Remember That Fatalis Lore That Made The Monster Hunter Movie Canon? 

Damn time distortion, someone removed the coding for Deviljho eating his tail, that's the only explanation

The time and space distortions would explain why the monster hunter world sees a lot of collaborations I mean visitors from other worlds and don’t seem to bring it up that much because they forgot or are just null to these occurrences at this point (I mean in Rise at least we had sonic and tails appear in the shrine ruins during an event quest and we had to collect those rings so they could return home also kill a nargacuga because it looked like shadow or in the case of world where the most noteworthy examples are Geralt of Rivia and the behemoth)

Kind of reminds me of what they did with Dragon's Dogma and the parallel worlds, the rift, and the dragons. Wouldn't be surprised if Grigori and Fatalis crossed paths at some point lmao

Something else to remember: other parts of Fatalis's section may support this notion of it being an interdimensional traveler. It's noted to not possess Elder Dragon Blood, one of the few things Elder Dragons have in common, which may suggest it's not a native of the MH world since it lacks one of the defining biological traits that creatures of its basic structural build possess. Combined with the mystery behind how and why it's so powerful, this could hint to it being a wholly unnatural creature that hails from another dimension, though where it was a unique aberration even in its true home universe or not is another question entirely. Also, for those who hate the MH live-action movie, just remember that this only confirms that the film exists in the same multiverse, like the one the MCU is leaning heavily into now. Given the extreme and irreconcilable differences between the movie's version of the MH world and the main canonical game version, it's likely that it's a variant universe, one where there are similarities but also differences. Artemis didn't create a Bootstrap Paradox like she thought, but instead simply made a mistake about which universe she was in.

So the ancient civilization at Schrade experimented with something (either monsters powers or something else) found a way to tear holes in reality which is likely how fatalis actually got there and is why they stay in the area and now the entire world is affected by these distortions every so often.

Boy, this is very much convoluted for a game about fighting larger than life animals with big sticks

I simply refuse to except that movie as cannon for any reason, not happening, fatalis being from another dimension is cool but that movie my answer is No

When I first heard about this I had a particular thought about Safi'jiiva If I'm not misremembering, the Iceborne lorebook also states that Safi'jiiva would have been strong enough to rival Fatalis had we not stopped it(I can't remember the exact quote but it was something like that I think), so, considering how Monster Hunter is all about ecological balance and the like(with the final boss usually being a monster that defies such balance, hence why we have to stop it), I kinda had my own headcanon that maybe Safi'jiiva was the world's counterbalance to Fatalis, like how the body reacts to a disease, you know? Fatalis in this case is a completely foreign ecological threat, and because of that nature eventually creates a response to it, one that is equal on scale, and thus, balance is restored yet again But that's just my own theory EDIT:Minor spelling corrections

The idea of Fatalis being able to travel between time and space is amazing and would explain A LOT!!! You explained my thought very nicely But the fact that this is used to make the crappy movie canon makes me turn around my grave and i am not dead yet

I'll ignore the "movie being canon" part. But my ancient foe being able to travel to different worlds and timelines makes me realize something. This monster is dangerous. We must do the only necessary thing for all versions of him: He. Must. Be. Put. Down.

I imagine the White Fatalis would be an old Fatalis that has travelled to multiple timelines, along the way it caused time and space distortion which would explain the collaborations.

Remember when the worst thing in the series lore was the Equal Dragon Weapon? Oh wait: 7:13 🤣

Headcanon left and right... jesus....

I only remember that movie because I got the bois together irl to watch and review the movie, that experience was more memorable and enjoyable than the film itself 💀

Star Wars: And Stack Of These Cones. We can redcone this too

This should make the Witcher cannon with monster hunter because Ciri can travel between worlds as she is the lady of space time or something and with the fatalis proxy and time distortion in the unknown desert and Schrade this should work together to make both universes cannon with each other

Even though the MH Movie is bad, I do like the implication that there is a separate "Earth" world somehow connected to Monster Hunter because an ancient civilization did a no-no with space-time. Not just loosely connecting with a "real" world, but other fictional worlds, too, including Final Fantasy and The Witcher. With this FURTHER implication, many basic collaborations could be canon. It's more fun to think about than it is to rationalize, though.

Something I'd like some theories for is the Greater Rathalos. Like, could a natural variant occur? If so what conditions would let that happen?

