The ppl who said ‘not trained on’ don’t understand the meaning , last run was 48 below his rpr , not training on means the 2 yr olds improve into 3 and catch you up & you don’t improve.
Was amazed by this horse's 2 year old performances and could not imagine him not winning everything at 3. His failure in the 2000 Guineas sent me looking for an alternative winner of the Derby. Bur every other contender had flaws, so I waited until the parade at Epsom. City of Troy was the outstanding presence, head and shoulders above the rest. Watching him stand there, like a professional athlete in the locker room, as his trainer stretched the horse's forelegs one by one, I felt sure he was back to his best. Aidan O'Brien had given the horse back his mojo.
Yes I used to think he was checking shoes for stones are anything. But City of Troy was so calm we saw exactly he was stretching his tendons and muscles. Like a horse physio and whisperer this AOB.
when he got beat in Guinee's his price flew out to 7/1 i lumped on then, especially when Aiden said he will stay no bother, cant believe people wrote this horse off after 1 flop, look at Auguste last year, mite have needed Guinee's run, jason big mouth weaver wrote the horse completly off, shows what he knows, mite get beat in eclipse back down in trip, but i think he will win st leger if he runs 14/1 looks juicy, 6/1 for breeders cup classic, 5/1 for Arc , but the way he pulled away in Derby i think he would win the leger easy ,mite take a chance with £100 at 14s
Congratulations to the genius Aidan O Brien and a brilliant ride from Ryan Moore the best jockey in the world , i m so pleased for the horse fulfilling his potential , personally I wouldn t like to see him racing on dirt .
@@tonyt50He couldnt pull him up. They said he hadnt trained on after the 2000 guineas then hes too small. I got to admit i worried how a justify would handle Epsom and the distance but Aidan never lost faith in the horse. Redemption for trainer and horse
They said Auguste Rodin was too small too. But he ran down giant King of Steele. An extra bit of size doesn't seem to matter... Troy just beat the Big Horse Los Angeles.
Everybody has an opinion.... but it will never be better than Aidans...... he's a master, a legend,.... just think about what he has achieved to date.... best ever already
Show any other stable that had sole access to the most successful sires off spring in galileo? how many juveniles a season doe he have with the best breeding? the likes of cecil/stoute would have done as good, if not better, with what he been given
Excellent run, nice piloting by Ryan, finding that line through to the front up the rail as he looked to be boxed in until coming round Tattenham Corner.
@@chuckemeade Not many these days. Our top racing is on dirt so we want dirt horse sires. If there are turf horse sires in our horses, it's back several generations, or they're there for Coolmore (Ireland) which has stud operations here, or for Godolphin, which trains a lot of their dirt horses here.
Disagree, yes he let COT get first run on him but he still had plenty of time if good enough, he was only about a length behind when he started pushing but was 3+ lengths behind at the finish.
@@villain-ek3yv i don't think Havlin seen Moore making g the run on City Of Troy as there was a couple of horses between them and that gave City Of Troy the momentum but when Havlin eventually seen him he still sat motionless meaning he had to make up more ground it was a disaster ride from Havlin and he must have forgot it was the Derby he was in and with so much horse under him ge should have went much much sooner given what was at stake.
He said listen: it was the best horse he ever trained or will ever train ever. I backed Voyage £10EW I was convinced after his debute he is the best son of Golden Horn and he is his spitting image. Let's not take anything away from City of Troy he won well barring all the superlatives and I don't mean to be repetitive he looks so much like his Grand sire Galileo. However in the Guineas he run in one of the hottest guineas for a while against some lovely beasts who made him look like a boy in the paddocks and apart from Voyage none of them stood out. Pity what happened to Hidden Law he would have given Voyage a race if Pat didn't fall off.
5/1 for Arc, but a juicy 14/1 for st leger and the way he pulled away in Derby he will def get the leger journey , think he mite get beat in Eclipse on sat though back down in trip
I’m not a quitter. But asking the question why two years running a fancied O’Brien horse runs badly in the 2,000 gns comes out and wins his next race easy and no question asked.
@@barrygifford3515 Aidan told everyone the reasons. He hadn’t enough work in him, he had a bit of a panic attack in the gates and came out elevated and never settled. People still didn’t believe him though. Like he doesn’t know his own horses?
The fact that the loose horse easily outran the field says more about the impact of the riders than it does about the actual talent of the horses. It's a rare occasion for a loose horse to cross the finish line first in thoroughbred races.
