. There were different manuscripts regarding acts 20:28 such as, church of the lord or church of God. The Lamsa translation takes into account the more accurate manuscript, church of the lord ( as God does not have blood as he is a spirit which is in other verses) therefore the words used are “church of Christ” as Jesus has flesh and blood unlike God. If it was church of God it would create a contradiction in the bible therefore using this translation is more accurate. The Lamsa translation takes into account Jesus being made Lord by God which is also in another verse in the bible. It is then said that the lord referred in acts 20:28 is Lord Jesus Christ. I recommend you asking a minister in the church through our website (incmedja) if you are still not convinced.Having a one sided argument without hearing the other side is unfair and is very misleading. INC follows all doctrines written in the bible with no interpretation whatsoever, if you were to just listen with an open mind you may be filled with more understanding before coming to a conclusion like this.

+Ryley Collom If you are still looking for an atheist... "I'm your huckleberry." lol

Not lost baptis lost😂😂😂😂

There is nothing in the Bible which identifies Jesus as the one God. You have been deceived. There is only one God and therefore every mention of the one God in Scripture is a reference to his God.

you are very wrong on your statement i didnt say one God but God!

So he isn't the one God but another God?

you are the one thinking of it as another God i said God the apostles mentioned it that Christ is God!

what are you an iglesia ni cristo human founded in the philippines by Felix manalo and the rest of 19 founders!?

In the form of GOD , was used as an adjective meaning Jesus was Holy but he never thought he is equal with God cause he knows he is not God John 17:1-3

john 17:“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

That's a different time and event. Please broaden your critical thinking so that u can accept the truth.

I hope you did some research and not just leave a comment. 4 years is long enough to seek answer to your questions.

then why we know all things? why we can understand the bible?

INC will forever be heretics. They deny the Lord Jesus is God.

Yes, I had seen that debate but there is another debate where a J.W. took James White to school.

@@tabasco7915 send me the link if u have it. Thanks

@@sictoruno2345 I will find it and send it to you.

@@tabasco7915 cool. Thanks

@@sictoruno2345 After watching, tell me what you think.

No one said he is an angel???? He is a human. Where did you even get that

agreed. Dr James White would be awesome oponent. He is very clear when it comes to the Deity of Christ.

You are putting your assumptions to the mouth of Jesus

@@leumasnugas6222 John 10:30 "I and my father are one" is literally in the Bible.

@@professionalbiologist7108 One on what? read the entirety of the verses before that and you will know where they are ONE - ONE IN TAKING CARE OF THE FLOCK. 2-in-1 God? naahhh... it's only in your head - more so 3-in-1 (trinity) God... the holy spirit where in the Bible that it speak of itself as God? only in your head again. there's no TRINITY in the BIBLE - don't add nor subtract on what is written or your all days will be doomed.

really? then read this verse mark 10:18“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone. and then john 17:“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. did jesus say we are both gods?

​@@vincentlamech I Tim. 2:5 trinitarians always avoid this verse

You will never find a verse that says so.!

It's you who think liked that but don't you know that Jesus is important to us for he is our savior "the messiah" without him there will be no salvation but if you ask us who is the True One and Only God (It will be the Father) no doubt. There is a Difference between the word "God" and "Lord" try to see it in a dictionary

+Detective M that's a pretty weak defense.

At least not as weak as your mind does..

and then you realized that you're the one who is burning like hell.... and its too late. hahah!!

+Gio Alavarez matthew 28:18 and Jesus came and spake unto them saying all power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.... after he was resurected and ascended in heaven,, he say All power what is that power, in heaven and in earth...pls... proceed to revelation chapter 1:8 I am alpha and omega the beginning and the ending saith the lord which is and which was and which to come the almighty..... pls research kung sino ang all mighty na sinasabi dito The father or The Son..... ang tao ay hindi kailanman maging all mighty pero si Jesus sabi nang Biblia All mighty Only God is Allmighty pare after Jesus was resurected he Come back to his Thrown....as being God almighty.........