Logically my brain says "sounds like they're trying to start to come up with why the games seem like they should be connected but also have weird differences, just slap a multiverse on it" but I'm gonna ignore that and focus on the idea of Fatalis being a dimension hopping dragon that just kinda does whatever and even when it loses it doesn't lose. Idk why but I love the idea of Fatalis being made more and more absurdly strong until we all realize it's just messing around/testing certain hunters/some other nonsense but will eventually get bored and destroy everything with a blink. But also being a fan of this series as long as I have been I don't actually trust Capcom to do anything deeply interesting with the world or story or lore. Between MH and resident evil I think Capcom just likes coming up with cool designs and everything else just sorta appears on their computers over night.

I remember the Dragalia Lost Monster Hunter collab, where Fatalis was the main online boss and the story implied that the Fatalis was just living in the world between worlds, causing havoc wherever and whenever a portal opened to another world.

Honestly, every time I think I feel like catching up on MH lore they just throw in another "what the fuck" kind of thing to keep me away.

Capcom has made an executive decision, but given that it's a stupid ass decision I am chosing to ignore it!

As a not-war-waging MH Lore enthusiast This is pure shit. I refuse to believe the movie is canon and all the ancient civilization space time crossing crap. I simply like Fatalis being a scary unearthly being just like it is but dear god make it stay IN realism, leave all the time and space. Also I think the part where Aiden says "this is where the past and present converge" is just wanked, he simply found himself in a place so legendary and ancient he couldn't believe it was real

So how plausible would the theory that there is only one fatalis, and the subspecies are just the same fatalis but from different timelines that managed to cross via timespace distortion? Really puts its namesake as the Fated Dragon into perspective.

No matter what people say to me, Monster Hunter The Movie is not canon (for me). I guess all of you that read this knows why...

I hate this... i really hate this... It just makes the lore of mh way more convoluted if we got things basically time traveling and people forgetting about it. I feel as if iceborne broke the lore heavily sense they said safi rivals fatalis, the fatalis we fight in iceborne was the first truly recorded kill of a fatalis and the alatreon records were burned even though A. Fatalis was known to be a ungodly cresture, beyond a monster and the hunters seen it as the most terrifying thing around so why would nature attempt to kill it when its already technically a single version of its kind or 2 if we count white fatalis B. Alatreons records were always a thing and a hunter in another village kill one so why would they be like 'no that doesnt exist' and C. In general... uncanonizing white and crimson almost but also say they're canon is just... what in the holiest of fucks. This shit is going a bit too far, and as i said, i blame iceborne for causing these changes to the lore and making it so much more fucking convoluted

"LIFE HAS MANY DOORS, ED-BOY"

The movie itself is pretty inoffensive towards all other canon in monster hunter, the only bad thing is it means the Admiral's hands smell like piss all the time.

Just because it's bad doesn't mean it's non-canon. I've told people this before and will keep telling them. (also I'm writing a fanfic on that lol)

That explains the cross over Armor sets like Leon s kenddey or the Witcher set or Ryu case they crossed worlds to the monster hunter world like the bemoth or the leshen cause the ancient civilization already fought these creatures.

I honestly forgot all about the Monster Hunter movie.

5:22 I swear if this makes every Frontier collab canon I'll be speechless.

Considering there is an ancient SnS that is described to show one's future if gazed into the shield's mirror

There's also the dragalia lost collab where they say Fatalis lives in the world between worlds or something and he came from a portal

that explains the new layered weapons

So metal gear peace walker is canon you say

Reminder that the moogle is also a someone who also appeared in the Wildspire 😉

It's a cool theory, but I have to disagree with it. For one, the movie makes it obvious that it's ancient tech causing the issue without a Fatalis around for miles. Aiden's quote is more waxing poetic than anything else, and the reason we don't remember Fatalis is because we never fought him before; remember, every time you start a new monster hunter game, you're a fresh faced rookie straight out the guild and all the NPCs around you are new as well, so they wouldn't have been at any previous events. Again, cool theory though.

I will never acknowledge that movie as canon.

It confirms more than just movie like collabs and marvel vs capcom 🤔 I think it’s more than just Time

What in the ever-living King Ghidorah bullshit is this

I just remembered it is actually implied xeno jiiva is an alien (btw safi in the books is designed by nature to be a rival to fatalis) to come from another world so maybe this is onto something

do we know when the official translation for the icebourne book is coming out?

Am I the only one who see's the Movie concept cool? I mean the potential is really something unique

Isn't it just an in-universe theory though? With how rare Fatalis is and how little is known about it, a researcher coming up with that theory isn't too crazy. People in universe believe elder dragons like Kushala to be gods, but that doesn't mean they are. Theres also Dire Miralis and Alatreon who are related to Fatalis, and not only that Dire Miralis and Fatalis are classified as "origin dragons" in the ED taxonomy tree, and are considered the common ancestor of all Elder Dragons. I doubt it's true unless Fatalis coming through a portal happened hundreds of millions of years ago.