That loose was in front for a really long time really strange and was loose from the start to boot. Interesting to see if that happens a lot more at Epsom, but it was unique nevertheless, perhaps he was setting such a pace that they didn't need to go past but then again he was up there as well at racing speed. I have never seen that before in Flat racing, you would never ever see that in a Guineas for instance.
It's possible that loose one is very good or just remembers where the stables are after the last time he was there recently on the breakfast with the stars gallop, but he went flying around that corner way after the finishing line. It was really funny the way he disappeared on his own. Usually horses as herd animals wait for each other.
Wasnt from Rab Havlin..why oh why did he not go for it earlier when he was sitting with his hands full because my personal opinion us it would have been much closer
@user-gw3lp3lb1o Possibly would have been closer, but I think the result would have been the same. City Of Troy was going away at the finish. I'm not a fan of Havlin anyway he's a glorified work rider, in my opinion.
@@goodbyebluesky43 I think he forgot it was the Derby he was riding in and you can't make mistakes like that...the momentum City Of Troy had was always gonna be hard to peg back.
@user-gw3lp3lb1o Meanwhile Callum rides 2 thirds and a second at Lingfield. He should never have been jocked off in favour of Havlin.Pretty sure City of Troy would still have won but Callum deserved to keep the ride.
His sire, Justify, is the very recent but a little bit controversial US 3yo Triple Crown winner and has now become a pretty successful sire. Don't forget him as well and his stud fee would probably be further increased.
I think that ran a really good race. City of Troy got the run on him and the loose horse didn't help any. Not saying it wasn't a fair result but I don't think connections will be too afraid to take on the winner again.
@@marcusprice3199..He’ll never beat City of Troy over that trip because I think that’s what found him out. Cruising three furlongs out, but City of Troy galloped right to the line. Ambiente Friendly looks more of a French Derby type.
The race was over when the colt sliced through the field down the home straight! Then kept galloping around the bend after he won! COT is back! Congrats to AOB and team!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉.
sea the stars when he won the Arc dr Triophme, watch and reply - not taking anything away from today's win but stars was against alot of better horses on right handed track
I did see Dancing Brave win Arc was a brilliant horse, I just think sea the stars was against better - the joy of quality horses through the ages, difference of opinions keeps us all intrested
Remarkable? He is a great horse and won this very well but his 2 yr. old form was 8 - 10 lengths better than any other horse in this race, His breeding is far superior to any other horse in this race. This was not a strong derby. Ryan gave it a great ride and the way he used the loose horse to chase down and keep him genuine was class. The Remarkable thing was his odds.
Jesus that was unbelievable, the Irish horses really are a class above any others in the world right now.. I don't know maybe it's the grass /weed they munch on.
Let this be the ultimate lesson... Never!!! And I mean ever doubt Aidan Freakin O'brien!! The greatest trainer in history! At least 90% of the racing population and even 90% of all pundits got their fingers burnt😂
All the naysayers here on u tube are sick as parrots now. Never again will be available at 3.1 for the rest of his career. To us who kept the faith. Happy days. Brí g the wheel barrow down to the bookies!!
I had Luxembourg ylang ylang and city of Troy in a treble to very good money so I am just gutted, Ylang ylang was even backed all day but simply didn’t show
Wether Ihe is the best is debatable wen u think of the firepower they had over the years but I think he get further the couldn't pull him up he's all class
Think city of troy sire is an american horse some achievement cause churchill downs isnt on a camber which is like a sidewards hill ..could see the horse was all over the place
I had ten thousand each way at sixes pat Keating gave him to me two months ago working the house 🏠 down he said just sent him a crate of champagne and a thousand euros 😊
Now look I had stuck my head by saying that He will not stay the trip. In my last post. Now if u look at the way he finished weakening in the 2000 guineas. In the last 2 furlongs. One reason could be he had sugar more than what would keep his hydration fair. Now we don't know if they had given him water after the run to help him out. Given that bloodline to weaken that early in the 2000 guineas was a shocker. Mind u Ryan Moore did not work on him as he continued to weaken in the 2000 guineas run. Only shows Ryan is a ace jockey who knows when to work and when not to flog a dead horse.
Ambiente friendly would have won if they had let young Callum keep the ride. they stuck a jockey up with a poor strike rate in top class races over 30+ years and got exactly what they deserved...
@@bladerunner16 exactly havlin sat there and let Ryan Moore get the first run, he didn't even try to kick on until city of Troy had got to far in front. It's only my opinion but I believe if they had kept the jockey on who put all the work into the horse he would have won. Havlin was in a bad position all race and had to stand up numerous times during the race. Watch young callum ride and win the trial at lingfield and compare it to havlins ride.