+Gio Alavarez I timothy 3:16 and without controversy great is the mystery of godliness. God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit seen of angels preached unto the GEntiles believed on in the world received up into the Glory.......maski ang mga aghel kita nila na ang Dyos ay nag katawang Tao.....sabi pa dito wITHOUT cONTROVERSY......SANA wala nang controversy na may misteryo sa pagkaDiyos ni kristo....sya ay nagkatawang Tao....hindi ba kaya nang Dyos na mag soklob nang katawan nang Tao.... ano ang pagka intindi mo nang All mighty walang kakayahan?????? tatanongin kita pare kung si Kristo ay Anak nang Dyos papa ano ang Diyos Manganak??????

+Lectoy Acuesta Si kristo ay Son of God diba???? ngayon papaano manganak ang Diyos?????nabuntis ba sya si Kristo ay galing sa langit Diba???? ngayon kaylan sya nahulog galing sa langit.... Dahil ang pag iisip nyo sya ay pinadala nang ama kaylan sya dumating na galing sya sa langit?????? Yon kasi LOgic lang ang ginagamit nYo.....

+Lectoy Acuesta John 17:3 says "they may know YOU" --SINGULAR NOT PLURAL. YOU, NOT us, we, u and me, me and u. When Jesus said YOU. He is referring to the Father as he begins on verse 1

+Lectoy Acuesta Was Jesus has VISIBLE/PHYSICAL existence b4 the WORLD BEGAN on John 17:5? "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was"[John 17:5] This verse DOES NOT PROVE OF CHRIST PRE-EXISTENCE neither does Christ claimto be God. For Christ in that very instance never included himself in the one true God, he speaks of no other God but the Father. "When Jesus had spoken these words, HE LIFTED UP HIS EYES TO HEAVEN AND SAID, FATHER, the hour has come; glorify thy Son that the Son may glorify thee...And this is eternal life, THAT THEY KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent."(John 17:1,3) TRINATARIANS disregarded John 17:1-3 in their understanding john 17:5. If having a glory b4 the WORLD BEGAN means PRE-EXISTENCE, then ordinary people would have pre-existed as well. "But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, WHICH GOD ORDAINED BEFORE THE WORLD UNTO OUR GLORY:" [1 Cor 2:7] "According as he hath CHOSEN US IN HIM BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, THAT WE SHOULD BE HOLY AND WITHOUT BLAME BEFORE HIM IN LOVE:" [Eph 1:4] God "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, WHICH GOD HATH BEFORE ORDAINED THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM." [Eph 2:10] "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, WHICH WAS GIVEN US IN CHRIST JESUS BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN," [2 Tim 1:9] "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, PROMISED BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN;" [Titus 1:2] This proves that God can choose to bestow glory to anyone even before their existence, This is the same thing that happens to Christ. God has given Him glory before the world begun to be the savior for man and not as God. "But with the precious blood of Christ as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you," [1 Pet 1:19-20] Jesus was given glory before the world was and it does not mean he pre-existed. CHOSEN PEOPLE ALSO HAD GLORY IN THE BEGINNING, [1 Cor 2:7] and they did not exist yet when the glory was bestowed to them. ---John 17:5 is a PROOF that Christ is NOT PREEXISTENCE or has a VISIBLE/PHYSICAL existence before the world began. If Christ is PREEXISTING with God(Father) before CREATION, there is NO NEED for Jesus Christ to CLAIM the GLORY he had with God(Father) BEFORE CREATION. For a PREEXISTING Christ would have STAYED GLORIFIED before creation til the time on John 17:5   --John 17:5 designates the MISSION fulfilled by our Lord Jesus Christ. Christ is claiming the GLORY because a PHYSICAL Christ fulfilled that MISSION which is bestowed to the MESSIAH/SAVIOR. That’s why Satan tempted Jesus thrice on the desert, For Satan knows that Jesus have the chance to FAIL. If Jesus give in to the TEMPTATION of Satan, The GLORY of the prophesied MESSIAH before the world began have NOT given to Jesus. But through all the TEMPTATION of Satan, Our Lord Jesus Christ CONTINUE on OBEYING the will of God and not the will of his own flesh nor the temptation of Satan.