Is it ok for me to omit this video, piece of lore, and the movie from my mind entirely? What if I head canon all of this out of the lore?

As someone who liked the monster aspects of the movie, I actually like this.

When will they release a translated version of the iceborne bool

Fatalis is a self fulfilling prophecy (hence the Fate in fatalis) and is also a paradox. Fatalis is stuck in a time loop and presents itself to be hunted and then dies, the hunter that wears the fatalis skin as armor becomes the very same fatalis himself to be stuck in the time loop only to be saved from the thousand year torture when murdered by his younger self when he was a hunter...for infinity.

Okay but can we just talk about the final scene of the Monster Hunter Movie? They're beleagured, wounded, and low on supplies, and they're going up against A GORE MAGALA. Huh-uh. Nope. THEY ARE SCREWED

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I see your point, but seeing that making the movie canon is a stupid ass decision i have elected to ignore it

Remember. Crimson and White Fatalis AREN'T canon. (They will be eventually though).

So the retcon of fatalis wasn't a retcon it just wasn't killed in world's world before fatalis is just a murderous worldhopping eldritch abomination that turns into whatever wears it's skin. I refuse to let my egg quest pain be non canon just because capcom decided randomly to add fatalis at the end of iceborne.

Monsters even travel in metal gear universe in one point

Guys do any of you remember evolve the game now imagine if Monster Hunter the people who own Monster Hunter and run it but the game and the rights to evolve keeping basically everything the same but having one of these convergence having a weird space and time distortion and taking creatures from the evolved Planet like say all of a sudden teleporting you like say a giant continent into somewhere middle of the ocean and then have some Hunters to investigate the island and then coming across Goliath and all the other evolve creatures but I can definitely see Monster Hunter monsters being able to handle them here and there I mean evolve Monsters weren't able to say going to the water or fly they could only float or hover and then burst in the air to go faster nothing involving flights there was flight it would be short-term and if it was the ability to swim you'll be short-term too so there's a limit to their evolution point but not to Evolution point for their bodies they can get bigger stronger more powerful just imagine them being exposed to dragon energy I can definitely see the Monster Hunter organization would want to study some of these creatures and the main reason for it to being an island a pretty big island though but an island because it will keep creatures from going to the mainland and vice versa on the stair because I can fly long distances and very quickly and swim very far and we would be able to get like new fighting animations that would be amazing and if the time and space distortion was strong enough it could possibly leave permanent portals here and there that wouldn't take you to your how the ground map it will take you to like another well planet but only like a medium and small creatures could fit you would consider small and let's say gormagala will be considered medium so we wouldn't have gigantic kaiju-size creatures like I can't remember the names like the lava snapping turtle dude that's literally a volcano on legs and the giant snake m*********** this would definitely make things more interesting and on the island you could have some areas that are a bit sort of cracked up like broken a bit but also other areas like flooded you give it to look like oh it really just came out of nowhere in order for to settle on to the ocean floor it had to crumble a bit in order to settle on the ground I'm not saying it's sinking I'm just saying it broke up a bit in order to be even on the ocean floor so it's a bit chaotic here and there let me seriously think about it double Joe that giant pickle fighting against Goliath the combined Godzilla King Kong alien version fighting each other

First they talk about do wyverian lay eggs to does deviljho really eat his tail to time travel/dimensions jumping what else is nexts? And I guess anything is possible look how behemoth and the witcher were able to cross into the Monster Hunter universe, so maybe it can happen. And the movie was just bad plot and story, should have been made by someone who knows monster hunter lore and making up crap just to make my wife the main character.

You know what other collaboration is (technically) canon? The FFXIV one. At the very least it's canon on FFXIV's side (in that multiple Rathalos and at least one Palico actually did appear in the Azim Steppe and now just exist on Etheirys), so it's possible that a Moogle, Behemoth, and an Aethyrite Shard did appear in the New World.

Wy did they feel the need to make everything Canon. Colabs do not feel like they should be.

So that's where Characters in Megaman X Dive gets their Armors, X and everyone else basically just Hunted them

I'm extremely late but really the only piece of info here that is canon is that Fatalis *_may_* come from another world, and even then that's just a suspicion raised in the Iceborne Dive Book cause everything about the creature seemed unnatural as well as the very little information known about it The Movie has basically nothing to do with this luckily

While I hate the movie I do enjoy the idea of interdimensional travel as a project of the ancient civilization being cannon (If it was any other world other than ours id've probably been ok with the movie)

This is also proof tha elder dragons at least their ancestors don't originate from that world because behemoth was classified as an elder dragon when you look up his information.