Trainer said regarding the apparent improvement in form? I must have missed it. Ollie Cole immediately called in after Royal Scotman’s performance but Aiden O’ God. Double standards ! It was a shockingly bad Derby won by a decent horse. Let’s leave all, the superlative nonsense for later in the season.
I find it really odd how O'Brien trained horses show up with unbelievable runs one day and then flop the next. Churchill Downs required all horses to check in a week ahead of the Kentucky Derby this year. Perhaps other tracks should follow suit. Let's remove all doubts!!!
It was not a good look for him. Sure he had a handful of horse, but he should have been looking around for challengers. If he had seen City of Troy coming he could have taken his horse off the bit sooner. I still do not think he would have won, but it could possibly have been closer.
Something is not right here. Have they somehow got an odds on certainty out to 3/1. All that heart in the red zone crap.......the diagnosis was a bit too quick for my liking. It may well be true but how did he know so soon?
When I saw Obriens interview and the full explanation, I believed him. He said they took the horse back to Coolmore, and he did it again in the stalls a few more times. Apparently, it took a couple of weeks to sort the problem.
Well done greatest ever trainer just like last year got my holiday money if you had won the guineas at 4.6 we wouldn't get 5.1 ant post r 3.1 sp let's do it again next year
Calvin Borel would have buried them. When you see the replay, gaffalione had chances to duck back inside. He kept going wider & wider & lost the race. I had solid money on him
I read that Sierra Leone has been working out along the rail for the Belmont. This is very interesting to me, because he lugs in terribly. He may be a horse who needs to be steadied by the rail. I am really curious to see if he runs the rail in the Belmont. He might like having the rail.
Hmmmmm..... City of Troy does not look like a champion to me... good but not great, I'd say. Travelled well, but didn't fly. The riderless horse did well though. Shows the horses love it. One on the eye for the race saboteurs.
@@michaelmoynihan9591 I love people who think every Derby winner is a "great horse". Like, say, Harzand, Wings of Eagles, Masar, Anthony Van Dyke, Sadayar, perhaps? Let's see how City of Troy does on firmer ground, with luck we'll see some real turn of foot then, and can upgrade the evaluation.
City of Troy ran really well and Coolmore camp knew he was going to come around Tattenham corner flying with his feet going forward, but if he was 'Pegasus' he should have got past the loose horse doing 3/4 speed canter. Sea the Stars would have and Desert Crown would have been getting upsides. Very good Derby, but not a Vintage one.
Its irrelevant in our context but the best horses are trained to race and get to the front and nice ones like to be in front, look regardless of the jockey good ones will just take you there. It would have looked nicer because its the Derby and for media purposes that he overtake that loose horse, and Ryan himself would of. Unsung hero of the race was Declan Mcdonagh who rode an outstanding race on Euphoria came out set a good pace, rounded Tattenham well and got beautifully out of the way for City of Troy to overtake. It was a piece of art Coolmores tactics and looks good when it comes off. I'm partial to the loose horse I bet him E/W and nothing else. I think he is very good.
Mullins and Elliott over the Jumps, O Brien on the flat . Big race monopolies, flooding the entries, and giving nobody else a chance. Punters the losers too unless they are already loaded and can afford to lose, the person on the street has little chance as the big guns usually have multiple runners, and often the most fancied get beaten by the same yards other runners. Same with Football only a select few Rich owned Clubs ever win anything........😴😴😴😴
Trainer said regarding the apparent improvement in form? I must have missed it. Ollie Cole immediately called in after Royal Scotman’s performance but Aiden O’ God? Nope. Double standards ! It was a shockingly bad Derby won by a decent horse. Let’s leave all, the superlative nonsense for later in the season and perhaps reflect on the dreadful treatment of racehorses in Ireland at the end of their careers. A nation of happy cheerful fabultators with a dark heart. Ask Magnier what agony he put Montjeu through to collect the insurance money. The “Lads” - bunch of crooks.
This will probably turn out to be the worst Derby of all time it didn't look a strong race the proof is they were a bunch of non stayers but we will wait till the rains come out
@@captain007xhard to pull up? Is that why he was veering left n right and losing his legs? Jockey done brilliant to get him to win but he's a miler. Poor Derby son.
There has been a few poor winners mostly from Ballydoyle. Sea the Stars best horse I have seen. If he represents your value of a decent horse you set very very high standard.
How do you make that out if the 2nd and 3rd from last year are all Group 1 winners since? You just say things with little facts to back yourself up with.