Me watching this after having played a few hours of MH4U and a few hours of MHW

Well i don't mind canonizing DLC/Collabs as long as it don't interfere with the story. Like i don't want to see a character in the future games, mentionning Geralt of Rivia. As long as nobody talk about it, it's fine, maybe they can put easter-eggs in a ramdom house or something with a painting. HOWEVER, it would be sick as hell this weird multiverse-shit could allow Frontier's or even Online's monsters to truly come back to the franchise. But truly canonized i mean into the MH lore. Overall i would like that aspect to be truly erased from everyones mind. YET if they insist on that aspect, then *go-on !* and bring back Online's monsters !

Is the ancient civilization really gone? Or did they leave this world for another

hey mr. X which mh game is your favourite?

so with the time distortions that means that eorzea is canonically part of the world of monster hunter

Could that mean that humans only exist in the monster hunter world because they got there from earth?

This would explain why Riders have yet to appear in the main series.

Gotcha the Capcom crossover portals are canon

That's cool and all but I will consider the world of Paul W S Anderson to be it's own world. There's our world, the game world and the movie world, where everyone is dumb and dies except his wife. And the whole multiverse also with the Witcher world, Metal Gear, Attack on Titan, Metroid and so on. All crossovers are real.

Pretty sure that doesnt make it "canon",that only make it "possible/plausible" for it to be,IF they want that horrid movie to be canon.

Legitimate question: How is it a "rough" translation when people who know Japanese also confirmed it? Wouldn't it just be, "translation"

So, our efforts againist Fatalis weren't cannon, now im mad.

So it's the warps fault not fatty

Gen 3 and Generations dont even exist in the same timeline because of the deserted island differences and the lack of moga village in Generations (and Ultimate).

maybe the humans in the monster hunter world arent native to that world either?

Imagine if we get a cyborg wyvern that came through one of the time space distortions in the next Monster Hunter game

Yes but, where is tje dragonator?

This is why me and other MH fans straight up regard Fatalis' lore as non-canon, this is some grade A fertilizer right there. -_-

No. There's is nothing in the world that would convince me that the live action movie was canon. The monsters, weapons, and characters in the movie are completely different than the ones in the game.

This is cool, but I'm pretty sure the Movie event quest also makes the movie canon🤔

I'm going to guess and say that since the tie-in quest was removed alongside some other quests, it's no longer canon. Especially because unlike the other removed quests, it's not a rights issue, because y'know, Capcom owns Monster Hunter. I think since the movie came out and caused....an international incident we shall say, that ended up directly affecting the games sales in certain places; yeah Capcom probably HAS the option to put the quest back in, but they won't.

What movie 🥲

Just , WHY ? . It's so difficult let the core of a different reality were people fight for balance whit the monsters, why use such a ridiculous thing, in ah Monster Hunter of all franchises . Just let the others stuff as non Canon sinanigans, they win nothing whit this , but to be on a very slippery slide, which can easily end horrible. WHY CAPCOM,WHY ?

Feels like they're just trying a bit too hard to make mh a multimedia franchise if they're heading towards direction of making the Anderson film canon. I don't mind the film with all its ghetto stuffs but it is pretty aggravating to see it and the whole space distortion bullshit being forced in the main lore with little to no backing or buildup. At this point anything can be isekaid to mh world and it'll be considered canon on a just cause basis, which is an entirely different can of worm but is equally stupid in my opinion considering it's an overly used concept these days. It would have been one thing if they made an original monster close to fatalis in terms of power actually show it being done in the film but the closest we got to this whole space rip is White Fatalis creating an eclipse and descending from it.

The Monster Hunter Movie can't possibly be canon due to the MH world they visit being completely wrong and not the MH we know.

If fatalis is from another world it would explain so much like why he seems so super natural in comparison to the rest of the cast

Would this make behemoth canon as well?

Nope cause I refused to watch that abomination.

I believe the Ancient Civilization MADE the monsters. Think about it: Kulu-ya-ku is just a Ressurected Terror Bird, Tigrex is a Prototype Wyvern, Yian Garuga is a prototype Rath, Aptonoth is a ressurrected dinosaur, Apceros is a ressurrected Ankylosaurus; all the signs are there that these beings were being DESIGNED, not

rip dragalia

Wait WTF?! So the fact that Big Boss worked with Trenya in MGSPW is actually canon? God damn, this shit is crazy